2010-09-28, 16:12 | Link #1 |
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ACTA : Why it should not pass
I'm sure everyone knows about ACTA, the secretive multi-nation agreement that will affect the internet in a major way(From what I read, it would mean that the federal government and corporations of whatever nation signed the act could get personal information from ISPs without a warrant.
Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement Since Japan is supposed to be a signatory, I feel that means it will be easier to shut down translation groups and such even easier. The second bill is an American bill that is even more frighting. Combating online Infringement and Counterfeits Act http://www.techeye.net/internet/comb...-rights-groups http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-..._b_739836.html This act would allow the US government to create two blacklists. The first list is an instant removal if an American domain, and a blocking for all American users if it has a domain from another nation. The user would see a 404 error page. These sites would be allowed to have judicial review, but it would be a long drawn out process. The second list is the Department of Justice list, which doesn't mean automatic removal/blockage, but a strong recommendation to do so. These sites would have no judicial review. The Act also allows ISPs to block sites on the second list, even if the federal government hasn't, at their own discretion. Any site can be blocked/removed, including this one, for Americans anyways. Any Americans on here have any thought on this? These bills could potentially stop people from all over the world from watching even unlicensed material, but the American act could really hurt the American anime fanbase. That law is China or Iranian esque censorship. [MOD EDIT] Link to the start of the current discussion [/MOD EDIT] Last edited by CrowKenobi; 2012-01-27 at 14:20. |
2010-09-28, 16:17 | Link #2 |
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Not so much fans, as it impacts everyone else. It'll be great to put your political opponents on the blacklist to shut down their message, or anyone else you disagree with.
But yeah, when you talk to regular folks, stress the question: "Why is the US so interested in pushing China and Iran level censorship on the rest of the world? Why are they trying to sneak this legislation in through the back door via a treaty instead of the normal process?" Equating it with China and Iran is a good move. But ultimately, it won't affect the hardcore fans so much as the casual ones. There will always be ways to encrypt and distribute anime/manga material to those who want it. The casual ones will have a tougher time finding it, but as long as they have one hardcore techy friend, they'll get it. Even if we have to reduce ourselves to invitation-only sneaker nets, SSH tunnels, and sneakernets. |
2010-09-28, 16:57 | Link #3 |
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I've always been against internet regulation because it is now the only tool through which people can fulfill their right of knowledge. It is the largest, most efficient and cheapest source of information that allows people to freely communicate and exchange knowledge. Censoring it and controlling it would be stripping people of a basic human right. And I find it even more disgusting that the US would try to enforce its brand of censorship on the rest of the world, and I fail to find the correct words to express my fury at how the US is even trying to obtain methods by which to get personal information through ISP's without warning. That's downright breach of people's privacy. It's getting to a point where people have to be afraid of what they say on the internet because they may get into serious trouble for it. It's ironic that this is happening in the US, the very country that advocates democracy and freedom of speech. Despicable. Absolutely dusgsting.
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2010-09-28, 17:01 | Link #4 |
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For once... I support Obama with his vow to preserve open Internet. Of course I don't know if he will back this up forever, but I'm going to support him for now. Even Federal Communications Commission Chairman Julius Genachowski agrees with him
I think this is a little troublesome to block all sites outside of the U.S..
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2010-09-28, 17:06 | Link #6 |
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Anime will be the least of our concerns as global citizens if the ACTA is passed, this thing is so full of corporatist evil (assuming that even half of what the leaks about this highly secretive document contain are true). It simply does not serve the interests of the general public or even of the creative artists - its a stranglehold by the middlemen that criminalizes and provides no recourse.
Tsuyoshi, the "US" is being used as a tool by these multi-national corporations (e.g. Sony, Disney, the consortiums behind the MPAA/RIAA) to force the world's consumers into little revenue-extracting buckets and protect by force existing business models. Australia and the EU government are being likewise manipulated (amongst others). So target your wrath precisely
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But still... Whats the point in doing this now? All this stuff has been happening for however long, and it has not become a major problem to the U.S in a major way. Or do they want to just piss us off? Quote:
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2010-09-28, 17:15 | Link #9 |
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And what would that be? The presidency has been a tool of economics and large corporations since the second world war, if not before that. Why are governments and business institutions working so hard to control the people and their liberty, the flow of information? Conspiracy theorists like me can come up with millions of reasons why they would, and since I have a theory of my own, I strongly believe that the president has no control over this. The last time a US president sought to give the people the freedom they deserved after protecting them from a nuclear apocalypse, he got shot in a public procession. Tells you how much control they really have.
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2010-09-28, 17:23 | Link #11 |
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I can vouch for that But yeah, that's a good point. If the bill gets passed and people get personal info, digging up things people said, even in the distant past, would have serious repercussions. It's exactly like Geroge Orwell's 1984. Sometimes I wonder if he had the power to see the future.....
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2010-09-28, 18:11 | Link #13 | |
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I had always assumed that the casual anime fan(Such as myself) would eventually be forced out of the unlicensed shows. I knew that torrent sites, translation groups, etc. would eventually be shut down. I know hardcore fans will be able to get passed, but I am not tech saavy enough to know how to do such things. I mean, stuff like IRC confuses the hell out of me. Every time I've ever tried to use it, I get banned, lol. Even for the fans in the know, they can be slowed. If list sites such as andb or baka manga are taken down, you might not even know what you want to watch/read or how to even find a group translating it. Luckily for me, I have actually been losing interest in most new shows/manga and am actually only following a few older ones until they finish. I guess then it is time to find a new hobby. |
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2010-09-28, 18:36 | Link #14 |
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It's really too bad that a lot of corporations and other things are trying to control and restrict instead of embracing and using what the internet provides for them. Digital Distribution is already taking off for a lot of video game companies. Honestly I can't remember the quote or where I saw it recently but it was something like you can't walk backwards into the future. I'm probably off on it but that describes my feelings on the subject.
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2010-09-28, 21:05 | Link #15 |
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In a very personal sense and factually speaking, before I found fansubs my expenditures on anime and manga were basically ZERO dollars - I simply was not interested.
After some encouragement from a web comic artist, I tried a few recommended series via fansubs ... now I watch fansubs regularly and spend $1000-$2000 a year on average on manga/anime/figures/etc. Take away my ability to preview/watch broadcast tv shows (just like japanese viewers get to do) and my expenditures will go back down to just about zero because I (bluntly) "don't buy shit without being able to check it out". And no, streaming really doesn't do the trick (though I know how to capture it) for me, streaming doesn't really work like it does "on tv" ... it flakes, stutters, and pauses even on really good connections with really good computers. So.. that's the direct impact on me and, ergo, the direct impact on the anime/jpop industry. ACTA will have unintended impacts on those who wave its banner.
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2010-09-28, 21:25 | Link #17 |
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Same thing for me... The only intake the anime industry would have from my household would be all the Dragonball tapes I bought back in the 90's-early 00's if it weren't for fansubs. Not that I'm a rabid consumer, but I never would have bought any DVD boxsets without fansubs.
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