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**Solace** · 2012-04-06, 14:51

Hmm. That's good logic, I can't find much to argue there. I surmise that Rosemary got the number one rank from Hysteria. This plays into the way the story presents Teresa to the other characters, in that somehow none of them realized how strong she really was. This was the central point of the special chapter, even, and it seemed the only one capable of noticing her true potential was Raphaela, and that was when Teresa was just a recruit.

It's likely that Teresa was still a lower digit, since Hysteria didn't recognize her. This would provide enough time for Rosemary to feel threatened by Teresa's rapid advance to the top and ultimately lead to her own demise.

Casshern · 2012-04-06, 15:25

Amazing, readers are actually happy to see Raki. I remember almost everyone would bash him when he was a kid. Anyway, this arc had some of the best and worst dialogue of this series; the best being the awesome exchanges between Cassandra and Roxanne and the worst being the cheesy villain lines from Hysteria and the cheesy hero lines from the claymores.

Ryus · 2012-04-06, 16:02

Ok... Im confused. What does a neg that says only "priscilla" even mean? Was I just Yoki Astroprojected?

btw Id ask if I was pos repped too since I view reps as ways to remind myself to improve myself and when its not clear or I cant guess by me either being helpful or rude, I just have no idea why someone bothered if that makes any sense.

As to Raki at least he doesnt cry like he did in the anime every other line and is kinda becoming a badass... but with a very bad sense of humor. I mean really that last line calling himself a kiddo with that goofy grin wasnt a great entrence to say the least...

Expendable GM Pilot · 2012-04-06, 16:02

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Originally Posted by creb

Wasn't it Helen who suggested Claire keeps Raki around as a sex toy?

I thought Claymores have zero sex drive. If I'm wrong someone tell what chapter it says otherwise.

Valky · 2012-04-06, 16:05

Raki shows up with his harem. And now trying to conquer Helen and co.

**Solace** · 2012-04-06, 16:14

@Ryus - Well he's kinda been that goofy person since he first reappeared with Priscilla.

I can live with this Raki vs the crying Raki.

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Originally Posted by Expendable GM Pilot

I thought Claymores have zero sex drive. If I'm wrong someone tell what chapter it says otherwise.

They have a sex drive, it's just that it has to be kept under control since the feelings of awakening and the feelings of orgasm are closely linked. That's why men don't make good Claymore - they're easier to get off.

Anyway, I think Helen meant it more like a pet for amusement than anything serious.

thundrakkon · 2012-04-06, 16:21

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Also, I wonder if Hysteria was telling the truth about Teresa, or if that was Priscilla's memories blurring with hers.

I think it was a combination of both. At first, Hysteria was telling her story of her demise. However, as soon as the memory of Teresa became more apparent, Priscilla's conscious started to emerge. The part when she started screaming its her fault and she's a murderer (referring to Teresa), that was definitely Priscilla's memories and personality.

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Originally Posted by Solace

It's likely that Teresa was still a lower digit, since Hysteria didn't recognize her. This would provide enough time for Rosemary to feel threatened by Teresa's rapid advance to the top and ultimately lead to her own demise.

From what I understood from the translation, Teresa was a brand new warrior at that time, although she was given a single digit. Rosemary would feel threaten with a new warrior right at the single digits.

By the way, even though the organization thinks that Priscilla is the strongest warrior they ever made, it is still arguable that Teresa could be stronger since she hid her powers from the organization and Priscilla was cowering in fear before her. Either way, with the mention of Teresa in this chapter, I hope that they bring some more story with her in the next few chapters.

I am glad that they will finally move the story forward now.

Mizuno · 2012-04-06, 16:22

Though it's nice to think about Raki building a harem, it's good to remember there's something grotesque on every one of these girls' bodies. Something that hasn't been fully explained since chapter 1. Only the ones who have awakened or half-awakened have the 'mark' removed. Though certainly a Miria is fine too.

Ryus · 2012-04-06, 16:44

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Originally Posted by Solace

@Ryus - Well he's kinda been that goofy person since he first reappeared with Priscilla.

I can live with this Raki vs the crying Raki.

They have a sex drive, it's just that it has to be kept under control since the feelings of awakening and the feelings of orgasm are closely linked. That's why men don't make good Claymore - they're easier to get off.

Anyway, I think Helen meant it more like a pet for amusement than anything serious.

True enough... Raki has always been goofy

But as to the sex drive that explation was only in the anime... the manga never said sex drive at all only males almost always awaken upon releasing yoki. Its still a decent explaination but in the manga thread it remains speculation until stated otherwise in the manga or databook.

Many people who can read Japanese have double checked the raw and said that was never implied there (seen this convo many many times in the past 3 years

)... beyond that I cant say since I cant read Japanese to double check that myself.

As to having a sex drive it's never stated but since Roxanne and Cassandra "shared a pillow" I'm assuming that theory might now be debunked. There still might be a limit to how far they can go but maybe if they supress there yoki they can do it and enjoy it as long as they maintain control of there yoki. As to awakening maybe releasing it does act like sex or maybe not, all I can say is awakening may always be orgaziming but orgaziming may not always release yoki, or maybe the two are titally independent. I'll just add Agatha did say everything was working down there... take that as you will about any AB kids or demiwarriors being born theories.

germanturkey · 2012-04-06, 22:12

THEY MENTIONED TERESA. EXCELLENT CHAPTER. they also mentioned clare, does that mean they're going to actually progress the story now?

Nixl · 2012-04-06, 22:20

If by some chance anyone still cannot find a full translation just PM me. Ya never know.

Also, Ryus, I gotta ask, why stick around in this thread when you are just about the only regular left? I can understand you posting in the other sections, but why here? Who is going to respond any time soon? No Gooral, no Shiek927 and so on.

I liked force ghost Priscilla, but the fact that she can seemingly possess people seems like yet another leap in power. By possess I mean that erratic speech Hysteria made and Cassandra's murmurs. Those both appeared like Priscilla's work.

ronin myael · 2012-04-06, 22:48

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Originally Posted by Casshern

Amazing, readers are actually happy to see Raki. I remember almost everyone would bash him when he was a kid. Anyway, this arc had some of the best and worst dialogue of this series; the best being the awesome exchanges between Cassandra and Roxanne and the worst being the cheesy villain lines from Hysteria and the cheesy hero lines from the claymores.

i never bashed him. i always found raki to be quite cute.

yeah, i thought this arc had the longest and most boring fights in the series. the new characters introduced were kinda dull too. i only read it out of habit. hopefully things will start looking up now that these fights are over. i want to see clare and perhaps some actual plot.

Ryus · 2012-04-06, 23:39

@Nixl

I posted on many Claymore threads before and will continue too now. Plus not everyone left, JeanClaymore for one is still here and a few others (solace for one, when posting as a fan and not working, usually makes very astute posts (even when I disagree, and i always like it when you can disagree with a post but there conclusion is well founded, stated, and clear) about the plot and being a mod I doubt he'll leave here

). Mostly though since different convos could crop up on one or another thread and I just migrate to the ones I find most interesting

As to full translation why would they need it the scan is out on every site by now.

Also lets wait on saying Priscilla can posses people when in truth Hysteria was fading away as it was. So really what was left of her to possess? But I suppose it's a debate of how quickly yoki fades after death and when death happens or at least consciousness fading to subconsciousness before one's death, which is an odd question when you think about it since Raphaela was able to merge with her dead/dying sister Luciela, Clare did inherit Teresa's powers long after she had died, and Clare gained Raphaela's memories as she simultaneously awakened.

No character has stated the powers nature or even speculated on it, so possession maybe too strong a word (or maybe not, it's all pov right now I suppose

), however I will say that both Hysteria and Priscilla now shared a yoki flesh, so a yoki sync was possible in a sense... as shocking as it was the groundwork for it being cannon was laid and with Hysteria's mind.

@ronin myael

Just curious for some female perspective... when you say Raki is cute do you mean as a kid, man, or both? And Yes I think everyone wants to actually get our main character back in the story... maybe Yagi did this just to show how under appreciated she was

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I thought Claymores have zero sex drive. If I'm wrong someone tell what chapter it says otherwise.

Chapter 25 was Helen's plaything comment. In ch 75 Agatha offers a "good time" to Cid before the end, stating her parts worked (may not be about warriors but it does imply in Claymore the body parts work, implying sex drive logically should be active). In ch 117 Cassandra and Roxanne "shared a pillow".

A bit less likely to imply anything but Clare did have two kiss scenes and in one she reacted differently than the other, the meaning though would be based on your interpretations of the scenes and characters. They are ch 11 and ch 34 (in 11 Clare is just stunned but in 34 Clare shakes in fear at first then continues kissing and isn't shaking).

Also Riful and Dauf had a greatly implied "relationship" so once again like Agatha unless you believe that in the Claymore stage they loss there sex drive but in there AB stage they regain it then this is likely a false assumption. The real issue is these girls just have been living on the edge of life and death for so long they've had no time to think about sex and if they did knowing the lack of it they'd get now that they are warriors would only likely make them more resentful and lonely, so best not to think about it if possible... and even if they did get it the risk of brinign a half yoma kid into this world would likely make any potential mother choose to not have a kid instead.

Now warriors have been shown to want children, such as Teresa and Irene so one could argue that implies they did have a still active sex drive.

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Originally Posted by Mizuno

Though it's nice to think about Raki building a harem, it's good to remember there's something grotesque on every one of these girls' bodies. Something that hasn't been fully explained since chapter 1. Only the ones who have awakened or half-awakened have the 'mark' removed. Though certainly a Miria is fine too.

When was it ever stated half awakens lost there marks too? Ophelia clearly touched something in her shirt and drew blood from it, so that can't be right.

creb · 2012-04-07, 05:19

I have spent years thinking about this so called 'disfigurement' and I've come to the conclusion that unless it's a tiny Yoma face that sticking out of their belly button, with the amount of skin we've seen over the years during various battles, etc, I can't imagine ANYTHING there that would actually revolt me.

And some of the Claymores are hot enough that I'm not even sure that would be enough to turn me...um...off?

Now, I know whatever is there is supposed to be revolting, but this is something I suspect Yagi has backed himself into a corner with, and nothing he ever reveals about the 'disfigurement' will ever match the implications he's given, so he's probably best off never revealing it at all.

As for Raki, it's not fair to compare our reactions to grown up Raki vs little girl Raki. They're apples and oranges. The demotivational poster of Raki will always bring a smile, even though I rather like the grown up Raki of today.

I see Dae and the MIB as rather meaningless figures. It's like Yoma have been meaningless figures in this manga for years once Claire got her new arm from Irene. Power creep occurs in shounen fighting manga.

From my perspective, they'll only become meaningful again if Yagi decides he wants to continue to put off the showdown with Prisc and go on another side tangent where he starts introducing new types of monsters via the 'Dragon Men', whose intro would probably bring along with it the mainland force the MIB are a part of, and due to the laws of Power Creep, this mainland force would be on an entirely different level strength-wise, etc, etc, which as I type this, starts to becoming increasingly plausible in my head, as he's sort of run out of things he can do to make Yoma/Awakened 'scary'. I mean, was anyone for one second worried about our various heroes in this last arc? Yea, power creep. Time for some new types of baddies!

(Or, maybe we get back on track and finally get the showdown with Prisc, and the oft-argued ending that culminates in a heavy-handed discourse on the wisdom of revenge and the meaning of humanity).

Nixl · 2012-04-07, 06:08

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@Nixl

I posted on many Claymore threads before and will continue too now. Plus not everyone left, JeanClaymore for one is still here and a few others (solace for one, when posting as a fan and not working, usually makes very astute posts (even when I disagree, and i always like it when you can disagree with a post but there conclusion is well founded, stated, and clear) about the plot and being a mod I doubt he'll leave here

). Mostly though since different convos could crop up on one or another thread and I just migrate to the ones I find most interesting

As to full translation why would they need it the scan is out on every site by now.

Word Ryus, while I understand what you are saying, it just seems like slim pickings when there are only two posters to rely on for discussion(of course there may be others). I certainly do not have the morale to post on AS anymore, especially not for Claymore. I guess part of the reason is that I typically see Manga threads as shallow Necropoles of spoiler tags and Q/A. No matter how many posters are left, they will be drowned in a sea of QA and spoiler tags. To be honest this is how I imagine the future of the thread,

Spoiler for .:

I just cannot get excited to post on AS anymore, not even for shit posting and semi trolling with Deneve pics. Just leaves a bad taste in my mouth when I know so many others are elsewhere.

As for the translation, you'd be surprised. Furthermore, one might just want to preemptively try to cut down on the QA clutter that I feel shall inevitably come to roost. Hopefully I am wrong, but...

As to the topic of Priscilla, while possession is an incredibly leap, we have seen Priscilla do some rather shocking things even for an AB. For instance, she used her arm to block an infection of the Destroyer for Raki on the spot. She just did it. Now, we have her astral projecting from her body.

creb · 2012-04-07, 06:16

Meh, I think the word 'possession' is far too strong for what we saw in this chapter. I see it as more of a residual memory that has a brief flare of 'life' before fading away. Not a real conscious individual being.

evil_kenshin · 2012-04-07, 06:22

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Originally Posted by Mizuno

Though it's nice to think about Raki building a harem, it's good to remember there's something grotesque on every one of these girls' bodies. Something that hasn't been fully explained since chapter 1. Only the ones who have awakened or half-awakened have the 'mark' removed. Though certainly a Miria is fine too.

though to be fair; considering Raki has Priscilla's arm sticking into him surely he would have some sorta disfigurement in the area it was shoved into unless yoki repaired him.

Dj0rel · 2012-04-07, 07:38

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Originally Posted by creb

I have spent years thinking about this so called 'disfigurement' and I've come to the conclusion that unless it's a tiny Yoma face that sticking out of their belly button, with the amount of skin we've seen over the years during various battles, etc, I can't imagine ANYTHING there that would actually revolt me.

And some of the Claymores are hot enough that I'm not even sure that would be enough to turn me...um...off?

I don't think the 'disfigurement' is as bad as everyone has made it out to be. The people in Claymore were shown to be extra sensitive when confronted with yoma related stuff. Remember when Clare was a kid, Teresa commented on how the villagers were probably too afraid to clean her because of the bruises from that yoma. Those were just bruises and the villagers got freaked. I think the 'disfigurement' is simply the scar from the hybridization procedure.

Mizuno · 2012-04-07, 08:04

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When was it ever stated half awakens lost there marks too? Ophelia clearly touched something in her shirt and drew blood from it, so that can't be right.

It wasn't shown clearly in the manga but in the anime Deneve's almost fatal wound in her abdomen closed up and it looked perfectly like normal human flesh. Now I understand it's the anime but still, if they wanted to keep it mysterious, they could have shaded it out or something.

It's not unreasonable to conjecture this either... we are already certain that once they have fully awakened and revert back to human form, there's no mark whatsoever left on their bodies. If they have enough yoki to regenerate any part of their body (except their heads) in their half awakened state, shouldn't they be able to regenerate their torsos back to how it originally was? Without the physical proof left from a piece of yoma inserted into their bodies? Like some others have said, it might just be a huge scar that looks like yoma flesh. Scars can be easily removed... except for what's on Miria's face apparently.

Ryus · 2012-04-07, 08:26

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Originally Posted by Mizuno

It wasn't shown clearly in the manga but in the anime Deneve's almost fatal wound in her abdomen closed up and it looked perfectly like normal human flesh. Now I understand it's the anime but still, if they wanted to keep it mysterious, they could have shaded it out or something.

I had totally forgotten about that scene, true it was anime only but one could point to Clare's reemeregence from the blob and say I saw between her breasts and there was nothing. Now this doesnt mean it was purposely not included for the "mysterious" angle but I see how one coild come to that conclusion.

Personally I think it is still there, just left out on purpose since nothing we can imagine could look as bad as Yagi intended. After all Miria is discuted by what she is still, if the wound went away they could be found out easier, and Ophelia did clearly touch something. You may have come to a different conclusion but at least it seems founded on logic, I was scared based on your last comment you where imagining a scene or something.

The only way I believe the wound would go away is if the half awakened learned to fully awaken (not half way or limb awakening but Alicia/Beth level without reversion to Claymore mode after but human form) but maintain there humanity, of course the is speculation however if Clare was to go Goddess on us I doubt she'd have a giant wound on her chest.

Oh one flaw with the bleeding wound, as implied to be there by Ophelia sticking her fingers down Clares shirt, if it is like that or opens that easily then there shirts would be bloodsoacked all the time. Oh well, I suppose Claymore wouldnt sell if there shirts where constant bandages.

@Evil K

Who knows about Raki...lolz his eyes art work was silver warrior style for a bit then it wasnt. Then he used his arm like anyone else yet its still bandaged up like crazy as if its just there to cover up an infection. I agree he should have an infected arm since the two fleshes had days to merge with his flesh (and the rods a few minutes head start to Priscillas hand) and rods infected Deneve in seconds. So unless the mib removed the arm

there should just be no way they got rid of all the infection even if Prisccilas hand did make the rods infection inert (which should have implied that her hand would then go on yo infect Raki

not save him). Oh the plot holes with this topic

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Solace (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006	Hmm. That's good logic, I can't find much to argue there. I surmise that Rosemary got the number one rank from Hysteria. This plays into the way the story presents Teresa to the other characters, in that somehow none of them realized how strong she really was. This was the central point of the special chapter, even, and it seemed the only one capable of noticing her true potential was Raphaela, and that was when Teresa was just a recruit. It's likely that Teresa was still a lower digit, since Hysteria didn't recognize her. This would provide enough time for Rosemary to feel threatened by Teresa's rapid advance to the top and ultimately lead to her own demise. __________________

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Ryus The One Eyed King Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Lurking Up Ahead	Ok... Im confused. What does a neg that says only "priscilla" even mean? Was I just Yoki Astroprojected? btw Id ask if I was pos repped too since I view reps as ways to remind myself to improve myself and when its not clear or I cant guess by me either being helpful or rude, I just have no idea why someone bothered if that makes any sense. As to Raki at least he doesnt cry like he did in the anime every other line and is kinda becoming a badass... but with a very bad sense of humor. I mean really that last line calling himself a kiddo with that goofy grin wasnt a great entrence to say the least... __________________ Last edited by Ryus; 2012-04-06 at 16:12.

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germanturkey Udon-YAAAAAAAA Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 35	THEY MENTIONED TERESA. EXCELLENT CHAPTER. they also mentioned clare, does that mean they're going to actually progress the story now? __________________ Aria is the best series EVER. Rewatch Origination with me. Blessed are those who listen to headphones, for they listen to the sound of heaven.

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Casshern Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004	Amazing, readers are actually happy to see Raki. I remember almost everyone would bash him when he was a kid. Anyway, this arc had some of the best and worst dialogue of this series; the best being the awesome exchanges between Cassandra and Roxanne and the worst being the cheesy villain lines from Hysteria and the cheesy hero lines from the claymores.

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Nixl Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009	If by some chance anyone still cannot find a full translation just PM me. Ya never know. Also, Ryus, I gotta ask, why stick around in this thread when you are just about the only regular left? I can understand you posting in the other sections, but why here? Who is going to respond any time soon? No Gooral, no Shiek927 and so on. I liked force ghost Priscilla, but the fact that she can seemingly possess people seems like yet another leap in power. By possess I mean that erratic speech Hysteria made and Cassandra's murmurs. Those both appeared like Priscilla's work.

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creb Hiding Under Your Bed Join Date: May 2008	I have spent years thinking about this so called 'disfigurement' and I've come to the conclusion that unless it's a tiny Yoma face that sticking out of their belly button, with the amount of skin we've seen over the years during various battles, etc, I can't imagine ANYTHING there that would actually revolt me. And some of the Claymores are hot enough that I'm not even sure that would be enough to turn me...um...off? Now, I know whatever is there is supposed to be revolting, but this is something I suspect Yagi has backed himself into a corner with, and nothing he ever reveals about the 'disfigurement' will ever match the implications he's given, so he's probably best off never revealing it at all. As for Raki, it's not fair to compare our reactions to grown up Raki vs little girl Raki. They're apples and oranges. The demotivational poster of Raki will always bring a smile, even though I rather like the grown up Raki of today. I see Dae and the MIB as rather meaningless figures. It's like Yoma have been meaningless figures in this manga for years once Claire got her new arm from Irene. Power creep occurs in shounen fighting manga. From my perspective, they'll only become meaningful again if Yagi decides he wants to continue to put off the showdown with Prisc and go on another side tangent where he starts introducing new types of monsters via the 'Dragon Men', whose intro would probably bring along with it the mainland force the MIB are a part of, and due to the laws of Power Creep, this mainland force would be on an entirely different level strength-wise, etc, etc, which as I type this, starts to becoming increasingly plausible in my head, as he's sort of run out of things he can do to make Yoma/Awakened 'scary'. I mean, was anyone for one second worried about our various heroes in this last arc? Yea, power creep. Time for some new types of baddies! (Or, maybe we get back on track and finally get the showdown with Prisc, and the oft-argued ending that culminates in a heavy-handed discourse on the wisdom of revenge and the meaning of humanity). __________________ http://myanimelist.net/animelist/creb http://myanimelist.net/mangalist/creb It feels like years since they've been updated, btw. Also, cake.

2012-04-07, 06:16	Link #356
creb Hiding Under Your Bed Join Date: May 2008	Meh, I think the word 'possession' is far too strong for what we saw in this chapter. I see it as more of a residual memory that has a brief flare of 'life' before fading away. Not a real conscious individual being. __________________ http://myanimelist.net/animelist/creb http://myanimelist.net/mangalist/creb It feels like years since they've been updated, btw. Also, cake.