2009-10-07, 08:47 | Link #41 |
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Man ever time I read crap from LynnieS I feel like I'm being given the corporate run around. Do you know what is the most profitable division of TW is? You bet your ass its High Speed Internet division. Do you know how much they update and upgrade their system? less than 1% of their revenue to maintain and update, yet WHY THE FUCK am I paying 50 dollars a month for a 1gb down and 750k up connection? Well they oversold their infrastructure and don't plan on upgrading. Look the point is, caps are meant to protect the content providers from services like hulu, netflix etc that have turned cable tv into a less profitable division. Also you have the issue of these oligiocoloplies that have cut the country up into protected areas where there is only one service providers. Well if your going to cap me, or charge me by my usage you better charge me a la carte per channels so I don't have to buy 5000 channels to get sports center.
The point is, internet should not be capped, it should not be in the hands of uncompetitive companies, it should not be controlled by content providers, it would be like toyota paving roads for cars and doing so in a way to only let toyota cars drive on them, any way packet freedom is key and if you want to find out more ways to fight this hydra that is the cable/telecom industry head over to stop the cap dot com. The thing is they are trying these caps out in a couple of states, and yet on tv they continue to market this service as guess what unlimited, and high speed. |
2009-10-07, 09:14 | Link #42 |
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I could not care less about what one company does in its justification of its pricing policy. Nor do I give a damn for what some people on either side want to turn the "network neutrality" debate into. One side will probably call me a "corporate lackey" for actually wondering about economics and any fall-outs. The other side will likely call me a "traitor" for not falling in line with the official policy. I couldn't care less for either side.
I have already mentioned why I, despite not liking the "capped" process that much, prefer it as it is simply easier for people to understand how it impacts them immediately. You pay for you eat. Simple. Easy to understand. To the point. Edit: BTW, where is your data for Time Warner's profitability with respect to its High Speed Internet division? Hmm, and Time Warner Cable was split off from Time Warner in March 2009 also.... Its data is no longer being reported together with TW. Edit: Removed rant 'cause I don't want to post while I'm in a bad mood. Edit: Even though this thread topic wasn't about 1 single ISP but rather about the entire move/change in pricing model... Quickly looking at the latest TWC 10-Q filings as of 29 Jul 2009, it seems that subscription-related revenue for the 6-month period, 2009 vs 2008, is up 6% with Voice contributing the most. Data is the next highest, but it doesn't look to break out Consumer vs Corporate... Cost of revenue for Voice is up but down for Data; I wonder if they are shifting maintenance to grow VOD instead... TWC wants to grow all segments though, so I expect more PR on "unlimited usage" but a shift to "capping" in selected trials. Time Warner's 10-Q, taking a quick look, doesn't include what had been its Cable division, which as mentioned, is no longer majority owned by TW.
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2009-10-07, 09:45 | Link #43 | |
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The ISPs have already considered to push for that, but in such a small country, it could seriously damage the telecommunications infrastructure and industry, which is steadily growing and generating "moe" revenues for everyone. Singtel used to have all the monopoly, then we have Starhub, and now M1 is offering "cheap but good" broadband. In an economic sense, it is bloody pointless and could be seen as an avenue of profiteering in such a small country, because in the first place, they are not losing any profitability in such a small arena. For a country that takes pride in its service and business acumen, it would be in the competitors' best interest not to tread anywhere into this area. Instead, they should spend their money restructuring their marketing departments and hotline services, which are in a total mess. Spoiler for rant:
The biggest provider, though, has a wildcard which their marketing dept is oblivious enough not to play. If they license certain rights from Kakifly, then redesign limited editions of their 2Wire modems (inside and outside of the machine), they can score a really profitable coup, locally and overseas.
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2009-10-07, 10:19 | Link #44 | ||
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I have always been against the ISPs use of Caps and also bandwidth throttling/traffic shaping for awhile now and I highly doubt caps can do anything for the growing usage of people using the internet, ISPs are just milking what they have instead of upgrading and improving their networks and monopolies are to blame for caps. If there is competition, there won't be any caps. For metered internet to ever work, the ISP cannot nix their unlimited plans or make it too expensive. If they want to make it work, they should charge a low fee for a reasonable amount of bandwidth, 40 GB for $20 and keep the unlimited plan at the same price, like $45 a month so it will benefit people who don't use the internet that much instead of forcing it on everyone since bandwidth is infinite. Metered internet will never solve the problems with growing usage, just consumption which does not equal to congestion. Also, you got to realize that not only ads, downloading and browsing the internet can account to the bandwidth you use. Devices that are on standby can use bandwidth to update their firmware or updates. Spyware and Malware that a user don't have knowledge of can take alot of bandwidth and can easily take most of the cap without the user realizing it. The problem is, metered internet is not practical if things like malware can take bandwidth easily away. Also, not only streaming, VoIP and gaming can take bandwidth away, but cloud computing will be hindered by metered internet since it uses a sizable amount of bandwidth usage.
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2009-10-07, 13:39 | Link #45 | |
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Second, let's take a look at those bandwidth caps that Time Warner Cable proposed. According to Ars Technica, the originally proposed bandwidth limits ranged from 5GB a month for $30 to 40GB a month for $55: http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2...aps-arrive.ars After customer complaints, the proposed 40GB a month tier was boosted to 60GB a month and a 100GB tier was added for $75: http://a.longreply.com/109511 So for an extra $20 over the 60GB tier, you can get 40GB a month. So 50 cents per GB. Now, let's compare this to the plans I can purchase from Shaw Cable in Vancouver, Canada: For $44 a month, I can get 60GB. For $54, I can get 100GB. Both those prices drop $9 if I bundle with a TV cable package. But the important thing to note here is that I can get 40GB a month extra for $10. 25 cents a gig. In Canadian money. Which is worth less that its American counterpart. In other words, TWC was originally planning to charge four times as much for bandwidth as my ISP does, and even after complaints wanted to charge twice as much. Still think this is just about making people pay for what they use? |
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Now, as far as it being cheap or not I'm not expert. But it seems that if you do not have to go through the politics and especially if you don't have to use someone else's infrastructure where you can get as close as possible to the backbone, then it actually can be less costly than what people expect. If you can lay fiber down on a new development so that you don't have to tear up roads and deal with city ordinance, that also makes things cheaper. Paxio is a good example of just how affordable it can get (because of all of what I just mentioned) with 100/100 mbps unmetered fiber for $95 a month (and 1/1 Gbps for $245). Compare this to TW's best plan in select cities only of 15/2 mbps for $55 a month. |
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