Mahouka LN - Prologue of Disturbance (Volumes 21 & 22) Discussion / Poll

[nijok]

Originally Posted by azarhal

The 3rd institute is run by the Mitsuya and another Msomething family, but there is a lots of magicians from the military that go train there. Seems like the Chiba do as well.



The author already spoiled that this won't happen. His two other series are set in the same setting over 200 and 400 years later.

are you saying that the other two stories are (like) the continuation of mahouka?

[pampz21]

So Tatsuya really became immortal; maybe they'll meet his descendants.

[amtro]

Tatsuya has not appeared in either of the two, or even been referenced.
Majin Shikkokan and Dowl Masters are their names, for the record.

[azarhal]

Originally Posted by zerosum

400 years??? that weird coz i just recheck that story start at years 2400 in outer space that mean 300years after event in mahouka right?

please correct me if im wrong

I read 400 years online, I didn't do the maths.

Originally Posted by nijok

are you saying that the other two stories are (like) the continuation of mahouka?

Not a continuation, just using the same setting, apparently. I think DOWL Master reads more like an alternate universe personally, I haven't seen anything about the new ones outside it's a detective story.

[zerosum]

Originally Posted by azarhal

I read 400 years online, I didn't do the maths.

Not a continuation, just using the same setting, apparently. I think DOWL Master reads more like an alternate universe personally, I haven't seen anything about the new ones outside it's a detective story.

ok, i dont blame you.

hurm, this remind me reki kawahara write accel world and sword art online at the same universe but different timeline.

so sato trying to adapt this concept in his works

[Sparteh]

Was the spoiler that it was officially announced that Tatsuya was strategic class confirmed? If yes, were reactions of his gang showed?

[azarhal]

Originally Posted by Sparteh

Was the spoiler that it was officially announced that Tatsuya was strategic class confirmed? If yes, were reactions of his gang showed?

That was a fake spoiler.

[TrueAlchemist]

Originally Posted by mashingan

daiichi wa no tsuika jouhou

Spoiler for additional spoiler chapter 1:

- Gouki was overexerting his Magic Calculation Area in order to defend his subordinate from mist bomb. He deployed barrier magic in four directions, the (magic) scale of barrier was able to save more than 100 people.

- Tatsuya got report about Ichijou incident and he deduced would be given some tasks in near future. Miyuki shocked and said that it would hinder his guardian duty, but Tatsuya said, his status (somehow) currently wasn't as a guardian anymore after revelation his engagement with Miyuki.

- Yotsuba helped Ichijou clan by sending Tsukuba Yuuka but the direct connection between Tsukuba and Yotsuba wasn't revealed. In this case, Tsukuba family introduced as some colleagues family that leading researcher in Magic Calculation Area.

- Juumonji contacted Mayumi to ask some detailed info regarding the incident about Ichijou clan's head. During that Juumonji deduced whether it was Tuman Bomba but Mayumi dismissed by saying Katsuto just overthinking things.

What is mist bomb?
Based on the past spoiler, I remembered Gouki stopped Tuman Bomba.
So, Gouki did not stop Tuman Bomba, and he only created the barrier.

[mashingan]

Originally Posted by TrueAlchemist

What is mist bomb?
Based on the past spoiler, I remembered Gouki stopped Tuman Bomba.
So, Gouki did not stop Tuman Bomba, and he only created the barrier.

IIRC, I read somewhere that Tuman Bomba is literally translated as mist bomb.
Yeah, I did wonder how Gouki able to stop Tuman Bomba based on previous spoiler alone but after reading the actual chapter, he only blocked the bomb by erecting amazingly wide scale barrier magic.

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After Maya reading video message about asking permission to attend the Young 10MC invitation letter, Maya said this

Originally Posted by Maya

こんな些細なことまで私の許可を求めてくるなんて、達也さんも案外可愛らしいこと

Even seeking my permission for this trivial matter, Tatsuya-san unexpectedly do delightfully.

Also, if anyone wondering why Miyuki didn't attend it, it because Tatsuya said to Miyuki to not attend, he's alone sufficient.
Yakumo too agree with his decision that something pulling string behind this meeting.
Tatsuya thought it's just trivial if someone/something attacking him (he didn't say it aloud) but Yakumo harshly warned him to beware by saying
"Even though the beast known as social doesn't have a fang, it still able to kill an individual"

[RedWingFM]

Originally Posted by mashingan

IIRC, I read somewhere that Tuman Bomba is literally translated as mist bomb.
Yeah, I did wonder how Gouki able to stop Tuman Bomba based on previous spoiler alone but after reading the actual chapter, he only blocked the bomb by erecting amazingly wide scale barrier magic.

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After Maya reading video message about asking permission to attend the Young 10MC invitation letter, Maya said this



Also, if anyone wondering why Miyuki didn't attend it, it because Tatsuya said to Miyuki to not attend, he's alone sufficient.
Yakumo too agree with his decision that something pulling string behind this meeting.
Tatsuya thought it's just trivial if someone/something attacking him (he didn't say it aloud) but Yakumo harshly warned him to beware by saying
"Even though the beast known as social doesn't have a fang, it still able to kill an individual"

Tuman (russian Туман) in English mean mist))

[azarhal]

Originally Posted by mashingan

Also, if anyone wondering why Miyuki didn't attend it, it because Tatsuya said to Miyuki to not attend, he's alone sufficient.
Yakumo too agree with his decision that something pulling string behind this meeting.
Tatsuya thought it's just trivial if someone/something attacking him (he didn't say it aloud) but Yakumo harshly warned him to beware by saying
"Even though the beast known as social doesn't have a fang, it still able to kill an individual"

Looks likes someone realized Tatsuya sucks at social stuff and they created a pretty trap for him. How delighted the Saegusa must have been when he showed up alone.

[sparhawk1610]

Well, he can always nuke all of them But I am now really curious what will happen after that conference.

[MRD143]

They don't realize that Tatsuya is designed to not need social interaction with others. So you isolate him from the group, big deal. As long as Miyuki is by his side he will let the world burn and not blink an eye.

[Plumme]

And then we just need to see how Tatsuya owned them through action; project ESCAPE in thesis com and then realization with help from the Magic Associations. Silver Tatsuya in action. Action speaks louder than words and shits, countering Anti-Magician movements effectively or something

Saegusa would be constipated knowing they just lost poins of favor from Mr Silver then.

Those who feels good over isolating tatsuya sama would feel the worst later on as usual

[mashingan]

In Hokkaido battle, Tatsuya was stationed in Kasumiura base to do super long range magic.

At first Tatsuya wanted to use Gram Dispersion to dispel the magic sequence but after analysing there were two surprising components.
The first was delayed activation magic, Tatsuya thought this was nothing special but the other, magic replication was very unusual.
Because its disposition was very different with magic replicated with Loop Cast. While magic invoked via Loop Cast still needed the operator to include the multi-variables values (like Tatsuya did when duelling Hattori) but in this case the sequence itself that replicate the sequence and adjusting the values by itself.

In that very moment Tatsuya changed the spell from Gram Dispersion to Mist Dispersion. He fought Tuman Bomba with the exact opposite of physical phenomena.
(I will correct it later after reading carefully), the Tumba Bomba was to create water so Tatsuya fought it by decomposing.

Vladivostok, Igor removed his helmet (from the illustrated image, he was sitting in chair big).
It was actually CAD Supercomputer, and Igor fought Tatsuya from there.

After seeing once, Igor somehow was able to deduce it was decomposition. Remembering it, he thought it maybe the same person who invoked matter-energy conversion magic.

[Diocar]

Originally Posted by mashingan

In Hokkaido battle, Tatsuya was stationed in Kasumiura base to do super long range magic.

At first Tatsuya wanted to use Gram Dispersion to dispel the magic sequence but after analysing there were two surprising components.
The first was delayed activation magic, Tatsuya thought this was nothing special but the other, magic replication was very unusual.
Because its disposition was very different with magic replicated with Loop Cast. While magic invoked via Loop Cast still needed the operator to include the multi-variables values (like Tatsuya did when duelling Hattori) but in this case the sequence itself that replicate the sequence and adjusting the values by itself.

In that very moment Tatsuya changed the spell from Gram Dispersion to Mist Dispersion. He fought Tuman Bomba with the exact opposite of physical phenomena.
(I will correct it later after reading carefully), the Tumba Bomba was to create water so Tatsuya fought it by decomposing.

Vladivostok, Igor removed his helmet (from the illustrated image, he was sitting in chair big).
It was actually CAD Supercomputer, and Igor fought Tatsuya from there.

After seeing once, Igor somehow was able to deduce it was decomposition. Remembering it, he thought it maybe the same person who invoked matter-energy conversion magic.

Really interesting post.
Basically you say that tats found out that there was a delayed activation sequence and a magic(?) sequence that replicates itself including all necessary components to cast a spell. So instead of entering a race to see if gram dispersion decomposes the magic sequence faster than what it replicates he decided to use mist dispersal to decompose the effects of the magic sequence. In this case water, therefore elimating the replification factor from the battle.
Is this correct?
By the way, what is the utility of a magic sequence that replicates itself? besides annoying tats it should be useful in some way...

[bakato]

Can you tell us what went on during the meeting? I can't believe anyone present would actually agree with the Saegusa's proposal.

[mashingan]

Originally Posted by Diocar

Really interesting post.
Basically you say that tats found out that there was a delayed activation sequence and a magic(?) sequence that replicates itself including all necessary components to cast a spell. So instead of entering a race to see if gram dispersion decomposes the magic sequence faster than what it replicates he decided to use mist dispersal to decompose the effects of the magic sequence. In this case water, therefore elimating the replification factor from the battle.
Is this correct?
By the way, what is the utility of a magic sequence that replicates itself? besides annoying tats it should be useful in some way...

Yes, it's very much as you deduced, it's about like that.
It was useless to use Gram Dispersion because Tatsuya didn't find the common sequence of magic activation. Or to be precise, he didn't see the magic invocation.

Actually, those self-replicating magic sequence were used to change gas composition while delayed-activation magic used for triggering the combustion. Used one by one, those magics simply used as simple bomb and the power shouldn't too strong. But when used as Tuman Bomba (in large scale), the power able to match nuclear processes.

Originally Posted by bakato

Can you tell us what went on during the meeting? I can't believe anyone present would actually agree with the Saegusa's proposal.

Yes, the meeting didn't end in the end volume. When Tatsuya said his reasoning, no one was able to refute but no one was able to support too.

When Tatsuya re-confirm the objective of meeting to Katsuto, everyone there just freeze because of his reasoning.

The one who gave look "interesting" was Mutsuzuka Atsuko (Current Mutsuzuka head clan) and Yatsushiro Takara (brother of current Yatsushiro head clan). Masaki too gave the same look but immediately aware the moment Mayumi's name come to discussion, Miyuki's name naturally came out too.

Katsuto said with his glance (silently looked at Tatsuya while the meaning about like) "do something about this" situation, Tatsuya added some of his reasoning that there were many magicians perform their duties in police and fire-fighter department, so suddenly saying one should perform to do social contribution, it's a same meaning to dismiss the efforts of those who already works as policeman and fire-fighter.
But his effort was the opposite effect of what he wanted, instead of remedy the situation, the people there were more and more petrified


Apart from that, Tomokazu quite manipulator as the conversation changed from how to handle anti-magician movement to "how to increase the popularity" of magicians.
He said in common people, there were two types, the "Noisy Minority" and "Silent Majority".
The noisy minority was the type who hate/scared of the magicians while silent majority was the neutral.
And speaking of popularity, it became broadcasting topic, and then became "some performance" and like that.
At first there was someone said that Mayumi should fit that kind of task but then Tomokazu shrewdly pointed Miyuki should be better.

In this point Tatsuya immediately cut those crap, and re-confirm the objective of meeting to Katsuto.

[bakato]

Originally Posted by mashingan

Yes, the meeting didn't end in the end volume. When Tatsuya said his reasoning, no one was able to refute but no one was able to support too.

When Tatsuya re-confirm the objective of meeting to Katsuto, everyone there just freeze because of his reasoning.

The one who gave look "interesting" was Mutsuzuka Atsuko (Current Mutsuzuka head clan) and Yatsushiro Takara (brother of current Yatsushiro head clan). Masaki too gave the same look but immediately aware the moment Mayumi's name come to discussion, Miyuki's name naturally came out too.

Katsuto said with his glance (silently looked at Tatsuya while the meaning about like) "do something about this" situation, Tatsuya added some of his reasoning that there were many magicians perform their duties in police and fire-fighter department, so suddenly saying one should perform to do social contribution, it's a same meaning to dismiss the efforts of those who already works as policeman and fire-fighter.
But his effort was the opposite effect of what he wanted, instead of remedy the situation, the people there were more and more petrified


Apart from that, Tomokazu quite manipulator as the conversation changed from how to handle anti-magician movement to "how to increase the popularity" of magicians.
He said in common people, there were two types, the "Noisy Minority" and "Silent Majority".
The noisy minority was the type who hate/scared of the magicians while silent majority was the neutral.
And speaking of popularity, it became broadcasting topic, and then became "some performance" and like that.
At first there was someone said that Mayumi should fit that kind of task but then Tomokazu shrewdly pointed Miyuki should be better.

In this point Tatsuya immediately cut those crap, and re-confirm the objective of meeting to Katsuto.

The meeting didn't end by the end of the volume? According to the summary of chapter 5 on the wiki, Tatsuya was walking out of the room. Were they taking a break?

You lost me several times. Why did everyone freeze when Tatsuya re-confirmed the objective of the meeting? Why were they petrified when they heard Tatsuya's reasoning about social contribution? It makes sense.

So that whole make Miyuki an idol was just an aside?

[Plumme]

Originally Posted by mashingan

In Hokkaido battle, Tatsuya was stationed in Kasumiura base to do super long range magic.

At first Tatsuya wanted to use Gram Dispersion to dispel the magic sequence but after analysing there were two surprising components.
The first was delayed activation magic, Tatsuya thought this was nothing special but the other, magic replication was very unusual.
Because its disposition was very different with magic replicated with Loop Cast. While magic invoked via Loop Cast still needed the operator to include the multi-variables values (like Tatsuya did when duelling Hattori) but in this case the sequence itself that replicate the sequence and adjusting the values by itself.

In that very moment Tatsuya changed the spell from Gram Dispersion to Mist Dispersion. He fought Tuman Bomba with the exact opposite of physical phenomena.
(I will correct it later after reading carefully), the Tumba Bomba was to create water so Tatsuya fought it by decomposing.

Vladivostok, Igor removed his helmet (from the illustrated image, he was sitting in chair big).
It was actually CAD Supercomputer, and Igor fought Tatsuya from there.

After seeing once, Igor somehow was able to deduce it was decomposition. Remembering it, he thought it maybe the same person who invoked matter-energy conversion magic.

Woah. More and more fascinating things out of this chapter. I'm liking this chapter more and more.

CAD supercomputer allows Igor to produce such micromanagement in magic invocation? Moreover an independant one? That's amazing.

I hope Tatsuya would come up with more innovations if not already. Isn't that basically what he wants to produce since previous volumes? Or am i wrong? Wow soviet union wow.

I don't like wowwing enemies but after so many antagonists letting us down in previous volume, this kind of indimidating ones are welcomed a bit ��

Btw, why is tatsuya's reasonings caused them to be petrified? Is it because it doesnt suit a Yotsuba to say such kind of thing? Or because he is a Yotsuba so people just scared of him esp when he's being serious (and not many knows him in that conference unlike Katsuto or Masaki)? They didnt know he was like that so they were very scared of him? Or is it because of his cold and emotionless voice?

Or is it because he unconsciously let some of his intimidating aura while cutting the craps saegusa was saying because it was related to Miyuki? Or did he stated outrightly his inference of the whole meeting like Saegusa's actual intention or something shrewd that totally catch someone's bullshits out of blue? Blueshit?

Which was it?

I can imagine Katsuto laughing secretly inside at his kouhai causing such reactions.