Velvet Kiss

[Aesthetic Shampoo]

I've always seen this as a manga focused on the sex with a plot thrown in as an afterthought. The thing is, the plot this time round seems to have just happened to be above average.

[frubam]

Originally Posted by Sunnythesun

I've always seen this as a manga focused on the sex with a plot thrown in as an afterthought. The thing is, the plot this time round seems to have just happened to be above average.

Problem is, the sex is relatively the same. Generally, at least in hentai, the sex scenes will differ, perhaps even having some theme to it(some kind of fetish, oral sex, anal sex, or some other specific area/fetish to focus on) making things a least a little fresh. I mean, Love Junkies was also quite focused on sex, but it still managed to keep things moving at a decent pace(although that manga is more comedic than serious). If it really is more sex than anything, then it is certainly failing to deliver in terms of quality.

[Key Board]

Saw it coming

More often than not, women will have sex with another person if they feel terribly unwanted and/or depressed. It's not that different than overeating or being a compulsive shopper.

This happens to everyone. Yes, being in a long term relationship with your girlfriend does not make you immune from this. Much less someone in their situation. So, it would be very strange had Kano not do this. THIS reaction is the norm. For the better or worse.

Personally, I don't thing there's anything wrong with going orgies, but it's the reasons for doing it that is not healthy. From what I've seen she's not even doing this to make boy toy jealous or anything. She is obviously a hole in heart and she's trying to fill it up with something.

Then again, you can't force someone to love you..

[Darknemo2000]

Originally Posted by Key Board

More often than not, women will have sex with another person if they feel terribly unwanted and/or depressed. This happens to everyone. .

Theres a difference between sex and orgy threesomes with random guys. Not everyone do this, thats for sure.

She is a an orgy whore thus tries to fill the void with dicks, but most importantly it ruined the development of 23 chapters. She started as an orgy whore and she ends as an orgy whore. I don't think there will be 3 more volumes to redo the development, most likely it will be solved in the 4th volume which means that there simply will be no development for her from being an orgy whore.

Even if she gets with Nitta and shown as a happy couple, she will be just a currently happy whore, but you just never know if after a single argument again she will not go screwing around with threesomes, foursomes or whatever, filling the voids in her holes.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

Theres a difference between sex and orgy threesomes with random guys. Not everyone do this, thats for sure.

She is a an orgy whore thus tries to fill the void with dicks, but most importantly it ruined the development of 23 chapters. She started as an orgy whore and she ends as an orgy whore. I don't think there will be 3 more volumes to redo the development, most likely it will be solved in the 4th volume which means that there simply will be no development for her from being an orgy whore.

Even if she gets with Nitta and shown as a happy couple, she will be just a currently happy whore, but you just never know if after a single argument again she will not go screwing around with threesomes, foursomes or whatever, filling the voids in her holes.

She was never a maiden princess. Get over your romantic ideals.

Unlike certain manga like Kimi no Iru Machi or Otaku no Musume-san, the current development is a direct consequence of previous events. Nitta screwed up with Kano, and this is how she deals with it. Most people saw this coming, whether they liked it or not.

I want Kano to dump her horny sex friends and get together with Nitta too, but should I expect her to act like a saint and change her way of life after how their relationship ended? That would be even more unnatural.

[Darknemo2000]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

She was never a maiden princess. Get over your romantic ideals.

No one said she was. Despite being quite a bit younger than Nitta she had much much more experirience than he did, but despite taht it doesnt mean she has to let all that development go to drain just like that.

Shes hurt, yes, but is that a reason to go bback to being a cheap whore again? No. Find a new love, absolutely, but if those moments with nitta meant for her anything at all she wouldnt be stepping so low anymore as being a whore. Shows how little they actually meant to her, which is what I mean with no real development.

She was a whore and she stays the same whore. I expected more considering that 23 chapters passed.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

No one said she was. Despite being quite a bit younger than Nitta she had much much more experirience than he did, but despite taht it doesnt mean she has to let all that development go to drain just like that.

Shes hurt, yes, but is that a reason to go bback to being a cheap whore again? No. Find a new love, absolutely, but if those moments with nitta meant for her anything at all she wouldnt be stepping so low anymore as being a whore. Shows how little they actually meant to her, which is what I mean with no real development.

She was a whore and she stays the same whore. I expected more considering that 23 chapters passed.

Again, you're expecting her to act like a moral saint despite what happened. Expecting her to take advice from someone who tossed her aside is unrealistic. Nitta and Kano did not have a special relationship... at least not yet.

They were working towards one, but in the end Kano was nothing more than a nuisance Nitta was blackmailed to babysit and Nitta was just a boytoy. Turning your life around for someone you don't give a crap about does not happen.

[Xaturas]

To be frank kano can stay whore or whatever she wants, I don't care about her that much.
I'm more woried about nitta being backstabed again by this new girl and whoever she works with.
First he got backstabed by some Callgirl (or whatever she was), then he was used by kano, but he didn't give a crap about that, and now if he will be backstabed again by his love (or so does he think) it will greatly impact his character. To be frank I wouldn't mind if he got together with that glasss girl from his work, but who knows maybe she also has some dirt hidden.

[AcroDave]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

... but in the end Kano was nothing more than a nuisance Nitta was blackmailed to babysit and Nitta was just a boytoy. Turning your life around for someone you don't give a crap about does not happen.

That pretty much sums it up, and exactly why so many feel disappointed. We were all thinking that their relationship would actually mean something to both of them. If nothing is going to change.... what's the point? The whole story is empty.

Originally Posted by Xaturas

To be frank I wouldn't mind if he got together with that glasses girl from his work...

Yeah no kidding. At this point, she seems to be the only likable character in the whole story. Female mangakas write the most fucked-up stories.

[Khalil]

Geder flip Kano and Nitta (and tone down the sex scenes a wee bit), and you've got a pretty standard shojo story.

[Darknemo2000]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Again, you're expecting her to act like a moral saint despite what happened. Expecting her to take advice from someone who tossed her aside is unrealistic. Nitta and Kano did not have a special relationship... at least not yet.

What the hell are you talking about?

Moral saint? Bullcrap. Not being a whore and searching for a new love is moral saint? Then the majority of population are moral saints.

There were no real advices from Nitta, Nitta's words are not important, he himself is not important its the feelings that he supposed to evoke for the first time in Kano that are important.

If they were important she would not go back to whoring herself. But it shows that they never were important as a hard cock, this what is disappointing because we are back at square one just that now Kano;s feelings cannot be trusting (as long as she is content she is fine but you just never know if after another argument or drama she would not go back to being a whore, simply no trust in her character anymore).

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

What the hell are you talking about?

Moral saint? Bullcrap. Not being a whore and searching for a new love is moral saint? Then the majority of population are moral saints.

There were no real advices from Nitta, Nitta's words are not important, he himself is not important its the feelings that he supposed to evoke for the first time in Kano that are important.

If they were important she would not go back to whoring herself. But it shows that they never were important as a hard cock, this what is disappointing because we are back at square one just that now Kano;s feelings cannot be trusting (as long as she is content she is fine but you just never know if after another argument or drama she would not go back to being a whore, simply no trust in her character anymore).

Taking the advice of someone you either dislike or do not care about is not something people would normally do. I don't know what kind of fairy tale world you live in, but people don't do a complete 180 and change their lifestyle because of someone they don't care about.

Their relationship was never special or "important". Nitta ended it before it ever became anything important. Yet, you somehow expect Kano to see the error of her ways from absolutely nothing and change her lifestyle as if Nitta was that important to her.

Keep in mind that Nitta didn't exactly care about Kano all the times he had sex with her. What "feelings" is he supposed to invoke within Kano when his heart was never truly in their relationship in the first place?

[Tenchi Ryu]

I've just gotten into this series, and have been spoiling myself to discussions about future chapters, but it didn't surprise me at all. I understand people are angry with Kano, and what she's doing is not right. But personally, this revelation of what she just did strengthens my hopes that her and Nitta do NOT end up together. I feel for Nitta at times, because while some blame him for not really opening up for her, how could he? At times, he felt like nothing more than just a dick to fuck, and guys do not give feelings to someone who seems not to care about him.

I know that she did start open up, but Nitta is that kind of person that needs a normal relationship, and even though this new girl is being paid, he's getting that, and he's visibly happier.

I can understand where Darknemo2000 is coming from. Kano is the type of person imo that's just a lost cause, or will probably never be able to have a healthy relationship. Her attitude of sex hinders her from learning any better, and like DN2000 said, we've gone through 23 chapters of wasted material.

Now what I would like to see happen is that these two could use these experiences to LEARN about the mistakes both have made, but this probably is a manga where the two leads shouldn't end up together.

[Key Board]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

Theres a difference between sex and orgy threesomes with random guys. Not everyone do this, thats for sure.

She is a an orgy whore thus tries to fill the void with dicks, but most importantly it ruined the development of 23 chapters. She started as an orgy whore and she ends as an orgy whore. I don't think there will be 3 more volumes to redo the development, most likely it will be solved in the 4th volume which means that there simply will be no development for her from being an orgy whore.

Even if she gets with Nitta and shown as a happy couple, she will be just a currently happy whore, but you just never know if after a single argument again she will not go screwing around with threesomes, foursomes or whatever, filling the voids in her holes.

So you would not be upset if she just had sex with one person to vent out her depression instead of going to an orgy?

It seem to me that all the dislike for Kano comes from for primarily her being promiscuous, which I think is the not the moral issue at all.

The moral issue is she blackmailed another person to be her boy toy. That's a serious crime. Orgies are not.

I don't sense that the main goal of the story is for Kano to stop being a slut. I sense that the main goal of a story is for Kano to learn how to stop objectifying Nitta, stop being a social retard, and be in control of her own emotional feelings. They could be an open relationship couple by the end and still go to orgies and that would still be a happy ending.

[Darknemo2000]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Taking the advice of someone you either dislike or do not care about is not something people would normally do. I don't know what kind of fairy tale world you live in, but people don't do a complete 180 and change their lifestyle because of someone they don't care about.

There are a lot of lifechanging experiences because of someone who does not care about you. The most important is not the person but the feelings that person evokes even if he doenst care about you. Kano for the first time started kissing and enjoying that instead of being frigid, it shows a lot of intimacy and her acting in between imples that she was falling in love with him.

And believe me - love is the emotion that can change the life 180 even if the person doenst care about you.

Originally Posted by Key Board

So you would not be upset if she just had sex with one person to vent out her depression instead of going to an orgy?

I would not be happy like I am not happy with nittaxRumi as I support (or supported at this point) KanoxNitta, but yeah - this way she would learn something and take something from the experience of the feelings she had for Nitta.

So I would be ok with her finding another lover. Not pleasant as it is not pleasant in watching NittaxRumi but it would not ruin her development.

There is quite a difference beetween finding a lower and being an orgy whore.

[Tenchi Ryu]

Originally Posted by Key Board

So you would not be upset if she just had sex with one person to vent out her depression instead of going to an orgy?

It seem to me that all the dislike for Kano comes from for primarily her being promiscuous, which I think is the not the moral issue at all.

The moral issue is she blackmailed another person to be her boy toy. That's a serious crime. Orgies are not.

I don't sense that the main goal of the story is for Kano to stop being a slut. I sense that the main goal of a story is for Kano to learn how to stop objectifying Nitta, stop being a social retard, and be in control of her own emotional feelings. They could be an open relationship couple by the end and still go to orgies and that would still be a happy ending.

I agree with everything except the bolded part. Nitta is not the kind of person who would accept a open relationship. From what we've seen from him, he's just a simple man who wants simplicity, a normal stable relationship that's traditional. He's somewhat getting that now. The main reason he doesn't care about Kano doing it is cause he doesn't care for her. And the other instances were more of spur of the moment type things.

Otherwise, 1 girlfriend, loving sex, and no cold responses. That's what Nitta wants, and I don't think Kano can supply that in her current condition.

[Shadow5YA]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

There are a lot of lifechanging experiences because of someone who does not care about you. The most important is not the person but the feelings that person evokes even if he doenst care about you. Kano for the first time started kissing and enjoying that instead of being frigid, it shows a lot of intimacy and her acting in between imples that she was falling in love with him.

And believe me - love is the emotion that can change the life 180 even if the person doenst care about you.

You think kissing and enjoying sex implies love? There are porn stars that can get off doing that in movies. Love is not always present.

Kano did not love Nitta. Their relationship ended before she ever grew to love him. Whatever feelings Nitta evoked within Kano was not love.

[Darknemo2000]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

You think kissing and enjoying sex implies love? There are porn stars that can get off doing that in movies. Love is not always present.

Kano did not love Nitta. Their relationship ended before she ever grew to love him. Whatever feelings Nitta evoked within Kano was not love.

In this manga kissing implieas a whole lot. Hell even the name of the manga is Velvet Kiss. Thats why Kano never did that and never responded that and only started responding (and even kissed him herself once) only later when they got closer.

It certainly wasn't sexual attraction because she would have been all sensitive and moaning since the beginning but she was rather frigid and only after the episodes like children visiting, shopping together etc her sensitive increased. It implies romance rather than sexual attraction.

Frankly this manga is messed up. It pretty much killed development in romance, and in terms of sex scenes it is pretty crappy compared to actual h mangas and it still keeps on pushing these half baked sex scenes until you want to throw up, but now as it turns out the development in non-h part was pretty much meaningless, so sex is pretty much the most that this manga has to offer right now and it seriously sucks at it.

[Key Board]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

There is quite a difference beetween finding a lower and being an orgy whore.

but she's not looking for another Nitta
she's looking for a REBOUND after being heartbroken

and what happens during rebounds? pity/comfort sex
the only difference is she's screwing more than one guy

It's all the same whether she has pity sex with one guy or five

On another note. Have any of you guys ever seen Rumbling Hearts/Kimi go NOzomu Eien?

Spoiler:

remember when Mitsuki was depressed as hell and decided to screw a bunch of random strangers? Well she only ended up having sex with one person. But did that mean that her estranged boyfriend didn't matter to her anymore?

No, it meant that she was hurt and depressed as and wanted instant gratification. And she was far from being a slut. It's just something that A LOT of women do when they are terribly hurt.

[Xaturas]

Originally Posted by Key Board

but she's not looking for another Nitta
she's looking for a REBOUND after being heartbroken

and what happens during rebounds? pity/comfort sex
the only difference is she's screwing more than one guy

It's all the same whether she has pity sex with one guy or five

On another note. Have any of you guys ever seen Rumbling Hearts/Kimi go NOzomu Eien?

Spoiler:

remember when Mitsuki was depressed as hell and decided to screw a bunch of random strangers? Well she only ended up having sex with one person. But did that mean that her estranged boyfriend didn't matter to her anymore? No, it meant that she was hurt and depressed as and wanted instant gratification. And she was far from being a slut. It's just something that A LOT of women do when they are terribly hurt

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