2013-04-26, 11:55 | Link #161 |
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To Samari:
Just to let you know, Tony Stark hasn't been a weak drunk nerd in years. He took his superhero job seriously, which included shaping up. His body is the weakest link, which is why Tony in the comics and movie tries his best to keep his physical fitness and combat ability progressing. It only makes sense; suit or not, he now fights on a regular basis. If you fight, you would want to train. Knowing martial arts moves also helps when he is in the armour.
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2013-04-26, 22:03 | Link #162 | |
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2013-04-27, 03:52 | Link #163 |
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So I assume you will demand that Stark be a weakling for all future films? Even though you just saw what he could do in IM3? I look forward to you complaining about the same thing all over again in Avengers 2.
Do realise that they aren't going to dedicate any time in the film for training montages. This isn't Rocky. They give hints that he learned some martial arts, and that's it. But they aren't going to focus on it because it is a waste of screen time. This is not a TV series, they would dedicate what part of the film be spent on what. Tony is now a reasonably competent fighter. You can accept that or not, but that won't change the official events.
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2013-04-27, 07:18 | Link #164 | |
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Stark doesn't have to know martial arts in order not to be a weakling. He's a genius and has built powerful suits of armor. How does that make him weak? Did you really think he was weak before he was doing his Jackie Chan stunts? And saying that it isn't necessary to dedicate any screen time to something important to the story is just an excuse for lazy writing. Please. By that logic you can make up whatever element within any story and not have to have any exposition at all because it isn't convenient to your time constraints. A montage wasn't even necessary, but they could do better than a glimpse of a wooden fighting stand. That could mean anything. They could have had some throwaway lines. That would have been better than what was offered, which was speculative at best. And reasonably competent fighter is different from being a Harlem Globetrotter martial artist. Dude was dodging bullets and bouncing off walls practically. The only thing I've accepted is that it's a major plot hole. Because that was what was provided. Unfortunately you'll just have to deal with that reality.
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2013-04-27, 10:27 | Link #165 |
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Sorry but I have to agree with Vallen Chaos Valiant about Tony's ass kicking ability in Iron Man 3 is not inconsistent.
We know from Iron Man 2 that he has already been training in combat focused mix martial arts, on top of that during Avengers he meets lots of physically superior superhumans/demi-gods who more than once makes fun of him about how he is nothing without his armour (heck even normal people like Hawkeye and Black Widow would remind Tony how he's not much help without his armour). I really don't think Tony in that one year after New York is just going to go "well I've got my armours and I'm going to make more of them!" and just going to shrug off that glaring physical weakness of his which is pointed out so many times - especially one of the point of Iron Man 3 is that he was preparing for war/invasion the entire time, it would be logical to think he'd been training his ass off just in the case where he would come across a situation where he would be without his suit, and just like that line he said in the movie - real man have backup plans (or something like that), and just relying on his suits is not a backup plan.
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2013-04-27, 17:18 | Link #166 | |
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2013-04-27, 23:15 | Link #167 | |
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Again, when the series had hammered on the point on "Tony Stark is useless without his armour" for a few times already and the movie about him preparing for all out invasion from god knows who, it's really logical that Tony is going to train to be at least be as capable as a good secret service agent type.
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2013-04-28, 09:42 | Link #168 |
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I know they are going for the Arc reactor being no longer a crutch for Tony but the Arc did save him from exotic alien tech... Twice.
With the Arc the suit was able to absorb the electricity Thor was throwing at him. With the Arc over his heart it spared him from Loki's mind control. The reason being the new element he created was based on the particles emitted by the Tesseract. When Howard Stark got hold of Hydra tech and the cube itself. |
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2013-04-29, 07:04 | Link #173 |
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Privatized terrorism along the lines of what Gaddafi did supporting various terrorist and insurgent groups around the globe.
In my country alone the bastard help fund the from the Muslim separatist (back then) MILF to the Maoist CPP-NPA and likely the kidnap for ransom group Abu Sayaf. So one can say the idea of a Mandarin was based on him. |
2013-05-02, 04:22 | Link #175 |
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I came in expecting to see iron man kick ass, and I wasn't disappointed. Fast pace, good lines, great action. If that's what you're looking for you're in for a treat, otherwise, well it still isn't a bad movie.
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2013-05-02, 05:17 | Link #176 |
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Saw the movie 2 days ago on 3D(it's useless, didn't feel worth it), and my little bro find it mediocre, i asked him more than Iron Man 2? He hesitate to answer...
... Me i enjoyed it, it's better than the 2nd, but still the first is the best... |
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