2013-03-18, 13:32 | Link #121 |
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The reason I mention things from Miyuki's perspective is because people keep on acting as though there's no possible reason he could have for resenting his situation to the point of lashing out at innocent parties (Izumiko). Trust me, if the fandom opinion was in Miyuki's corner and people were bashing Izumiko, I'd be defending her in the exact same way and zeal. It doesn't mean Miyuki's actions are right, it just means he has his own reasons that make sense to him personally with the knowledge he has.
With knowing so little about the situation as outside viewers, perhaps people shouldn't be so quick to judge.
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2013-03-18, 13:38 | Link #122 | |
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We understand Miyuki might have his reasons for acting the way he does, that still doesn't mean we should defend him. That type of mental abuse should not be defended.
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2013-03-18, 13:50 | Link #123 |
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Sorry, but I find no issue with "defending" Miyuki, as a character. Defending isn't the same as justifying. Even if he has better reasons than I've put forth, it's pretty obvious that his way of expressing them are wrong and unhelpful (at the very least).
When I finished watching the episode, I had enjoyed it a lot, in large part because of the interplay between the two of them. Miyuki is right when he says that wanting to change isn't the same as actually changing, which was an interesting juxtaposition from the equally true stance that Izumiko cutting her hair was an immensely brave act on her end. Ogiwara's works are usually about nuance, where no one is ever fully right or wrong, so I find the persistent insistence on flattening one of the two leads into a villain to be pretty irritating.
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2013-03-18, 14:35 | Link #124 | |
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I find the entire set up of the relationship and the writing problematic. After the way he treated her the series is probably going to try to tell me that they fall in love. I am sick of this type of relationship in fiction where the guy's abusive actions (and yes it was abusive) are justified because he has a sad past and or a heart of gold underneath being a complete jerk.
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2013-03-18, 15:02 | Link #125 | |
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I don't know, maybe it's just because when I was in highschool a guy that bullied me later became a really nice friend that this kind of development doesn't frustrate me.
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2013-03-18, 15:07 | Link #126 | |
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2013-03-18, 18:36 | Link #128 |
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I sometimes do enjoy the jerk with the heart of gold trope but not usually when the male character treats the female character THAT poorly.
One exception I can think of is Fakir from Princess Tutu, I think that series did a really good job of explaining why he was acting the way he did but I can't think of many other examples. So yeah I am not saying it is impossible I will warm up to the character.
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2013-03-18, 23:17 | Link #129 |
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Episode 1
I don't know anything about this show, so I don't really have any expectations. However, the OP could have been made for an otome game, so there's a good idea of what genre Red Data Girl is supposed to fit within.
From the start, the 3DCG is pretty weak - I'm not sure why they decided to model the house that way. The helicopter in the middle is downright ugly. The 2D work is a lot prettier, I even like the character designs even though I wish that the noses are a bit more prominent. The color palette is pretty pleasant, and I especially like Izumiko's glasses - they're the brightest color in the entire show. As for the rest of the show, it's a bit hard to say much about it since a lot of the key information has been deliberately witheld from the audience. It's been pretty promising so far though.
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2013-03-18, 23:51 | Link #130 |
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Episode 1
Well now, this has a romantic atmosphere. The female MC is quite simple... but who knows when they will remove her glasses.... I'm still confuse though of what this anime is really about.... Now our led guy... is he a tsundere? Love hate relation is what I'm seeing here... I'm still interested... hope is continues this way.... |
2013-03-19, 10:41 | Link #131 |
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Both the lead girl and the lead guy are being played quite extreme. She is very shy and uncertain. He is being extremely nasty. They both make a strong impression, positive or not. I enjoy her but not him. Maybe because I can identify more with her. But I have confidence that both their attitudes will (a) be explained to us more, and (b) will soften as the show proceeds. But he is about the most extreme version of his kind of character that I can remember. Hard to sympathize with, so far. Even when his father beat him up.
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2013-03-20, 07:53 | Link #134 |
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The funny thing is, the second I saw Yukimasa went out to pick his son up, I just jokingly said to myself “Oh, Miyuki's dad gonna beat him up and bring him back LOL”. Still, what I imagined in my head was something a lot more comical. I never thought that the anime would bring my imagination into the next level and presented me an actual child abuse . I mean, seriously, Miyuki even took some painkillers for his injuries (and after all that, he was still hurting! )
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2013-03-20, 14:53 | Link #136 |
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Episode one made me uncomfortable, but I'd like to make it clear that I found it very entertaining and have gone back to watch it 2-3 more times. To me, this show has a kind of inner strength that could make it something special. The incredible wateriness of the lead girl, as played by Hayami Saori, was a great counterpoint both to her desire to change and to the over-the-top harshness of the guy.
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2013-03-24, 01:19 | Link #138 |
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Okay, Episode 2 didn't make me want to throw things at my screen -- Miyuki seemed a little more tame this time around. I also like how both Izumiko and Miyuki still interact with one another a fair amount despite their high amount of dislike for one another.
The focus on the creepy atmosphere and Izumiko's fear of the unknown was something I quite liked. Watching as the series' mysteries continue to build up and get solved will be interesting. It also seems like Yukimasa may possibly be something even nastier than what his Miyuki beatdown let on. While I'm still not fond of Miyuki just yet, I can appreciate his "I don't take anyone's bullshit" sense of skepticism, as well as the fact that he was well aware of Izumiko's fright and didn't just shrug off how she felt. The visuals are still quite nice, despite their simplicity. "Possessed" Izumiko was rather beautiful. The music was also a welcome touch.
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2013-03-24, 04:44 | Link #139 |
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This anime seems to remind me of Code-E or Mission-E. But with Shintoism thrown at it, I think I'm confused on what's going on with Izumiko and why she's being hunted by those shadow beings from Ep. 2.
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2013-03-24, 07:30 | Link #140 | |
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