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View Poll Results: Guilty Crown - Episode 17 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 33 | 26.61% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 21 | 16.94% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 16 | 12.90% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 24 | 19.35% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 10 | 8.06% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 6 | 4.84% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.81% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 1.61% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 3 | 2.42% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 8 | 6.45% | |
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2012-02-21, 04:50 | Link #421 | ||||||||
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1-Do you really believe that Yahiro's will wait for him? 2- They don't have a lot of time so that why they move and how he would know that the GHQ will ambush them? 3- Yahiro already know that he is part Funeral Parlor. And he called not to show off but because they are the only one who can help him (He always help them for free so why shouldn't they help him?) In the end the fastest way is for them to get him to Funeral Parlor Quote:
(before only wait > after = no one will trust her incomplete) -Shu already said that he is part of Funeral Parlor and they already know about his void and he did help them to get out. Quote:
Yahioro will be good BUT who will choose unknown person without power as leader? (We know that he is more than capable of doing it but the students don't know. Don't to mention they will need someone strong to force rule unless we want another girl rape (e.g: To find girls errr people form Funeral Parlor). Unless you mean to force to bad job again to Shu. In the end Arisa is useless Yahiro = unknown while Shu already prove himself to them when he get on stage. Quote:
They have limited vaccines to save people, so it's a big choose that only leader can made. (Look to USA, they need to save their economic, the president have people who tell him best way to do it and other who said that it's is bad to listen to them but in the end he decide to give a lot of money to save big banks/companies from bankruptcy.) Quote:
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Here it again: Shu was not plan to sacrifice anyone even the useless F- group but than they prove by the hard way that they are useless so he should stop wasting resource on them and since they said that they can get their own vaccine than sure let them get their own. (They are useless after all it's only the A~ group which fought GHQ head to head while F~-group was waiting away from the battlefield) Quote:
Real human =/= are not comic hero (The anime was trying to show human real nature right?) And he did choose the best solution to get out which is to lead them since there was no one else to do it. ( Again, Arisa = useless // Yahiro = unknown while Shu already prove himself to them when he get on stage) So if he didn't accept > Arisa will lead them > almost no student will follow her order. By the way, what do you think will happen if he said no to all of them yet stay with them? They will start to said that he is selfish and even though he have power he act indifferent to the situation they are in...etc In the end you can't made everyone happy no mater what you do. (After all we have the students who become totally angry because he hid the fact that void can kill you even thought GHQ can do better job at killing them.) Quote:
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2012-02-21, 06:59 | Link #422 | ||||||||
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2) A bit of lapse of judgement i say, wait until the party you're meeting is close before coming out. If he had done that, when GHQ attacked they would have had some support. And no of course they didn't no GHQ was going to attack, its just that the attack when it came would have been better handled if he had timed his move better. 3)Just because you're part of Undertaker doesn't mean you're pro. For all Yahiro knew, Shu could've just been the gofer. Quote:
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You're the one that said the Shu group would be opposed to leaving in the first place...but w/e. I don't remember them saying they wanted to leave. Why and where would they go? It was basically a danger zone outside of the school, and after the info came it was a red zone. |
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2012-02-21, 10:24 | Link #423 | |||
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I'm mostly on your side of the argument (in the sense that I've seen nothing whatsoever to suggest that Shu was in any way "jumping at the chance" to have power), but that makes no sense. It isn't about him being some hero, but about him being a decent human being (which, given that he made no effort to jump ship prior to then, I'm assuming he is); he could and would have helped around whether he was their leader or not. I don't see why he needed to have the fancy President title to do that. Quote:
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Could Arisa have done the same? Probably not on her own. But with the backing of Shu and Yahiro, I imagine she could have. |
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2012-02-21, 10:48 | Link #424 |
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Shu will just become a wimpy self again without his power :/
And killing Arisa wouldnt be enough to calm down my hatred towards her. MY GOD she needs a right slapping and not in the erotic way. Someone needs to send her through a mangler or milling machine. If my hatred could tke physical form she wouldnt be a honeycomb... she'd be completely gone |
2012-02-21, 11:21 | Link #428 |
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I think he was inferring that Arisa could have made better use of Shu's abilities while she was still President to get things done. Which wouldn't have been a bad idea, but with all the pressure she was under it's understandable that it didn't occur to her.
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2012-02-21, 11:23 | Link #429 | |
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Not only was she useless then but she also try to out Shu plan to save most of the students which they still end up using and work. She is a all around useless character that i hope along with everyone else have a painful and slow death . How hard could be to think hey i have a friend that has super powers that used them in front the whole school a short while ago to help me. |
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2012-02-21, 12:28 | Link #430 |
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There was not much timespan between when she was still the president while the students wanting/demanding a new leader and when Shuu openly revealed his powers. By the time that Shuu showed off his powers in front of the other people, Arisa was pretty much replaced by Shuu democratically by the students.
So in short, I think that Arisa never could have taken advantage of Shuu's powers when she was the president. |
2012-02-21, 12:28 | Link #431 | |
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2012-02-21, 14:20 | Link #432 | |
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nothing than why would he not be human who will totally ignored them troubled and leave out alone/in small group? (Of course he didn't because he was decent human and decide to lead them not because he was power hungry but because he want to help them don't to mention that he was the only one who can lead them.) |
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2012-02-21, 21:49 | Link #433 |
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He became the leader of the pack due to his idol, Gai. He thought he was living the good life being the leader for so long, commanding everyone's respect, and making all the decisions. He wanted to feel that same sensation, but he forced the position on himself when Hare died.
The thing is though, the way he managed the school, and everyone's way of life wasn't wrong. It was cruel but it was just. He managed to create a way to keep everyone in line, and shun those that disobey. If left the way things were, the school would've lasted a few more weeks tops. The borders were closing in, the lack of vaccines, nobody knows what to do, and the intimidating threats from GHQ. He took charge, created a dictatorship, and ruled with fear of disobedience. A dictatorship was the answer, the only alternative was breaking through the wall, but that required planning and effort, so regardless it was necessary. Down at the docks when Satou would've died, he let his emotions get in the way, and would've probably jumped in himself to save him if he were someone else. Yahiro obviously wouldn't of let him, but I won't forget that he tried to save that girls life in episode 16, though she died because of her void. I still think he's himself, but after what just happened, if he survives, he's headed down a dark and twisted path. I bet he'll lose all trust in everyone except Inori, which leaves him open to being converted to Mana's side. I kind of have the feeling that she'll take advantage of the situation and try to confront him, after all she obviously wouldn't pick Gai over Shu, even if he has the void genome. I'm skeptical as I don't know whether this conspiracy theory is going to go all the way yet. Last edited by syke123; 2012-02-21 at 23:14. |
2012-02-21, 21:54 | Link #434 |
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I think Arisa would have still rebelled against Shu without Gai just because she's butthurt Shu is now alpha and is scared shit about Manori. Burying that whore alive isn't going to satisfy me....
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2012-02-21, 22:28 | Link #435 |
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Didn't anyone else think that Shu's conversation with Inori in that garden was really strange? There's an unsettling mood underlying it. And when Yahiro came down to speak to Shu, that's sort of when I realized that there's no redeeming him...Shu hasn't learned a thing since this series started. His ideology is the exact same. He's just as selfish and his will is just as weak. I think the creators probably realize this and the rest of the series will follow suit.
Everyone is becoming all kinds of messed up. Poor Arisa. |
2012-02-21, 23:26 | Link #436 |
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^ Yahiro is nothing more than a cunning liar that brought upon himself Shu's distrust towards him. Even if he is honest now the secret he kept caused the death of another person, while Inori only stabbed Arisa in the hand. If he got away unpunished Inori can too. Besides:
"I won't let anyone hurt, you" "Shu, I found out who attacked Arisa, it was Inori" "Ok Yahiro, take her away" "Sorry Inori, I couldn't keep that promise" The old Shu would have said that. |
2012-02-21, 23:29 | Link #437 |
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All of this happened because of a death of a single girl...sigh...... (at least Lulu isn't like this when he kill Euphemia, if you want to compare CG to GC)
As for the new arm, it has a possibility of being Shu's Void. A special void that allow Shu to take out the void of other without the power of the king and it may as well enhance the power or ability(make it XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX more powerful than original).If there a void like a leg than there a good chance of a void that is like a arm. |
2012-02-21, 23:35 | Link #438 | |
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But I'm truly torn because I now have negative feelings towards an Endou Aya character.
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2012-02-21, 23:44 | Link #439 | |
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As for whether or not she'd rebel without Gai, I'm not so sure. Up until she got that call (presumably Gai, unless I'm forgetting something), she didn't really have the nerve to do much of anything. The way I saw it, she only had the courage to go against Shu and Inori after getting Gai's backing. Again, unless I'm forgetting something. |
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2012-02-22, 00:51 | Link #440 |
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Shuu could have contacted the headmaster for actual backup instead of using the students as he so kindly put it "glorified scapegoats".
One things for sure though Shuu does not know how to play an RPG, premeditated traps and sufficent void snipers before hand would have prevented most of the causalities seen in this episode.
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