(L) Yosuga no Sora

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Konakaga

I'll write on the episode later, but given the "branch" formatting of the omnibus method I thought of something that hasn't be mentioned...

What if episode 7 takes a different meaning off the preview from episode 1, I mean the previews for the episodes before the branching off could have been purposely done in a way to have two outcomes, since it leads to two different episodes.

So episode 7, Sora could actually be you know talking about that instead of a school uniform .

Like it's already been stated, this is something that both myself and relentlessflame had already mentioned last week... and I can't wait so see the results.

As for EP 4, sure the episode felt a bit rushed, but I have a theory that they are going to incorporate all that we learned about the other characters during those two episodes into the next two so we will learn more (not different mind you) about the characters in the Akira arc, and even moreso in the Nao arc, where we'll also be able to see a bit more concentration on jealous Sora, but Nao eventually being victorious.

Not to knock Kazuha/Akira, but I believe the real meat of the story will be Nao vs Sora, which is why the "development" chapters are of the tertiary characters.

When we finally get to the Sora arc we have less need for development (most of it has already happened in the previous arcs) and we get to concentrate on twincest mixed with agnst over the whole situation (I'm guessing at least one episode of her vs Nao, even though it's Sora's own arc) plus we will have a whole extra episode to work with.

Yeah, I have a good feeling that arc is going to be great.

Lastly, I agree, when her top came off she suddenly had a boob upgrade, while it was 'pleasant' on the eyes, I still rolled my eyes and laughed.

[Soraya21]

So the current theory is that we'll be getting a redux episode branching off from the end of episode 1? That makes perfect sense, since Haruka obviously needs to sample the goods and browse the wares before he'll enter into the wonderful world of wincest.

Besides the sex scene at the end, Kazuha's arc was a bit underwhelming. Her issue with her father seems pretty simplistic and took up too much focus, and Haruka doesn't really take an active role in resolving her situation. I have to say I was a bit disappointed overall. Hopefully the next heroine arcs will deal more with the girls' budding relationship with Haruka.

[Francismeunier]

Episode is 1/10!

The sex scene was wrong! I did not like it at all. Kazuha did not show enough care for Akira at all is what I find. Can't even believe she lost her virginity to Haruka.

Haruka is hated now by me. Either way the first half is a good 9/10 but because of the sex scene it gets -8 points. Completely useless and inappropriate to me.

I put my comments of the episode itself on my BLOG since it is so insulting of Haruka=>
http://francismeunier.blogspot.com/2...-thoughts.html
Of course my GIFs of the sex scene are here and they are NSFW=>
http://francismeunier.blogspot.com/2...de-4-gifs.html

Originally Posted by Soraya21

So the current theory is that we'll be getting a redux episode branching off from the end of episode 1? That makes perfect sense, since Haruka obviously needs to sample the goods before he'll want to browse her wares and enter into the wonderful world of wincest.

Haruka need no sample of goods nor anything of sorts it's wrong to me and Sora to suffer like this. The reset is only to not make the fans angry.

Originally Posted by Kanon

hat's very shallow of me, but my favorite scene was the one where Akira kissed her. Haru's fantasy came true, in a way.

Except he was not there to see it.

[Kakkou]

Congratulations on completely missing the point of the episode . Not enough care for Akira? Then what was the point of Akira's conversation with her at the shrine?

[Dop]

Certainly I think this development of 'the amagami protocol' of adapting galge/eroge scenarios to anime could work out pretty well.
Rather than trying to cobble all the variant storylines together into one continuous plot, and often making the protagonist seem like the biggest philanderer on earth, to adapt each storyline into its own story arc of the anime seems like a logical step. I guess more adaptations might follow the same format in future.


Fishfood1 makes a point. I think this would still be a series worth watching if you took out all the smut.

[Seihai]

Originally Posted by Francismeunier

Episode is 1/10!

The sex scene was wrong! I did not like it at all. Kazuha did not show enough care for Akira at all is what I find. Can't even believe she lost her virginity to Haruka.

Haruka is hated now by me. Either way the first half is a good 9/10 but because of the sex scene it gets -8 points. Completely useless and inappropriate to me.

I put my comments of the episode itself on my BLOG since it is so insulting of Haruka=>
http://francismeunier.blogspot.com/2...-thoughts.html
Of course my GIFs of the sex scene are here and they are NSFW=>
http://francismeunier.blogspot.com/2...de-4-gifs.html

Haruka need no sample of goods nor anything of sorts it's wrong to me and Sora to suffer like this. The reset is only to not make the fans angry.

In what way was it wrong? You're aware that there will probably be 3 more of them, right? And that means not only Kazuha will have lost her virginity to "such a guy".
She did show care for Akira, Akira kept fending off any help or support so that made things a bit more difficuilt.
Kazuha regretted herself that she did not enough for Akira, but in the end, especially regarding their father, we can see Akira is just fine, or is she not?

Also, the "to not make angry" part seems to have the opposite effect on you...
not liking Haru nor Kazuha, I prefer you would just overlook this arc, because it's just fine to do so given the omnibus structure.

[Francismeunier]

Originally Posted by Kakkou

Congratulations on completely missing the point of the episode . Not enough care for Akira? Then what was the point of Akira's conversation with her at the shrine?

There was no point it since all that happened was some anger with a Yuri kiss......did I get that wrong? Read my BLOG to find out my problem.

Originally Posted by Vanish

In what way was it wrong? You're aware that there will probably be 3 more of them, right? And that means not only Kazuha will have lost her virginity to "such a guy".

Yeah well Kazuha was not a girl I liked anyways after this. Furthermore this episode made me more angry....my BLOG says a lot more.

Originally Posted by Vanish

She did show care for Akira, Akira kept fending off any help or support so that made things a bit more difficuilt.

Well yeah but the point is Kazuha never persisted enough.

Originally Posted by Vanish

Kazuha regretted herself that she did not enough for Akira, but in the end, especially regarding their father, we can see Akira is just fine, or is she not?

That was the best part after but why the sex then? Anime industry getting into porn or what? VN adaptations to be true because it was ero?
Clannad proved that long ago that this series could not have been ecchi and could have been as good Ef series.
So why the ecchi?

Originally Posted by Vanish

Also, the "to not make angry" part seems to have the opposite effect on you...
not liking Haru nor Kazuha, I prefer you would just overlook this arc, because it's just fine to do so given the omnibus structure.

Yeah I think I will forget about it.

[Kakkou]

Originally Posted by Francismeunier

There was no point it since all that happened was some anger with a Yuri kiss......did I get that wrong? Read my BLOG to find out my problem.

Is that all you pay attention to? Anger and a yuri kiss? Did you think about the entire point of the yuri kiss? The only one being angry in that scene was Kazuha, who was trying to throw away her own personal love life and devote her entire life just to take care of Akira, who clearly doesn't want her sister doing such a thing. Skyfall had previously explained the significance of the kiss quite well:

Originally Posted by Skyfall

She was making a point with the reaction she triggered from Kazuha - that no matter how close their relationship, there is something she simply can't be for Kazuha. The later was throwing away her romantic life because of overreaction, and that would leave a hole that wouldn't be fixed by simply spending more time with Akira. And neither would be really happy long-term if Kazuha ended up regretting her rash decision later on. It was to provoke a "shock reaction" from Kazuha to snap her out of the over-concern mode, and to make her realize that she (Akira) isn't the only thing that matters in Kazuha's life. Kazuha needed a push to be shaken out of her "comfort zone", and due to the nature of the issue, this was Akira's way of delivering that push. Nothing "romance" related here - the very point of it was to show that it isn't, and that Kazuha needs to go get her 'fix', one that she would actually like, elsewhere, and that Akira can't be the be-all, end-all of her world, if she wants to be truly happy.

Got it memorized?

Honestly all I see is baseless nerdraging from someone who did not pay attention to the actual contents of the episode, and instead filtering everything out in favour of labeling Haruka as (that protag from that awful show I will not name) version 2.22 and Kazuha as some loose woman neglecting her dear sister. Until Haru starts bedding every living creature with two legs in the show one after the other he is no way comparable. I can tell you this, Kazuha's love and devotion to her sister is of the completely wrong kind, and is very suffocating for both parties. Even setting aside the fact it was done out of guilt and false obligation, there is such a thing as too much love.

Finally no, I do not want to read your tl;dr picture heavy blog with no valid arguments, just raging. One glance is all it takes for me to stay far far away from it forever.

[Ashaman]

From reading your Blog, the main thing that makes it seem you hate him is that he had sex (without Marriage?)

Is there any other reason?

Cause, you know, sex happens with loving couples. It's true.

I mean, you compared him to Mak??? School Days dude, but this is different. He's sticking to one girl. How is it the same?

I'll agree that it seemed rushed, (both the arc and how quick they got the couple to have sex), and that you can have great romance without ecchi scenes, but by no means did it ruin it for me.

About Kazeha not persisting enough... to me, if I had a brother or sister that was ruining his or her own (love) life to persist in helping me (wheather I needed it or not) out of a misplaced sense of guilt and anger, I'd stop them too. If Kazeha was any more persistant, I'd be seriously worried for her mental health.

On a side note, I hadn't visited this page in awhile, and so didn't know tht it would be omnibus(? Is that the term?) until the very end of the episode. lol, I thought him getting with Kazeha it was going to be a Death Flag before I realised my mistake, lol.

[Francismeunier]

Originally Posted by Kakkou

Is that all you pay attention to? Anger and a yuri kiss? Did you think about the entire point of the yuri kiss? The only one being angry in that scene was Kazuha, who was trying to throw away her own personal love life and devote her entire life just to take care of Akira, who clearly doesn't want her sister doing such a thing. Skyfall had previously explained the significance of the kiss quite well:
Got it memorized?

Yeah so what? I find it logical and fine does not mean I view the same way. The way I see it is more as thank you and I care for you more than you think.

Originally Posted by Kakkou

Honestly all I see is baseless nerdraging from someone who did not pay attention to the actual contents of the episode, and instead filtering everything out in favour of labeling Haruka as (that protag from that awful show I will not name) version 2.22 and Kazuha as some loose woman neglecting her dear sister. Until Haru starts bedding every living creature with two legs in the show one after the other he is no way comparable.

Nerd raging? Not at all since a nerd does not use his rifle like I do. Haruka is the protag like you say. Just the alternative universe is saving him from that.

Originally Posted by Kakkou

I can tell you this, Kazuha's love and devotion to her sister is of the completely wrong kind, and is very suffocating for both parties. Even setting aside the fact it was done out of guilt and false obligation, there is such a thing as too much love.

Not at all if it properly expressed in the right way.

Originally Posted by Kakkou

Finally no, I do not want to read your tl;dr picture heavy blog with no valid arguments, just raging.

My, at least I do more than write.

[0utf0xZer0]

Now now people, let's not all go blowing bran gaskets.

Originally Posted by Skyfall

Yes, well, i am wondering if people aren't actually (purposefully?) misunderstanding something about the kiss Akira didn't do it because she "likes" Kazuha in that way, or because she would be leaning that way. She was making a point with the reaction she triggered from Kazuha - that no matter how close their relationship, there is something she simply can't be for Kazuha. The later was throwing away her romantic life because of overreaction, and that would leave a hole that wouldn't be fixed by simply spending more time with Akira. And neither would be really happy long-term if Kazuha ended up regretting her rash decision later on. It was to provoke a "shock reaction" from Kazuha to snap her out of the over-concern mode, and to make her realize that she (Akira) isn't the only thing that matters in Kazuha's life. Kazuha needed a push to be shaken out of her "comfort zone", and due to the nature of the issue, this was Akira's way of delivering that push. Nothing "romance" related here - the very point of it was to show that it isn't, and that Kazuha needs to go get her 'fix', one that she would actually like, elsewhere, and that Akira can't be the be-all, end-all of her world, if she wants to be truly happy.

I think the shock value kind of made my brain shut down for a moment. But yes, if I had actually stopped to interpret the scene I probably would have come to a similar conclusion. Kind of interesting in that it shows that Akira isn't as "head in the clouds" as she appears at times.

[Francismeunier]

Originally Posted by Ashaman

From reading your Blog, the main thing that makes it seem you hate him is that he had sex (without Marriage?)

Is there any other reason?

Cause, you know, sex happens with loving couples. It's true.

The problem was yes the marriage but also that it just happened suddenly and there was the pants on thing????? How do you have sex with pants on?

Originally Posted by Ashaman

I mean, you compared him to Mak??? School Days dude, but this is different. He's sticking to one girl. How is it the same?

Well don't want to talk about it too much but if you take out the alternate universe thing it might have been. Personally I take it back since I calmed down but take out the reset and it looks like it.

Originally Posted by Ashaman

I'll agree that it seemed rushed, (both the arc and how quick they got the couple to have sex), and that you can have great romance without ecchi scenes, but by no means did it ruin it for me.

Yes I understand but we are all different. Why was it not done Ef style. Seriously the ecchi is ruining this show and the game!

Originally Posted by Ashaman

About Kazeha not persisting enough... to me, if I had a brother or sister that was ruining his or her own (love) life to persist in helping me (wheather I needed it or not) out of a misplaced sense of guilt and anger, I'd stop them too. If Kazeha was any more persistant, I'd be seriously worried for her mental health.

Now that is well said and I like it!

[Kakkou]

Originally Posted by Francismeunier

Nonsense

Ah, why did I even bother. I think I'll employ my own 'selective vision' when reading the topic from now on. It's much less hassle.

Originally Posted by 0utf0xZer0

Kind of interesting in that it shows that Akira isn't as "head in the clouds" as she appears at times.

Her character type tends to be that way lol. What was the trope called.... Obfuscating Stupidity?

[relentlessflame]

Originally Posted by Francismeunier

Yes I understand but we are all different. Why was it not done Ef style. Seriously the ecchi is ruining this show and the game!

What in the world... You haven't even played the game. How in heaven's name can you say that it's "ruining" a game you haven't even played?! Plus, it's an erogame; the sex is part of the game!

Originally Posted by Francismeunier

Now that is well said and I like it!

Do you even realize that his point is completely contradicting your faulty interpretation of the scene? He's saying that Akira was right to push Kazuha away and encourage her to pursue her romantic relationship with Haruka.

Enough already. Please re-watch the episode and actually pay attention this time. Future derailment will be deleted.

[HandofFate]

Originally Posted by Francismeunier

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Originally Posted by Kakkou View Post
I can tell you this, Kazuha's love and devotion to her sister is of the completely wrong kind, and is very suffocating for both parties. Even setting aside the fact it was done out of guilt and false obligation, there is such a thing as too much love.

Not at all if it properly expressed in the right way.

She is expressing it correctly. now anyway, that Akira kissed some sense into her. And Haru corrected her on her misconception about her father.

Akira isn't the poor suffering child thrown to the gutter that Kazeha kept thinking she was.

Caring for her half-sister is fine, but you don't do it by treating them like an endangered species that need to be babied. Most of the way she was acting wasn't even from love, it was mostly from self-guilt. Now that she realized her misconception, she can actually have a proper sisterly relationship with Akira.

I do agree that the 8 minute h-scene at the end of the episode was un-needed though. It would have been fine with the implied act to follow, then leading into just the viola playing. Now this h-scene is just what everyone is going to focus on, and will alienate the more casual audiences.

[germanturkey]

the point. you've missed it.

regardless, its an r18+ adaptation where the directors are doing a lot right. i believe the "comfort zone" discussion was a good one, because it made Kazuha realize that everything was all right. i still can't get over the scene with Akira and her father. "Its the same as it was then." very well done scene.

[HandofFate]

Originally Posted by germanturkey

the point. you've missed it.

regardless, its an r18+ adaptation where the directors are doing a lot right. i believe the "comfort zone" discussion was a good one, because it made Kazuha realize that everything was all right. i still can't get over the scene with Akira and her father. "Its the same as it was then." very well done scene.

same. if anything, the various music cues so far have been fantastic and really bring the proper emotion to the scenes.

[HandofFate]

also, one thing about the h-scene.

Spoiler for haru's dirty thoughts:

All the while Kazeha was playing, Haru appretenly is just daydreaming about doing her last night or something.

So I took the coversation afterwards to be:

Kazeha: Haruka, I'm happy I could play for you
Haru (daydreaming): (Kazeha's boobies)
Kazeha: Haru?
Haru: (eechi old man look)
Kazeha: Haru?

Haru: *snaps out of it* oh yea, very nice playing Kazeha.

[DragoZERO]

Just finished and whoa...they sure pushed the bar. She was flailing a lot there...lol.

And is the music here by the person who did True Tears? It reminded a lit of it this time.

[scarlet512]

I don't feel this 2 episode format is good for the "arc" type of anime. Feels too rushed. The 4 episode format in Amagami SS is much better imo.