2007-01-16, 17:39 | Link #5 | |
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Ace in that spoiler picture looks similar to unconscious/dead CP9 members. So, if it is correct, Ace lost in just one chapter, Blackbeard has really achieved a level that deserves serious consideration for what he really desires. |
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2007-01-16, 19:04 | Link #6 |
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What spoiler picture? And another thing. I have a feeling that while Luffy has indeed grown a lot, he's going to have to do at least 2-3 more arcs against some really seriously wicked badguys to even consider getting to a level that'll beat Blackbeard.
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2007-01-16, 20:44 | Link #7 |
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How are you guys sure that Luffy didn't surpass Ace in the last few arcs? I would think that Luffy stands somewhat of a chance against Blackbeard... but not enough to beat him. He probably still needs more training, of course. But I dont think it'll take THAT long... i wish >_<. This is me being hopeful, not realistic.
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2007-01-16, 22:23 | Link #8 |
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logias are just naturaly more powerful so i think that ace could eat luffy and if the spoiles are right luffy cant even touch BB he will just eat away his limbs and lufy would get eaten so he needs to get stronger
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2007-01-17, 06:11 | Link #9 |
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black beard may still go after luffy because currently it's luffy who is making headlines and bb feels the quickest way to go up with his plan is to beat luffy.
wonder when we'll see a light logia user he he he. that would make him a stalemate with bb just like ace and smoker |
2007-01-17, 15:11 | Link #10 | |
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Rather interesting, Blackbeard's power of darkness is very much related to that of a blackhole, the power of gravitational pull... in that sence a light devil fruit may not actually counter it in that a blackhole can suck up light aswell.
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Intersting thing i can fore see about blackbeard vs luffy at this point though... i can see some serious damage luffy could take from the use of his gear attacks... as we learned in enies lobby, Luffy's rubber body is what allows him to use the gears and that if he didn't have a rubber body, the stress that he puts himself under would normally kill him... my point... If luffy was in gear 2 or 3 and then got his powers nullified by blackbeard, that could cause some SERIOUS internal damage, if not kill him... though this is just specualtion and i'm not really sure if that would be the case |
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2007-01-17, 16:25 | Link #11 | |
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So, if BB's attacks nullify the effects of a devil fruit, what happens if Luffy stretches his arm to hit BB and the rubber effect is cancelled? Would Luffy end up with a 20 foot long "normal" arm coz his rubberism is gone? Tha'd be frikkin' hilarious |
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2007-01-17, 18:22 | Link #12 | |
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The reason i have concern for gear 2 and 3 is becuase there is stuff going on within luffy's body that is not really part of his devil fruit. Gear 2 for instance, we have luffy's blood running through out his body at an extremly fast rate... In theory, if luffy were to loose his devil fruit powers while in gear 2 it could cause serious damage to him... blackbeard's powers would make luffy loose his rubber power, but wouldn't nessasarily stop Luffy's blood from moving at it's alarming rate... So Luffy's blood would still be moving very fast in his now normal body... and as we know, the kind of internal pressure can kill a normal human... Rubber is how luffy gets into gear 2, rubber is how luffy survives gear 2, but rubber has nothing to do with how luffy stays in gear two... In the case of gear 3, the same can pretty much be said... Blackbeard's nullifying powers would turn luffy into a normal human, but it wouldn't remove the air that's currently inflating his bones... Luffy isn't just stretching his bones like he stretches his arms to perform attacks, he's actually putting something (air) inside of them, and that something has nothing to do with his rubber body... Though in this case, it could be that the moment his powers are nullified his body may still get back to normal and just force out all the air and thus there isn't much to be concerned about... however, the same can not be said about the fast moving blood while in gear2, so my concern there still stands somewhat... ofcourse this is all in theory, and i'm not sure how Oda will play it all out... oda may just say that gear 2 is immedietly turned off without giving much explanation as to how the blood stopped moving so fast |
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2007-01-17, 19:25 | Link #14 |
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Actually, just to make it a point... Blackbeard's power is just not darkness. Its GRAVITY. Oh man, that has got to be the coolest power ever. Hell, he's even got an atack called Black Hole. Talk about such an awesome equalizer.
Oh, and from the looks of it, something even greater is about to happen too, as a result of this fight. I seriously can't imagine what this is gonna be. /goes back to rambling about how much I wanted Gravity as a Devil Fruit. //If Oda knows anything about M theory, he might even try to throw in something about screwing up multiple dimensions. ///Light is the other fruit I want to see. ////Woman is the other devil fruit. It would be fun to see some Ranma 1/2 meets Piscis Aphrodite kinda story. |
2007-01-17, 20:45 | Link #15 |
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Ya know, I think that the best one to fight blackbeard would actually be Franky. He's neither DF user, nor human, technically speaking. For him to loose an arm would simply mean he's gotta replace a few parts. Just stop somewhere, talk to a blacksmith, and bingo, new apendage. Or he could even make them himself like he had before.
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2007-01-18, 02:35 | Link #16 |
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i was about to comment about a recent post i made until i read your posts.
if bb's power is indeed gravity then that's something else. i thought it was only darkness because ace's fire is considered light and light and darkness are considered a stalemate. but if gravity's involved then it may suck up the light, true.. but still im pretty sure there's still something that light can counter and oda just didnt consider it , this to make bb a strong character. |
2007-01-18, 11:34 | Link #17 |
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Man... kickass chapter. Blackbeard's powers are awesome. The fact that he can disable DF powers by touching the user makes him like a human seastone... whoa. And I like how he can still be physically hurt by normal attacks, unlike other Logias (it really DOES make him unique!). But the most interesting thing of all is that line in the last panel about that fight triggering some great event that's about to happen. My guess is that it can only mean one thing: Whitebeard is FREAKIN' PISSED.
However, I think that the next chapter is going to focus back on Luffy and co., so I don't expect to see the outcome of this battle anytime soon.... |
2007-01-18, 17:27 | Link #18 |
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Thing with blackbeard is he had to be insanely strong before he got his DF ability so even if he did fight someone like franky without using his ability he would still just own the shit out of him.
And whatever Aces' fate may be whether he died or not Luffy is gonna go crazy, along with White Beard of course. |
2007-01-18, 23:05 | Link #19 |
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Yeah, Blackbeard is definitely a tough one. Heck, it only took TWO punches from him to give Ace trouble. Plus, the fact that he was able to take all of Ace's attacks yet still be able to fight so well shows that he ain't no amateur, either. And not to mention the fact that he scarred Shanks years BEFORE he ate the fruit was proof already of his strength.....
And speaking of Shanks, this chapter made me notice how both him and Ace look oddly similar to each other... are they related, perhaps? |
2007-01-19, 00:04 | Link #20 |
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I'm a little confused about BB's ability still. If he can't block the attacks, and is taking them head on, does that mean he plans on taking a giant sun like fireball from Ace head on? I assumed that he would be able to make darkness in an instant and suck in any type of attack from a logia but he didn't seem to do that against Ace's other attacks.
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