2009-10-12, 05:39 | Link #1181 |
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Well my own current unifying theory of the true perpetrator, which I'm still evaluating and refining before I ever come out and say it, does involve some sort of a mastermind.
If there is a mastermind, he obviously isn't a piece of either Beato or Battler. The thing is, with only 18 people on the island, we have to reasses which ones can be considered a piece of Beato and a piece of Battler. If the mastermind is constant in the game, he'd have to be on the island and not be one of the murdered people, at least until the end. I highly doubt a mastermind would orchestrate his own murder, a real death or a faked one, until his primary goals have been achieved. As it stands, the only person who constantly survives until the end is Ushiromiya Battler.
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2009-10-12, 06:16 | Link #1182 |
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I posted this in another thread:
The possibility exists that the person who uses the name "Kanon" on Beatrice's gameboard has never died. The details of that theory are in that post I made. I'm not saying that Kanon is the mastermind, I'm just saying that it's possible that Battler isn't the only one surviving each time. Also, regarding the number of people on the island what about this: EPISODE 2 No one exists in this room except all of you. All of you refers to Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, and Shannon When Jessica's corpse was discovered, only Battler, George, Maria, Rosa, Genji, Gohda, Shannon, Kumasawa, and Nanjo were in Jessica's room [Whoops, the corpse of] Jessica is also included Therefore, both in the case of Jessica's room and the case in this servants' room, no humans exist that are you were not aware of No one is hiding Beatrice is only referring to the humans in the rooms therefore ninja culprit X is running around killing people. EPISODE 3 Way before the first twilight occurs Beatrice says: There are no more than 18 people on this Rokkenjima Right after she says that the culprit(or culprits) takes a boat to Rokkenjima. The red is not violated because it was true at the time. Then the culprit(or culprits) kills at least 4 people. Kinzo is already dead and see my previous theory for why "Kanon" may also be already dead. Next we get Virgilia saying, "There are no more than 19 people on this island". Kinzo is already dead and Beatrice lowered the number of people on the island because dead people don't count as people on the island anymore. Therefore this red is not violated. That Kinzo rule also applies when Eva-Beatrice says, There are no more than 18 people on this island. EPISODE 4 All the reds come after everyone is dead so just apply the Kinzo rule and you can have as many as 16 extra culprits on the island. EPISODE 5 The number of other people existing on the island is exactly the same as in the previous games. That's great. So if we can't rule out that people are sneaking onto the island from the other games we don't know how the number of people on the island changes. Lambda also says: In short, the number of people in the parlor at this moment is the same as the number of people existing on the island. The culprit(or culprits) is hiding in the parlor at the moment of the red declaration! Listening to everyone's conversation. I think that theory might be a stretch but what worries me is the fact that there is no way to absolutely disprove it.
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2009-10-12, 09:27 | Link #1183 | |
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2009-10-12, 09:54 | Link #1184 |
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I don't think I understood your use of time. 24:00 into October 6 meaning the final list of survivors with all the previous murder sets achieved, or the 24:00 at the beginning of October 6, meaning the first set of murders have just occurred?
Thing is, unless I'm mistaken, all the people alive at the island at that point has survived past the first set at least once. On the other hand, as you've listed those 6 are the only ones who have ever made it into the the final survivor's list. I would add Natsuhi to that list though she died from a head wound (this is still debatable even now) at almost the exact time of midnight. Of course I don't think we have enough evidence yet to deduce a possible mindset of a possible mastermind, however it is probably more likely to first consider that the mastermind who is the same in every game would ideally want to survive his gambit. As it stands, only Battler fits this role (discounting being shot by Eva in Ep3, maybe he survives?). And yet, we may need to discount Battler as the mastermind as the "detective" prior to that bitch Erika, as well as being the continuous existence of Piece Battler of Ep1 into Meta-Battler.
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2009-10-12, 11:56 | Link #1186 |
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I only trust red text regarding the "who?" and "how?" elements of each murder.
I think the answer regarding why each murder was committed will only be answered in white text for most cases. I think most white text is important especially the epitaph. How sure are you that starting phrase has to be a word that is of 11 letters in length and that the key is letters as well? Let's say the starting phrase is quadrillion. Quadrillion and is 1,000,000,000,000,000 in decimal. What if it's binary? Let's also assume as you said that the key is LIQUID then I'll assume that the letters of the alphabet have corresponding numeric values. A = 1, B= 2, C= 3, etc. This leads to 12 - 9 - 17 - 21 - 9 - 4. Convert that to binary -> 0110 - 0101 - 10001 - 10101 - 0101 - 0100 Quadrillion converted to binary is -> 00111000110101111110101001001100011010000000000000 00 I'm not sure how you would combine them though. The problem is you want to end up with a number that can be represented by using a maximum of 5 bits per character so up 25 bits would be needed when you convert back to decimal then convert again to get the 5 final letters of the alphabet.
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2009-10-12, 12:03 | Link #1187 |
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Ah! I've tried binary and other systems conversions in the case of 07151129, I even tried exadecimal conversion however this led me to a whole nothing XD
This number has been examined in so many ways that the fact that by mere chance not even a possible asnwer has been found is per se an inexplicable mystery XD
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2009-10-12, 12:54 | Link #1188 | |
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Have Rosa and Maria ever been staked?
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Not necessarily, since the existence of two Battlers has been hinted. One of them may have been the detective, and the other one the killer. This may explain why we saw Eva shooting Battler, at the end of EP3.
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2009-10-12, 14:51 | Link #1191 | |
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Not for episodes 1 through 4. The tips say they died by some sort of slashing weapon in episode 5 but no stake is found in their body.
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Bernkastel and Erika entered without any permission and if the mastermind really does have a meta world counterpart I don't think anyone allowed entry.
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Hmm... that's odd. It's been 5 episodes and those two have never been staked, along with Battler. Quote:
Well, that's what I think based on the fact she supposed to have absolute control over that place. If I'm wrong, I'd be glad if someone corrects me.
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2009-10-12, 15:50 | Link #1194 | |
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It's unclear how much control she ever had because she needed Lambda's help.
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2009-10-12, 16:17 | Link #1196 | |
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But regarding Beatrice, I don't think she has the ability to prevent any voyager type witch or greater from entering the meta world if they really wanted to enter undetected.
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