Fate/stay night Heaven's Feel Movie Discussion Thread

[Nayrael]

I think that 3 would be the maximum, no matter the length. As long as HF is, going above that number would just be pushing it.

[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by Nayrael

I think that 3 would be the maximum, no matter the length. As long as HF is, going above that number would just be pushing it.

Three is likely enough to include everything, though. The UBW anime will certainly have filler arcs and added content, whereas HF likely won't have much of that.

[HtwoN]

Yeah, it is somewhat unfair, I guess.

UBW series will have 26 episode, including the prologue. In the BD version, there will be additional scenes. So basically each episode will be approximately 5 minutes longer like FZ BD version. All of UBW route events will be told, including slice of life scenes.

Well, I'm really happy with this. My favorite route finally has its justice. It is great to be a Rin fan these days.

I think HF fans don't need to be disappointed if they can't adapt HF route line-by-line. It's Ufotable, so it will be a good adaption. You guys are a lot happier than Fate fans, at least.

[Cherry_Lover]

They won't adapt HF "line-by-line", but I'd expect them to include most if not all of it. You can't simply cut the slice-of-life stuff out of HF, because that's where Sakura's character development happens.

[HtwoN]

I have no opposition. For me, HF is just a nice bonus after UBW series. As long as it is enjoyable, I'm fine.

If they are going to make 3 movies, 120 mins each, the total time will be 360 mins. I'm not sure this is enough to include all SoL scenes though.

[Amarantine]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

I have no opposition. For me, HF is just a nice bonus after UBW series. As long as it is enjoyable, I'm fine.

If they are going to make 3 movies, 120 mins each, the total time will be 360 mins. I'm not sure this is enough to include all SoL scenes though.

That's nowhere near enough. Just youtube a VN playthrough with voiced scenes on auto-read. They're absurdly long. Even if you account for the removal of most of the narration, it's still impossible to fully adapt it in that time. The VN is way too verbose and long-winded for that. Shirou and Kotomine's scenes in the church in HF alone take like 45 minutes each.

Not even UBW is being fully adapted (they already skipped a lot of lines from SoL scenes with Taiga and whatnot), so there's no way HF will. With the two double length episodes, UBW will probably amount to the equivalent of 27 episodes or so. Whereas if HF turns out to be three 2-hour long movies that will only amount to roughly 18 episodes. No way in hell can they include everything with that. They're going to have to omit stuff, it's just the matter of what. The first three days will probably be skipped entirely, or simply narrated very briefly, except for the stuff that really makes a difference for HF like Shirou walking Sakura home.

[Cherry_Lover]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

I have no opposition. For me, HF is just a nice bonus after UBW series. As long as it is enjoyable, I'm fine.

I disagree with this 100%. I would rather get no adaptation at all than a horrible mess (like the UBW movie) which massacres Sakura's characterisation.

Originally Posted by Amarantine

That's nowhere near enough. Just youtube a VN playthrough with voiced scenes on auto-read. They're absurdly long. Even if you account for the removal of most of the narration, it's still impossible to fully adapt it in that time. The VN is way too verbose and long-winded for that. Shirou and Kotomine's scenes in the church in HF alone take like 45 minutes each.

Not even UBW is being fully adapted (they already skipped a lot of lines from SoL scenes with Taiga and whatnot), so there's no way HF will. With the two double length episodes, UBW will probably amount to the equivalent of 27 episodes or so. Whereas if HF turns out to be three 2-hour long movies that will only amount to roughly 18 episodes. No way in hell can they include everything with that. They're going to have to omit stuff, it's just the matter of what. The first three days will probably be skipped entirely, or simply narrated very briefly, except for the stuff that really makes a difference for HF like Shirou walking Sakura home.

Well, they will leave some stuff out, but I think you can cover most of it with 6 hours or so of movies. The first three days will likely be significantly shortened, yeah, particularly given the amount of Sakura stuff they've shown in the anime (and will therefore not really want to repeat), but I would expect them to at least show enough for it to make sense to a newcomer.

[HtwoN]

Originally Posted by Cherry_Lover

I disagree with this 100%. I would rather get no adaptation at all than a horrible mess (like the UBW movie) which massacres Sakura's characterisation.

Hmm, did you read that I wrote: "for me"?

I don't care about HF movie(s) that much. Honestly, I couldn't care less about Sakura. What I am looking forward to in HF are Rin's badass moments and Kirei's intimidating figure. As long as they adapt these details well, I'm fine.

Also, this is not what you can decide. You can choose to watch it or not to watch it, but Ufo will make it regardless.

[kakakka]

My hope is that they would extend it to 4 movies actually. I don't care much about most of the SoL, but I feel that having it extend a bit more would give more room for scene transition and stuff.

[Death Usagi]

Instead of it being erotic, they could just change that scene into a comical one where Shirou has that dream

[whitecloud]

No..no..no...erotic is practically the entire premise of HF....

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by whitecloud

No..no..no...erotic is practically the entire premise of HF....

The one route you can't properly separate it from lol. Bloodsucking just doesn't equal the impact the adult version has. It's the only reason I can think of for why they feel movie(s) are better suited for the route then a full 24 episode series.

[GreyZone]

Originally Posted by cyberdemon

The one route you can't properly separate it from lol. Bloodsucking just doesn't equal the impact the adult version has. It's the only reason I can think of for why they feel movie(s) are better suited for the route then a full 24 episode series.

-What you mentioned
-The Shadow "murdering people"
-Zouken getting a "new body"

in other words: SEX and GORE

Now that I think about it, almost every country hates on at least one of those two aspects. Examples are USA, who hates on SEX scene, while in Germany GORE (i.e. a single drop of blood) is a big NO instead.

So having both of those will mean the publishing/localisation in many countries can be rather... tricky.

[HtwoN]

Originally Posted by GreyZone

-What you mentioned
-The Shadow "murdering people"
-Zouken getting a "new body"

in other words: SEX and GORE

Now that I think about it, almost every country hates on at least one of those two aspects. Examples are USA, who hates on SEX scene, while in Germany GORE (i.e. a single drop of blood) is a big NO instead.

So having both of those will mean the publishing/localisation in many countries can be rather... tricky.

In the US, implied sex is fine. But the most you can do is what Hollywood movies always do. Americans dislike explicit sex scenes in general, especially when it comes to animation. But the main problem is not from people's mindset. It's from the law.

There is laws that say it is illegal to show sexually explicit content if the character in the movie is underage. Even if the actors are 18 or over it can be depicted as illegal if the film portrays underage characters engaging in sex.

More info here:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2252
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2256

So if HF movie(s) has sex scenes, it will be banned in the US immediately.

I wonder what Ufotable and Aniplex will do, since they are trying to expand the American market.

[GreyZone]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

In the US, implied sex is fine. But the most you can do is what Hollywood movies always do. Americans dislike explicit sex scenes in general, especially when it comes to animation. But the main problem is not from people's mindset. It's from the law.

There is laws that say it is illegal to show sexually explicit content if the character in the movie is underage. Even if the actors are 18 or over it can be depicted as illegal if the film portrays underage characters engaging in sex.

More info here:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2252
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2256

So if HF movie(s) has sex scenes, it will be banned in the US immediately.

I wonder what Ufotable and Aniplex will do, since they are trying to expand the American market.

Valvrave is not banned in the US though... and it had a rape scene... with the people involved being underage, afaik.

[HtwoN]

Originally Posted by GreyZone

Valvrave is not banned in the US though... and it had a rape scene... with the people involved being underage, afaik.

It is never shown on TV in the US (I mean cable TV. On the internet, people could pay to watch porn). The BD version of VVV is not released in the US yet. So I'm not sure what will happen with that scene. We will see.

Though one highly possible case is that Aniplex could somehow argue that the rape scene is implicit.

Note that the law just bans explicit underage sex scenes.

When it comes to theater release, you have to pass far more qualifications though.

And that's why I wonder what will Ufotable and Aniplex do. Showing enough to not violate the law is interesting. I'm pretty sure some scenes in the VN would not pass.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

In the US, implied sex is fine. But the most you can do is what Hollywood movies always do. Americans dislike explicit sex scenes in general, especially when it comes to animation. But the main problem is not from people's mindset. It's from the law.

There is laws that say it is illegal to show sexually explicit content if the character in the movie is underage. Even if the actors are 18 or over it can be depicted as illegal if the film portrays underage characters engaging in sex.

More info here:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2252
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2256

So if HF movie(s) has sex scenes, it will be banned in the US immediately.

I wonder what Ufotable and Aniplex will do, since they are trying to expand the American market.

even if there are sex scene it won't be hentai quality. It would probably only be like any other sex scene in normal movies where there is likely nudity but don't see insertion and mostly just see them go through the motions. KnK shows that they aren't too concerned when it comes to sex scenes considering they had a rape scene in it. Fujino is about the same age and they showed her getting gang raped. consensual sex between Shirou and Sakura shouldn't be a big issue compared to that.

[Thess]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

Yeah, it is somewhat unfair, I guess.

UBW series will have 26 episode, including the prologue. In the BD version, there will be additional scenes. So basically each episode will be approximately 5 minutes longer like FZ BD version. All of UBW route events will be told, including slice of life scenes.

Well, I'm really happy with this. My favorite route finally has its justice. It is great to be a Rin fan these days.

I think HF fans don't need to be disappointed if they can't adapt HF route line-by-line. It's Ufotable, so it will be a good adaption. You guys are a lot happier than Fate fans, at least.

Ehhh...but Rin's at her worst in UBW. In Fate, she managed to kill Berserker once and show she was quick thinking and in control despite her limitations. In HF, she accessed to Second Magic and got all her significant character development. In UBW, she's a glorified babysitter who gets captured and betrayed and acts like a damsel in distress who gets shut out the actual most important moment of the route (Shirou vs Archer). Her only highlight is finally getting Saber as Servant as she wanted, imo. Archer's the real star of this route. :S

Also, the reason they are doing theatrical release for HF, wasn't it because they didn't want to censor anything? IIRC, I forgot where I read it.

[HtwoN]

Originally Posted by Thess

Ehhh...but Rin's at her worst in UBW. In Fate, she managed to kill Berserker once and show she was quick thinking and in control despite her limitations. In HF, she accessed to Second Magic and got all her significant character development. In UBW, she's a glorified babysitter who gets captured and betrayed and acts like a damsel in distress. :S

Hmm, you forgot who defeated Caster by herself...

And well, I talked about Rin's development in UBW so many times already. I don't want to go over it again.

[Thess]

Originally Posted by HtwoN

Hmm, you forgot who defeated Caster by herself...

She wasn't allowed to defeat her for good. Did you forget that Kuzuki immediately went to beat her up to reinforce her damsel role? Archer stole that thunder when he killed Caster. Please compare this to Saber defeating Rider or Gilgamesh or Sakura killing True Assassin and Zouken in their routes.

Rin got the short stick because Archer needed to show off.

Originally Posted by HtwoN

And well, I talked about Rin's development in UBW so many times already. I don't want to go over it again.

You could link them, because she's at her weakest as character in that route. HF even covers the reason why she likes Shirou which is nowhere in UBW. She's there for the ride and the attention is on Archer.