2009-11-05, 15:23 | Link #18361 | |
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To me, a fan is someone who likes the show. They like the characters, the setting, the tone, etc. They want to see it continue, and perhaps like to write, and so make create more adventures for the heroes. Some amount of divergence is acceptable, because none of us are the original creators, and we aren't perfect writers. It's about suspension of disbelief. There's a line for each fanfiction fandom, that once crossed, it no longer seems to be a fic possible in the series universe, for me at least. To take my example above, say a fic where Chrono becomes a drunk, Amy becomes abusive, and he cheats on her with Arf. Such an author may say "I can do what I want, and I'm just exploring alternative interpretations of the characters that the creator never did." But to me, I can't see these characters acting this way. The fic author may as well give these characters alternate names and make an original fic. There's a lot you can get away with in the name of humor and spamfics. But for other types, straying outside that boundary means it's no longer a story within the universe. And if it's going to be THAT different, an author may want to re-examine exactly why they are writing for this universe. Perhaps they should branch out into original fiction. It's about ignoring the heart of the series. Again, just stating things from how I see them. Obviously not forcing my views on anyone, and people are free to do as they wish. I just don't like seeing fanfiction stray too far outside the boundaries such that it becomes something very different, because I like the series itself. Cue harry Potter slash fics. And part of this is past personal experience. I became so enamored with a fandom, that I started writing fics to rewrite things in my image; because I wasn't happy with some aspects of the series, and felt that the creator didn't know what he was doing. It led to an obsession and a blindness; my writing degraded and I alienated readers. I just don't want to see that happen to anyone else. Now I only write if I can get at least 95% behind a series. Make sense? |
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2009-11-05, 16:20 | Link #18363 | |
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In that story, Fate is outspoken, a vampire, not shy, and generally is 99% OOC for Fate. However, she looks the same, loves children (Erio and Caro), does whatever she can for her friends, carries Bardiche and fights with him, wears teh same type of clothing colors, ect. Fate is still "Fate" but an AU Fate. Same with Nanoha. The sick girl who's shy and doesn't know her place in life or what she wants to do. Despite this, she bakes like her parent's café, she loves the sky, is very indipendant, and wants to live her life to the fullest. Both of the characters don't use magic, aren't on mid, aren't in the military, and generally aren't near the real characters, but people relate to them and when something is blatantly from the series, its a "neat addition". Fate's motorcycle, for example, looks like Bardiche. Her biker outfit looks like her barrier jacket Spoiler for image:
What draws people to this is seeing how their characters adapt to their lifestyles. The challenge is for the author to make it still "based off of" without going TOO far away from the source material. So in general I can see what you're saying, but you don't need to batch that with fanfiction as a whole. Just AU fics. Because fan fiction is, no matter how you put it, a fan writing something that isn't canon because they want to. Forcing their ideas on a character just for the heck of it.
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2009-11-05, 16:44 | Link #18364 | ||
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And there are canon characters present, too, but they're not as important to the narrative thus far. (I'm doing this without planning; I have no idea what's gonna happen next) Quote:
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2009-11-05, 16:54 | Link #18365 | |
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Like the quote says on my FF.net account: "Literature has always been a huge crucible in which familiar themes are continually recast."
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2009-11-05, 16:59 | Link #18366 | |
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Wow lots of chatter might as well throw my own view in.
On OCs: Ocs are a touchy subject I suppose. But I've come to like them, I even have a few *points to the sleeping Inspector in the corner*. You can ask why I don't just write my own fiction but the fact is I do that too. Fanfiction is just a grownup version of those games we play when we're kids where we play out the roles of our favorite characters in new scenarios (it's like rping by yourself ). OCs are just when you decide it'd be fun to play around in that world some more. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Why should there be? You can ask why they don't just use the original characters but really why not? Fanfiction is fun, and to say there's a way things should or should not be done is very silly in my opinion. I think the problem comes when people approach OCs as tools instead of as characters. That's poor writing right there. I don't think you can approach writing someone as, they have a role to fill and that's it, and do a good job. It's just not possible. The worst OCs I've seen aren't the self-insert characters but really the one where the author just didn't give a crap about them. Characters are characters and they need to be treated as such. On pairings I tend to only like CCxCC and OCxOC because I find OCxCC tends to be very poorly written. However right now there's a CCxOC pairing buzzing in my ear and annoying bunnies keep forming so perhaps my opinions will change on that soon. On Fanfiction. Fanfiction is for fun. I think that's what a lot of people forget. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be critiqued and worked on like any other piece of writing and that doesn't mean it shouldn't be held up to the same standards but that does mean there's a lot more wiggle room. And I think it's important to remember that. There's very little, short of making characters completely ooc, that can be done wrong in fanfiction and I think sometimes we forget that and get caught up in what can and cannot be done. Quote:
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2009-11-05, 17:38 | Link #18369 |
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*nod* I agree completely. The best crack isn't the OOC type, which more often than not produces a reply of "Dude, Not Funny" from me, usually with yawns of boredom between the words. The best crack is the kind where I end up rolling on the floor laughing at the joke while saying, "Oh, man, I can totally imagine Zafira doing that!"
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2009-11-05, 17:38 | Link #18370 | |||
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It's like a bunch of imperfect clones. A general rule of thumb I use, is if a mad scientist kidnaps the real version and replaces it with that character; will the other characters notice it's not the real version? "Hmm, Fate doesn't seem to be acting like herself..." This becomes important in scenes where, say two characters are supposed to know each other well, ie Subaru/Teana or Nanoha/Fate. Since we the viewers know Subaru as well as Tea does, we can see when something is bothering her, or when something seems off. And we generally expect Tea to pick up on it as well. Also, a clone may be almost perfect, but have one little thing off. Something that can lead a character to go: "It all makes sense; you're not our Subaru! Where's the real one!?" You can't do that when you change personalities and situations. It limits the writing because you lose story-telling tools. Quote:
As a reader, it doesn't excite me the way the original universe did, because I wanted to read a Nanoha fic, or a Naruto fic, etc. What I got wasn't what was advertised. Just tryin' to show, from a readers perspective, why a reader has trouble liking certain fics. Quote:
That doesn't look like Nanoha to me. If I saw someone writing that, I'd politely suggest they may want to look into another series to write for, like Hellsing. So while I respect someone's right to write what they want, I'm just explaining why it loses me as a reader; a fan of the original material that hooked me into the universe. And for me as a writer, I find it a challenge to my skills to accurately portray characters in a universe. To be able to, say, write an episode in fanfic form that would fit somewhere in the source material. Or to make a faithful continuation. Or to explore some character backstories, that help explain some parts of a character's personality or upbringing. Connecting the dots and fleshing out the universe. Another challenge is making some OC's that fit well in the story, with their own strengths and weaknesses, because expanding a universe inevitably means having to add some OC's, or that an OC can act as a jumping off point for a story (Fate discovers a young man with amnesia, etc.). Just my thoughts. Your mileage will vary, of course. |
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2009-11-05, 17:49 | Link #18371 |
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I can see it now. Hundred upon hundred of clone fics. The same characters doing the same things over and over and over again.
I, for one, would welcome the insanity example described above.
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2009-11-05, 17:58 | Link #18373 | |
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Sometimes I just don't understand people...
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2009-11-05, 18:12 | Link #18375 | |
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Contrast that with me making a Nano/Fate fic... where they are Vietnamese girls back in the Vietnam war. They are abused by US soldiers and others, and tearfully cling to each other for support as they make their way through the battlefield and other dangers. It's not a Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha fic. But it does have two people who look like Nanoha and Fate. |
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2009-11-05, 18:32 | Link #18376 |
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Nanoha isn't without it's sadistic side, though. You got Hayate's break the cutie moment near the end of A's, and then there's ep 17 and onwards in StrikerS. So there is some leeway into dark fics.
Oh, can't forget the fact that Nanoha's magic will eventually kill her if she isn't careful, so there's plenty of grounds for death fics.
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2009-11-05, 18:43 | Link #18377 | |
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I tend to stick closer to canon, but almost all of my fanfictions are AU and generally have at least one original character who typically starts out as an antagonist or a third "interested party."
With Nena's story, I did change the tone of MGLN significantly. It's a war epic, set during a massive invasion of administrated space, an army of magic-dead humans with high technology searching for the fragments of an ancient Lost Logia. The main character is an OC. But to me the story still feels like Nanoha, just... a "what would happen if" scenario. When it comes to fanfiction, it's something I write when I can't write something else. As a writer I prefer working on my own original IPs, but sometimes I get blocked. Fanfiction lets me get that "urge to write" out. America doesn't have the doujin community Japan does, so fanfics written by American authors typically stay in the "just for fun" realm. I feel pretty guilty if I spend too much effort working on something I can't ever make money off of, so that tends to limit my production of fanfics. Quote:
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2009-11-05, 19:16 | Link #18378 |
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I suppose I am of the guilty sort, in that I write mostly OC-related materials. In fact, I believe only two stories in my entire index involves canon characters only, and even then the stories are significant departures from the canon. Still, I like what I'm writing, and apparently so do other people in this thread. Noland is definitely an OC with... interesting abilities, and a history that links him to the canon cast, and if anyone has been following the stuff I post, he's a core character.
I don't know, maybe it's because I have the most fun writing him into the MGLN universe and seeing how the characters would react with a living piece of history. I realize that because of this, I don't get as many readers as I like, but whatever. Speaking of which... I'm almost done with the next chapter of Gospel, for anyone that cares.
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