2013-06-05, 13:11 | Link #1 |
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possible new law who can affect animes/mangas/ln
hello guys i was reading some others forums when i see this:
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...y-law-revision for what i read the japaneses is about to make a really big change in the anime/manga/ln marked with a "possible new law", according to this new law the "lolicons" and shotacons will be doomed, because this will be restric the use of "too much young characters(lolis) in fanservice/ecchi scenes/panels, and will rise the of the minimum age to buys many mangas/animes/ln with this type of material to 18 years. looks like finally the days of the lolicons at end, the world is doomed. here is the full story: Spoiler:
another link about: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...-revision-bill Spoiler:
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2013-06-05, 14:55 | Link #6 | |
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Frankly, I wouldn't mind all female characters hit puberty before showing up on a anime-related media.
It is just so many good classics (I.E Kamidori alchemist) feature at least one loli character, and shooting a otherwise great game for one character is dumb and stupid. Quote:
So police might as well ring around anime/sci-fi convention and mass arrest everyone there for pedophilia and be done with it. |
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2013-06-05, 15:16 | Link #7 | |
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the only who really be affected are the "ecchi" or too much overboard fanservice with this law for what i see |
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2013-06-05, 15:24 | Link #8 |
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I really doubt that this is enforceable. Unless they actually intend to jail every last otaku out there. I mean, given how the overwhelming majority of anime is now focused on high school characters, just about all of it would run afoul of the "Under 18" standard.
While it is true that many professional made anime never get explicitly sexual, or even ecchi, with its characters (K-On, Madoka Magica, etc...), the issue with these will be the fanworks. So this law to me sounds like classic overreaching, which is often done for PR show rather than anything concrete.
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2013-06-05, 16:12 | Link #9 | ||||
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The issue with this proposed amendment is the incredibly vague definition.
By Dan Kanemitsu, who has covered this issue extensively. Quote:
The biggest issue is the chilling effect as artists, publishers, and distributors take measures to avoid any risk of running afoul of this poorly-defined law. It's one thing to have a rating slapped on you, but another when you may face time in jail. Thinking "nothing happened last time, and nothing will happen again" is pretty naive because this is an entirely different level of law trying to do an entirely different thing. The amendment also proposed to perform an investigation of the connection between sexual violence against children and anime/manga, and amend the law further in three years based on that investigation. But it does not say that the investigation will be performed by an objective third-party or be subject to any external oversight. So if the government wants to, they can just appoint whoever they want to arrive at a conclusion they want, and then they're required to change the law in light of that conclusion. Quote:
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2013-06-05, 17:04 | Link #11 | |
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Besides, I don't even understand this attitude. If we just shrug at every law or legislation put forward like "meh, nothing will happen", how will you be able to tell when something actually will happen, and by then won't it be too late? It's pretty damn important to protest bad poorly-written legislation, even if you don't think it's realistically enforceable to the most extreme extent imaginable. (Not everyone wants to play a game of "chicken" with the police when they can change the rules whenever they want with no recourse.)
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2013-06-05, 17:26 | Link #12 | ||
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So really, what more can we do than hope for the best?
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2013-06-05, 17:32 | Link #13 | |
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The last thing we want is that the Japanese legislators will listen to what people from other countries have to say on the subject. Still I've become so much accustomed to scaremongering articles about censorship of anime in Japan that I can't help but taking this with a grain of salt.
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2013-06-05, 18:10 | Link #14 | |
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For those who are asking what mashima's tweets could be all about, he's actually referring to this: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...-revision-bill Ken Akamatsu, mashima's friend, has been opposing the bill. Mashima retweeted the Huffington Post Japan tweet that Akamatsu was talking about. Mashima retweeted a new article on the subject, then posted a tweet of how this bill could have an impact on Fairy Tail. He then stated that he's for things that would help to stop child pornography and such, but passing a bill that regulates anime and manga is a separate matter. In short, Mashima has not been censored. He's responding to a request to help raise awareness of a badly written, overreaching law, that if passed, could badly affect anime and manga. and today allmost of the ft cast in gmg allmost of the mashima characters are 18+ only we have 4 characters under this age and only 2 of then have bath scenes(wendy and chelia) we have wendy, chelia, romeo and asuka, and only wendy and chelia was used for fanservice very light only with bikini scenes all others characters already at 18+ age even lucy, from the start of the manga until tenroujima arc passed 6 months then we get the 7 years timeskip then their get back near the start of 791 year then we get another 6 months until gmg who give to everyone who get in tenroujima at last 1 year old of age and the others aged 7 years this means who now natsu and gray are at last in 19 years old, lucy is at 18(her birth is july 1, she made 18 1 day before gmg start). this almost no effect FT, and even the ovas are sold restricted to 18 years old age. and this only will affect true strong ecchi mangas/animes and good amount of fanservice, pool and beachs still being possible, and swinsuits this only will be more about "bath" scenes(nude), like i said the onlys manga/animes who will really be hurt are the onlys who are heavy created around the ecchi like to love ru or sora no otoshimono. well the way who the law is it at now indeed is few crazy their need make some clearing like making this to guys and girls around 14 or less age(who are childrens) heavy law, for guys and girls between 15 and 16 a few more soft let only fanservice like the bath scenes without any real sexual action or pantsu shots and things like that then 17+ being more ecchi. today we have childrend 0-14 15-17 - teenager 18+ adult |
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Of course he has not been "censored"; he is describing the steps he feels he would need to take to avoid being put at risk by the proposed law if it passes. This isn't something he's being forced to do by any means. The whole principle of the thing is the fear that, if he didn't take such steps, he and his readers are at risk of being arrested according to what the law says. And he wouldn't want to put his readers at risk, even if he were willing to take the risk himself. Quote:
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And besides, even if it were only to go after the works that are centred around ecchi... that still isn't really okay, if you ask me.
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2013-06-05, 18:27 | Link #16 | |
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because the law make clear who their not saying who is proibited to draw yooungs in manga/anime but make then do "sexual things" or things who many viewers seeying as sexual, like naked baths, pantsu shots, grab boobs and things like that, just draw young characters does not be "against the law", it's more like what their are "doing". |
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2013-06-05, 18:28 | Link #17 | |
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Well, this new law is admittedly pretty threatening. If followed due to a chilling ripple effect, it would thoroughly sterilize anime shows that revolve primarily around teenaged characters. So how this law shakes out is definitely something worth following, and paying attention to.
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2013-06-05, 18:31 | Link #18 | |
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But anyway, as was said, this law isn't about sales restrictions (which is what the city of Tokyo could do), but about actual content prohibition (which is what the national government can do). Yeah, I agree with what you said earlier that what we can do is limited (although there was an industry group looking for foreign donations to help with lobbying). At the very least, it's worth being informed about it, because it certainly has an impact on the creators and fans in Japan (even if the biggest immediate impact is increased tension/animosity towards a government increasingly out of touch with today's culture).
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2013-06-05, 18:44 | Link #20 | |
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That aside, though... there is one weird thing. The entire basis of the law as written is that the person depicted is under 18. In eroge, they have that clear warning in front of every game that "all characters depicted are 18 years of age or older". So, it seems to me that this could open the door to a sort of legal defence where someone would have to prove that the character depicted can only be under 18. Of course, most people can't necessarily afford to go to court over this sort of thing, and you never know what sort of standard will be applied there either... But I suppose, if nothing else, this could conceivably result in a whole lot of anime having a whole lot of characters "magically" turn 18, and a whole lot of "high schools" turning into "academies".
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