2009-06-16, 05:17 | Link #1441 | |
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Aside of "n", all ending consonant must finish with o when it is T or D while the rest is with u (present => presento, game => gamu, etc). Beat doesn't exist in Japanese, that's why it is "Beato" (well, if you really want the official form, it is: ベアト ). As to why we chosed Beato instead of Beat, the thing is the whole nickname is much more focalised on pronunciation than actual spelling. Also, English community doesn't always know how Japanese characters ACTUALLY pronounce a name, so if we put Beat, they wouldn't expect it to be read "beato" (and less confusiion possible with the actual word "beat"). Of course, the names of everyone else are kept for consistency sake with Ryukishi's spelling, even if they are hardly the same (Battler >< Batora). Therefore, keeping how it is pronounced in Japanese flows better in this specific case and would leave less possible mess up if it is changed in the future. Which was a good idea, considering Gaap calls her "riiche", which wouldn't make sense if we bluntly put "rice" (it would be even more confusing or misleading than it should be). A real shortened name for Beatrice would have been Bea, not Beat.
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2009-06-16, 06:43 | Link #1442 |
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Its pretty strange Gohda and Kumasawa willingly went in...
They could have armed themselves in the shed or smth... And judging by the events that took place in the living room... Those two escaped too easily... Smell an accomplice? Lets say Gohda was an accomplice... He placed the key by the window. The culprit after finishing his job, came by, unlocked the shed and entered and killed both of them and hid in the shed. He sort of predicted Battler would come by and thus stayed there till it was opened. Of course... this sounds horrendously stupid...
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2009-06-16, 07:07 | Link #1443 | |
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Gohda and Kumasawa are definitely suspicious, however i have no idea how this closed room was made.
to change the subject, I have recently replayed the first 3 episodes (I've finished yesterday) taking note of any kind of information about dates and times (that's why lately I've talked so much about those). It might not be relevant to solve the mystery but I thought it could be still interesting. All the following informations are based on actual texts in the game, in some cases I elaborated the data. For example while it has never been said that Shannon is 16, it is said that she started working when she was 6 and that she worked for 10 years. Also, mind that some informations might not be true. Only a very few of these dates were confirmed in red, and people can lie, or have a bad memory. There is an addendum at the end where I included informations that could be useful to understand times even so they do not directly point to any definitive date. Quote:
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2009-06-16, 13:26 | Link #1444 | |
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A lot of people (myself included for the longest time), think that Beatrice's name is pronounceed "Bee-a-triss", which is the standard English way of saying it. But Ryuukishi went with the Italian way (since she's named from the Divine Comedy), and it's actually "Bay-a-tre-che" |
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2009-06-16, 15:37 | Link #1446 |
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I just reread a part in Ep4. The challenge or test for George and Jessica, with looking more at Jessica, her arguments for choosing so and the former Episodes.
What if Jessica made a different choice? i mean not that she was directly asked, just that she decided to do so and so and with that decided to actually with that answered. For example, Ep 2. Jessica herself decided because of circumstances and kinda made the second choice. Jessica killed Kanon, threw him out of the window and then faked her death. And maybe "put an end to that woman herself"
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2009-06-16, 18:10 | Link #1447 |
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You know, if there are, say, overhangs or balconies (not sure what the architectural terminology would be) in front of the windows, it would make his corpse very difficult to locate. Especially when it becomes dark outside.
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2009-06-16, 20:39 | Link #1448 | |
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That would destroy the whole "I luv Kanon" thing. Besides, I don't see why she would want to intentionally make herself miserable by killing the guy she loves. Unless he was cheating on her or something (For Kanon, Reimu>Marisa). XD
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2009-06-16, 22:08 | Link #1452 | |
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As Chronotrig said Battler can only use it to deny witches. He can't even use it to say that "there are 5 master key". As for Beatrice using blue... that was a completely different game, so the rules are slightly different.
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2009-06-17, 05:59 | Link #1455 |
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That was a theory we have made back in Episode 2, the problem is that this is extremely cheap (as much as the "dead" doesn't count in the human number) because it would ALWAYS allow at least 3 free slots (hard to tell if Gohda, Kumasawa and Nanjo are considered as furniture, but considering how Kinzo was portrayed, I doubt it).
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2009-06-17, 06:14 | Link #1456 |
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I don't really get what you mean by it being cheap. There have been plenty of hints that Beatrice doesn't consider furniture to be human, so it's not exactly coming out of nowhere, and we can count 18 people in episode 4, so she's obviously getting around the red text somewhere. If not by messing with the definition of a person, how is she getting away with saying there are no more than 17 people on the island?
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2009-06-17, 06:15 | Link #1457 |
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Considering someone "non human" or "mere tools" doesn't mean it is the case. Beatrice mad speech are obviously personal, nothing past this point, so I have no idea why it should be considered as granted.
Anyway, Episode 3 certainly go against that idea anyway: 金蔵、源次、紗音、嘉音、郷田、熊沢の6人は死亡している! Kinzo, Genji, Shannon, Kanon, Gohda, and Kumasawa, 6 people in total are dead!
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2009-06-17, 06:57 | Link #1459 |
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There is also Eva-beato red truth:
-Absolutely no factors other than humans participate in this game board! Since we are sure that Genji, Kanon and Shannon do participate in episode3's game, then they must be human. A few weeks ago I was also wondering if dead people count as people. Actually that's an interesting question. Considering that someone is speculating that Kinzo's body is still on the island preserved somehow, you'd need to think that dead bodies do not count as people. That could be the reason to explain why Beatrice can't state a precise number but only "less people than X". However Beatrice always uses the present, so when she said "less than 17 people in every game"... But when a game actually starts? If it's after the first twilight then that doesn't mean much. As for Battler using red. We don't clearly know how Ryukishi will manage this thing. It is obvious that if Battler could use red in regards of the crimes he'd get an enormous advantage on this game. Basically he could play it alone and that would kinda suck. I hope EP5 will come with an explanation that will prevent Battler from doing so.
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2009-06-17, 07:22 | Link #1460 |
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My own personal explanation for that is that "Only when you're defending can you use red" and "only when you're attacking you can use blue".
Battler is attacking constantly to prove Beatrice is a witch, so he uses blue and she uses red. When Beatrice attacks Battler to prove he isn't worthy of playing, she uses blue and he uses red. |
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