2009-01-19, 18:18 | Link #8301 | |
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IIRC, he even said that he will help him and that lelouch should continue to lie (not sure that he said that, I ca,'t remember). The plan failed not because of lelouch (even if he lied again and it was not necessary) but because of schneizel/Kanon. |
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2009-01-20, 04:24 | Link #8302 |
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LOL, you make me it sound like the homopairing is what Lelouch and Suzaku fought over. XDDDD
Jokes aside, yes, I was under the very same impression, that Suzaku had understood that Lelouch was lying... and that's why I was a bit confused by his apparently firm resolution of killing Lelouch in ep.21 |
2009-01-20, 04:45 | Link #8303 | |
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2009-01-20, 06:03 | Link #8304 |
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I think it's again more a problem of very bad writing of those episodes (ep.21 was, leaving aside the part in wich Lelouch speaks about Nunnaly with his parents, quite a pain in the ass), but you know, I find your revengefull-ADD-Suzaku quite amusing for some reasons =P
Anyway, yes, even if he geassed her unintentionally, even if he lied about that, Lelouch is still the one that shot down Euphie. I'm confident Suzaku understood to a degree that there was more than Lelouch's lie about it, and silently made up with him during ZR, but still, Euphie is dead by the hands of Lelouch and this will never change. |
2009-01-20, 10:06 | Link #8305 | |
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Maybe suzaku would have been even more mad at Lelouch if he learned the truth ealier in the show XD. Seriously, this was not a joke. Lelouch said that out of vanity, which makes the whole mistake even more inexcusable. I can finally provide the dialogue. Euphie: "did you really think I would shoot you if you threatened me, Lelouch?" Lelouch: "No, I didn't. If I really want to give an order, none can disobey me. Shoot me, fire suzaku, I could ask you to do anything. " Euphie: "You're such a jokester." Lelouch: "I'm serious. Even if I were to say 'Kill all the Japanese" you would have no choice, and would do it." |
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2009-01-20, 10:14 | Link #8306 |
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Yeah, true that...
In a way, I pity Lelouch. Despite his power, he's oftenly being the pawn of several things, not last a remarkably bad luck. ^^; there's that Shakespear's Romeo line I can't provide in english without browsing google that sounds like 'I'm the puppet of fate' that although sounding quite horrible in my crappy instant translation suits him quite a bit. |
2009-01-20, 10:27 | Link #8307 | |
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Geass doesn't exist in real life, but obtaining great power like becoming the leader of a country can make people do the same mistake. They feel so powerful that they forget that power is dangerous. You mean the "I am fortune's fool" romeo's line (in english), I think. |
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2009-01-20, 11:06 | Link #8308 |
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yeah, this is one of the things I liked the most about his character: spectacular spectacular and with an absolute power, and still a boy with all his human limits like pride, vanity and such...
wait.. wasn't this the Suzaku topic? XD;;; yes, that's the line..and it sounds so much better than the one I provided XD |
2009-01-20, 14:32 | Link #8309 |
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At the same time though, Euphie was still all "Oh you're just joking!" To which Lelouch was like "No, I'm serious", and felt the need to give a more extreme example of what his power was capable of. It's just too bad that it activated at the worst possible moment. Besides, when it happened, he tried to stop her.
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2009-01-20, 22:14 | Link #8310 | |
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His intention was to have her shoot him with a stun gun in front of a crowd of witnesses or did you forget? Lelouch is guilty period. If there's anyone who didn't take it seriously it was him for him to make a joke like that. |
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2009-01-20, 22:36 | Link #8311 | |
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2009-01-20, 23:43 | Link #8312 |
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No. But that sure as hell does make him accountable for it regardless of how many excuses fans put up for him. And yes him saying "You know I have the power to command you to do whatever I say like kill the Japanese" now who the hell jokes about genocide in that situation? And if by abstained you mean clean up after is own himself, then yes.
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2009-01-21, 02:08 | Link #8313 | |
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2009-01-23, 15:24 | Link #8316 | |
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Lelouch and Suzaku share a lot of similitudes despite their different vision of how to change the world (before the ZR) |
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2009-01-23, 19:09 | Link #8317 | |
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2009-01-23, 19:36 | Link #8318 | |
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I'm not sure what you're referring to here, so I'll respond as best as possible. The first time, when Lelouch had just killed Euphy, yes that holds true. It does not the second and third times, where Lelouch is asking for help and saving the world, respectively.
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2009-01-24, 08:24 | Link #8320 |
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Well, Suzaku is certainly not very subtle most of the time... and pretty messed up.
But that's part of why I like him so much. And then there's the fact that his nemesis was Lelouch, of all people. I don't see any point in trying to excuse either of them, but I doubt that Suzaku would have reacted the same way if some random terrorist had been Euphie's murderer - and not his best friend. Neither of them acted very rational after their meeting at the shrine, and people can start throwing things at them for that if they want to... but I'd prefer to hug them.
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