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View Poll Results: Valvrave the Liberator - Episode 10 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 53 | 39.26% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 29 | 21.48% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 21 | 15.56% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 8 | 5.93% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 7 | 5.19% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 1.48% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.74% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 2 | 1.48% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.74% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 11 | 8.15% | |
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2013-06-15, 08:34 | Link #443 |
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An interesting analysis is that Facility (Kikan) may have a double meaning.
In the EULA the pilot must follow the Facility's orders and it reserves the right to take away the life of the pilot. Kikan could also mean Engine. What does the Valvraves have? The Rave Engine. If VVV-tan is the Engine of VVV-I then Haruto is pretty much a slave to her whims. |
2013-06-15, 08:45 | Link #445 | |
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My issue with this episode is that rape is a plot device that shouldn't be used lightly, and I don't feel the show has earned the right to use it. It's really hard to feel anything for these characters in the first place, and the plot itself is already quite ridiculous, but it seems like the show uses death and mayhem for shock value, forcing emotions because of a horrible act juxtaposed with a rousing speech. At this point, Valvrave is competing with Guilty Crown as one of the worst things I've ever watched.
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2013-06-15, 09:01 | Link #447 | |
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2013-06-15, 09:31 | Link #451 | |
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- Haruto gone berserk - During his berserk he attack Saki - Saki resisted at first, but eventually accept - Saki look sad afterward. This is fact, basically, unchangeable regardless of your will. there is no she is sad because of something or i think they are both victims. Accept this first. you said that "My issue with this episode is that rape is a plot device that shouldn't be used lightly" - as you said, " my issue" indicating that your own thinking have mixed in, thus no longer fact in pure definition term and i think you already know this. Now, you said that "rape is a plot device that shouldn't be used lightly" this is your opininon and i agree with you on this point, it shouldn't be use lightly. however, you can call it lightly in your view, but other might not think so. If you ask for evidence, both sides will point out evidences of their own and the other side will try to denied it. This is what i called " diffirent in opininon", as both sides cannot be said to be correct or wrong. There is also the definition of care, how you define it make it diffirent, for some people, care is affection but for some others, care is having emotion towards something, so i think the more correct term is that your feeling roused when you watched this episode. |
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2013-06-15, 09:42 | Link #453 |
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Murder, torture, abduction, blackmail, terrorism, bully, brainwash, rape, dictatorship, imprisonment, adultery, racism, violence, cannibalism, group suicide, war and many, many other immoral acts. And rape is somehow singled out among them as the most disgusting, inhumane and the one with the most negative impact on the people involved.
As if it can only be used in the most well-written and deserving story ever. As if it is the sole thing the media has to avoid as if it doesn't exist. As if it is the sole thing that could make or break a show. As if it is the greatest humiliation a character can ever suffer from. As if its the only thing that is not needed in ANY story. As if its the only element that must be for shock value in a show. As if the death of characters be any less sadder or repulsive as rape. As if rape must be told in the most meaningful way ever and as if the other crimes aren't of importance at all. so WHY. Edit: I need to calm down.
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2013-06-15, 09:43 | Link #454 |
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I guess I can see what the disgust is based on. Rather than look at the act of rape itself, I'd rather focus on the implications it will undoubtedly cause. Shouko is the equivalent of Kotonoha; Saki, Sekai. Saki seems like she has accepted 'that' part of Haruto, willing to be the scapegoat for Haruto's urges, so does that mean that this will happen again? Will Saki accept being a sexual partner to vanquish his carnal desires? Is she subtly pulling a Sekai, and will try to whisk him away using herself as bait? I can't even imagine how Shouko will feel when all of this is revealed to her =0(.
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2013-06-15, 10:34 | Link #457 |
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Questioned chapter 10 but it seems that nobody say ima, Soko ni Iru Boku, if you generate a strong impact on the sexual abuse her character. Real life is more frightening every day and you arguing for an animation.
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2013-06-15, 10:53 | Link #458 | |
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For your second sentence, I think you mean that the horror in real life is incomparable to that in anime. Yes, I think i can agree. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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2013-06-15, 11:01 | Link #459 | |
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and it was done to take advantage of Kotonoha's condition of that time? |
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2013-06-15, 11:07 | Link #460 | ||
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Rape is a touchy subject for some people I guess and some will just never accept it as an element that can be included in a story. I remember there being a scene in Wings of Honnemaise that happens (and in this one the character is fully under their control) for a little over a minute and because that one scene is in the movie many people have sworn it ruined the entire film for them and that they will never watch it again. |
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