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Everyone who are known as geniuses are called a genius at their young age (even as early as 4 or 5). They are called genius because of their immense ability to learn and comprehend which are vastly superior compare to typical children and adults. There are countless adults in the world with more knowledge than genius children due to their experience and studies, but they are never called genius because it took them 'a lot of time' to gain their knowledge compare to a genius. School can make you become more intelligence because it helps you gain more knowledge, but it can never make you a genius. That is why every famous school would accept students as intellectual (especially geniuses) as possible, because they know people's speed of learning/comprehension are different the moment they are born. |
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2011-02-05, 13:55 | Link #7743 | |
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In this very manga it's implied that genius is not an inborn trait. Nagi, Sakuya, Isumi and Wataru are excellent examples. All are grade-skippers, but Wataru's only seems to be outside of school learning. Nagi is called a genius, but the only trait which seems to show this is her ability to handle money, while she fails at manga-making and does exceptionally badly on housework, and it's implied that even if she were taught how to do housework right, she still wouldn't be able to handle it. On the other hand, Hinagiku has only recently (by the story standards) been given the honor of being called a genius, and has learned to be such. Additionally, Hayate isn't hailed as a genius and could probably outperform all three on tasks learned from scratch within a given time frame. He learned nearly all of his swordsmanship skills from Athena in what appears to be a few months, and is able to fight at a level that took others years to accomplish. He also missed the school cut off line by one point, despite us being shown continually that he has a lot of knowledge available to him. The false test Yukiji put him through would have had no effect on his grade if he were a genius.
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2011-02-05, 16:59 | Link #7745 | |
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such exceptionality is only verified through a series of tests related to his/her expertise... on tv, the word is overused. being a genius is more than memorizing all countries and their capitals. it requires a lot more than that to be labeled as a 'genius'. as for 'geniuses' in the manga, i think athena and maria fits the criteria. athena especially -- the way she speaks as a kid, social life mainly around adults, except hayate and hina, decision-making skills, her priorities as a child are all indicators of it. as for maria, i can't say much because she has really few screen time . nagi and hina might be around superior. being a genius does not equate achievement. that is why even if hina might not be on the same caliber as athena or maria in terms of mental ability. she excels in a lot of areas, including the acads. |
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2011-02-05, 17:48 | Link #7746 | |
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Ever seen the show 'Eureka'? The main character is considered the only one of the town not a genius, and yet has continually shown to be able to surpass the rest of the town's level of intelligence to make his conclusions, all while having a completely average mental ability. He learns faster than the supposed 'genius' around him.
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Just tell a neurologist (or any intellectual being): My brain will rewire to have an IQ level of a genius if I study harder. Or, I'm sure l'll have a genius IQ level if I study more. You'll become a celebrity. Quote:
Skip grades do not equivalent to being a genius. It can be done by a smart and hard-working person like Wataru. He said he studied his ass-off in order to skip grades (yes, hard-work pays off in school). However, Nagi easily skipped grades even though she was absent frequently. Nagi, Maria, and Athena are the only three that was called 'genius' in the manga by other people I believe. ---Nagi was called a 'genius' by Maria because she was an extremely fast learner. At the age of 7, Nagi beat all of her tutors in every game such as in chess,and claimed that none of them was smart enough to teach her, with the only exception being Maria. Yes, that's a genius level that none of the other four you spoke of had shown. ---Maria was called a 'true genius' by the robot-creator-teacher with the same exceptionally intellectual capability as Nagi, but Maria is ever better thant Nagi with her entered high school at 10 and graduated at 13. Never lost in a game. ---Athena was called the 'greatest genius' by Miki because well..I would also like to know what Athena did for Miki to put her above Maria. Quote:
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2011-02-05, 21:08 | Link #7748 | |
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the rationale behind the 'older than they look' as you mentioned is simply because gifted(genius) have cognitive abilities beyond their age -- i.e. 6-year old genius may think like an adult(?)... which is also the reason why they prefer talking to adults because children their age couldn't comprehend what they are saying. for example, the little a-tan in RG knows that it takes financial security, abilities to take care of the your important person, etc. to be in an actual relationship (although exaggeratedly so) which is something hayate didn't understand much back then. im sorry i havent seen any anime in years as i mentioned giftedness DOES NOT equate achievement. geniuses can be underachievers too. like what you shared about eureka, it happened to einstein as well. his speech was delayed. he cannot read until 7 but we have the benefit of knowing he is one of the greatest minds of our era. thomas edison was called dumb by his teacher yet he invented quite a number of things. being a genius is not determined by ordinary people. although we can suspect who is and who's not gifted, we still need pros to diagnose them for us. Last edited by ridgezipline; 2011-02-05 at 21:18. Reason: mixed up :)) |
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That was a belief common in past ages, and is currently dismissed off-hand, Athena would have known that, even if she had learned it by being a genius. The event is shown that he was taught the lesson with that being Athena's own words (from Hayate's memories), and thus what was pounded into him, not his own translation of what he was taught. Athena is a living, breathing counter to her own argument, and that she does nothing to dissuade his statement when he presents this to her later proves that that is exactly what she was talking about. The lesson taught also says nothing about the physical toll of the issue, only the financial. Most (of many ages) would say that the Quote:
His daughter is actually proof of the 'genius can be learned' statement, it wasn't immediately apparent, but she actually belongs in the town as one of the genius', but that's only because she learned to be so, and her father still amazes her. So you're going to wait for someone else to tell you someone's a genius? Is it just me, or does that just plain not sound an intelligent course of action?
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2011-02-05, 23:46 | Link #7751 | |
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*By Science, I mean references to other completely unrelated (and fictional)cartoons, Television shows, and the odd insert clip from Bill Nye the Science Guy. |
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2011-02-06, 00:35 | Link #7752 | |
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Apparently, events in a sci-fictions series can be used as a fact for some. |
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2011-02-06, 01:54 | Link #7753 | |
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B: If you actually cared, you'd know that many sci-fi shows often take a lot of pains to use actual scientific fact within their content, generally having experts within the fields be on-set during events to make sure of it, Eureka often does so, and makes it clear within the show even. Even though Rule of Cool is the order, especially where Athena is concerned, Hata sometimes does delve into real issues. Also, I continually attempt to bring it back to it's base and it's often you two who tend to take it off course. This discussion had actually started as something else entirely.
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2011-02-06, 03:25 | Link #7754 |
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You called your implications facts.
Would you please find a chapter in the manga where Wataru, Isumi, Sayuka, or Hinagiku was being called a genius (like you claimed they are geniuses according to the manga "standard," the "standard" to be a genius you personally made up for the manga without knowing anyone's IQ level)? Don't give me the 'manga implied this and implied that' over and over and over again without any proof. Yes, they many time tried to use scientific ideas to create a fiction story, meaning the story is not true. The events (the word I used) in those fiction series are make-believes, like the case that you used as a fact (as a true story) where an 'average person was capable to save his town because he had an average intelligent with simplistic thinking, while all the geniuses were useless because they were too smart.'Taking that situation seriously is ludicrous to the norm (it's a fiction story, please look at the genre!!!). Last edited by zodanhko; 2011-02-06 at 05:06. |
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2011-02-06, 15:01 | Link #7756 | ||
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I will say one thing about this whole genius business: assuming one has intimate knowledge of the field(s) in question, one can truly know what a genius is only by knowing one firsthand (fictional characters don't bloody count) or actually being one. I seriously doubt either applies to anyone here. That, and standards for being a genius must have dropped quite a bit, considering how often the term is thrown around nowadays. Last edited by mitsuganae; 2011-02-06 at 17:00. |
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The story often is largely true, but put into another setting to keep from being to blatant about it and getting taken off of the air for insulting the government or someone. The genius' in Eureka are not useless because they're too smart, they're useful (except for the main character, the genius' play a significant role), and they do give him the facts he needs, they just can't put them together in the 'save the episode' way that he can. Essentially Humans are Special put in a setting we ourselves haven't gotten to yet. Take another Sci Fi example and largely you'll find the same pattern. Even things like comics could be thrown under the umbrella of Sci Fi, but clearly use methods of actual science to explain things. Even HnG uses his method on occasion. Quote:
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So using your own statement, that normal people can't make a judgment about a person being a genius, we can't call anyone a genius, and neither can anyone within the manga because we've been given no hints that any of them are qualified for it, and thus this entire argument is invalidated. Don't you just love when statements are put together like that Mc Glasses?
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The word fiction was there because , like fantasy genre, the story was created from the author's imagination, not from reality, but with the integration of the current laws of nature and scientific ideas, or could possibly contradict them and established new laws that haven't exist, which many fantasy stories generally lack. Phenomenons like aliens, time-travels, superpower, physic, faster than the speed of light, parallel world had never occurred nor discovered and were never true. Stories can be considered true only after they had occurred in reality, which are those stories we called non-fictions. The scientific principles that applied to those stories may be valid and some could possibly be achieved in the future, but not one of those science-fictions stories have been a true story. Quote:
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