2008-12-14, 07:25 | Link #921 |
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Well, from viewing it from the staff it is really much easier to create a love story from persons who keep fighting or teasing. Best example here is the love between Klan and Michel or even Kathy and Ozma. On the other side you also got Nanase and Luca. You can' t really say at the end that they will start a relationship.
Ranka herself needs a kick in her butt to get moving on sometimes but then you can see that she's giving her full heart into it. That Alto could not hear her voide is another story.
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2008-12-18, 01:26 | Link #922 |
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They rushed char development in MF in general. I actually believe Ranka's char is better than the other two because she changed the most in the series.
Altoh can be so annoying how stubborn he is and he gets away with it for being a good-looking snob and like Tom Cruise he never loses in battle while Hikaru was much more interesting to watch because he's really not that great, Max was better but Hikaru tries his best to be better while they just made Altoh seem too invincible. Sheryl's char is too shallow, she was established as a b*tch then turned into a wuss when she meets Altoh. Things that she says around Altoh sometimes make no sense and as a guy I would get frustrated knowing that there's no chemistry between us why keep up the phoney act? As for Ranka, she's the more down to earth char for the 3. She wanted to do good and she never wanted to be a big star just like MinMei. They rushed her romance with Altoh, since they never really spent much time together, how could she suddenly fell in love with him, for what reason? MF is just rushed overall, I must say, I enjoy it but at the end big let down when it was over so quickly. |
2008-12-18, 05:19 | Link #923 |
A blast from the past
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Ranka never wanted to be a star? She grows the most out of the three main characters? Sheryl is a shallow character who has no chemistry with Alto? And he's invincible? Erm... Did we watch the same show?
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2008-12-18, 08:27 | Link #927 | |
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Back on topic: Ranka wanted to be a star. She craved being a star, and she had always looked up to Sheryl. The series itself gave us plenty of evidence supporting that. I need not remind you that she competed in Miss Macross, went onto the movie to become a supporting character, selling her own materials on the street... etc. Except when she got it, she failed utterly to show any responsibility for her role. Why keep up the phony act, you say? Shoot, that was her last fragment as Sheryl. The Sheryl that used to be the Galactic Fairy. She was losing it to Alto. Naturally, she'd get defensive in order to muster whatever left remains of her dignity before her barrier gets completely shattered (all hail episode 22!!). Alto on the other hand, was hardly invincible. Shoot, this guy lost more fighters to enemy and friendly fire than Hikaru in Macross! - Tak
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2008-12-18, 13:40 | Link #928 | |
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Ranka's character was the only one that did not change. She started out the series as a naiive immature 16 year old girl who looked way too young for her age and let people make all the decisions, and ended the series as a naive immature 16 year old girl who looked way too young for her age and let people make all the decisions. There was no character development to be had. And also Ranka did want to become a star like Minmei that's why she entered herself into the Ms. Macross beauty pageant, or accepted that role in the Bird human movie, or gotten kicked out of school for it. She also worked way too hard with Elmo to be someone who didn't want to become a star. Bottom line is that you're comments are like those made by someone whose never seen past the first episode of MF. Also you calling Sheryl selfish, and shallow also makes it even more obvious that you've never actually watched the series. Your comment on Alto was also so incorrect I don't even know where to begin. A word of advice actually watch the series, and get your facts straight before you decide to comment on a series. Or else you just end up embarrassing yourself. |
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2008-12-19, 14:16 | Link #929 | |
Alto x Ranka :)
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I do agree that she did want to become a star from the beginning and she still does but I don't think it is her priority like it was before, imo. As for Sherly being selfish, I agree that she was selfish to some extent but to call her shallow is taking it too far. |
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2008-12-19, 15:50 | Link #930 | |
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Sheryl is both her inspiration and her rival. She simply sees herself on equal footing with Sheryl at the end. Sheryl got her to where she is due to luck (i.e., Grace) and hard work, and I imagine that Ranka will be working for her own goals as well. After all she went through (small bit roles and auditions) I doubt she would suddenly stop when her career has begun an upswing. One can give her credit to her for that. But that's not the full story. She does develop as a character, but the direction of it beyond her idol aspirations isn't really good, nor does it reach full circle. The plot is to blame for "protecting" her from the weight of the story. Last edited by kujoe; 2008-12-19 at 16:01. |
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2008-12-19, 17:59 | Link #931 | |
Alto x Ranka :)
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Well Kawamori kind needs to start over again and just help her character out in the movie because there should be this many people hating her lol, it's just unhealthy. I just hope that some people can have an open mind because I do very much enjoy Ranka's character, I hope others will be able to as well once summer rolls in. Actually we might not see it until winter since the subs are gonna take a while. |
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2008-12-19, 18:13 | Link #933 |
Alto x Ranka :)
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Well now that would just be plain arrogant because I honestly don't see why there would be any reason to "hate" her. She's not Minmei and she never will even if they do have similar traits, and besides what I read in some articles I saw that both Ranka and Sheryl are compared to Minmei but with separate characteristics.
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2008-12-19, 18:36 | Link #934 |
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Ranka will never be Minmay, but like you said so yourself, there is a comparison. No one is saying that she is.
Sheryl is compared to DYRL Minmay, the established star who grows beyond the walls of her idol world. In other words, the "good" version of Minmay, at least for a number of fans out there. Unfortunately, Ranka is the TV series Minmay, the young idol just starting out. And well, the perception of both characters is almost similar. And Westlo is right in saying that perceptions will not change based on the context and series. Fans tend to view TV and movie versions as two separate things most of the time. |
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2008-12-19, 21:12 | Link #936 | |
Alto x Ranka :)
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This is also just a matter of opinion, I think her development has in the series made her a charismatic character to some extent, maybe not as much as Minmei but enough to say that she has charisma now. |
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2008-12-19, 21:25 | Link #937 | |
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It's quite simple, the person who had the biggest transition is Ranka Lee. She went from a waitress, big Sheryl fan, school girl into this heroine that Frontier City regarded her as, over-taken Sheryl in popularity, and even did the unthinkable such as going with her brother to try to understand the enemy. She even confessed her love to Altoh and Sheryl couldn't even look at Altoh in the eyes and say the words Ranka could... What did Altoh do? He wanted to be a pilot and that was it. Not much more. Oh yea, and also putting away his acting background into the past. Sheryl? She lost her self-esteem, her popularity, and nearly quit music. Altoh's romance with Sheryl is at best, platonic, hardly even close to Basara + Mylene which is a one sided relationship but atleast there are some moments.. Is it that hard to make a fair comparison, which character changed the most? |
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2008-12-19, 21:30 | Link #938 | |
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There's a big difference between watching and viewing.. |
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2008-12-19, 21:36 | Link #939 |
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Vision your comparisons here are the equivalent to a Kobe fan listing 20 things Kobe Byrant can do and than saying Lebron can only drive to the basket, it's biased. Please don't play the I'm making a fair comparison card because nothing could be further from the truth. I find it funny you decide to ignore Sheryl sacrificing herself from Frontier considering she was a selfish bitch at the start, you do know that's character development right?
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2008-12-19, 21:37 | Link #940 | |
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The episode where Ranka was leaving off with her brother, she confessed her love to Altoh and he never really understood it or took it in. It sort of backfired at the end when Altoh thought she's working with the enemy. It shows he didn't really have feelings that strong for her. Altoh + Sheryl is a big snoozefest, the two never seem like lovebirds. Altoh always seems like he's uninterested while Sheryl wants to be loved and Altoh's not very understanding of that. This is why girls like older guys because young dudes like Altoh just don't understand how to treat a girl. |
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