2012-04-30, 21:41 | Link #28645 |
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Yeah, when thinking about it this way. The scene where Battler says that Ange is his little sister in red? I like to interpret that as being how it doesn't matter about blood relations, sentimentally they are brother and sister. It becomes even more heartwarming that way.
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2012-05-01, 13:03 | Link #28648 |
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The thing is, Ange didn't KNOW they were blood relatives, which is why people for for the "sentimental" route. It's generally assumed that you can't speak a red if you don't know it's true, otherwise we could be having shit like testing God's existence.
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2012-05-01, 14:14 | Link #28650 |
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I assume they mean exact blood relatives, i.e. that neither knew they were both Kyrie's kids. Or something. I'm not aware of them ever suggesting they had different fathers, other than Battler's crazy ep5 speculation which he was clearly just doing to stall.
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2012-05-01, 14:46 | Link #28652 |
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My two cents on Yasu's Gender: The way I see it, the only way to figure out much about Yasu is by comparing him/her to Lion. It seems to me that Yasu doesn't really worry about his/her own gender much like Lion doesn't seem to want to worry about it. (S)he is probably more sure of herself than we give him/her credit for.
As for the wound (s)he suffered, (s)he probably received it on his/her head since not only is (s)he clumsy (which means his/her sense of balance is off), (s)he can't grow much either (since (s)he was able to pass as elementary schooler, more than likely his/her body's sense of growth is off as well). The damage was probably taken near her hypothalamus (and probably hit her cerebellum too). This probably affected her hair growth too since she commonly wears wigs, meaning she doesn't have as much hair as Lion does. My two cents on Battler: The game makes it clear that Piece and Master are different, but it allows the thoughts of the Master to interface those of the Piece. So it looks like they are almost the same person As for his relationship with Ange, I doubt anyone other than Rudolf knew that both of them were Kyrie's children. And I doubt that whether they are direct or half- siblings matter as in any case Ange is still Battler's sister. |
2012-05-01, 20:22 | Link #28653 | |
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Anyways, maybe I was a bit gung-ho with my thinking about Yasu's gender, just now, especially since I forgot that a wound was, at one point, mentioned. I was just thinking that we might've been oversimplifying things, as apparently there's just a whole plethora of gender identities, expressions, and physical situations that don't fit into what we think of as "male" and "female" very well at all. I also sort of prefer the theme in End / Dawn of "different memories and experiences = WHOLE DIFFERENT PERSON" to some derivation of smashed-up jumblies / brain damage, though I'll acknowledge that they arent mutually exclusive. NOW I'm thinking that similar to "which persona is controlling dat body right now?" issues, that Ryukishi may not have even fully thought out what "what" of Yasu's gender issues, opting instead to present the general sentiment of "gender issues are present". Which I guess I can also accept. Especially since he pretty much stated in one interview that he "wasn't interested in hiking up her skirt" or something to that effect. What I most remember, though, was him saying something like "If she'd just told George the truth, he'd prolly have been cool with it, actually." C'est la vie. |
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You do realize that while "half-sibling" is a term used to describe someone who only shares one parent in common, the definition of "sibling" is
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Battler, Beatrice, and Eva all helped to keep the catbox's lid closed for Ange. For whatever reason...
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2012-05-01, 22:47 | Link #28655 | |
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The Logic error is slightly different, IMO, because those truths were about a gameboard, and not having a prepared solution would sort of ... it seemed like it would invalidate the gameboard, which was not desired. Essentially, an author going "Yeah, toitally did not think that one through", followed by the irked reader throwing their book on the ground, stepping on it, calling said author a hack and walking away in a huff. It's still pretty keen. What, she's somewhat irked by being compared academically all the time, like how she usually is with George, just more often. And Lion apparently has free impunity to pinch butts - but it's still pretty playful, and she's the kind of girl who doesn't shy away from roughhousing, anyways. |
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2012-05-02, 02:19 | Link #28656 |
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So I've been watching that silly nine hour video lately.
The arguments to 'disprove' Shkanon are pretty stupid and not even necessary, but I thought his solution to the logic error was pretty interesting. Basically Kanon escaped from the cousins' room between the time when Battler confirmed everyone's location and the time Dlanor confirmed that the rooms were sealed. Then Kanon was the one who left the letter regarding Battler's corpse. Then Kanon went and 'rescued' Battler, Erika (who had killed five victims and was looking for the last) deduced that he must be in the closet, and she shot through the closet, causing Kanon to cease to exist (represented in meta by her throwing the spears at the closet). What do you guys think of this? |
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I always thought the implication was that the rooms were instantly and completely retroactive-meta-sealed with Erika's declaration, so I don't really buy it. Besides, what'd be the point of all the set up by Erika if it left such an obvious weak spot like that? KnownNoMore's explanation for why Kanon went into the closet is the worst part, though, because he refuses to accept any kind of meta-motives. And IIRC he said that Kanon had even realized that Erika was a crazed killer who had already murdered the fakers, but then still decided to risk his life just to preserve the illusion of a closed room for Beatrice's sake (the motive of which is complicated nonsense). And of course KnownNoMore doesn't seem to realize that Kanon wouldn't even succeed in preserving the closed room mystery anyway, since once Erika would look into the closet and see Kanon's corpse, the illusion of the closed room would be broken. Bleh. Yuck. |
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2012-05-02, 04:38 | Link #28658 |
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I thought some of the disappearing bodies required Shkannon, certainly for anything Will said to be true we do.
Meanwhile I actually thought the idea that she shot into the closet was possible on the gameboard anyway (and then probably spouted some fact about third-rate detective novels and assuming someone was shot before opening the door for the double tap), just without the Meta aspect of the guessing game it wouldn't have made sense. You are right, she'd just open the door and be all "lol, totes wrong body. Oh well, it's kanon now" |
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There's several issues you'd have to consider that make this seem reasonable:
You could argue that Erika knows her own location, but she explicitly isn't the detective, so her own understanding of her piece's position is theoretically up in the air. Battler would most likely be sporting in that respect, but then again, Erika's blatantly cheating with her perspective so I don't see why Battler should feel inclined to keep playing along (unless he's just humoring her because Genius Battler). I'm inclined to think this was just oversight on Ryukishi's part. I imagine that, had he revised this, or perhaps in the manga if it were pointed out before that volume came out (like the boiler room door), he'd just have Erika say "since Kinzo is confirmed not to exist, please exclude him. And of course, please exclude me as well, since my location is outside the room."
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