2010-07-26, 17:26 | Link #201 |
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Mutation by its nature tends to produce results different than its source. It may be nothing more than plot convenience that the Sharingan just keeps getting ridiculous upgrades, but it having different abilities in itself is wholly justifiable.
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2010-07-26, 17:33 | Link #202 |
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Well regardless of whatever future within Naruto. I always thought that... these tailed beasts...even seperate..well in this case now only the bijuu were all demi-gods.. and the only difference between the Jyuubi and the Rikkodou Sennin would've been the human form. And a spiritual form -> Jyuubi.
That's because it would be extremely weird and hard to accept that someone out of the blue starts to teach ninjutsu, with all the knowlegde of it... while the world has never heared or seen it before. Kind of same concept with Jesus walking on earth explaning and teaching us humans about the supernatural. Without divine intervention that shouldn't even be possible right? My point is... if at some point. The Jyuubi would be revived... then Naruto (alone) might not be good or strong enough. It'll require probably more. Even if he would be a very distant family member of the Senju/Sage of Six Paths. It would probably require the help of...an Uchiha aswell. In this case. Sasuke no doubt. Or... Itachi's gift. Also... it would be possible ofcourse to create new techniques but would it even be possible to create new ones... with creatures not of the Naruto realm such as the Shiki Fuujin monster. Aren't such kind of contracts or even the creation of such beings made/formed by a divine entity? or am i once again thinking wayy to deep?
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2010-07-26, 18:45 | Link #203 |
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I think you are thinking to deeply. Sage could have just opened the door to something amazing, and everybody followed.
I doubt even 1/10 of the jutsu today existed back then. He was th first to discover it, but people have expanded on it, prob including/discovering stuff like the Death God seal. The Sharingan having Tailed Beast related stuff - if you think about it, it could have been a mutation down the line caused by Sages staatus as a Jinchuuriki. Mutations occur all the time - the fact that an ancestor had a physical and spiritual connection with the tailed beasts easily explains Bjuu related abilities. The same for Wood jutsu. Just becasue the ancestor doesn't have that ability does not mean it couldn't have been influenced by it.
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2010-07-26, 21:00 | Link #204 | |
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YOU are thinking too deeply. It just comes down to plot device. When Kishi wants the Sharingan to do something impossible, it will happen. |
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2010-07-27, 05:50 | Link #205 |
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from what i seem to understand, the sharingan's bijuu controlling abilities seem exclusive to the kyuubi, as evidenced in the fact that sasuke did not try to use any sharngan abilities related to controlling or suppressing the hachibi's chakra
why this is? Only kishi knows
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2010-07-27, 16:22 | Link #206 | |
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Edit: Another very important question is, what was the role of pain in akatsuki? (or maybe he is still alive somehow?) |
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2010-07-27, 16:48 | Link #207 | |
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As for what purpose? Probably to bring allies to his side in the coming coup d'etat and/or destruction of Konoha, or whtaever he planned...world domination, in a totally un-cliche way, probably had something to do with it. HOWEVER do take this with a grain of salt, as it is speculation, there's no evidence.... Another possibility is Nagato did create it himself, but met Madara at some point and Madara said something or other to convince Nagato/Pein to work with him and they sort of lead it together...
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2010-07-27, 16:52 | Link #208 |
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I still think sasuke wil end up getting that other half of the kyubi from the Death God which is why i also think minato will be making another appearance as well as the 1st, 2nd and 3rd hokage.
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2010-07-27, 16:56 | Link #209 | |
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Which means Madara was the one to learn about the 10-tails from the script, then he learned about the existence of a rinnegan user. Everything was given for his plan, to manipulate the rinnegan user to do what he wants but not let him know his true plan until all the demons are collected. Nagato was a mentally weak guy, so Madara used him, Madara told him about the power of the 10-tails and about the rinnegan being able to control it, then he probably told him to create akatsuki, or just hinted that so that Nagato would think that he was the one who had the idea to create that organization. Then Nagato created akatsuki and was leading it, he was giving the actual orders but the mastermind behind all that was Madara. Also Itachi was after Madara, so he most likely joined akatsuki not because of Nagato but because of Madara. Madara knew about Itachi's true intentions, that he is a spy who works against akatsuki, but he never told that to Pain/Nagato, the reason is probably that he feared Itachi could have done much more damage to him if he forced Itachi to take action. Also Madara did know of Itachi's plan, to die against Sasuke, he also did know about Itachi's sickness, so he just waited for Itachi to die instead of provoking a confrontation which would cause damage to akatsuki. And since Madara was not the direct leader of akatsuki Itachi was not able to reach him anyway, so Itachi was not a direct threat to Madara as long as he was hiding himself behind Nagato. |
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2010-07-27, 19:08 | Link #212 |
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imo from the flashbacks of the rain trio's childhoods, originally the whole group of ninja concept (along with the similar looking uniforms) began with yahiko, nagato and konan
Nagato states that more of the group began to die afterwards, which suggests that they weren't completely the strongest group anymore after losing yahiko I wouldnt be surprised if ultimately all the ninjas from the original akatsuki had died when nagato and konan were eventually approached by madara and zetsu, who offered a more successful way to acheiving 'peace' through the power of the bijuus Thinking on this theory makes me wonder how sasuke factored into pain's version of his plan. Since when madara teleports back after the deidara sasuke fight, he comments of the ability of sasuke's eyes. Why would this matter to pain unless he was just trying to convince pain that sasuke would be a potential good member for akatsuki. Or is it something like the weapon that pain talked about to have minimals of peace being the jyuubi jinchuriki, with sasuke in mind to be its potential host, and ultimately the weapon that would help bring peace
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2010-07-27, 23:43 | Link #215 |
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Thank you.
Next question then... so the Kyuubi in it's current state is weaker than most of the other bijuu since half its chakara is gone? That'd be pretty lame in my opinion. Also... the 8-tails was sealed in a jar, a jar. Knowing that I don't get why sealing the 9-tails would have been conceptually impossible, unless the 9-tails was at least twice as strong as the 8-tails. The Shiki Fujin is great but it downplays Minato's skills as a seal master since the seal, while stronger, couldn't do what the former Raikage's jar did. I suppose we'll have to see what the advantages of the "New Seal" are.
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2010-07-28, 00:41 | Link #218 |
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Yeah, I just realized I made a bit of an error in math. But anyway, after consulting my calculator I realized it's not as bad as 4 billion but it's still unlikely IMO. It's damn near in the 1000's and I don't think that one Kyuubi equals a 1000 Shukkakkus.
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2010-07-28, 00:47 | Link #219 | |
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In the begining of Naruto it's been said that bijuus are invicible (later said by Chiyo to in second part). But Kishi overpowered Akatsuki members so much, like how did Hidan took the blood from Yugito for his ritual when she was fully transformed. Also Samehada was just as overpowered, being able to consume almost all of eight tail's chakra. Makes me wander why Sage of six paths went trough all of that trouble with the bijuus when he could have used samehada to defeat ten tails. (if sword existed back than that is). Bijuu look nothing special anymore, so Naruto havig mastered kyuubi means almost nothing because there will alvaus be someone stronger than him aka Sasuke. Also i can bet that with all of his new powers and everything Naruto would still not be a match for Sasuke. He will just look at Naruto with his new godlike eye powers and demage/hurt him prety badly. While Naruto had to fight the Kyuubi himself for a new power level, Sasuke just took new pair of eyes. Shows how much Kishi favors Sasuke insted of Naruto and other rookie members.
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2010-07-28, 01:04 | Link #220 | |
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It would quite frankly be total bullshit for Naruto to have gone through all this crap and essentially become a physical god just to fall short again. Enough is enough. There damn well better be a decent asskicking from Naruto. I don't care what techniques Sasuke has. Naruto's got full access to the chakra of the most powerful tailed beast known. Through sheer attrition if nothing else there is no excuse for him losing to Sasuke.
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