2010-05-28, 18:39 | Link #21 |
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If I were their father, I would be strongly against it.
But, if this is what they would love doing, I'll have to back off. But if something bad happens, it's time to pull the plug on them. And this seems to be a touchy subject..... |
2010-05-28, 18:43 | Link #22 |
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Erm when did I ever say I knew what they were thinking I said they probably thought.... and it is true that dances like that those booty shaking dances are sexual in nature. Please read my posts properly next time so I dont have to explain myself.
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2010-05-28, 19:07 | Link #24 |
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Meh over here they sell thongs for 5-12 year old girls
reason: "because boys get to wear similar underwear as their father, so why can't girls wear the same underwear as their mother?" [/facepalm] ...ofcourse nobody bothered to ask what "daddy's underpants" looked like
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2010-05-28, 19:10 | Link #25 | |
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If I were a mother, would not allow my daughters to dress that way. But that's just protective instinct... there are many sick minds out there.
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2010-05-28, 19:12 | Link #26 | |
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So if the rest of you are now defining your correction as you did here which isn't so extreme, that's fine. It stops (hopefully) anyone else trying to make such a statement later in the thread. Quote:
‘Little whores moving about like that, you should be ashamed!’ I’m fairly sure the girls may cry or not really understand the true implication of what an adult would be accusing them of, their minds and personalities for most part will still retain their innocence and fun. Having performed the dance for a competition doesn’t automatically strip it away (this is in addition to how their parents raise them and values they instil which none of us know how that works in their families). Quote:
(I'm constantly reminded of the attitudes and outcry that were shown in the movie 'Dirty Dancing' right now) I saw those girls make up and clothes and thought ‘oh hell no, that’s just lame, cover them up for crying out loud, it’s not a children’s’ swimsuit costume (touches on what I think is worse btw, those beauty pageants *shudders*) I saw those girls moves, dance, their timing, precision, spins, energy and passion and was like ‘Hell freaking yeah, they’re awesome! Amazing’ xD I know I'm seeing this from a completely different light, I'm sure its more of a cultural difference on my end (and as a dancer myself... well 'casual' now being older perhaps), but I was doing this kinda thing before age 10, we competed with other girls, we shook our thang. When playing with other kids, we practiced the dance moves of music and pop/ urban stars at the time, be it in school or over the weekend in front of our homes in the streets. As of recently, I previously mentioned 'dancehall', that's a genre of dance which actually may cause more outcry cause of the nature of the moves (the kids here had tiny elements of it), but I know tooons of young girls and kids who practice and can pull these off (all over youtube too), and are applauded for their dance skill and that's it. There is no implication to anything dirty or filthy about it, hence it retains it's time and place as being part of dance. The boys also were trying to pull off the coolest MJ moves back in the days, these were at kids b'day parties and so on, 'dance comps' were normal But by no means did this 'accelerate' my sexuality, it was just dance. Dance was dance and boys/sex/relationships were a completely different ballgame, something of which I wasn't even interested in during my teens much (tomboy that I am of sorts). Computer games, books and cartoons were my loves back then too. Hell, I don't even think I could have conceived negative or sexual thoughts or worries that adults conceive and that's the difference and my fear actually. That adults are projecting and forcing their anxieties onto the kids who otherwise would never see it and only have a light, innocent and fun view to it all. You say ‘it’s inappropriate’, so if you saw your daughter (Chey can answer this too) practicing like this and you go ‘stop moving like that!’ The kid asks ‘Why… I’m only dancing’. What would you say, how would you break it down? What worries are going through your mind that if they were to continue dancing as so, something... ‘bad?’ will happen? Quote:
Word in the playground is a lot more open regarding sexual topics and awareness than it was for me a mere decade ago. Kids are innocent, yes and it needs to be preserved on a overall level, but what they're exposed to media wise, especially with the age of the internet is a lot more vicious than any of us were. Other examples include getting pregnant at 11/12 and kids being admitted to A&E cause of alcohol abuse. A lot of them were bored and sadly influenced by their older siblings while 6/7/8, (if it’s not sexual related problems, then crime and vandalism). They had no focus, no hobbies, nothing to spend their time with constructively. Again I was being flippant basing it on comments of ‘these moves are inappropriate’. How? Sexually? Why? Cause it’ll lead to what? The time and place as you say in the next quote below, I bolded for you. In the hobby of dance, it’s appropriate if that’s the style that the kids are into. They're spending their time working towards a goal which is fun and enjoyable. A lot may (typically do) stop during their teens as well and are as 'normal' as a average kid, with a good sense of ambition within them. And I mentioned before it wasn’t all pure grinding and gyrating with zero style or class, the sheer amount of ballet work that was in that, those kids were pulling off 2880 degree spins (we don’t even count that far, lol but 360 degrees times 8), means that their style was influenced from a variety of things that don’t even whisper sexuality. I wonder why people can’t see beyond that and take in the skill, well I know why. The attire sadly as clouded it away which is also why I disagree. Their hard work goes unnoticed cause of the aesthetic way they presented themselves, in a sense, it’s a royal shame. Quote:
It’s a dance competition, it’s a dance competition using one of the most popular tunes among the kids of today. Aggggh, where's the other acts of this event, cause I wanna see the level and style that generally was gracing this competition. I'm fairly sure it really is the attire/make up that's adding more heat to the fire. Had they dressed down more and performed the same dance, it wouldn't be causing such an outcry, otherwise aaaaaall the videos of kids mimicking Beyonce's moves (with normal clothes on) since what? 2004... 2005? Would have been pulled out, soccer mom protests gathered and her career over. *sighs* I'd love to sit and tackle each post, but it took a fair amount of time here just for this one xD I'm gonna let it chill for a bit, since I think I've put most of my points here, feel free to keep it going though
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2010-05-28, 19:40 | Link #29 |
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Having the lolicon germ rather strong within me, I say it is sexy. But it is not the clothes. It is girls doing a choreography. I would find it equally naughty if it was about girl ballerinas or girl swimming. The outfits are just sexual foreplay for a dirty mind.
When I was little, I wanted to make comic books because I really liked comic books. So I began drawing things similar to the comic books I was reading. I never became a professional but I did learn how to draw. Dancing is the same as any hobby. You start learning it from a young age or it may be too late by the time you are an adult. Kids these days see a lot on tv and they want to mimic them. A normal thing any kid would do. The thing is, when I was little and not everyone was addicted to tv yet, the things my generation was mimicking were mostly based to events we saw on real life. Tv is not like that. Tv is a virtual reality of ideal events and picture perfect looks and words. Kids who mimic tv too much, they mimic a lot of things that are not-practical or not applicable in real life. Thus they strive to become something un-real. And down to it, the mind sees what the mind wants to see and would find it sexy no matter what they would do. |
2010-05-28, 19:41 | Link #30 | |
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But then again, I'm appalled by the fact that there's padded plunge underwire training bras trimmed in lace with matching panties out there LOL They have so MUCH talent, I can't help but feel the costumes are detracting from that, if that makes sense. And if I saw my daughter dancing like that (first off kudos she's a hell of a lot more talented than I ever was rofl), I don't think I'd say to stop, but, like my son wanting his ear pierced, I'd possibly sit them down and say hey, *I* might not have an issue with it but here's what kind of comments you might have to face from others. I mean, he wasn't aware there was a difference (at least in the US) with having only your right ear vs only your left ear pierced. Thinking on it, I think it's more the wardrobe + moves that're affronting people, at least in my case... I also was reminded by my kids that that song (Single Ladies) is not only terribly popular, but was used in the Alvin & the Chipmunks sequel, sung by the female trio of chipmunks, so it's entirely possible that's one reason the girls picked it. I can't recall what dance routine was used in the movie, but that too might've influenced it.
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(well, looks like the Chipettes do too) And I appreciate your comment regarding your kids, thanks
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2010-05-28, 20:04 | Link #32 |
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Teens feel intrigued by the world of erotic or sexual things. They are at the age they are suppose to be.
However... young girls in the 8-9 age isn't suppose to be into this. Not yet at least, not to sound like a tightass but I think this should be avoided entirely. It's rather depressing really. Especially if you think the infamy they got and how it'll stick with them for a good while yet. No matter the age people are effected by what is on TV. I'll be incredibly blunt.... If they see older women dress up like prostitutes, sluts, whores, whatever you want to call them -- then they would think it is either alright, fine, cool, or so on. People are effected by the screens before them -- not just television screens but computer screens as well. It's the world of media that basically brainwashes. This is one of the finer and extreme examples of how corruptive it can be. ...Unfortunate as it is I hope this teach people not to do this kind of thing. But considering how the world is taking it; people will be inclined to do it (or perhaps I'm being a cynic again.) This is my opinion on the matter. |
2010-05-28, 20:13 | Link #33 | |
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That's almost saying that parents don't play a part into grounding their children so that they aren't blindly leading themselves to danger. I played Road Rash, this was getting on a motobike, racing to first while knocking off opponents with maces, bats, crowbars, flamethrowers or punching and kicking them off xD I loved it (still do) but by no means would I emulate it outside of a game, as I'm aware that reality has different consequences for this type of behaviour. I grew up in my town where 15 year olds are pushing prams often, wearing make up, doing their hair and hanging with boys in the street. That's 'normal' to me as in the envrionment I grew up in, but by no means did I agree with it, cause of the values/rules that were instilled at home. Parents have to play their part in this sense to keep a kid grounded and balanced as best as they can.
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2010-05-28, 20:19 | Link #34 |
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Ah. Right. That is a part I forgot to mention, didn't I?
The parent is just as responsible. To either keep things under check, under wrap, or to reinforce punishment when necessary - or even maintain it for different purposes such as disciplinary measures, the child(ren) not straightening up to expectation, etc etc and what not. Indeed reality has a different set of consequences, and that is about all I'll say. I'm afraid I'd just be echoing you if I did. I'd rather not to be honest. Though thank you for highlighting that. I appreciate it. c(^_^ c) Thank you and so such Mystique. |
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I think I understand part of what you mean, but I'm not sure about the rest. Yes, I agree children shouldn't be led to do anything that might affect them negatively later on. However, if they think a grown woman dressing in short skirts (or whatever else) is as normal as a grown woman dressing casually, I don't see the problem. They shouldn't feel the need to emulate the behaviour, but if they grow up and decide that short skirts are pretty, why shouldn't they wear them without shame?
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What most of us here have said is that we are displeased about the way material which has been explicitly sexualized was being appointed for performance to these little girls. In addition, many have expressed their disapproval with the POV of the parents who put these girls up to this; so lets not skew the discussion. Quote:
The "level of performance" that can be achieved by these girls is not the issue but rather the material chosen for them as well their outfits. I have no doubt in my mind that these girls can turn just about anything into a complete success but there are better ways of making them shine than to make them perform a piece that is of a more mature nature. Quote:
What we see in this girls video tho is a dance pattern which has clearly been influenced by adults who know what makes this dance sexy and who have chosen an equally inappropriate outfit to boot. Quote:
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2010-05-28, 21:38 | Link #37 | |
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Good dance. Kids got skill. Bad costume choice, though--it doesn't look sexy, it looks stupid. It wouldn't look sexy on adults, either.
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Of my own volition? And I don't even like men? I actually like looking and dressing attractively (sometimes "cute," sometimes "sexy"). It makes me feel good; I do not do it because I give a shit about anything any man thinks.
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2010-05-28, 21:58 | Link #39 | |
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Feminists who want to tell me what to wear or claim that a woman choosing to be submissive in a bdsm scene is degrading herself always make me frown, because my definition of feminism is very different from theirs. If I feel like dressing up, then I'll do exactly that, and if I happen to pick a mini-skirt, that is not an invitation for men to treat me with anything less than respect.
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2010-05-28, 22:08 | Link #40 | |
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I think clothing should be respectable -- though it can be used as expressive or intended purposes -- I mostly find short skirts rather pointless. I also think people should, regardless of age -- be respectful to themselves. It's rather nitpicky really. What constitutes as whorish is really up to the individual. For me it's a combination of excessive make-up, gaudy and revealing clothing... and the immodest attitude. Now it is perspective so do bear with me; but don't feel obligated to - that constitutes as whorish because it is usually the encompassed stereotypes of whores and prostitutes. Feel entirely free to oppose what I think. I simply feel on this kind of thing several things are responsible. The media, the culture, the parents. So on and the such. |
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