2009-10-05, 02:19 | Link #41 |
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As long as Crunchyroll doesn't moan and groan when another company is trying to fetch a license then it is alright. As long as the DVD releases are available to buy =)
I don't do crunchyroll though (I like my fansubs and not stream crap thank you), if a show is good enough I'll buy the merchandise cause I don't believe in the $7 or whatever is enough for the anime industry cause a lot of companies put money in their own pockets. In this age I don't believe anything I am hearing about finances |
2009-10-05, 08:22 | Link #42 |
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My suggestion to Crunchyroll
CR should allow all users, not just subscribers, to view videos in 480p (720p if available). Subscribers get: 1 hour after air simulcast, no ad Free users get: 7 days delay, with ads This way, the picture quality would be a lot better for everyone. Those already subscribe, they will continue to subscribe because they get to watch it 7 days earlier than free users and they get no ads interruption. It's only $0.20 a day. |
2009-10-05, 08:46 | Link #44 | ||
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Currently, Subscribers get: 1 hour after finished airing simulcast, no ad, 480p or 720p defintion Free users get: 7 days delay, with ads, Standard Definition My suggestion is to allow free users to watch it in 480p/720p. Ads generate good money for CR too. Better picture quality will mean more viewers. http://paidcontent.org/article/419-p...spend-to-hulu/ Publicis Shifts ‘Several Million’ In Broadcast Ad Spend To Hulu Quote:
So if an anime has 3 ads on hulu, the revenue is $0.09 per viewer. 100,000 viewers = $9,000 |
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2009-10-05, 09:23 | Link #45 | |
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Plus the ads can't generate as much money for CrunchyRoll because 1) People don't want to advertise to anime fans with no money 2) and advertising revenue from outside America is extremely limited. There is only so much money you can get from free MMORPGs.
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2009-10-05, 09:34 | Link #46 |
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Interesting arguments for both sides.
Unfortunately though Crunchyroll does bugger all for me because I live in Australia (Region 4) and the whole region locking thing prevents me from using a lot of their streams. That is my #1 concern for Crunchyroll. If fansubbers run a policy not subbing CR subbed anime, and the region-lock bull still continues, then I'm pretty much screwed. I'm also not fond with the idea of having to be connected to the internet whilst watching anime. Streaming is really a bandwidth hog, and if I wanted to say watch the episode again, I will have to "re-stream" it. I'm wondering if it would work better if CR took a I-tunes or Steam approach where you simply buy the right to the use the item and then you can download + view it at your leisure. For example, I've been using Steam as virtually my only means of buying PC games. Buy the license to the game, embed it onto my Steam account, download it overnight then play it the next day. I can't honestly remember the last time I went to a games store to purchase a PC game because I been using Steam exclusively for it. The only time I go to a games store is to purchase console games (As PSN is unreliable atm). Not Crunchyroll/stream related but I was wondering how the anime industry would work if they introduced a "K-drama" approach to things. Basically with K-dramas you can go to your local Korean groceries/wholesale store and you can legally purchase DVDs of recently aired K-drama episodes (within 1-2 weeks) for 50 cents each per episode (even cheaper for slightly older series). Some stores even just give you the CD, and most stores do deals if you spend a certain amount on their goods. Effectively its legalized "bootlegs" that are of TV stream quality . Cheap alternative if you can't afford satellite TV. Some series (particularily the more popular ones) even have English/Japanese/Chinese subtitles on them. Personally for me though, it doesn't matter since I'm Korean and can speak/write it decently so I watch all my K-dramas raw . |
2009-10-05, 09:45 | Link #47 | ||
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2009-10-05, 13:01 | Link #48 | |
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Myself Yourself - CR vs fansub DVD ver: Time of Eve: Erin 720p: Hyakko 720p: Cut from broadcast, in SD on R2 DVD, in HD on CR: Spoiler for pantsu:
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2009-10-05, 13:27 | Link #49 | |
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How can anyone these days not consider 480p as "standard" definition when ordinary tube TVs show DVDs in that resolution correctly and have for years? Most fansubs from the pre-HD era are in 480p (e.g,. 640x480x24fps progressive); shouldn't that be what's considered "standard" definition?
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2009-10-05, 13:41 | Link #51 | |
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What they should do is have a alternative that allows people to buy each episode at a low cost (say like $2-4 per episode) on iTunes or some place so that people don't have to use up all their bandwidth if they have caps and also be able to play it without needing a internet connection. This will benefit people who don't watch alot of anime of CR to justify a $7 dollar per month subscription since the cost will end up to be $84 dollars which can easily buy 2 licensed DVDs with only subs or 1 boxset.
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2009-10-05, 14:01 | Link #52 |
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My big question would be how much blocking/banding/etc. their encodes have in dark scenes. I imagine it might depend on how good the masters they encode from are, since I've always suspected that the reason many fansubs suffer from this is due to poor raw quality.
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2009-10-05, 14:05 | Link #53 | |
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They've gotten everything from raw uncompressed RGB32 to ~300 MB SD files as sources... E.g. just because one show on CR looks like crap doesn't mean they all do, and vica verca.
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360p is what free CR users get, what Funimation uses, and the default size on Youtube. You'd also get 640x360 from "letterboxed" version DVDs (are these still sold?) meant to display the full widescreen content on non-WS TVs with black bars top and bottom, back before HDTV when CRTs still existed. Quote:
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2009-10-05, 18:38 | Link #55 | |
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No, 480p requires a subscription. As npcomplete describes, it's definitely not what CR considers SD.
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2009-10-05, 18:59 | Link #56 | |
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Hopefully though some of these things will change; Adobe just released information today that Flash 10.1 should enable .flv decoding using DXVA and similar (CUDA perhaps?) methods of offloading some of that from the CPU. Adobe seems to have aimed the update squarely at low-power netbooks, UMPCs and smartphones, all of which have trouble with Flash video content. This is really good news for those of us who like tiny computers. ^^;
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2009-10-05, 23:12 | Link #57 | |
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And incidentally, I don't think that choosing to not view fansubs is in any way irrational, and do understand your frustration in this case. But if Crunchyroll does end up failing to meet its objectives, I don't personally believe this will be one of the major contributing causes (because I suspect that their target audience consists in large part of people who might otherwise be fansub viewers, hence wouldn't require the "all or nothing" approach proposed). I don't think the people who'd be willing to watch anime online, but just haven't been doing it so far due to legality alone, is enough to form a new market. |
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2009-10-05, 23:45 | Link #58 |
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I honestly don't like how crunchyroll is basically claiming to most of the Fall lineup. Leave some out so that people in the anime industry can actually earn a profit. And the anime fans won't be pleased in general unless they are willing to pay $5 per month when most of these kids are only around 12-15 years old.
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2009-10-05, 23:55 | Link #59 | |
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p.s. Crunchyroll is not buying the DVD license, just internet stream license. Here's an real life example. Your anime company owns Cross Game (one of my fav anime this year). However, it will not get DVD licensed in North America. Therefore, it's on fansubs and I as well as many others have been watching the fansubs. Which will earn you more money? Do nothing and get nothing from fansubs or licensed it to crunchyroll and get some ad/subscription money? |
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2009-10-06, 00:01 | Link #60 |
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Oh right. I forgot that crunchyroll earns money like that. Wow, where have I been? But honestly, it is basically bad news for all the anime viewers who are short on cash. We know not a lot of people actually buy the DVDs or rights to watch than just watch it streamed or torrented out of the sea of otakus.
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