Valvrave the Liberator 2 - Episode 9 Discussion / Poll

[mayumi]

Originally Posted by shadow1296

so lets see she rejected her childhood friend, betrayed her only military force and surrendered to the only country that has constantly attacked her and her country, alright i'm calling it now shoko is going to die before this season is over

Well she is the reason Haruto became kamitsuki in the first place

[Destined_Fate]

Originally Posted by Twi

Maybe, maybe not.

But she's gonna have bigger problems real soon. She (and several others) openly betrayed their sole military force. They may still fight for revenge or self-defense, but just about all of them won't listen to her again barring the lovestruck fool. Thunder sure won't and, if L-Elf wasn't in a breakdown he would have shot her by now as well as the other students who tried to betray them.

At the minimum she's lost control over half the survivors and at worst she'll probably be thrown in a room and told to stay out of the way. She's done as the one calling the shots either way, if L-Elf isn't coming back then the only other adult who knows what's going on is in charge.

You imply they listened to her anyway. She was their leader yet they told her nothing, openly lied about their mission, screwed over the module with said failed mission, and the such. They never respected her authority other than L-Elf valuing her as a figure head, now the feeling is mutual.

She's still their leader. As long as majority vote isn't against her she still calls the shots. Especially since nearly everyone agreed with her but those being shipped off to Dorssia.

[~BC~]

Originally Posted by _Misfit

I don't know, I can't remember an episode in this show where things went south so bad and so quickly. And the debates here have been a little heated. I'm sure that we are missing some context without a proper translation, but we got a pretty bad situation going on here.

I get the controversy storywise; fandom-wise I'm just shaking my head. I think we'd have to wait a few weeks to see if it ends up as bad as "it was/wasn't rape".

[DevilHighDxD]

Man, you guys should hear Haruto's scream at the end. I dare say it the most powerful and emotional one so far. Kyuuma is truly the best bro, so WHHHHHHYYYYYYYYY T_T WHHHHHHYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Saki from previous episode and now Kyuuma this episode, someone need to drop some nukes to wipe Dorssia off the map along with ARUS as well as slowly torturing the Magius to death.

[LightDragonman]

So was there anything else worthy of note in the PV besides Haruto and L-Elf being on their own?

[Thess]

Originally Posted by DevilHighDxD

Man, you guys should hear Haruto's scream at the end. I dare say it the most powerful and emotional one so far. Kyuuma is truly the best bro, so WHHHHHHYYYYYYYYY T_T WHHHHHHYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Saki from previous episode and now Kyuuma this episode, someone need to drop some nukes to wipe Dorssia off the map along with ARUS as well as slowly torturing the Magius to death.

Kyuma was in the way of Haruto and L-Elf.

[_Misfit]

Originally Posted by ~BC~

I get the controversy storywise; fandom-wise I'm just shaking my head. I think we'd have to wait a few weeks to see if it ends up as bad as "it was/wasn't rape".

I wasn't on Animesuki when episode 10 aired. Was it bad on here?

[DevilHighDxD]

Originally Posted by LightDragonman

So was there anything else worthy of note in the PV besides Haruto and L-Elf being on their own?

One the of shield of the Valvrave 5 left behind by Kyuuma to protect Shoko and the other surviving students is featured...

[~BC~]

Originally Posted by _Misfit

I wasn't on Animesuki when episode 10 aired. Was it bad on here?

There were very opinionated debates and I recall a mod having to step in a few times but I think it was fairly less volatile than other places like tumblr and 4chan. Some people dropped the show altogether because of it.

[DuelGundam2099]

I wasn't on Animesuki when episode 10 aired. Was it bad on here?

For the first week it was, but we eventually left each other alone. I'm still in the "it was not rape" crowd and nobody is trying to kill me as far as I know. I wish I could say the same for /m/, every VVV thread they've had since it aired was back and forth with just that scene. I even made the "Head for the hills! Valvrave rape debate is about to ensue!" picture. The debates lessened once a troll confessed to playing both sides and episode 13 aired.

[_Misfit]

^Well I don't expect much out of places like tumblr and 4chan. That's why I'm on here instead.

Btw, any update on the subs?

[Twi]

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

She's still their leader. As long as majority vote isn't against her she still calls the shots. Especially since nearly everyone agreed with her but those being shipped off to Dorssia.

But none of them can pilot a Valvrave now, can they?
Not unless they want to be the same "Bakemono" they were condemning.

[KleenexGhost]

Originally Posted by _Misfit

^Well I don't expect much out of places like tumblr and 4chan. That's why I'm on here instead.

Btw, any update on the subs?

Nothing yet. I've already watched Kill la Kill and Samurai Flamenco. All I'm waiting on is this and my Thursday rotation is complete

[_Misfit]

^Yeah, I was able to catch KLK before work. Valvrave is usually the one that gets the delays.

[KleenexGhost]

Originally Posted by _Misfit

^Yeah, I was able to catch KLK before work. Valvrave is usually the one that gets the delays.

Funny enough I got off work just in time for the first reactions to the episode lol

[Destined_Fate]

Originally Posted by Twi

But none of them can pilot a Valvrave now, can they?
Not unless they want to be the same "Bakemono" they were condemning.

Pilots can be replaced and I'm sure some are willing to become a monster after what happened on the module and Dorssia still trying to wipe them all out even after they had surrendered.

Though they may not trust the Golden Team unless they reveal the full truth to everyone and explain things. Since right now all they have is what Dorssia told them to go by and it ain't pretty.

The least Haruto can do for Shoko is explain things and tell her everything he kept from her. Far better he does this than keep as much secrets as he can from her which wont allow her to ever forgive him.

[rulfo]

I just don't even know where this is going. I don't know why the drama didn't work for me.. It's like Blood C all over again and this music is playing in my mind all the time. Someone give that "journalist" an award or something. 10/10 performance. Nearly thought it was porn oscar tier. Or was he really acting out? Beats me.. I don't give a damn anymore.

Everyone is illogical. Also I thought Shouko was much better than that. She just became another distressed extra student. I was laughing my lunges off when they were so surprised when ARUS flips them face to face with the Haruto trade off.

I just don't want to think anymore.

[Haigon]

Watched the episode and:

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I hope THUNDAH drain Iori's runes dry.

[MCAL]

Wow! Um... What more really needs to be said. A gripping episode from start to finish. I felt like it passed in half the time. I know people are gonna rip Shoko apart, but you have to look at it from her perspective a little bit.

[Twi]

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

Pilots can be replaced and I'm sure some are willing to become a monster after what happened on the module and Dorssia still trying to wipe them all out even after they had surrendered.

Though they may not trust the Golden Team unless they reveal the full truth to everyone and explain things. Since right now all they have is what Dorssia told them to go by and it ain't pretty.

The least Haruto can do for Shoko is explain things and tell her everything he kept from her. Far better he does this than keep as much secrets as he can from her which wont allow her to ever forgive him.

The Golden Team won't let them touch their Valvraves and if the 'Sell-Out faction' tries it then they'll be some of the biggest hypocrites and get the crap beat out of them. They're about to be hunted down by both factions, and you think they've got the time to swap pilots? Satomi is probably capable, since we've seen him in the future well beyond what should be his dying days, but do we need another Saki incident where they freeze up in battle?

It takes time to get comfortable and the enemy knows what their units are capable of considering they're down to three out of five. They can't afford to replace any pilots right now and make up for the lack of experience.

Trust? The least he could do? One of them just died for their sake and defended them because of her. And even if they told her ahead of time, it wouldn't have changed the outcome with the massacre.

This was planned out by an organization far older than them and in positions of power, a couple of kids weren't going to change what happened. Realistically, nothing could have changed that except maybe if L-Elf was awake the body count would have been lower.

I'm not even blaming her for the massacre, but the fact that she botched it at the end by not keeping Iori and her gang in check and betraying her friends and allies by trying to give them away towards the enemy that obviously has no problem committing war crimes.