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Xaturas · 2011-08-19, 19:34

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Originally Posted by xeon921

It really depends... I been out at night with a groups of people from college and some of the girls had to be home by midnight or their father would shit bricks. I don't think it is really that strange if they live at home because some fathers are really overprotective of their daughters.

Still when your daughter has a BF and you know he ain't a prick, you know his family, it should be quite understandable to lower the curfew or at least throw some good intentions (she is damn 19-20 can almost drink alcohol in jpn and stuff, and yet they treat her like a child???). That is if you know that your daugher has a bf. As it is now eba could say that she goes to her girl friends ...
Seriously I even speed read (more like run trough pictures not much to read there) this chapter, and I would take Rin any day over yuzuki. Her screwing with you aside, she is so damn better/alive than yuzuki. You could pop haruto/yuzuki cardboards in room and it would be almost the same as them being in that room.

Master Chibi · 2011-08-19, 20:41

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Originally Posted by xeon921

It really depends... I been out at night with a groups of people from college and some of the girls had to be home by midnight or their father would shit bricks. I don't think it is really that strange if they live at home because some fathers are really overprotective of their daughters.

Overprotective nothing, that's smart thinking.

Unless he knew that Haruto was a dickless wonder, in which case she'd be allowed to stay out all night~

mangaf_cksdotcom · 2011-08-19, 23:15

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Originally Posted by xeon921

It really depends... I been out at night with a groups of people from college and some of the girls had to be home by midnight or their father would shit bricks. I don't think it is really that strange if they live at home because some fathers are really overprotective of their daughters.

I guess in Eba's case, her curfew might be related to her runaways on her high school days... but i dont think her father is overprotective... she was sent away to Hiroshima as if she was the cause of trouble. afterall, she is the real Eba here. if she really is the kind of sweet girl that Seo sells to his readers, there's no way a father would choose the other 2 than her own biological child. and a "strict" 10pm curfew is a bit early for a college student. so maybe there's more to the eba family that will be revealed, soon...

Seo, please make this arc reasonable... but i doubt he want to end this yet.

Xaturas · 2011-08-20, 11:09

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Originally Posted by mangaf_cksdotcom

I guess in Eba's case, her curfew might be related to her runaways on her high school days... but i dont think her father is overprotective... she was sent away to Hiroshima as if she was the cause of trouble. afterall, she is the real Eba here. if she really is the kind of sweet girl that Seo sells to his readers, there's no way a father would choose the other 2 than her own biological child. and a "strict" 10pm curfew is a bit early for a college student. so maybe there's more to the eba family that will be revealed, soon...

Seo, please make this arc reasonable... but i doubt he want to end this yet.

She is an alien who change into mushroom after 10pm ^^.
Nah seriously even I'm kinda interested in her family, as its almost the only still existing plot element which wasn't pushed away (hope so).

KLGChaos · 2011-08-20, 12:05

The problem I've seen with this whole moving arc comes down to one simple issue that I, and I'm sure several others, have:

If this chapter was written before the Tokyo arc, it would be a good, relationship development chapter. As it is, this whole "moving" arc doesn't really work. Seo seems to be trying to get things back to the status quo-- namely, give the manga the same feeling it had before the Tokyo arc hit. That's not really possible, however, as everything that's happened for the past 60 chapters will forever cast a shadow on the rest of the manga. Kind of like the old saying "You can't go home again."

The biggest problem is that he has Haruto and Eba acting like they did before and throughout the whole Tokyo arc. They haven't changed. Haruto is still indecisive, willing to do idiotic things though he has a girlfriend (pretending to be Nanami's boyfriend with Eba, going on a date with Eba while going out with Asuka) and let's himself be manipulated by Rin. Eba still is playing games with the whole "home" circumstances-- hiding things from Haruto.

It's as if everything that's happened to them the past two years-- the Kazama ordeal and his death, Haruto hurting Asuka in such a bad way and losing his friends-- means absolutely nothing to the story as Seo tries to return things to the way they were. It's as if they've learned absolutely nothing from the experiences they've had and are still stuck where they were back in high school before everything went down with the break up. Seo is trying to push a reset button on the relationship, but that doesn't work in real life. Experience shape and change people, which hasn't happened to Haruto or Eba, and frankly, if it were a real couple, I'd believe it would kill the relationship in the end because they're repeating the same mistakes they made back then.

All it would take is another time of Haruto being a moron and helping another girl (like Shiori) or Eba feeling insecure again and latching onto an excuse to break up for history to repeat itself.

Everything that's happened to Haruto and Eba should have helped them to mature and change the dynamics of their relationship, but it hasn't. It's business as usual between them as if the Tokyo arc never happened, as if the two years of pain and sadness between them never existed in the first place. It's not good to live your life blind to what you've learned.

I believe Haruto and Eba could work in the story and people would be more accepting of it if the characters themselves actually showed any sense of forward progress and change in the relationship itself. But there is none. One confession and a jump in a river later and it's all back to the square one.

This is just my view on the matter, of course.

aliasxn · 2011-08-20, 12:18

Yeah. At the very least, now that he knows where her priorities lie he should've made sure she doesn't have anymore dying friends before goind back together. He's learned nothing.

mangaf_cksdotcom · 2011-08-21, 00:48

Yeah, 100% agree with KLG...

i cant help but feel that Eba's hiding something, or is it just because what she did in the past that i cant let my guard down on her. She wants to spend time with Haruto but declined a 5- minute walk to her house? every girl I've known would be happy to be accompanied home by their BF, because it shows that the guy has the balls to meet the family. hmmm... a secret?

(i remembered Asuka, Haruto took her for granted and no special treatment at all, he cant even send her off the train station)

Haruto also asked Eba out on a date but i did not hear an answer from her, instead she used her anti-haruto weapon, the "puppy-look" (very effective BTW, kind of manipulation technique

) and haruto forgot he asked her out. i was expecting

something dramatic on the next page but

it was just nonsense... i think having a date outside is different from visiting the apartment. she could have gladly answered a "yes" and add the "can i also come by tomorrow?". or is it just Seo who can't differentiate a date and a regular visit. (again, i remember asuka. did they have an official date? in 1.5 years?)

vansonbee · 2011-08-21, 01:44

Only date that he written, was when he took her to the baseball game, to make himself feel better, when he went into a sex hotel w/ the other girl.

I've to agree that he took Asuka kindness/trust for granted.. lol

ShiroiRyu · 2011-08-21, 12:03

Oh man ...When i read Princess Lucia after Iru Machi ...
So many differences ... Lucia is so much better, that we never thought at first.

Shadow5YA · 2011-08-21, 12:49

Or maybe Seo just shouldn't write any long running series. Princess Lucia and Rinko Days are all great so far, and KNIM was good early on.

There's also the fact that Eba just isn't the girl that Seo is used to writing. He good at writing mean tsunderes who like to step all over the main protagonist. See Suzuka, Lucia, and Rinko.

Saber024 · 2011-08-21, 19:52

KLG's points are very good. i agree with most of them.

i find yuzuki not wanting Haruto to walk her home weird.

DragoZERO · 2011-08-21, 21:39

Late to the party here sorry...

Those anime designs are incredibly disappointing. It's travesty! I do wonder where they will end though...

As for the latest chapter... *face palm*

Shadow5YA · 2011-08-21, 23:14

I heard it's only an OVA, so they can't cover much anyway.

vansonbee · 2011-08-21, 23:48

Currently, everything is boring and feels like middle school love. College life for Seo was mellow XD

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Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

I heard it's only an OVD, so they can't cover much anyway.

Correction its OAV! It will be release w/ manga volume (to my knowledge).

mangaf_cksdotcom · 2011-08-21, 23:59

ive read the spoiler for ch147... im not sure if it's ok to post it here, so just check it at MF or OM.

Spoiler for :

i doubt Seo had any love-life in his teens... maybe unrequited, so he just expressed it in his drawings the scenes that he wish to happen... "we dated like this", "she was blushing because i do that", "i nailed her like this", "ive read this book and it says that girls love this and that...AH! A PLOT!!!!" ...

lightbringer · 2011-08-22, 02:53

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Originally Posted by mangaf_cksdotcom

i doubt Seo had any love-life in his teens... maybe unrequited, so he just expressed it in his drawings the scenes that he wish to happen... "we dated like this", "she was blushing because i do that", "i nailed her like this", "ive read this book and it says that girls love this and that...AH! A PLOT!!!!" ...

I don't want to intrude upon Seo's private life, but I don't see how else he could write a romance where 20-year-olds act like 10-year-olds, except that his own romantic experience must have gone this way. It's far past the point where we could chalk it up due to cultural differences or otaku pandering, IMHO.

Mahou · 2011-08-22, 04:21

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Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

Or maybe Seo just shouldn't write any long running series. Princess Lucia and Rinko Days are all great so far, and KNIM was good early on.

There's also the fact that Eba just isn't the girl that Seo is used to writing. He good at writing mean tsunderes who like to step all over the main protagonist. See Suzuka, Lucia, and Rinko.

In KNIM's case the stepping-over main prota-girl would be, ugh ... Rin >_<. I don't want to imagine her as the leading heroine at all, more like "ripping" my eyes out

I just dislike that manipulating dreaded devil who does it just out of boredom.
/is still waiting for a truck to hit her

Lucia is okay-ish even though I stopped reading the manga because it has become boring for me. And I didn't even bother with Suzuka except for the rather nice ending (chapter[s]).

mangaf_cksdotcom · 2011-08-22, 07:14

Can you feel it guys? Seo is planning to detonate a bomb here somewhere.

A series of lovey dovey chapters and Eba wanted to be with Haruto everytime, she even bought a bicycle to refresh their old memories (plus the festival)...Is she going somewhere? A preparation for a big drama? Seo might end this lovey-dovey arc with sex, so the closer they are the more it would hurt for the masochi...i mean protagonist..

Every time Rin shows up, she's up to something... For now she's helping the 2 to be closer together, i wonder what amusement she can get after that.

Obviously, making up with childhood friends will not cause a big drama, it's an automatic reconciliation the next time they meet. IMO, they will show up when things get bitter between Haruto and Eba...

cmgmcmg · 2011-08-22, 22:27

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Originally Posted by mangaf_cksdotcom

Can you feel it guys? Seo is planning to detonate a bomb here somewhere.

A series of lovey dovey chapters and Eba wanted to be with Haruto everytime, she even bought a bicycle to refresh their old memories (plus the festival)...Is she going somewhere? A preparation for a big drama? Seo might end this lovey-dovey arc with sex, so the closer they are the more it would hurt for the masochi...i mean protagonist..

I sense it too but I believe it can go two separate paths. One path is a semi-quick ending with no more major upsets except maybe Haruto yelling at his friends in one chapter then everyone forgives him. Another path will be leading up to some big confrontation, Eba contracting a sickness maybe? Now... If Seo chooses this route... My initial thought on the plot taken this turn was "If she is seriously in a risk of dying, Seo should have just killed her off when he got rid of that dead-beat Kazama."

Don't do it Seo, the sickness card is only allowed once and you already fucked that one up.

Key Board · 2011-08-22, 23:18

no, the magical AIDS / sickness card should be banned for at least the next 10 years

blame Key for whoring it out

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KLGChaos The Shermain Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NY Age: 44	The problem I've seen with this whole moving arc comes down to one simple issue that I, and I'm sure several others, have: If this chapter was written before the Tokyo arc, it would be a good, relationship development chapter. As it is, this whole "moving" arc doesn't really work. Seo seems to be trying to get things back to the status quo-- namely, give the manga the same feeling it had before the Tokyo arc hit. That's not really possible, however, as everything that's happened for the past 60 chapters will forever cast a shadow on the rest of the manga. Kind of like the old saying "You can't go home again." The biggest problem is that he has Haruto and Eba acting like they did before and throughout the whole Tokyo arc. They haven't changed. Haruto is still indecisive, willing to do idiotic things though he has a girlfriend (pretending to be Nanami's boyfriend with Eba, going on a date with Eba while going out with Asuka) and let's himself be manipulated by Rin. Eba still is playing games with the whole "home" circumstances-- hiding things from Haruto. It's as if everything that's happened to them the past two years-- the Kazama ordeal and his death, Haruto hurting Asuka in such a bad way and losing his friends-- means absolutely nothing to the story as Seo tries to return things to the way they were. It's as if they've learned absolutely nothing from the experiences they've had and are still stuck where they were back in high school before everything went down with the break up. Seo is trying to push a reset button on the relationship, but that doesn't work in real life. Experience shape and change people, which hasn't happened to Haruto or Eba, and frankly, if it were a real couple, I'd believe it would kill the relationship in the end because they're repeating the same mistakes they made back then. All it would take is another time of Haruto being a moron and helping another girl (like Shiori) or Eba feeling insecure again and latching onto an excuse to break up for history to repeat itself. Everything that's happened to Haruto and Eba should have helped them to mature and change the dynamics of their relationship, but it hasn't. It's business as usual between them as if the Tokyo arc never happened, as if the two years of pain and sadness between them never existed in the first place. It's not good to live your life blind to what you've learned. I believe Haruto and Eba could work in the story and people would be more accepting of it if the characters themselves actually showed any sense of forward progress and change in the relationship itself. But there is none. One confession and a jump in a river later and it's all back to the square one. This is just my view on the matter, of course. __________________

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aliasxn Eye for an Eye Join Date: Apr 2008	Yeah. At the very least, now that he knows where her priorities lie he should've made sure she doesn't have anymore dying friends before goind back together. He's learned nothing. __________________

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mangaf_cksdotcom Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011	Yeah, 100% agree with KLG... i cant help but feel that Eba's hiding something, or is it just because what she did in the past that i cant let my guard down on her. She wants to spend time with Haruto but declined a 5- minute walk to her house? every girl I've known would be happy to be accompanied home by their BF, because it shows that the guy has the balls to meet the family. hmmm... a secret? (i remembered Asuka, Haruto took her for granted and no special treatment at all, he cant even send her off the train station) Haruto also asked Eba out on a date but i did not hear an answer from her, instead she used her anti-haruto weapon, the "puppy-look" (very effective BTW, kind of manipulation technique) and haruto forgot he asked her out. i was expecting something dramatic on the next page but it was just nonsense... i think having a date outside is different from visiting the apartment. she could have gladly answered a "yes" and add the "can i also come by tomorrow?". or is it just Seo who can't differentiate a date and a regular visit. (again, i remember asuka. did they have an official date? in 1.5 years?) __________________ Last edited by mangaf_cksdotcom; 2011-08-21 at 01:11. Reason: add

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ShiroiRyu Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: France Age: 36	Oh man ...When i read Princess Lucia after Iru Machi ... So many differences ... Lucia is so much better, that we never thought at first.

2011-08-21, 12:49	Link #8450
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	Or maybe Seo just shouldn't write any long running series. Princess Lucia and Rinko Days are all great so far, and KNIM was good early on. There's also the fact that Eba just isn't the girl that Seo is used to writing. He good at writing mean tsunderes who like to step all over the main protagonist. See Suzuka, Lucia, and Rinko.

2011-08-21, 21:39	Link #8452
DragoZERO Spoilaphobic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Age: 37	Late to the party here sorry... Those anime designs are incredibly disappointing. It's travesty! I do wonder where they will end though... As for the latest chapter... face palm __________________ • Anime List \| Manga List \| Manga Thread Template •

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Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	I heard it's only an OVA, so they can't cover much anyway.

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mangaf_cksdotcom Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011	ive read the spoiler for ch147... im not sure if it's ok to post it here, so just check it at MF or OM. Spoiler for : 1. Breaking a sweat is good for "my" health. - Is this a hint that she's sick or I'm just over thinking? she could say "good for the health" (in general). 2. Buy a bicycle - In my case, bicycle is good but I would die of embarrassment riding inside the CITY with a girl on my back seat. 3. Excessive blushing. - this is a given... based on Seo's experience as a late bloomer, i think 4. "They fall deeper in love with each other, how would you express feelings like that?" - Haruto making a move!!! but why soooo lame?!! why ask the girl? is he expecting that Eba would say "they'll do this and that and end up doing sex"? i doubt Seo had any love-life in his teens... maybe unrequited, so he just expressed it in his drawings the scenes that he wish to happen... "we dated like this", "she was blushing because i do that", "i nailed her like this", "ive read this book and it says that girls love this and that...AH! A PLOT!!!!" ... __________________

2011-08-22, 07:14	Link #8458
mangaf_cksdotcom Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011	Can you feel it guys? Seo is planning to detonate a bomb here somewhere. A series of lovey dovey chapters and Eba wanted to be with Haruto everytime, she even bought a bicycle to refresh their old memories (plus the festival)...Is she going somewhere? A preparation for a big drama? Seo might end this lovey-dovey arc with sex, so the closer they are the more it would hurt for the masochi...i mean protagonist.. Every time Rin shows up, she's up to something... For now she's helping the 2 to be closer together, i wonder what amusement she can get after that. Obviously, making up with childhood friends will not cause a big drama, it's an automatic reconciliation the next time they meet. IMO, they will show up when things get bitter between Haruto and Eba... __________________

2011-08-22, 23:18	Link #8460
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	no, the magical AIDS / sickness card should be banned for at least the next 10 years blame Key for whoring it out __________________ "Legitimacy is based on three things. First of all, the people who are asked to obey authority have to feel like they have a voice—that if they speak up, they will be heard. Second, the law has to be predictable. There has to be a reasonable expectation that the rules tomorrow are going to be roughly the same as the rules today. And third, the authority has to be fair. It can’t treat one group differently from another.” Malcolm Gladwell