(L) Simoun

[Matrim]

I am not saying they should work with "one thing at a time" modus operandi all the time, it would have been cliched and boring if it was just "mission objectives" followed by "mission accomplished". It just seems to me that sometimes the episodes don't follow each other smoothly and what seems huge in one episode is almost forgotten in the next until it suddenly becomes important in the agenda again. But that doesn't really bother me much as the character relationship dynamics seem to take center stage and that's mostly the reason for plot progression to look patchy at times. In other words the emphasis on character development sometimes makes the plot suffer a bit. However the results of this character development so far have been superb, hence that's not exactly an awful thing but since I have praised Simoun so much I just had to point out what I thought was a small flaw to compensate somewhat.

[warainagara]

Hey, guys, she acted on the line of common sense. Let's do justice to her.

Spoiler for ep19, wrong judgment on the spot?:

Actually, Neviril instantly order to retreat when they found the new type Simouns flying up to them.
But the numerous enemy fighters were already catching up with them.
As Floe cried, they were moving quite fast.

I think Neviril and others wanted to return but there was no way to guarantee safe return without dealing with them to some extent.
("hurikirenai!" - "I can't shake them off!")
During the battle, she told Floe and Alti to flee when their Simouns got very close.
And catching it, Floe told the words to Alti.

[Starks]

Originally Posted by Matrim

I am curious which of them came up with the idea to use the troop containers to destroy a few tanks in episode 11, I think it wasn't shown. If it was Neviril maybe she can think outside the box, too but I think it must have been Aaeru. Neviril remonds me of a professional boxer who even in a street fight would use only her fists because the routine and experience, while Aaeru would use punches, kicks, teeth...basically every trick in the book and would rather end up in a hospital than admit defeat.

Aaeru = Butch

I can't wait for her to become the man she aspires to be.

[Kaoru Chujo]

A few suggested future series titles from the Simoun thread on 2channel:
Simoun Second Series
Simoun 2nd Gig
Simoun Otome
Simoun Traumend
Simoun Repure
Simoun La Verite
Simoun A's
.SIMOUN//Roots
Simoun DESTINY
Simoun Gyu!
BLACK SIMOUN
They were running out the last few posts of the 1000 in Simoun's 45th thread: 45,000 posts about Simoun.

[Yui from Okinawa]

The Simuracrum was particular about "a strictly defensive only national security policy", and it was a cause of defeat or surrender that they was not able to see through essence of war after all.

However I can hardly blame them because of they are basis on Shrine prist or pristess....

But the result of governer or pritess lazyness, may be many of civirian people of Simuracrum has died for in this war because of Argentum bomber 's bomberment of City and more Pulunbum tank-destroyer force invade to the capital city....

[Guppy]

Originally Posted by oneplusme

Spoiler:

Well, we've seen in the past that Chor Tempest doesn't exactly perform Ri Maajons very well without Neviril in the lead, and with her out of action as well as everyone else being decidedly unsettled (to say the least), they might well not have been a terribly effective combat force at that point...

Spoiler:

I see your point, but you'd think at least someone (even if it was the Messis's captain or Vyuura or her partner) would remember if their mission was actually to inflict damage on the enemy.

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

Spoiler for ep19:

The mistake in this ep was Neviril's decision not to return to base. Her choices were three: attack, scout, or return undiscovered. Scouting would produce one of two results: no simoun and attack, or simoun and retreat under fire. Her gamble failed, and the fire was too great. But she was following orders to attack if possible. It just wasn't possible, because of the Plumbum V-simoun.

Spoiler:

But that doesn't seem logical either. If it was possible to cause serious damage to the carrier with only two Simouns, and the only thing stopping them was the enemy Simouns, then they should have attacked it on their previous scouting mission in episode 12.

At any rate, after spotting the Plumbum Simouns Neviril didn't seem to know whether she wanted to fight or run. They had a reasonable head start on the Plumbum Simouns and assorted Argentum fighters (enough to be out of gun range), but promptly threw it away to execute a Ri Maajon despite the fact that in the previous duel the enemy Simouns had proven themselves to be thoroughly capable of evading them. Then Neviril ordered Floe and Alti out of the fight and promptly got shot down by the fighters that had previously been concentrating on them. The only way that makes sense is if Neviril had figured they were all doomed anyway - but then why turn and fight in the first place, if the odds were that bad?

[oneplusme]

Originally Posted by Starks

Aaeru = Butch

I can't wait for her to become the man she aspires to be.

Nah. It'd be far more fun to see Neviril and Rodoreamon become male. Just think how their families would react...

[Sanri]

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[Yaya-chan]

Originally Posted by oneplusme

Nah. It'd be far more fun to see Neviril and Rodoreamon become male. Just think how their families would react...

Good point!

[Matrim]

Well, I don't recall someone from Chor Tempest mentioning pressure from her parents to choose the gender that they would prefer for her so the families might not be shocked at all. Furthermore, I really don't think we can be certain of Aaeru becoming male, Eri didn't seem to posses many "manly" qualities (if we can talk of such a thing at all - why say extreme stubborness and determination should be considered something more befitting a male than female, especially in a world where you get to choose your gender?). Yet she ended up as a man, why wouldn't it be possible for Aaeru to end up as female? Not to mention it's likely the anime won't show her visit to the Spring at all.

[fignae]

It all depends on whether Aaeru has a sex in mind when she visits the Spring. Erif didn't.

Sanri, that is one marvellous relationship chart, thank you! I see you're the people behind Yoori--woohoo!

[Matrim]

It all depends on whether Aaeru has a sex in mind when she visits the Spring. Erif didn't.

Yes, I know but if the anime followed the usual gender stereotypes you'd expect Eri to end up as female, regardless whether she had decided to do it or not...unless Onashiya or whoever decided the issue liked practical jokes of this kind.

Nice relationship chart, btw. Floe - Legally Blond.

[Yaya-chan]

Great chart, Sanri!

Rimone: Simouns, they are giants crayons ~
Mamiina: Life's a bitch...
Neviriru/Aaeru: Silly scary girl freaks me out.. (..and I like it, unf~)

Saikou no Kooru to me ^__^

[fignae]

Originally Posted by Matrim

Yes, I know but if the anime followed the usual gender stereotypes you'd expect Eri to end up as female, regardless whether she had decided to do it or not...unless Onashiya or whoever decided the issue liked practical jokes of this kind.

Ah, I see what you mean. But well, Eri isn't a good example. We'd need someone who's consciously chosen their sex to really show that feminine characters need not choose to be female. So far the masculine-acting ones like Kaimu and Paraietta are also those who've decided to be male. From this, we might conclude that either some of the sibylla already have a sex in mind and mould themselves to suit their perception of what it should be, or if they act like X they think they should be X. Or something in between.

About Aaeru, I think she's not so much masculine as tomboyish. She might still choose to be female, who knows? I prefer to leave the possibilities up in the air, heh.

[metronome]

Originally Posted by Matrim

Yes, I know but if the anime followed the usual gender stereotypes you'd expect Eri to end up as female, regardless whether she had decided to do it or not...unless Onashiya or whoever decided the issue liked practical jokes of this kind.

Nice relationship chart, btw. Floe - Legally Blond.

You just dont see it, may be Onashia was laughing her asses off after decided to do it~~bad imagination:P

ya, eri shud end up as a female, but oh well, that's how simoun is~~

[warainagara]

An op and ed song sometimes pose a spoiler specially about the ending,
So I sometimes tortue myself to find one when I get the whole lyric
Am I seeing anything here?

Spoiler for Inori no uta (Simoun ed song), verse 2:

Leaving my body to the blowing wind
and floating on it would make me feel more at ease
A white bird know freedom
Where should I go to be allowed to laugh….
Flying up without fear bravely

Dance up to the sky, song of prayer
Please shine on the way without an exit
“Want to live with you” A dream sprang up
Can’t flee from it no more, now I want to tell you about it.

The various form of happiness
is not to be lost

Get over the hurts and go, song of prayer
Want to see more of your smiling face
Words failed to express it, so I had to cry for our bond
I won’t let you go, so it’s fine.

Dance up to the sky, song of prayer
There is a thing to guard here
Future can change, lonely no more
please believe in the breathing wish

To me no one of the girls is masculine enough to make me think she should choose male.
It may be natural since they are born as girls on default.
And no one of them is a so typical girlish girl that she makes me think she should definitely go female.
Oh well, to be honest, I deny the existence of typical girl and typical boy even in the real world, that's actually what people have so long expected from a girl or boy, not really what they are.

[Kaoru Chujo]

As I sit here waiting impatiently for episode 20 (!) to become available -- the broadcast starts in three hours, but it will be a few hours more before it hits cyberspace -- I thought I'd pass on how popular Simoun has become with some people in France.

I've been e-mailing with someone who says it has become like a drug for them. They stay up until 4 or 5 a.m. Monday nights (fuelled by coffee) waiting for wowo's subs. She thanks wowo on behalf of the French Simoun community.

Some people are doing Ri Maajon in their swimming pools or while they're cooking (sounds like fun). They have even set up a virtual crisis centre for Simoun addicts -- but the operators, instead of helping people with their addiction, plunge them further in, lol.

[MrProphet]

Well, I've decided that with several shows now over, I have to time to go back to Simoun, which I always regretted having to drop from my schedule. Judging by the local enthusiasn, it should be worth it.

Can anyone point out as to where to find the fansubs and which group would be preferable?

[Zappster]

Doremi released the first few episodes and have now dropped the series. Another group Simoun-fans is now subbing the show and they have released up to episode 11, they are releasing the first few episodes(according to the IRC channel anyway) but for the time being only Doremi's versions are available for episodes 1-3. There are some scripts floating about for more recent episodes(recent aired episodes I mean) but I've not really bothered with those.

Basically, eps 1-3 from Doremi and the rest from Simoun-Fans. Should be able to get torrent links and such from animesuki. There's no choice but I find Simoun-Fans subs more than good enough.

[Kaoru Chujo]

Originally Posted by MrProphet

...Can anyone point out as to where to find the fansubs and which group would be preferable?

I probably shouldn't say this, since I'm slightly involved, but I think Simoun-Fans are the best subs. They have done 4-11, with some sweet video quality and well-edited and well-qc'd translations. Doremi has done 1-5. And there are separate soft-sub files for 12-19, done by warainagara and by wowo, so the translating is right up to date. Those translations are the raw material that Simoun-Fans works from.

You can find the Simoun-Fans and Doremi subs at a.scarywater.net by searching for "Simoun."

warainagara/hashihime's sub file for 12 is available here.

warainagara's sub files for 13-14 are available from the Simoun Yahoo Group, or by searching this forum for warainagara's posts, where she linked to them. The Simoun Yahoo Group is the home of Simoun-Fans.

wowo's sub files for 15-19 are available here (and 20 will probably be available sometime within the next day or so).

As someone who watches raws and likes to keep up to date, I really, really appreciate the work of wowo and warainagara, who have put out very usable softsub files within, sometimes, hours of the broadcast.