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Old 2016-02-25, 18:35   Link #821
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I don't buy that Yashiro-sensei could be the sole culprit anymore. He might be the original culprit, or he might be Nishizono in the future, but either of those would be quite a leap, and him being both a huge stretch. It seems more like there's two culprits. The psycho guy X who is abducting children, and Nishizono who is cleaning up after him and setting other people up for his crimes. For some reason, it'd be really bad for him if the real original culprit was caught.
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Old 2016-02-25, 18:37   Link #822
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Heh, Satoru ran past Aya, the third victim but he didn't notice her.
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Old 2016-02-25, 20:56   Link #823
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As for Sayo, I don't think they are returning her to her mom. That just does not make sense, as that would leave her vulnerable even if it is one night. At the very least, they are reporting to Kayo's mom. I curious what the next move is, since I'm expecting a lot of doom and gloom to happen in the next episode.
My current thought is that they're there to...

1. Tell Kayo's mom that Kayo is leaving her, and will be living with Sachiko/Satoru until a new home is found for Kayo.

2. For Kayo to pick up the rest of her stuff, and move it with her to Sachiko/Satoru's home for the immediate future.

If I'm right, it's pretty courageous for Sachiko to be doing this without another adult there backing her up. I mean, if I'm right, this could easily descend into a nasty fight between Sachiko and Kayo's mom.

Still, I can see it, since Sachiko is amazingly 'with it' and very smoothly takes charge once her son turns to her for help. Sachiko's actions in Episode 8 would be commendable even if it came from a father/mother combo working together, so it being done by a single parent is tremendously impressive.


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About the killer well, they have his hideout with some evidence. They have to find a way to inform the police.
If the killer was the teacher he should have known about Satoru involvement so he wouldn't have been clueless about Kayo.
There's subtle hints in some of the teacher's Episode 8 dialogue that he's aware of Satoru's involvement.

In one scene...

Satoru: Sensei! Would you call the police or the Child Consultation Center?

Sensei: The police... yeah... if I call the police now, won't it cause someone trouble? (Satoru is showed sweat-dropping over Sensei's statement here - maybe this is meant to indicate that Sensei is aware of Satoru's involvement, and Sensei is sort of knowingly saying to Satoru - "Hey, if I call the police, you and/or Kayo could get into trouble with them.")


In another scene...

Child Consultation Center Officer: Is the daughter all right? We could have the police look for the mother.

Sensei: No. I have a feeling Kayo is safe. In fact, I happen to know she is.

How does he know that unless he's figured out her whereabouts and/or Satoru's involvement?


And, as these two scenes make clear, the teacher doesn't want to get the police involved. Which is certainly interesting...

It's possible that the teacher is just a good responsible man trying to help out in the least disruptive way possible. I don't want to rule that out entirely. But by the same token, no notable character we've met so far seems anywhere near as suspicious as the teacher does. If the show wants the killer's identity to be of substantial importance, then the teacher makes the most sense to me by far.

At this juncture, I'm inclined to think that the culprit is either the teacher, or some kinda random behind-the-scenes guy(s), or possibly both (the multiple culprit theory that thundrakkon and Jaden suggested makes some sense to be sure).


Anyway, I agree with other viewers here on the quality of Episode 8 as a whole. ERASED is truly one of the very best anime at blending heartwarming character drama with superb suspense. The scenes involving Kayo at Satoru's home were all golden.
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Old 2016-02-25, 21:08   Link #824
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In another scene...

Child Consultation Center Officer: Is the daughter all right? We could have the police look for the mother.

Sensei: No. I have a feeling Kayo is safe. In fact, I happen to know she is.
Actually, that was a mistranslation. What he said is "kokoro-atari", which means he thinks he has a good idea how she's doing and/or where she is and why. In fact, this could be seen to actually make it more certain he knows what Satoru's doing.

All that said, I'm going to have to go back over the past of this show, I don't remember what the charcoal was about...
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Old 2016-02-25, 21:43   Link #825
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This show seems to be either:
- blatantly hinting who the killer is with all those shady camera shots on the teacher such that guessing who the killer is is not really the point for audience
- deliberately misleading us
- misdirecting us partially by hinting to us who the killer is and yet sneak something right under our noses to create a twist factor

But from those camera shots, I would say that even if the teacher is not the killer, he's an accomplice for sure.

But the best part of the show is actually Satoru's Mom. She's really a best Mom. Very cool.
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Old 2016-02-25, 22:08   Link #826
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Episode 8 and the feels train goes on with no sign of stopping. Now the d'aaww-inducing Satoru x Kayo moments are compounded by the equally d'aawww-inducing moments of "now Kayo finally has a mom, wouldn't it be wonderful if Kayo could just live happily ever after with Satoru and his mom." And these even more compounded by the moments like Kayo instinctively cowering when Sachiko is about to pat her on the head- just rubbing in the sad truth that this is the first time she's ever had a proper mother.

Sadly, though, this story isn't over by a long shot, and Satoru clearly still has more work to do before he earns the happy ending.

Meanwhile, yet more implications that Yashiro is involved, or at least knows something, even if not the actual murderer himself. On another note, I wonder if that footprint will somehow become important in identifying the killer or at least proving Shiratori's innocence.

Finally, I almost wonder if perhaps Satoru and company should have destroyed or taken some of the more important parts of the "murder kit" in the bus- i.e. the mask, duct tape, spray bottle, charcoal etc. It wouldn't stop him for any more than one night, most likely, but knowing how this series works, that one night might be the difference.... Or it could even slow him for longer as it would indicate that someone knows what he's up to and make him hesitate. Then again, it by the same note, it could do nothing.
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Old 2016-02-25, 22:14   Link #827
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the d'aaww-inducing Satoru x Kayo moments
Rewatching the episode I noticed some of those are anime-original. The director must be a Kayo x Satoru shipper.
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Old 2016-02-25, 22:19   Link #828
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Must say Sachiko really know what Satoru is doing Its good to see Kayo happy
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Old 2016-02-25, 22:26   Link #829
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The only issue I have with that is my concern with what the law indicates in this type of situation. Kayo's mom is also her legal guardian. If Sachiko takes Kayo away without Kayo's mom's permission, then it would be considered kidnapping. That could end up being really messy. Then again, I don't know what Japan's law is concerning this.

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While I do agree that he does not want the police involved for one reason or another, the reason he probably knows that Satoru's is involved is because he has been in contact with Sachiko. Sachiko figured out that her son has been helping Kayo, so it is very likely that she could have hinted that to Yashiro-sensei. It was when Sachiko called Yashiro as soon as Kayo arrived is the hint that they have been talking.

Of course, at this point, there is such a fine line between the teacher being truly caring and thoughtful, or he is very calculating in order to gather information to plot his next move.

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I think it was more concerning the toxicity of inhaling the charcoal. If it was being burnt, it releases carbon monoxide. Also, with black dust from the coal, there is potential to develop black lung disease over prolong exposure. In that instant, it showed Satoru thinking of the fumes gathering around Kayo while she was sleeping. Satoru is just upset that he exposed Kayo to such dangers.

The only other relevance would be when Airi's house was burning, as this could have been used to start a fire.
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Old 2016-02-25, 22:38   Link #830
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I watched the ED more closely tonight than I have for a while and thought it had a lot of stylistic similarities with the first ED of Shin Sekai Yori, another A-1 production. I thought perhaps they had the same director, but the one for this show is by "Unit Director" Ishihama Masashi while ED1 of Shin Sekai Yori is credited to Yamashita Shingo. However I was half right; Ishihama was the director for the second ED of Shin Sekai Yori, the one based on Hanazawa Kana's insert song. Probably some cross-fertilization there I suspect. I don't recall that second ED as well as I remember the remarkable "Wareta Ringo" from that show. I was disappointed when they replaced it with Kanazawa's "Yuki ni Saku Hana."
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Old 2016-02-25, 22:50   Link #831
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"Am I in the way here?" "Yeah" lmao, I had to pause it at that moment I was laughing so hard, excellent comedic timing to break the mood some

Good episode, it revealed a lot without actually revealing much. I believe the killer kills each person in a different way, thus masking himself since most serial killers are identified by trademarks so either he was throwing in the towel or planning on burning the bus down with the grill in the box. That said great drama and emotion once again, I will be sad the day the series ends, I'm enjoying it far to much

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Old 2016-02-25, 22:52   Link #832
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The only issue I have with that is my concern with what the law indicates in this type of situation. Kayo's mom is also her legal guardian. If Sachiko takes Kayo away without Kayo's mom's permission, then it would be considered kidnapping. That could end up being really messy. Then again, I don't know what Japan's law is concerning this.

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While I do agree that he does not want the police involved for one reason or another, the reason he probably knows that Satoru's is involved is because he has been in contact with Sachiko. Sachiko figured out that her son has been helping Kayo, so it is very likely that she could have hinted that to Yashiro-sensei. It was when Sachiko called Yashiro as soon as Kayo arrived is the hint that they have been talking.

Of course, at this point, there is such a fine line between the teacher being truly caring and thoughtful, or he is very calculating in order to gather information to plot his next move.

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I think it was more concerning the toxicity of inhaling the charcoal. If it was being burnt, it releases carbon monoxide. Also, with black dust from the coal, there is potential to develop black lung disease over prolong exposure. In that instant, it showed Satoru thinking of the fumes gathering around Kayo while she was sleeping. Satoru is just upset that he exposed Kayo to such dangers.

The only other relevance would be when Airi's house was burning, as this could have been used to start a fire.
Thanks for the explanation. It certainly would make sense that someone as careful as this would hedge his bets as much as possible, such as by trying to use carbon monoxide as a backup.

Someone previously mentioned that the law in 80s Japan leaned quite strongly in favor of the birth parent, to the point where there were even cases where a parent known to have abused their child was allowed to take their child back simply because they demanded it. At least I think that's what they said. In any case, an adult keeping a child against the will of her parent would certainly be kidnapping.
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Old 2016-02-26, 00:42   Link #833
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I don't buy that Yashiro-sensei could be the sole culprit anymore. He might be the original culprit, or he might be Nishizono in the future, but either of those would be quite a leap, and him being both a huge stretch. It seems more like there's two culprits. The psycho guy X who is abducting children, and Nishizono who is cleaning up after him and setting other people up for his crimes. For some reason, it'd be really bad for him if the real original culprit was caught.

Yep this is my hunch too.

The time where Sachiko Fujinuma saw a man abducting the girl with the icecream, that man had blondish hair, the same as Kenya. This is when Satoru is is also an adult.

The man who killed Sachiko later had black hair like Yashiro.
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Old 2016-02-26, 00:45   Link #834
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all these posts and nothing about Sachiko in the bath? guys, i am disappoint.

a few things of note this episode:
how terrifying was it that the killer was IN THE BUS TOO. my jaw dropped when the contents of the bag fell out.

i wonder what the ramifications of Satoru running by Aya are.

that breakfast part was very well done.
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Old 2016-02-26, 00:54   Link #835
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While I do agree that he does not want the police involved for one reason or another, the reason he probably knows that Satoru's is involved is because he has been in contact with Sachiko. Sachiko figured out that her son has been helping Kayo, so it is very likely that she could have hinted that to Yashiro-sensei. It was when Sachiko called Yashiro as soon as Kayo arrived is the hint that they have been talking.

Of course, at this point, there is such a fine line between the teacher being truly caring and thoughtful, or he is very calculating in order to gather information to plot his next move.
Yeah since Sachiko respected Satoru's privacy she never knew about Kayo's location, with Sachiko inadvertently revealing that Satoru was hiding Kayo to Yashiro, he had to be very careful about his next moves and perhaps devise for new patsies to be in place.


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all these posts and nothing about Sachiko in the bath? guys, i am disappoint.

a few things of note this episode:
how terrifying was it that the killer was IN THE BUS TOO. my jaw dropped when the contents of the bag fell out.

i wonder what the ramifications of Satoru running by Aya are.

that breakfast part was very well done.

Are you kidding me, I was watching the side boob intently. Sachiko is such a babe. Amazing mother would be hawt waifu.

With the suspicions around Yashiro.. and him asking to meet Sachiko at 7:00 somewhere.. this is no good for next episode.

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Old 2016-02-26, 01:03   Link #836
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One thing I've noticed after all these episodes is that the pacing of the story and the transition between comedy and drama has always been done properly since the start. It's never jarring and masterfully done, though I don't know if it's due to the source material, the competency of the anime staff, or both.

I haven't seen any series in years that I would've recommended as a first time watch to hook people into anime, this series is that good, at least for me.

As for the episode itself, Kayo crying over breakfast has got to be one of the best moments in anime this decade.

I've even stopped trying to predict who the killer is. I'm just enjoying the ride.
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Old 2016-02-26, 01:16   Link #837
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I've re-watched these scenes, and I think I can make sense of it. It looks like Yashiro called someone who knew the rules on child custody, and he probably asked for information on how Sachiko can take temporary custody. That also explains why Sachiko is meeting with Kayo's mom in the early morning, to probably inform her that. They are probably all meeting at Kayo's place at 7:00.

Still, I'm expecting doom and gloom next episode. We've gone too many episodes without something bad happening, so it is very much due.
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Old 2016-02-26, 01:23   Link #838
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I've re-watched these scenes, and I think I can make sense of it. It looks like Yashiro called someone who knew the rules on child custody, and he probably asked for information on how Sachiko can take temporary custody. That also explains why Sachiko is meeting with Kayo's mom in the early morning, to probably inform her that. They are probably all meeting at Kayo's place at 7:00.

Still, I'm expecting doom and gloom next episode. We've gone too many episodes without something bad happening, so it is very much due.
Yep... anime thrillers like these often rack up plenty of casualties..

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Finally, I almost wonder if perhaps Satoru and company should have destroyed or taken some of the more important parts of the "murder kit" in the bus- i.e. the mask, duct tape, spray bottle, charcoal etc. It wouldn't stop him for any more than one night, most likely, but knowing how this series works, that one night might be the difference.... Or it could even slow him for longer as it would indicate that someone knows what he's up to and make him hesitate. Then again, it by the same note, it could do nothing.
You know what, Satoru, knowing what he knows, he could take some of this evidence and make it into a cold case for the future. Hide it somewhere, list details, ensure he has some genetic material to identify the killer back in present time.

Imagine if Satoru rocked up to class wearing the balaclava..
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Old 2016-02-26, 02:46   Link #839
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Sachiko is an awesome mom, so supportive of her son. I LOL at her getting in between and asking if she is in the way.
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Old 2016-02-26, 08:19   Link #840
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The time where Sachiko Fujinuma saw a man abducting the girl with the icecream, that man had blondish hair, the same as Kenya. This is when Satoru is is also an adult.
I just looked back at episode one and honestly must disagree. The abductor's hair is clearly black. It wasn't even slightly blonde.
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