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Sette and Tre > S1 Fate. That's a given, though, correct me if I'm wrong. Pretty sure I'm not. S1 Fate blocked S1 Nanoha's Divine Buster with a round shield and I think it's safe to say she could survive it without being knocked out with just her barrier jacket. Fate OHK'd both of them. Are they just absurdly more powerful in StrikerS than they used to be in? Last edited by VezSketch; 2012-06-18 at 16:24. |
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2012-06-18, 20:20 | Link #4082 | |
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2012-06-21, 14:11 | Link #4084 |
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I think i don't understand your question quite well but i think what you say it's true to some degree. Belkan Knights's basic physical attacks seem to pack quite the punch, at least Signum and Vita seem to hit hard enough to cause decent damage even without magical boosts, physical attacks have their limits, tough. No matter how hard they hit the are nowhere as powefull as high-tier spells who have monstruous and wide area of damage like Excellion Buster for example.
The main difference is that direct physicall attacks work better as anti-personel damage while magical spells have a much greater variety of options.
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2012-06-21, 14:37 | Link #4085 |
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Nowhere near as powerful as Exelion Buster, yeah. Definitely wasn't talking about S Rank spells. For example, Vita was able to smash one of Reinforce's barriers without her device suffering damage like we see what happens when she tries to smash the engine of the Cradle. Zest with Full Drive cracked opened Graf Eisen (in its compact gigantform and its the full drive form in StrikerS, it should carry the same durability) with a physical hit.
Two more: Isis blocked Signum's Hiryu Issen but DeVille got her good with just one strike. DeVille isn't physically stronger than the strongest members of Section Six. And Nanoha being able to physically contend with Vivio, despite Vivio being able to break Nanoha's barriers with punches. |
2012-06-21, 16:07 | Link #4086 |
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A physical magic attack is, as it's name suggests, a physical attack powered by magic. Logically it should be able to achieve the same power, with the only limitation being that it is... well... physical, and thus often limited to the range and radius of the weapon in question. Explosions on impact do widen distance though, and increasing the size of the weapon (gigant hammer could smash a well sized apartment block) also helps.
I would not underestimate the strength of the Hucks. While it's true they don't have magic, their eclispse simulates similar effects. Including empowering physical attacks. |
2012-06-22, 00:06 | Link #4087 | |
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Isis is an explosives expert and by the looks of her blocking i doubt she blocked the attack directly with her body, maybe she have special barrier to contain explosive attacks or countered with her own explosive attack (it's known a chain of explosions can be stopped by another well placed one). The same goes for Agito tanking Silver Hammer, as it's an attack coming from a Divider i really doubt Agito could stop it just with barriers so i guess she could provoke another counter-reaction in order to block the attack. The thing is that the Huckebein are, in fact, physically stronger than the stronger members of Section Six(Arguably Vita, Signum and Subaru). They seem to be lacking in matter of shields and barriers but you probably don't need that when you have a virtually indestructible body that can also regenerate. Deville was able to damage Erio's Strike Cannon in one swing with an unreacted Divider proving his great strenght. Veyron as well by catching and damaging Subaru's Revolver Knuckle (altough that probably has more to do with his Claw Grab). Curren and Tohma put the ice on the cake by destroying easily Strike Cannons and Fortress units xD The fact Isis actually survived having her neck snapped by a direct hit from Deville is proof of her uncanny physical durability (superior to Vita's and almost on the level of EC-Drivers themselves). Nanoha was able to go toe to toe with Sankt Kaiser Vivio more likely due to her enormous boost from Blaster-3 who focuses on strenghening barriers around her body so she can contend with the humongous might of Vivio. It was amazing but it had consequences for Nanoha ...probably permanent.
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Nanoha blocked a punch from Vivio and was clashing with her, so no. She was, however, using the Blaster System.
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Regardless, I believe your point was that Nanoha can increase her physical power. Yes, she can. She did so in S1 in her fight against Fate. Quote:
And I do agree with Vez that we should take the speculation to their appropriate threads. Let's stick to facts in the FAQ. Last edited by Keroko; 2012-06-22 at 09:24. |
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2012-06-28, 09:28 | Link #4094 | |
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Not to say that it's impossible, but it's only canon for the movie.
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2012-06-28, 10:43 | Link #4095 |
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There are two canons (actually, more by now, but let's not dwell on it): the TV series+mangas canon and the movies canon. The movies exist in the TV/manga universe as an autobiographical movie telling Nanoha and Fate's childhood but they are still partly fictional. Therefore, anything found in the movies that does not correspond to things in the respective TV series is not part of the main Nanoha canon.
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2012-06-28, 11:00 | Link #4097 |
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And people are still divided on whether or not the whole "it's a movie in the series canon" thing is true, because the evidence for it are in sound-stages typically not considered canon due to the heavy fourth-wall breaking they cause.
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2012-06-28, 11:14 | Link #4098 |
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I know what's canon and what's not canon, that wasn't the question. 1st is a movie within the Nanohaverse, i.e. using Nanoha's SLB and Fate's attacks to prove how strong they are falls under propaganda among other things. Maybe I should've worded it better, but I'm talking about if things like multiple defenser existing in canon is plausible.
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Yeah, that's actually canon. The Defense Program had 4 layers of shields protecting it after all.
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A firecracker that goes off on your open palm will only burn you, because the explosion is free. But if you clenched your fist around the explosion, it will blow your hand apart, since the force is all bottled up with no easy escape. Yuuno would fare far better at defending himself even from an assault on all sides, as all of the pressure would be condensing his barrier from the outside rather than expanding it from the inside. An attack from just one direction would splash off his barrier, taking the path of least resistance and expending its energy harmlessly away from him. Nanoha says that she and Raising Heart need to go all out to pierce Yuuno's defenses. Considering their level of firepower, and what they consider "all-out", that's damn tough for a guy who doesn't use a Device to multitask or boost his spellwork. And "piercing his defenses" doesn't even mean they've beaten him yet. It doesn't even necessarily mean that they managed to *hurt* him. |
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