Penguin Drum - General Discussion

[risingstar3110]

Originally Posted by 4Tran

If they were trying to hide Mario's name, they would have labelled him as "Boy with apple" or something like that. But given Ikuhara's penchant for misdirection, I wouldn't worry too much about it either way.

I thought you have to state the voice actor role in the credit as a part of airing process?
I means can director misuse it for their advantage?

New Theory:
The earthquake in 1995 killed both Momoka and Mario. These two met in the broiler room and share their fate apple, and is reborn as Himari and her fated person(Character X). That makes Natsume quite similar to Ringo....

Then later on, we will have a dramatic moment. Natsume: *point gun*"you prevented me to resurrect my brother" Character X : "No, i'm your brother, come to the Penguinxxxxx side"

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by risingstar3110

I thought you have to state the voice actor role in the credit as a part of airing process?
I means can director misuse it for their advantage?

Yeah, I don't think they can mess with the credits (though I'm not sure). But it's true that if Ikuhara didn't want to reveal his name he could have credited him as "fated one" or "apple boy" or whatever. As long as "role + VA" is indicated in the credits it's ok I think.

[Forsaken_Infinity]

Originally Posted by risingstar3110

I thought you have to state the voice actor role in the credit as a part of airing process?
I means can director misuse it for their advantage?

New Theory:
The earthquake in 1995 killed both Momoka and Mario. These two met in the broiler room and share their fate apple, and is reborn as Himari and her fated person(Character X). That makes Natsume quite similar to Ringo....

Then later on, we will have a dramatic moment. Natsume: *point gun*"you prevented me to resurrect my brother" Character X : "No, i'm your brother, come to the Penguinxxxxx side"

Lulz. What if Ringo is the reborn version of Mario while Himari's the reborn version of Momoka? Would be all sorts of fun

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Forsaken_Infinity

Lulz. What if Ringo is the reborn version of Mario while Himari's the reborn version of Momoka? Would be all sorts of fun

That would be all sorts of fun.

Ringo's position in particular would be absolutely mind-blowing, lol.

She's trying to become her sister, when she's fated to be with the reincarnation of her sister, who just happens to be her new best platonic friend and the Penguin Queen.


Edit: By the way, according to Wiki, Ringo was born on the day of the Sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway. Not sure what importance there is to it, but it might be of some importance.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Thanks! Ok, so they're probably related.

I just realized that Mario is such a weird name. I mean, it's not even a proper Japanese name, is it? It's more like a Latin-American one. I think all the other characters have Japanese names, so Mario kinda stands out. There might be something there.... or not.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

I just realized that Mario is such a weird name. I mean, it's not even a proper Japanese name, is it? It's more like a Latin-American one. I think all the other characters have Japanese names, so Mario kinda stands out. There might be something there.... or not.

Is Ringo a normal Japanese name?

I mean, the only time I can recall hearing that name before, it was referring to a drummer that's even more famous than K-On's Ritsu...


Edit: Mario is a somewhat common name in Quebec, Canada (Mario Lemieux, Mario LeBlanc, Mario Roberge, Mario Tremblay, etc...). It's both French and Italian. Never thought it was also Japanese, though.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Is Ringo a normal Japanese name?

Yes it is.

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Edit: Mario is a somewhat common name in Quebec, Canada (Mario Lemieux, Mario LeBlanc, Mario Roberge, Mario Tremblay, etc...). It's both French and Italian. Never thought it was also Japanese, though.

As far as I know it isn't (plus it's written in katakana). That's why I thought it was weird, since all the other characters (including Masako) have Japanese names.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Yes it is.



As far as I know it isn't (plus it's written in katakana). That's why I thought it was weird, since all the other characters (including Masako) have Japanese names.

I would say that maybe Mario had an eccentric father similar to "Battler's" grandfather in Umineko. Someone who for whatever reason wanted to give his Japanese children European names. But then, Masako is a normal Japanese name.

Maybe Mario and Masako are half-Japanese/half-Italian? Or half-Japanese/half-French? One parent being full-Japanese and the other full-Italian or full-French. So they compromised by giving one child a Japanese name, and the other a French/Italian name.

[risingstar3110]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

That would be all sorts of fun.

Ringo's position in particular would be absolutely mind-blowing, lol.

She's trying to become her sister, when she's fated to be with the reincarnation of her sister, who just happens to be her new best platonic friend and the Penguin Queen.

Wow, that means the line when Ringo said that she has to becomes one with Momoka is less tragic now and rather romantic....

Anyway, back to speculation. I think it's true that Ringo is born the same day Momoka died, the 20th March, which is also the day of the Sarin attack.

However, it's possible that Ikuhara is messing up with our head here. Momoka seems to die in 1994, one year before the attack and possibly Ringo birth(1995). Because during the flashback of ep 6 (the calender said it's 1999), Ringo's father mentioned how they agreed 5 years ago that they would pour their love (toward Momoka) into Ringo. So it's possible that the sarin attack is just Ikuhara's diversion, because even when it's famous, Tokyo's sarin attacks only killed 13 people, and it would be bold of Ikuhara to include Momoka into that short well-known list

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Triple_R

Maybe Mario and Masako are half-Japanese/half-Italian? Or half-Japanese/half-French? One parent being full-Japanese and the other full-Italian or full-French. So they compromised by giving one child a Japanese name, and the other a French/Italian name.

Maybe Mario is an illegitimate child. The product of one of his father's "adventures" in France/Italy.

[Oxides]

Been lurking on this thread since the start of PenguinDrum mostly for any little details pointed out that I might have missed.

Spoiler for Episode 9 and two other episode Cast Lists:

Natsume Mario at the top

Natsume Masako at the bottom

Episode one for comparison. The little kid that was excited about penguins and his family are in Ep. 1 and 9.


Luigi's name is invisible like the penguins. Sorry I didn't trim and resize these better.

I recommend reading SparkNotes analysis after reading SuperFrog Saves Tokyo. I think it gives more meaning to PenguinDrum [and Utena] than just superficial connections. I love these stories that aren't just taken at plot face-value, which leads me to...

Spoiler for Utena:

Since the Utena being yuri anime question was brought up... Utena's fated one was Anthy. She only slightly remembered prince Dios but really her promise had been to become a prince to rescue Anthy. Also, back in 1997 there wasn't much by the way of girl-girl romance in anime, you couldn't expect anything overt at the time except in hentai and occasionally manga.

Q: Ikuhara-san, Utena and Sailor Moon are two of the most popular anime amongst yuri fans. Do you intentionally include shoujo-ai subtexts in your work?

A: No. I'm still able to make a story where it's between a boy and a girl. But I feel irritated to see my girl getting together with some other guy. I've tried to kill off Tuxedo Mask in Sailor Moon many times. But no matter how many times I tried to kill him, he gets resurrected so I only get angrier. So I decided it would be way better if the girl just didn't have a boyfriend to begin with. Of course I'm just kidding. In reality, if I have a guy in the show, the love relationship gets to have a bigger role than the show. And that would be an interesting element, but I wouldn't want that to make that the scene-stealer of the show. Most other shoujo shows are in that direction. It's about who-and-who are getting together, or who-and-who are breaking up. I thought it would be a loss if that would be the big motif just because a girl was the main character. I think there could be more shows with other motives than that.

Lol, that's gold, no wonder I like him so much. Thanks for posting that 4Tran.

Random Info: Utena is going to air again in Japan Hopefully this means more fanart.

[Archon_Wing]

Mario huh? So is it like Super Mario Brothers with Kanba and Shouma being Mario and Luigi? :S

Nah, that would be too insane even for this...

[Kazu-kun]

Here's a Mario fanart I found. It's the only one right now, I think.

Spoiler for image:

[Tyabann]

Episode 10... Holy shit.

[risingstar3110]

I will evacuate myself from this thread until i have time to watch ep 10 then.....

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Episode 10... Holy shit.

Because of the shitty quality you mean?

Seriously, they must have used all their budget in episode 9 because this episode looked horrible.

[gumi]

Spoiler for Episode 10:

What's wrong with all these crazy girls trying to jump every nearest guy???

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Because of the shitty quality you mean?

Seriously, they must have used all their budget in episode 9 because this episode looked horrible.

Who cares?

Spoiler for ep10:

Seriously, OhnoImustcrushhimsoon moved up several spots in my personal character ranking. That was fucking amazing.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Who cares?

Spoiler for ep10:

Seriously, OhnoImustcrushhimsoon moved up several spots in my personal character ranking. That was fucking amazing.

I care!! Besides, there was a lot of nonsensical shit going on in this episode...

Spoiler:

For instance, what with the love sweater? That came from fucking nowhere damn it!!!

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

I care!! Besides, there was a lot of nonsensical shit going on in this episode...

But there's nonsensical shit in EVERY episode. Just look at the stuff the penguins do.

Spoiler for ep10: