Mahouka Koukou no Rettousei - generic discussion thread (NO SPOILERS)

[Sheba]

I think it's more because there are other selling points other than this.

[Tenzen12]

Well there are only two selling point Magic and Incest (maybe politics in future) and magic didn't get enough exposition yet. So I don't see how it justify hypocrisy.

[kenshinstyle]

I can already see why miyuki is so attached to her brother. Its probably something along the lines of tatsuya sacrificing his lifeforce or spiritual energy or something to save miyuki in the past and thus tatsuya is kind of nerfed now. Basically the same as tsukihime.

[Taiku]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Well there are only two selling point Magic and Incest (maybe politics in future) and magic didn't get enough exposition yet. So I don't see how it justify hypocrisy

If you really want to know the reason behind Mahouka's popularity, go read its novels.
Something like 'incest' is hardly its major selling point.

About selling points for anime-only viewers (other than the so-called 'incest' and magic):
From what I've seen after visiting various forums, some got hooked by the uniform and others are interested in the mystery and secret that has been hinted in the first episode. Then there are people who have high expectations of Tatsuya, and many people really liked the fighting scene and animation.
There are also some viewers who liked the combination of 'magic + science'.

[Tenzen12]

Well if you tell me that manga is screwed adaptation that doesn't have a even fragment of merit that novel has I can think about that and I promise I will, otherwise I don't see anythyng but SAO-esque fanboying.

[Kakurin]

After a single episode I don't think Mahouka warrants an "incest" tag. First of all, semantically "incest" is not fitting, as that word specifically refers to sexual activitiy and not sole feelings of love between siblings. But semantics aside, from what I can see in the first episode what Miyuki has isn't really love, even for a middle school / high school anime character. It rather looks like the feelings a young girl has, when she goes "I want to marry daddy!". Admiration and childish infatuation, not really romantic love. Well, let's see how this'll continue.

[zztop]

What does everyone here think of the Rising Hope OP? Love it or hate it?

Personally I like the guitar riff very much, and I'd put it as my favourite together with Wounded Innocence from Akuma no Riddle(Devil's Riddle).

[Faerie]

Originally Posted by Tenzen12

Well there are only two selling point Magic and Incest (maybe politics in future) and magic didn't get enough exposition yet. So I don't see how it justify hypocrisy (not mentioned show in question is Koiuta which also had other selling points, or to be exact where whole that ship was actualy out of focus.)

Well, let me explain how I see it: otaku/fujo-wank bro/siscon relationships of recent times (and their fandom equivalents a la wincest and most slash-y tumblr style material) do not interest me. Neither do idealised girls in general, wish fulfilment characters and all that goodness. So naturally, when that shows up, I would complain about it.
Although, ofc, if you happen to be into that, more power to you!

But if it's a well- written, well fleshed out pair of characters with good reason to feel that kind of affection or have that kind of relationship, then I'm fine with it- in fact, I am interested. I'm talking the likes of Angel Sanctuary, possibly Utena/ Penguindrum or rather serious portrayals of the topic in general here.
In other words, as long as it's compellingly written and not played for fanservice, it is fine with me.

This may or may not be a reason why other people also seem more ok with it here, but in either case, that is my reasoning for why I don't mind it (so far).

[Arya]

Originally Posted by The Green One

It's impressive how much conversation a single episode has generated. That's hype for you eh?

I was thinking just the same.

I re-watched the episode and apart having finally caught the name of that final girl the episode ended with, Mari (looking forward to her, or is she some minor character? the episode ended with her facing Tatsuya, hiding completely the council president), definitely the council president has to know something about Tatsuya. I mean, she approached him even if he was a weed, did she pretend to not know who he was? And she is apparently the only one bloom student that has not embraced this discrimination system/feeling. She approached him first and later said out laud she wanted to have a long talk with him. This or it's just MC male inner power

Anyways, definitely the episode had a slightly harem-ish presentation. I mean, Imouto, megane, tomboy, council president and probably the tsundere (Mari?). Oh, and the loli teacher. I'm not saying that it is, just that we started with the full set.

Spoiler for Comparison to Koiuta:

@Tenzen12: for me the difference between Mahouka and Koiuta is that this show started strongly with this kind of settings from the very beginning, instead Koiuta has never been really clear about it until later episodes. It also portrayed very solid family bonds that led viewers thinking otherwise, so to them (and partially even me) seemed like a curveball. It's just that.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Arya

Anyways, definitely the episode had a slightly harem-ish presentation. I mean, Imouto, megane, tomboy, council president and probably the tsundere (Mari?). Oh, and the loli teacher. I'm not saying that it is, just that we started with the full set.

On the other hand, how many harem shows have the full set of members appearing right away in episode one?

But damn, the second episode hasn't aired yet and we are already on page 50?

[Arya]

Originally Posted by SigUp

On the other hand, how many harem shows have the full set of members appearing right away in episode one?

But damn, the second episode hasn't aired yet and we are already on page 50?

Too much for me, I don't know if I'll be able to keep track of it. By the way, my Jedi senses are telling me that probably a sub-forum is coming.

[Faerie]

Originally Posted by Arya

Too much for me, I don't know if I'll be able to keep track of it. By the way, my Jedi senses are telling me that probably a sub-forum is coming.

These 50 pages go months back though, since around the time it was announced. They are not from the first episode alone.

Edit. @Ultragunner: I think people are a bit more cautious these days because they were burned or bored out of their minds by hyped shows, strung along by promises or hopes of "it gets better later, it just takes a while to get there"

[Apache Thunder]

Yes, I vote for a sub-forum. A 50 page thread is a good indicator that this show needs one... :P

[solhaz]

I'm actually interested in this series after reading the manga and then I proceed to read LN. I think the story really start to get interesting and deeper from around vol 3-4 ^-^ I like the world setting and the mystery in it.

Maybe it's because I read and watch Game of Thrones (which got real Incest there), to say Tatsuya n Miyuki relationship as incest is such a joke.

[Quol]

I wonder if even reading will do anything, if you go into something thinking "Im going to hate this" then there is a really good chance you will hate it, even if under different situations you would have loved it.

Also i'm pretty sure having a Kirito and Tatsuya discussion here is an obvious break in the rules, in addition to being inaccurate, since there is no mention to Tatsuya being a "wish fulfillment character" in any way (closest is the 5 min martial arts scene which in my opinion isnt enough to make that connection)

[Dengar]

Not sure what type of wish fulfilment Tatsuya really is. But for now he is the badass underdog.

[Forbin]

Originally Posted by Dengar

Not sure what type of wish fulfilment Tatsuya really is. But for now he is the badass underdog.

No he isn't. Right now he's just a guy who is taller than his sister.
That's all we know about episode 1.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by Forbin

No he isn't. Right now he's just a guy who is taller than his sister.
That's all we know about episode 1.

And that he's good at reading activation sequences, has topped the theoretical score in the entrance exam and is good at martial arts.

[justinstrife]

Originally Posted by SigUp

And that he's good at reading activation sequences, has topped the theoretical score in the entrance exam and is good at martial arts.

He is also better at reading situations than anyone we have been shown so far.

[rladls716]

Yes, the situation in the first episode, Bloom vs Weed Miyuki could not foresee what is going to happen, Tatsuya already realizes that Mari and Mayumi would show up.
Not even Miyuki reading situations is better than Tatsuya does.
These kinds of feat are rare and ideal for some people.