Character Discussion - Kallen

[reaper_unique]

Originally Posted by Narona

While he promised himself to not do that IIRC. >_> Je ne suis aussi confiante que toi

Et pour domenech, c'est un idiot notoire -_________-

indeed I thought Nunnally was the one person he would never lie to

I don't see anything wrong with the C.C lulu moment in this episode....just some comforting and nice words. And did I see that wrong or did C.C make a weird smile?

[dec4rhapsody]

Originally Posted by roon

Ai shiteru (愛してる) is also used for family and people extremely close. Kind of like, the difference between j'aime and j'adore...

Making a short, very short list of examples where the term of "ai" was used in the Animangaverse....(I can't remember much...)

1. In Sailor Stars, Mamoru said "Aishiteru" to Usagi when giving her the ring~
2. In Gundam Wing, Noin, when asked by Relena if she liked (suki) her brother Zechs, simply replied "Hai, aishiteimasu" ます形
3. During several hentai scenes of Tsuki no Hikari, Taiyou no Kage, a N18 otome game.
4. When Oshihito from Harukanaru Toki no Naka de 4 was dying after using his cursed Katana, he confessed "Aishiteita"(past tense) to Chihiro.


Strange that before Lelouch saying that to Nunnally, I never knew that Aishiteru could be used between siblings, there was even a fan-manga cracking about this, with Nunnally scorning "How could you say that to your own sister?!" .

[Narona]

Originally Posted by roon

Well, it's unusual and pretty strange since it's more commonly used in a romantic sense, but some people like to cross that boundary. It's as if to make a statement about how profound their love is...

I mean, really, siblings in anime/manga say 愛してる to each other so often that I just dismiss it now.

Not that I don't trust you but some people were clear many times about this, like in this post: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...es#post1889209

So can you give us some examples?

[pilipok]

Originally Posted by Sinn

Just some usual comfort scene Wow now I'm starting to hate C.C fans.

sorry if i offended any1 .. dun hate C.Cfans..
probably the bgm make it more lovely than normal to me

[Narona]

Originally Posted by dec4rhapsody

Strange that before Lelouch saying that to Nunnally, I never knew that Aishiteru could be used between siblings, there was even a fan-manga cracking about this, with Nunnally scowling "How could you say that to your own sister?!" .

As I said it, some people said that it's between spouses and lovers, even cupahe IIRC.

[dec4rhapsody]

Originally Posted by Narona

As I said it, some people said that it's between spouses and lovers, even cupahe IIRC.

And you have to be VERY close, since most Animanga couples are dismissed with "Suki da" or "Daisuki".

[Sinn]

Originally Posted by pilipok

sorry if i offended any1 .. dun hate C.Cfans..
probably the bgm make it more lovely than normal to me

Yeah thats a really nice bgm actually,it seems like any girl being with Lelouch had their personal BGM, I think.

[Tokkan]

It's Innocent Days. I associate that song with death and seperation, because of how sad it sounds and how it was used for Euphy's death.

[roon]

Originally Posted by Narona

As I said it, some people said that it's between spouses and lovers, even cupahe IIRC.

Off the top of my head, in Full Metal Alchemist, Scar used it when talking about his brother. It's 5:30am, so I'll try to think of other examples once I get some sleep...

Just to note, even between spouses and lovers, it can be really weird. (lol, yes, I'm contradicting myself, but I -did- say that it was strange!)

When I studied the term, my Japanese friends told me that they'd cringe whenever they heard it. Thus, 'suki' and 'daisuki' are used more often than 'aishiteru'. And even then, the degree of 'suki' (like vs. love vs. really love) is all about context.

[kir44n]

Well, something to remember is that Japanese is a very regional language too, sorta similar to German in that respect. In some dialects certain terms have slightly different meanings or connotations depending on the speaker. So I suppose it depends on which lens through which is the term Aishiteru being spoken/observed?

[roon]

Heh, no worries Narona. I can't blame you since the internet is filled with lots of wrong information...

Anyway, back on topic!

I'm hoping for some extreme Kallen badassery next episode. If she manages to confront Lelouch, there's gotta be some epic screentime in store for her!

(edit: heh, my 100th post and it's in the Kallen thread. Go figure! *waves support flag*)

[Narona]

Originally Posted by roon

Heh, no worries Narona. I can't blame you since the internet is filled with lots of wrong information...

Anyway, back on topic!

I'm hoping for some extreme Kallen badassery next episode. If she manages to confront Lelouch, there's gotta be some epic screentime in store for her!

Don' get me wrong too! I'm a pro CxL fan and I would prefer if aishiteru was not used for intense love. That's why i fear kallen's gum line so much

And I could be wrong and my message wa snot nice, that's why I deleted it for now

[dec4rhapsody]

Originally Posted by Narona

Don' get me wrong too! I'm a pro CxL fan and I would prefer if aishiteru was not used for intense love. That's why i fear kallen's gum line so much

And I could be wrong and my message wa snot nice, that's why I deleted it for now

I've found a blog entry about the Japanese usage of Aishiteru~
http://blog.livedoor.jp/fairypot/archives/51359903.html

I'll try to translate a little bit~

・スキはloveの意味もあるんだよ。アイシテルは妻や子供みたいに唯一無二の大事なものに使う。

It says that Suki already contains the meaning of romantic love, and Aishiteru should be used for the one and only important person, it could be your wife(spouse), your child etc.

[bladeofdarkness]

did you notice that when gino told kallen he understands how she feels after she asks him if he's ok with fighting aginst britannia
she gives this look like she wasnt thinking about her being half japanese and have britannian
but rather that her feelings of being unsure about her place in all of this was about something else

[sandykins]

It's actually refreshing to see Kallen turn against Lelouch despite harboring romantic feelings for him. She's putting her "ideals" or what she believes to be her duty (to stop him) over her feelings and opposing the very one she loves because she thinks he's going down the wrong path (as expected of a soldier in a war).

Of course, she's not really aware of Lelouch's true intentions having been left out of his plan, so it's only normal to see her react that way. She'll probably learn about them at some crucial decisive moment next turn.

[pilipok]

hmm somehw i think between kallen and lelouch the thin thread of connection or fate that hold them together is been broken even since 22
where after kallen kissed lelouch and walk away
where lelouch jus say sayonara and no reply from kallen[ either too soft or wat ]
similiarly when zero lied abt kallen being his elite pawn
kallen said sayonara to lelouch leaving him to die
btw sayonara is for serious goodbye . long term kind like a fullstop at the end of a sentence
unlike ja nna or ja mata..

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by pilipok

btw sayonara is for serious goodbye . long term kind like a fullstop at the end of a sentence
unlike ja nna or ja mata..

Well, mata ne or Ja ne literally means "see you again", whereas "saraba" or "Sayonara are more closer to "farewell" as such. Though those doesn't necressarilly imply eternal separation as such either - even saraba or sayonara can be used in surpisingly normal situations as well

[lovecakecookies]

Way to go Taniguchi, there is going to be soo much Kallen hate now..."OMG she is trying to kill Lulu"...sigh... I really dont know where they are taking her character.. I kinda don't want her to just suddenly decide to side with Lulu either.. it would be too random, considering her actions now...I guess her "essential role" is really try to kill Lulu...

[prototype_sky]

Originally Posted by lovecakecookies

Way to go Taniguchi, there is going to be soo much Kallen hate now..."OMG she is trying to kill Lulu"...sigh... I really dont know where they are taking her character.. I kinda don't want her to just suddenly decide to side with Lulu either.. it would be too random, considering her actions now...I guess her "essential role" is really try to kill Lulu...

Judging from this thread seems like there is more Lulu hate

[kenshinkid]

I'm rly lookin forward to Lelouch pissing his pants off and saying I love you to Kallen only to have Kallen deliver her gum line