[Spoilers] Difference between Hinata and Sakura?

[neodrag38]

Originally Posted by AkatsukisApprentice

Have we ever seen Sakura fight her way out of trouble or not needed the help of either Sasuke or Naruto

Well, that comment is a bit wrong. She also needed the help of Lee, the InoShikaCho trio, etc.

Hopefully Sakura will stop being so damn defenseless.

[Shaoran]

I get the distinct feeling that Sakura will be needing the support of team mates more often than not. She never did strike me as a combat specialist, and from what we've seen in the latest chapters of the manga, her abilities lie in a different area.

Spoiler:

Being trained under Tsunade, I assume that her main role will be combat/medical support on a team. I can't imagine her operating by herself without getting into a world of trouble. This role would suit her better, considering she always worries about her team mates, especially Sasuke, first and foremost.

[neodrag38]

Originally Posted by Shaoran

I get the distinct feeling that Sakura will be needing the support of team mates more often than not. She never did strike me as a combat specialist, and from what we've seen in the latest chapters of the manga, her abilities lie in a different area.

Spoiler:

Being trained under Tsunade, I assume that her main role will be combat/medical support on a team. I can't imagine her operating by herself without getting into a world of trouble. This role would suit her better, considering she always worries about her team mates, especially Sasuke, first and foremost.

That's a good observation I can agree with.

But

Spoiler:

I wonder if Sakura would be able to even to summon a large size slug, not the largest of the all the slug summons but something pretty big, since she doesn't seem to have alot of chakra to speak of.

[Shaoran]

Ah we can only hope so. Sakura neither possesses the medical combat techniques of Shizune, nor does she have the freakish strength of Tsunade, so I'm hoping that she'll able to make use of a pretty powerful summon. Kabuto is seriously one powerful medical ninja though, I'd be glad if Sakura could even obtain 1/3 of his abilities. Though I think he's a twisted psycho, he has a powerful blend of medical combat techniques.

[Zek]

There's no way Sakura will compare to the other Genin in combat(at least not Sasuke and Naruto since they're also being trained by Sannin). Think about it. If she has to spend so much of her time learning how to heal people, she simply won't have the combat skills of someone whose training is completely devoted to fighting. I think she'll still be defenseless compared to the others, but at least she'll be useful at the same time now.

[AkatsukisApprentice]

Originally Posted by neodrag38

Well, that comment is a bit wrong. She also needed the help of Lee, the InoShikaCho trio, etc.

Hopefully Sakura will stop being so damn defenseless.

lol I was trying to be nice about her being useles

[Dez]

Originally Posted by neodrag38

<Cut random nonsense about Sakura because the topic I've been trying to discuss is Hinata's uselessness.>

I remember Hinata helping her team to avoid annoying enemies and other things that would get in their way while Sakura hasn't exactly been helpful at all. No one else besides Neiji can into far off distances and radius while we have Sakura, what has she done in helping Naruto and Sasuke that couldn't been done, and possibly better, by some other graduate of the Ninja Academy, even Choji would be a better help than her.

Also you have to admit that Sakura was somewhat useless during the chuunin exam while we see Hinata contributing something to the team. And the phrase "Has potential. Needs lots of work" seems to also fit what type of person Sakura is.

Sakura may have been "somewhat useless" during the chuunin exam, but Sasuke and Naruto would both be dead were it not for her. I'd call that contributing, but I'm not arguing that Sakura is the uber-genin, so please don't try to turn the discussion any further that way.

While Hinata might not constantly need to be rescued, she hasn't successfully fought for herself either so you can hardly count that as proof of her worth. Her major contributions to the manga in the Two Hundred and One chapters since she's been introduced have been 1) Playing the role of human telescope on one occassion 2) Naruto and Kiba's medicine dispensor 3) Neji's practice Dummy 4) Tea service and 5) Stalking Naruto.

Nothing we've seen from Hinata indicates she's anything better than average (Which is actually being kind) and there's no reason to overinflate her significance as a character or her abilities as a ninja.

[Srin Tuar]

Originally Posted by Dez

1) Playing the role of human telescope on one occassion 2) Naruto and Kiba's medicine dispensor 3) Neji's practice Dummy 4) Tea service and 5) Stalking Naruto.

Well, she hasnt had a lot of time in the limelight, but two noteworthy things:

1. She can see potential in people that others dont. (not power or skill, but determination) She was also able to forgive Neji it seems.

2. She has overcome her lack of self-confidence for the most part. In her fight with Neji she was ready to fight to the death. (hers at least)

And shes still the modest, shy, and kind person she was before.

I say shes an interesting character.


The reason I dont like sakura as much is because I cannot understand why she loves sasuke so desperately. Because hes cute? popular? Hes certainly not very friendly, especially not to her. Plus her complete and total lack of self improvement
or even effort, well....

[rabbienrose]

Originally Posted by Dez

Her major contributions to the manga in the Two Hundred and One chapters since she's been introduced have been 1) Playing the role of human telescope on one occassion 2) Naruto and Kiba's medicine dispensor 3) Neji's practice Dummy 4) Tea service and 5) Stalking Naruto.

*rotfl* Dez, I love your comments.

Originally Posted by Tettsuo

When have you ever seen Sakura training (talking anime here)?

I rest my case.

As someone else already pointed out, not seeing Sakura train does not mean she doesn't. She started out as an academy graduate who did not even know Kakashi was using a genjutsu on her. But before the chuunin exam, she was able to realize a neighboring country shinobi (Iruka in disguise) was using a genjutsu on her. Then later during the final part of the chuunin exam, she was one of the two genins who was able to cancel the genjutsu that put everyone in the entire stadium (minus the jounins, Shikamaru and her) to sleep.

So tell me, if she hadn't been training, how the hell did she jump from someone who doesn't realize a genjutsu is used on her to someone who can cancel a genjutsu?

And even if we put genjutsu aside, she was able to fight on equal grounds with Ino, the #1 rookie among the female kunoichi. Even Kakashi commented that Sakura had gotten stronger. His exact quote, "I didn't expect the unreliable Sakura to become stronger as well."

In order to become stronger, one have to train. So there you go.

[rabbienrose]

Originally Posted by neodrag38

For someone who was suppose to be the smartest girl at the ninja academy, using only one basic technique and biting some guys arm doesn't really make sense. If Lee, the InoShikaCho trio, etc. didn't come around to save her, that would have been the death of her, Sasuke, and Naruto.

Ah, the infamous biting incident.

Keep in mind that she slept very little hours the night before, in order to nurse Sasuke and Naruto back to health, or at least watch over them. (Yes, she did sleep. But judging by her reaction, at least in the manga, she did not sleep much or enough.) So maybe, just maybe, due to the lack of sleep and her paranoia of wanting to protect Sasuke and Naruto (mainly Sasuke - since Zaku openly declared that they would kill him), her judgement was clouded and she was unable to think properly. And as a result, she ended up fighting desperately, even if it meant biting.

And about the always-needing-to-be-saved issue, the same goes for Hinata as well

1) If Temari didn't stop Gaara from using the sand coffin, that would've been the end of her, Shino and Kiba while they're just sitting there shaking in fear.

2) If Gai, Kakashi, Kurenai and Hayate didn't stop Neji, that would've been the end of Hinata.

3) If Kabuto wasn't there to heal Hinata during the final part of the chuunin exam, lord knows what would've happened to Hinata when she wasn't even on a battlefield.

Originally Posted by Srin Tuar

The reason I dont like sakura as much is because I cannot understand why she loves sasuke so desperately. Because hes cute? popular? Hes certainly not very friendly, especially not to her.

Spoiler:

Rewind a bit back to Sakura's childhood. When young Sakura first announced she found someone she likes, all the girls immediately knew she was talking about Sasuke. Why? According to her friends, Sasuke is the most popular guy in town. And so, it is only reasonable for girls to develop crushes on someone popular, cool and cute like Sasuke.

And Sakura's reaction? She was astonished and a bit taken back that Sasuke has such a reputation.

So I think it is safe to assume that Sakura had no idea about Sasuke's "fame around town" before this scene. And if that is the case, the "I like Sasuke because he is popular" idea is out.

Let's fast forward to the recent Naruto manga chapters. If Naruto and Sasuke's rivalry stemmed from a series of encounters that occurred when they were young (that we did not know about until 200+ chapters after their rivalry had been established), could the same thing not have happened to Sakura and Sasuke? Naruto saw something of Sasuke that bonded him to the younger Uchiha. And as a result, he declared said-Uchiha as his rival. So could Sakura not have saw something of Sasuke that bonded her to him. But instead of declaring rivalship, young Sakura found herself captivated by him, resulting in her little "crush".

So what is this "something" that Sakura saw?

Wait another 200+ chapters and hope Kishimoto will solve the mystery?

[monir]

Oh my, the thread has done well! Hey, I have noticed a trend which revolves around the fans after reading three additional pages of debates, stingers, and sarcasms. The fans that like Sasuke's character are pulling for Sakura regardless if they personally like Sakura's character or not. Samething applies for the Naruto fans that are pulling for Hinata.

Originally Posted by _Sin_

OMG, monir entered a Manga thread! Everyone saw it, right?

Only when the manga threads are about Sakura-chaaan which always leads to posts as impartial as those in the thread. Exciting stuff. oooo.. There is another thread about female gennin with most potential and as expected Hinata-chan is winning. Will there be no peace for Sakura fans? When will the injustice of it all end?

[Hunter]

I can barely care less about Sakura due to her lack of utility for the story. It's not about her (lack of) strenght just that she's uninteresting.
The last thing she did on her own was to try to stop Sasuke to leave Konoha, though I'm far from being interested in her little story with Sasuke at least she was doing something for once.

I don't care much about Hinata either, she's an ugly and retarded little stalker who has a hairdresser who should kill himself.
Her only interesting role so far was to show off Neji's skills.
Her little story with Naruto isn't more interesting than Sakura's with Sasuke (maybe even less, that's pathetic), as for training she brought tea to Neji. Great for her, maybe she will become a waitress-nin.

[nh1]

Wow, has Hunter had some bad experience with stalking girls or something?
Both have little interesting stories, but Hinata is shy and cute.

On another note, isn't Kishimoto technically Hinata's hairdresser.

[Hunter]

Originally Posted by nh1

Wow, has Hunter had some bad experience with stalking girls or something?

Hell yeah.
But her probleme is mainly that she's as boring as Sakura which is sad life for a manga character.

On another note, isn't Kishimoto technically Hinata's hairdresser.

Hmmm... Damn you're right I didn't think about that...
Okey the hairdresser can spare himself

[FireEel]

Oh my....Dez really dislikes our sweet little Hinata don't he?

I wouldn't mind her serving me tea though

[FireEel]

While Hinata might not constantly need to be rescued, she hasn't successfully fought for herself either so you can hardly count that as proof of her worth. Her major contributions to the manga in the Two Hundred and One chapters since she's been introduced have been 1) Playing the role of human telescope on one occassion 2) Naruto and Kiba's medicine dispensor 3) Neji's practice Dummy 4) Tea service and 5) Stalking Naruto.
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1) She might have saved Kiba's and Shino's life if she haven't done that. Thinking about it, there were dozens of enemy ninjas everywhere. If she haven't been looking around and helping them spot other enemies, other ninjas might have stumbled upon them and took their scrolls.

2) That's great, really. Since we saw her providing medicine now, this most likely means she is always providing medicines for her friends on other occasions. This would make her useful, much better than Sakura whom we NEVER see being so helpful to provide medicine to others.

3) Practise dummy? Hardly. She proved to everyone else about Neji's strength and probably gave Naruto a great insight on the type of attacks his future opponent would use. If Naruto haven't seen this fight, he might had blindly charged ahead when fighting Neji and caused his immediate defeat.

4) So what? Its good to serve tea, it shows how helpful she is. Haven't you been helpful to others as well?

5) Stalking Naruto isn't that bad. Everybody stalks. Sakura stalks Sasuke. Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke stalks Kakashi to get his mask off. What's more, if there were any enemy ninja ready to sneak up on Naruto, she would immediately know and be there to warn him.

See? Isn't Hinata very useful and helpful?

[Iscarecht]

Originally Posted by Anthriel

Honestly, I am curious. Hinata is, as far as I know, the most popular female character in Naruto, whereas Sakura is really unpopular, especially considering her screentime.

So ... why is Hinata more popular?

One of my biggest determinants as to whether I like a character or not is how much I'd want to have a normal, CLEAN, conversation with him or her, or just know him or her as a person. Given that, I'd rather know someone who's shy, but honest and kindhearted (read: Hinata), than someone who's smart but a bit of a jerk towards other people (Sakura).

In terms of combat ability, Hinata's had very few opportunities to show her skills compared to Sakura, so I think the comparison's a little pointless. They may both be worthless, or they may not be...we don't really know, and it hardly matters as to whether I'd like them.

As for who's cuter...people, they're anime characters barely into their teens! Why is this even on your minds???

...On second thought, don't answer that last question. I don't even want to know.

[Zek]

Hinata's character is by far more interesting than Sakura's. Sakura has never been defined by anything except her shallow crush on Sasuke, whereas Hinata's defining characteristic is her desire to change herself. Neither of them have had a whole lot of character development, but I'd say Hinata shows a lot more potential for it.

That said, I hope she isn't cast aside in future story arcs with this time skip. It's obvious she'll never compare to Neji in taijutsu and it doesn't seem like she'll become a medic nin. And her most recent appearance was less than encouraging. Hopefully Kishimoto still has a place for her as a ninja instead of just a love interest who serves tea...


Rabbien, just because Sakura didn't know Sasuke was popular doesn't mean she has a particularly meaningful reason for liking him. She probably likes him for the same superficial reason everybody else does, whatever that may be. He had to become popular at some point, it's not like he was born that way.

[Dez]

Originally Posted by FireEel

1) She might have saved Kiba's and Shino's life if she haven't done that. Thinking about it, there were dozens of enemy ninjas everywhere. If she haven't been looking around and helping them spot other enemies, other ninjas might have stumbled upon them and took their scrolls.

So her greatest contribution is to use an ability that any other member of her clan, regardless of age or skill could have used? You Go, Hinata-chan!

2) That's great, really. Since we saw her providing medicine now, this most likely means she is always providing medicines for her friends on other occasions. This would make her useful, much better than Sakura whom we NEVER see being so helpful to provide medicine to others.

No. We see Sakura being so helpful as to actually take care of her injured team mates and take fatal attacks for them.

3) Practise dummy? Hardly. She proved to everyone else about Neji's strength and probably gave Naruto a great insight on the type of attacks his future opponent would use. If Naruto haven't seen this fight, he might had blindly charged ahead when fighting Neji and caused his immediate defeat.

All of which is a nice, polite way of saying she got her ass beatdown. She was useful in the same way that those team of Rain-nin were useful against Gaara. That doesn't make her a great character, it makes her a tool.

5) Stalking Naruto isn't that bad. Everybody stalks. Sakura stalks Sasuke. Naruto, Sakura and Sasuke stalks Kakashi to get his mask off. What's more, if there were any enemy ninja ready to sneak up on Naruto, she would immediately know and be there to warn him.

Sakura doesn't stalk. She's always been perfectly upfront about her feelings for Sasuke, she's never followed him around to places she doesn't belong and invaded his personal space by watching him when he thinks he's alone. Sakura's actions are mostly those of a normal young girl with a crush. Hinata probably meets the criminal profile of a stalker. Any day now I expect to see her stealing Naruto's underwear.

See? Isn't Hinata very useful and helpful?

Hinata is deadweight. She hasn't had any relevence at all to the storyline since before the third round finals. Some of her greatest contributions to the story could have been provided by any stock character. She has no worthwhile storyline of her own, and isn't the slightest bit involved with any of the other main characters either. She can't even truly claim the role of potential love interest for Naruto because she hasn't interacted with him for over one hundred chapters. He doesn't even realize she exists at this point.

[Bflip]

Originally Posted by Dez

So her greatest contribution is to use an ability that any other member of her clan, regardless of age or skill could have used? You Go, Hinata-chan!

No. We see Sakura being so helpful as to actually take care of her injured team mates and take fatal attacks for them.

All of which is a nice, polite way of saying she got her ass beatdown. She was useful in the same way that those team of Rain-nin were useful against Gaara. That doesn't make her a great character, it makes her a tool.

Sakura doesn't stalk. She's always been perfectly upfront about her feelings for Sasuke, she's never followed him around to places she doesn't belong and invaded his personal space by watching him when he thinks he's alone. Sakura's actions are mostly those of a normal young girl with a crush. Hinata probably meets the criminal profile of a stalker. Any day now I expect to see her stealing Naruto's underwear.

Hinata is deadweight. She hasn't had any relevence at all to the storyline since before the third round finals. Some of her greatest contributions to the story could have been provided by any stock character. She has no worthwhile storyline of her own, and isn't the slightest bit involved with any of the other main characters either. She can't even truly claim the role of potential love interest for Naruto because she hasn't interacted with him for over one hundred chapters. He doesn't even realize she exists at this point.

Blah blah blah, you can't deny Hinata's the most popular female character in Naruto and most people disagree.