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[KanbeKotori]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

Uhm you misread me there. - what I meant was:

AO, + CVL 2CV + Kongous +
1CL, 3 CLT + 2 DD didn't go through the sub node.

While
2CV + 2CV + Kongous
1CL, 2 DD, 2 CLT, 1CA(Purin)

did get me through there.

I did not misread you, you misread the branching route.

潜水艦(まるゆは除く?)がいるとN
第1艦隊に金剛＆榛名かつ正規(装甲)空母2以下でM
第1艦隊に金剛＆榛名なしかつ第2艦隊にBismarckでN
雷巡3でN
正規(装甲)空母2以下かつ第2艦隊に鳥海ありかつ雷巡2でM?(不確定)
雷巡2でN
それ以外はM

You NEED to have less than 2 CVBs WITH Kongous. Are both your Kakus CVBs?

Your first fleet didn't go BECAUSE you fulfill the part I highlight in RED, which in turn, ALLOWED you to bring 3CLTs.

Now your second fleet.

2CV +2 CV? What's this?

Unless you mean to write 2CVB + 2CV, then you did NOT fulfill the part in RED and thus the 2CLT to N branch rule is applied.

EDIT: Correction. After reading Academus's fleet again, I can see why you went to SS hime.

Academus failed all the branching except for this "正規(装甲)空母2以下かつ第2艦隊に鳥海ありかつ雷巡2でM?(不確定)"

He had Choukai in escort. You didn't, hence your 2CLT went to SS hime.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by KanbeKotori

I did not misread you, you misread the branching route.

潜水艦(まるゆは除く?)がいるとN
第1艦隊に金剛＆榛名かつ正規(装甲)空母2以下でM
第1艦隊に金剛＆榛名なしかつ第2艦隊にBismarckでN
雷巡3でN
正規(装甲)空母2以下かつ第2艦隊に鳥海ありかつ雷巡2でM?(不確定)
雷巡2でN
それ以外はM

You NEED to have less than 2 CVBs WITH Kongous. Are both your Kakus CVBs?

Your first fleet didn't go BECAUSE you fulfill the part I highlight in RED, which in turn, ALLOWED you to bring 3CLTs.

Now your second fleet.

2CV +2 CV? What's this?

Unless you mean to write 2CVB + 2CV, then you did NOT fulfill the part in RED and thus the 2CLT to N branch rule is applied.

I can't read the red part in the first place.
So basically if I don't bring Kongous but say Mutsu and Nagato 2 cv + 2cvb are a go?

Cause Academus Chipping lfeet had 2 Fusous and 3 CVB + 1CV

[KanbeKotori]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

I can't read the red part in the first place.
So basically if I don't bring Kongous but say Mutsu and Nagato 2 cv + 2cvb are a go?

Cause Academus Chipping lfeet had 2 Fusous and 3 CVB + 1CV

I edited my post. Could you refer to the updated post, sorry.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by KanbeKotori

I edited my post. Could you refer to the updated post, sorry.

Ok so it was Choukai's absence thx.

[KanbeKotori]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

I can't read the red part in the first place.
So basically if I don't bring Kongous but say Mutsu and Nagato 2 cv + 2cvb are a go?

Cause Academus Chipping lfeet had 2 Fusous and 3 CVB + 1CV

PART 2 EDIT

Let's study Academus chipping fleet

Fusou K2 (99) - 41cm Twin (max), 41cm Triple (6*), FCF, Zuiun
Yamashiro K2 (99) - 41cm Twin (max), 41cm Triple (6*), 91 AP (max), Zuiun
Zuikaku K2A (118) - Murata's Tenzan (>>), Ryuusei Kai (>>), Iwamoto's Zero 53 (>>), Reppuu 601 (>>)
Shoukaku K2A (118) - Murata's Tenzan (>>), Ryuusei Kai (>>), Reppuu Kai (>>), Reppuu 601 (>>)
Taihou Kai (99) - Ryuusei 601 (>>), Ryuusei 601 (>>), Ryuusei 601 (>>), Reppuu (>>)
Kaga Kai (99) - Ryuusei Kai (>>), 14 air radar, Tomonaga's Tenzan (>>), Reppuu (>>)

Escort fleet
Abukuma K2 (101) - 61cm Quint (6*), 61cm Quint (6*), Midget sub
Akizuki Kai (98) - 10cm+ (max), 10cm+ (max), 13 air radar kai
Iowa Kai (99) - 41cm Triple (6*), 41cm Triple (6*), Night scout (>>), 91 AP (max)
Maya K2 (103) - 20.3cm #3 (6*), 90mm (max), FuMO, Bofors
Yukikaze Kai (93) - 61cm Quint (6*), 61cm Quint (1*), 53cm Bow
Kitakami K2 (126) - 61cm Quad O2, 61cm Quad O2, Midget sub

Branching rule

潜水艦(まるゆは除く?)がいるとN
第1艦隊に金剛＆榛名かつ正規(装甲)空母2以下でM
第1艦隊に金剛＆榛名なしかつ第2艦隊にBismarckでN
雷巡3でN
正規(装甲)空母2以下かつ第2艦隊に鳥海ありかつ雷巡2でM?(不確定)
雷巡2でN
それ以外はM

How many CLTs does he have? 1
How many CVBs does he have? 3
Does he have Kongou + Haruna? No
Does he have Choukai in his escort? No

Now based on this verdict, he failed every single branching route EXCEPT the bold part.

Because he fails every single one of them, he gets directed to M by default.

[Kakurin]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

More AS = More less damage on the ships.

First of all, what's that for a formulation, "more less damage"?

Second, your logic is highly questionable. A higher fighter value doesn't mean you are automatically shooting down more enemy bomber. The differentiation comes from the different stages of air superiority. Regular air superiority enables 0-80% shot down and AS+ enables 0-100% shot down. But as you can see, there is a span for RNG (and on top of that calulated per enemy bomber slot), so it's entirely possible that even with AS+ you end up with the same or worse result.

Now, AS+ denies contact to the Abyssals, that's true (but it doesn't affect regular shelling). However, you are severely hurting the damage output of your own carriers by overloading them with fighters, causing more enemies to survive into the shelling phase in good health where they can deal more damage. Even in the very best result all you achieve is a zero-sum game.

To add on top of that, your 730 AS value is not enough to guarantee AS+ throughout the whole map. The double Wo Kai formation of node L and M have an AS+ requirement of 774/792.

[gecd]

currently on E3 Normal now
any idea how to pass double DATASS hime?
she always taiha'd either 2 of my ship or chuuha'd my DDs so they can't be used as escorts
also where I should send my aerial supports?

[KanbeKotori]

Originally Posted by gecd

currently on E3 Normal now
any idea how to pass double DATASS hime?
she always taiha'd either 2 of my ship or chuuha'd my DDs so they can't be used as escorts
also where I should send my aerial supports?

Find a religion.

Pray to the respective Gods

If Atheist

Pray to RNG.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Kakurin-san

First of all, what's that for a formulation, "more less damage"?

Second, your logic is highly questionable. A higher fighter value doesn't mean you are automatically shooting down more enemy bomber. The differentiation comes from the different stages of air superiority. Regular air superiority enables 0-80% shot down and AS+ enables 0-100% shot down. But as you can see, there is a span for RNG (and on top of that calulated per enemy bomber slot), so it's entirely possible that even with AS+ you end up with the same or worse result.

Now, AS+ denies contact to the Abyssals, that's true (but it doesn't affect regular shelling). However, you are severely hurting the damage output of your own carriers by overloading them with fighters, causing more enemies to survive into the shelling phase in good health where they can deal more damage. Even in the very best result all you achieve is a zero-sum game.

To add on top of that, your 730 AS value is not enough to guarantee AS+ throughout the whole map. The double Wo Kai formation of node L and M have an AS+ requirement of 774/792.

the first part is me having wanted to write it differently and forgot to delte the word
As for AS + - technically the only node where I shouldn't have AS+ this way is L since I am sending both my 3rd LBA strikes to M.
Usually L barely scratches my fleet while M sent them home on several occasions already.

[Kakurin]

I had one retreat at L (with a Taihō that was already chūha'd at I) and zero retreats at M. Don't think Klashikari encountered any problems either. You don't need AS+ for that.

[AC-Phoenix]

Hmm K;
In the end it can't really screew anything up to try - down to 64k Fuel (started with 98k) and only at 2480/3330 Map HP anyhow.

I am just not sure at which point I should swap to easy in order to get Warspite >> .
Funnily, if no miracle happens I will probably miss the 40k i needed to get Aquila in order to continue on hard

[Scarletknive]

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

Hmm K;
In the end it can't really screew anything up to try - down to 64k Fuel (started with 98k) and only at 2480/3330 Map HP anyhow.

I am just not sure at which point I should swap to easy in order to get Warspite >> .
Funnily, if no miracle happens I will probably miss the 40k i needed to get Aquila in order to continue on hard

You know, medium pretty much gives the same reward as hard except for the First Class Medal, so you should at least try attempting Medium first? Unless you are going for the queen only and doesn't care about the mini rewards, there is no reason why you should not drop to Medium and try to attempt it.

[Seihai]

@AC-Phoenix
Just do normal difficulty. I 100% recommend it to you.

[AC-Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Scarletknive

You know, medium pretty much gives the same reward as hard except for the First Class Medal, so you should at least try attempting Medium first? Unless you are going for the queen only and doesn't care about the mini rewards, there is no reason why you should not drop to Medium and try to attempt it.

Originally Posted by Seihai

@AC-Phoenix
Just do normal difficulty. I 100% recommend it to you.

)I'd actually like to do this one on hard after having failed last one on hard due to bauxite shortage :/;
Looks like I expected too much Bauxite need this time.

For the time being I will try it on hard and might later go down to medium - not sure if Medium is really much tamer though.
Atm I pretty much wish I'd never tried getting Aquila in the first place - too useless compared to pretty much all my other carriers and cost me more than building Yamato heh:

[Sheba]

Aquila is mostly the trophy ship of this event. A pain to get at that. Only reason I have hunted for her have been her design, and my carriers dorm needed a cute redhead.

[gecd]

I changed my composition so it dont have history ship but I still can't get into node E3 A
can you tell me what's wrong with it guys?

[Academus]

Originally Posted by gecd

I changed my composition so it dont have history ship but I still can't get into node E3 A
can you tell me what's wrong with it guys?

Carrier fleet always routes to C.

[dylan05]

Originally Posted by Academus

Combine fleet always routes to C.

erm.. without combined fleet, you can't enter the map
I guess you wanted to say, that CTF always routes to C.

[Academus]

Originally Posted by dylan05

erm.. without combined fleet, you can't enter the map
I guess you wanted to say, that CTF always routes to C.

Yes I did & corrected.

[gecd]

Originally Posted by Academus

Carrier fleet always routes to C.

thanks
damn
I did't realised that I used carrier fleet until now