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In other words, it simply doesn't make sense to me for God to be understandable (by the human mind), and since science was created by humanity, it cannot understand God. Quote:
That being said, to clarify my posts. I have no real conception (of course, I have a basic conception of what I would want God to be like (yes my own limitations ), but that can't really be said to be "real") of God (if there is a God). I am certainly not trying to deride other's faith and beliefs, wishing instead to simply put forth my extraordinarily basic ideas. Any classical theism acts as a perfect example of unnecesary limits on God's power. And even many of the open theistic current religions still limit God's power by making it unable to see the future (though this limit could or could not be justifiable depending on how one wishes to view reality). |
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I would *love* to believe that something of the individual exists post-death. I have no evidence at all that such a thing happens.
I *do* know this: the waves on an ocean appear for a while, have form and duration, but then vanish. Each wave has an effect on companion waves and future waves. The ocean is the underlying permanence in relation to the waves.
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What's your belief regarding your own conscious on death, do you see it vanishing? |
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....are you trying to argue that an afterlife must exist, given only that it hasn't been proven false?
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Though I'm not implying that it *must* exist. What I'm trying to show is that it (scientifically and logically) goes both ways. It would be both *reasonable* if it existed or not. The negativity had led me to try and explain this balance. Quote:
What I can only say as direct response to that remark is.....I'm glad. A double negative to form a positive? Who is doing this? |
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Finally, we are at clear. Now, you may start reading my past posts---since, you've evidently have not done so---and, from there, please report your responses and counterclaims. If any (or all) seems vague then I challenge you to have that will of asking me to clarify.
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Very well, then I guess I have to repeat the process. It goes without saying, but feel free to counter. What is *this* "reality"? An unproven state of conditions commonly perceived as "natural". What is science? The ability to produce solutions in some problem domain. If you connect the attribute of "reality"'s unproven condition with its scientific sets of laws, what you get is the system of the "reality". However, in truth, what you only get is a system of a *possible* false reality. This *possibility* is where I center my argument. If "reality" itself is non-*solid* fact, how much can its "science" be? This is what I meant by a science over a "science". Around the unproven "science" we have, we *may* have that *truer* science that allows our natural "laws" bended. Inter alia, I give you amnesty to correct me. |
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As Ascaloth already told you, you must provide some kind of evidence to make the belief 'reasonable,' as you claimed it was a few posts up. As it stands, all you have done is opened the door for the most minute probability, much like I can't be sure a unicorn isn't about to impale me. Can I disprove it? No. Should I believe it? No.
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I know what you're saying, and I'm telling you it isn't equal. Just because we don't understand scientifically these matters does not give your theory of an afterlife any weight. The truth is, we have no idea how much weight it carries.
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It's actually a bit silly to expect a complete, scientifically acceptable rationale for such abstract concepts such as "faith" and "belief" on the basis that... at least for most cases of science as a method relying on and evidence for proof of existence/method cannot really be applied for concepts that are, for all intents and puposes, purely mental.
Faith and belief exist only so far inside the mind (and the heart, but that's a whole different matter) and cannot exactly provide for itself a tangible, physical manifestation that is able to confirm it's own "existence." This is precisely one of the metaphysical problematic of faith and belief for centuries, aside of course from confirming the end-result of faith and belief itself.
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