Who can fight the summons?

[UserName]

Originally Posted by Nine Devil

No, Aone&Anbu(i think this one) was the only one saying that. Itachi never did say anything about being equal nor that Jiraiya is stronger than himself.

The manga says it. At least the translation I read. And manga = more accurate than anime. I'm not sure if it was a good translation or not, but either way Itachi says that, and if you go by other things from what people say then Jiraiya is at least equal to Itachi.

[Genei Killua]

My translation doesn't say that. It goes as so:

Kisame: You can fight how and where you want, but I don't know... the time is wrong.

Itachi: Ah. To meet those two and kill them. It's a good place to fight. So they can't increase the number of people they have.

Hmm, but this sounds like it could be a mistranslation. But I dunno.

[hokagenaruto3]

that time, the manga TRANSLATION was incorrect, not the manga. the anime had it right. All versions of it. Itachi clearly admitted that no matter with hoe many men he came, the best he could do was kill Jiaraiya, but die along with him.
No questions about that.

[Genei Killua]

But that is kind of a stupid thing to say. So, he's saying that with the Akatsuki organization, he still couldn't kill Jiraiya and survive? He couldn't kill Jiraiya with all the kages from all the ages at his side? He couldn't kill Jiraiya and remain unharmed with every other ninja that ever lived fighting with him? So yeah, that statement seems kinda silly. That us, unless he knows something we don't, such as if Jiraiya has a move whereby all life as we know it ends when he dies... but that's kinda stupid.

[UserName]

Originally Posted by Genei Killua

But that is kind of a stupid thing to say. So, he's saying that with the Akatsuki organization, he still couldn't kill Jiraiya and survive? He couldn't kill Jiraiya with all the kages from all the ages at his side? He couldn't kill Jiraiya and remain unharmed with every other ninja that ever lived fighting with him? So yeah, that statement seems kinda silly. That us, unless he knows something we don't, such as if Jiraiya has a move whereby all life as we know it ends when he dies... but that's kinda stupid.

Will the other Akatsuki help him for his own mission will the other kage help him for his own mission?

And consider the 3rd. If there were more people he was facing, he would just make anohter kagebunshin and do that move. Jiraiya may have a move like that(not sealing) but say giving his life, is able to take as many people with him as he wants.

Genei Killua which translation is that? That doesn't seem to right... it 'might' be correct. But the one i read said something along the lines as the same thing anbu/aone translated it to.

[Mezu]

ANBU/AONE Episode 83 Translation Dialogue:
Kisame : Perhaps you can fight him evenly... but I cannot. He's too strong.
Itachi : Yes, if we both fought him, we would both be killed... or in a good case, we might kill him, but we'd die along with him. Even if we had more men, that result would not change.
Kisame : His caretaker is a legenday Sannin. Konoha's Uchicha clan and the Mist's Seven Shinobi-gatana seem petty before his name.
Itachi : Yes, but... All strong opponents have a weakness.

[Nine Devil]

Originally Posted by UserName

The manga says it. At least the translation I read. And manga = more accurate than anime. I'm not sure if it was a good translation or not, but either way Itachi says that, and if you go by other things from what people say then Jiraiya is at least equal to Itachi.

Ah the common mistake, that chapters weren't translated by inane but a group who sucked at translation. They made a lot of mistakes. Well i had the inane version before and i uploaded on a thread i don't remember.(It was long ago) try to get the inane chapter or if you can find the thread, you will get the answer for it.

[Nine Devil]

Originally Posted by Genei Killua

My translation doesn't say that. It goes as so:

Kisame: You can fight how and where you want, but I don't know... the time is wrong.

Itachi: Ah. To meet those two and kill them. It's a good place to fight. So they can't increase the number of people they have.

Hmm, but this sounds like it could be a mistranslation. But I dunno.

This was the correct translation or atleast on the same line with Inane's.

Originally Posted by hokagenaruto3

that time, the manga TRANSLATION was incorrect, not the manga. the anime had it right. All versions of it. Itachi clearly admitted that no matter with hoe many men he came, the best he could do was kill Jiaraiya, but die along with him.
No questions about that.

Rofl, don't jump to conclusions mate. You are the wrong one: A&A and the incorrect manga translation were the only ones who said that, but all the other fansubbers(so next time don't shout out all the versions, cuz all the versions were different than the A&A) had it right.

And lets call this discussion to an end because its already been discussed many times, just use search.

P.S Sorry for the double post, All the sannin and hokage can beat a summon lord.

[UserName]

Well why not try TW's translation. I belive there are good aren't they? AK of Troy did a summary of it I belive, since I think Naruto was liscensed then. If you bohter looking for it, you will find that it's along the lines of the translation I read and AA's translation.

What was said in SO's version? And what do you mean all version other than AA had it right? What did they have?

And that translation you are refering to, where is it from? And also it's only 2 lines of the whole 4 lines that i'm talking about.

[CommS007]

Originally Posted by Nine Devil

This was the correct translation or atleast on the same line with Inane's.

And never did understand the line to meet those 2 and kill them.
Itachi goal never was to kill anyone exactly yet at that moment....

Well the Kages and the sannin can beat a summon, imho...

[Nine Devil]

Originally Posted by UserName

Well why not try TW's translation. I belive there are good aren't they? AK of Troy did a summary of it I belive, since I think Naruto was liscensed then. If you bohter looking for it, you will find that it's along the lines of the translation I read and AA's translation.

What was said in SO's version? And what do you mean all version other than AA had it right? What did they have?

And that translation you are refering to, where is it from? And also it's only 2 lines of the whole 4 lines that i'm talking about.

TW? Hmm sure show me, The fansubs other than A&A had the translation like Killiua posted. Its from Inane--->you know them right?

[UserName]

Originally Posted by Nine Devil

TW? Hmm sure show me, The fansubs other than A&A had the translation like Killiua posted. Its from Inane--->you know them right?

TW > Inane. But what did those 'other' fansubs say. You might just be making it up. I'll show you if i can find it. He put a summary in one of the chapter topics on TW not sure if it's there or not.

[mr_belette]

don't you think that an "unsummon" jutsu can exist ??

[VMLM3]

Damn I actually hadn't thought of that...
Don't think so though, at the start of the three way fight they would've all just summon and then unsummon their animals (or just not bother summoning at all).

I don't think taking on a non-boss summon would require a kage level or sannin level ninja. Both Zabuza and Kakashi used that water dragon jutsu, and they must know other jutsus just as powerful. The reason they didn't use them during the fight is probably that they where already face to face and it took a long time for them to form the seals for the water dragon (remember the third does that earth elemental dragon techqnique against Oro in just a few seconds). The only reason Zabuza and consequentially Kakasi performed that techqnique was because Kakashi suggested it to Zabuza through hypnosis.

[Mezu]

kakashi knows over 1000 techniques... its not a question whether he can take a boss summon or not.

[Nine Devil]

Originally Posted by UserName

TW > Inane. But what did those 'other' fansubs say. You might just be making it up. I'll show you if i can find it. He put a summary in one of the chapter topics on TW not sure if it's there or not.

Lol don't believe me ? Just do a good search as i said you will find all your answers so please back on topic

[UserName]

Originally Posted by Nine Devil

Lol don't believe me ? Just do a good search as i said you will find all your answers so please back on topic

OK I won't go any further with this. You obviously won't there check what I say because you know I'm right. I actually bothered to check other translations. So far 3 is right.

I won't bother responding to what you say in regards to this since you will just ignore whatever I say.

[Shay]

I have just noticed something else.

I don't think Kakashi can open anymore gates than Lee, If he could then why would he bother using Sharingan whilst watching Lee's fight?

He also asked Gai how many gates Lee could open. And when Gai said five, he was like hmmm, and out popped Sharingan.

Really don't know why I even bothered making this post because anyone with half a brain would know that Kakashi woulden't stand a chance against the likes of Gama or Manda.

[silentpixel]

Originally Posted by Ke0

yeah cause he'll burn a 5 foot wide hole on them man Itachi is hella overrated on these boards, he isn't god

:werd: I agree

[nh1]

Originally Posted by Genei Killua

Um, not really. Look at the size of them. A kunai stab would be like a mosquito bite. A fully-powered rasengan to Manda's head would blow it apart. And a chidori through one of Gamabunta's legs would be a fatal blow.

Um, not really. Look at the size of them. A chidori would be like a shaving-cut in Manda's face. The only possibility I see of defeating them, would be if someone took a swing at them with a sword of their own size. There's only one person we've seen able to do that so far, Tsunade.

I don't really see the arguments for Itachi, is it just because a lot of you love him so much that you have to bring him into the discussion? Or do you really believe that Amaterasu is capable of defeating a summon king, without even knowing how it works?