Kantai Collection ~Kancolle~ (Browser Game)

[kct]

Originally Posted by Kakurin-san

While adding a British BB might turn some guys around, others will still just point towards "oh, but you are fighting at Midway/Guadalcanal/Aleutians, so abyssal X must be USN ship X" I think. You never get to shut everybody up.

Well, at this point the noise is literally the equivalent of "Sieg Zeon!"

Spoiler:

Then again, Yuudachi Kai 2 was supposedly both a reference to the real ship and Stardust Memory.

On another note, I hated going to 3-5 more than a dozen times and getting either nothing, or error cats.



I'm never going to get 10 mochis at this rate.

[Verisimilitude]

I wouldn't mind seeing a bunch of British carriers in the game. Then we can have more armoured aircraft carriers besides Taihou.

[kct]

I'll personally be worried about British carriers, their planes are kind of...unremarkable.

(And no, no matter how miraculous Fairey Swordfishes are, it's role will be reduced.)

[Ithekro]

The Royal Naval Air Arm was sort of the ugly stepchild of the British military air groups. The money went to the Royal Air Force, Bomber Command, and Coastal Command. Aircraft carriers? Why do we need those bloody things.

The armored flight decks were to protect what little the Royal Navy could get. The designs were not all that good due to technical limitations and space issues. While the armor might do some good, the American flight decks were notorious for getting back into action after being hit. Only with the supercarriers and jets do the Americans go for armored flight decks out of necessity. The deck needs to be that strong for the jets and the size of the decks.

[demino_hellsin]

If we expand the armored carrier suite. What would be the disadvantage of running them to standard carriers? I imagine all armored carriers would be able to launch even at chuuha.

[chaosprophet]

Originally Posted by demino_hellsin

If we expand the armored carrier suite. What would be the disadvantage of running them to standard carriers? I imagine all armored carriers would be able to launch even at chuuha.

Maybe other ones, different from Taihou, have a low plane count for a CV. That way you trade number of planes for better in other stats and ability to attack even with moderate. Another possibility is keeping them as good as Taihou but also being ship-girls that after the event you can only get with a small chance with LSC. Or having them with a resource cost quite larger than normal fleet carriers (maybe Shinano's case?)

[cloud04]

Originally Posted by chaosprophet

Maybe other ones, different from Taihou, have a low plane count for a CV. That way you trade number of planes for better in other stats and ability to attack even with moderate. Another possibility is keeping them as good as Taihou but also being ship-girls that after the event you can only get with a small chance with LSC. Or having them with a resource cost quite larger than normal fleet carriers (maybe Shinano's case?)

a cv that eats like yamato in terms of baux? lol rip baux

[demino_hellsin]

As of now, what do you guys favor running when it comes to standard sortie?? CV, CVL or CAV? MAYBE BBV?

[Ithekro]

Shinano is huge, but has relatively small hanger space for a Japanese carrier (only one hanger deck as oppose to the usual two). She wasn't designed as a fleet carrier. She was designed as an armored support carrier. She would carry her own small air group, and have massive reserves of fuel and perhaps armaments for other planes, (and depending on mission as reserve planes for the fleet carriers) but she would intentionally be the armored extender of First Carrier Division's Air Wings range. Put Shinano with escorts out in range of the American fleet and the rest of the carriers well out of range, and the Japanese could use Shinano as a fuel stop.

British carriers have small hanger space at first, then get larger over time, but never quite as large as the American fleet carriers.

[Xero8420]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Shinano is huge, but has relatively small hanger space for a Japanese carrier (only one hanger deck as oppose to the usual two). She wasn't designed as a fleet carrier. She was designed as an armored support carrier. She would carry her own small air group, and have massive reserves of fuel and perhaps armaments for other planes, (and depending on mission as reserve planes for the fleet carriers) but she would intentionally be the armored extender of First Carrier Division's Air Wings range. Put Shinano with escorts out in range of the American fleet and the rest of the carriers well out of range, and the Japanese could use Shinano as a fuel stop.

British carriers have small hanger space at first, then get larger over time, but never quite as large as the American fleet carriers.

It's strange that Shinano was classified as a supercarrier based on the size.

It seems like you folks were talking about foreign ships coming here. I personally wouldn't mind any ships from anywhere. However, it might lead to the WOWS fiasco, especially if RU ships are among them. But I don't expect which comes first. :x

Perhaps I'll be looking forward to BC classes.

[chaosprophet]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Shinano is huge, but has relatively small hanger space for a Japanese carrier (only one hanger deck as oppose to the usual two). She wasn't designed as a fleet carrier. She was designed as an armored support carrier. She would carry her own small air group, and have massive reserves of fuel and perhaps armaments for other planes, (and depending on mission as reserve planes for the fleet carriers) but she would intentionally be the armored extender of First Carrier Division's Air Wings range. Put Shinano with escorts out in range of the American fleet and the rest of the carriers well out of range, and the Japanese could use Shinano as a fuel stop.

But then Taihou also had relatively less than Kaga and Akagi. But with her kai she does get in the game an amount similar to them. It's possible Shinano also get a good number of planes after her kai.

[Ithekro]

Taihou was built as a carrier and had two hanger decks. She was based on the Shoukaku-class. So she was as big as a fleet carrier, just armored, which restricts space a little.

Shinano was a conversion from a partially built Yamato-class battleship into an armored carrier. Shinano is huge just by being built on a Yamato-class hull.

[cloud04]

btw question, what did you guys use for 6-1 for the quest? full subs or w/ the taigei?

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by chaosprophet

For the game it doesn't matter. More than a million admirals, with many copies of each ship girl.

Browser games like this one usually want you to ignore the existance of the majority of other players for the sake of the story.
Take those post apocalyptical PvP Base builders as example - If there were millions of bases around you, reforming civilisation wouldn't be as hard as the story wants you to believe.

As for the ships - A base amount of logic should still remain, and the likelyhood of any power giving another country its entire navy when the abyssals are a world wide problem is even further from any reality than ships being reborn as cute girls.
I can see how Germany might want to get rid of theirs, but other foreign powers - USA maybe if the base was right in between the two countries.

Originally Posted by chaosprophet

The anime don't need to show every that gets in the game, and even then they can always show foreigners as just passing by. Plus maybe in a later season we could see a worldwide mission with ship girls from everywhere to take down a main abyssal base or something. Or just a few selected individuals helping Japanese forces in a mission that benefits all the involved countries.

I really hope that there will be a second season, though with all the mistakes Klashikari pointed out until now (teleporting ship girls, vanishing ship girls ect) I'm not too sure that it will make a second season :/.

[chaosprophet]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Taihou was built as a carrier and had two hanger decks. She was based on the Shoukaku-class. So she was as big as a fleet carrier, just armored, which restricts space a little.

Shinano was a conversion from a partially built Yamato-class battleship into an armored carrier. Shinano is huge just by being built on a Yamato-class hull.

My point is that while the game follows the actual specs of the ships a lot, it don't need to do that every time, specially when it comes to the remodels of ships that never got one in actual history. Shinano, for example, could be a weaker unit at the start, reflecting the fact that she was launched while still incomplete, and may become a much better unit at kai.

[Ithekro]

Perhaps better in other ways. She could easily allow other carrier to strike without being struck in return, Plus she really was heavily armored and corrected some of the flaws in Taiho's design. Problem being that she wasn't finished yet, has yard workers on board, and no real damage control people in the chain of command to get people to do things. Even though nothing could really be done since she wasn't finished.

[Verisimilitude]

Yeah I'd say for armoured carriers they should have reduced air groups; the Illustrious-class only carried 57 planes even when they used a deck park. Implacable and Indefatigable could carry 81 though.

[msg]

Talking about Shinano, I would love to see her first as a battleship then as an aircraft carrier in kancolle.I know i'm not alone wanting this... but knowing the Devs she's most likely an aircraft carrier first.
Akagi and Kaga as Battleships would also be cool too...

[Myssa Rei]

We have a single armored carrier in the game so far, so we can probably look at Taihou's case and go from there.

Pro: Can still launch planes even at medium damage, Highest armor value of ANY carrier.
Cons: Lowest base and max Evasion even when remodeled, low LOS score, highest Fuel consumption of any carrier.

[Ithekro]

Be fun if Shinano can turn as tightly as Yamato.