2011-07-01, 02:15 | Link #3206 |
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Yeah, but when you say "it's the way people are", you excuse arrogance and rudeness by saying they're universal when, patently, they're not. A lot of people can, in fact, refrain from annoying others with "what's important to them", because they know damn well "important to them" doesn't mean "important to everyone around them".
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2011-07-01, 03:41 | Link #3209 | |
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Freedom of speech means that you can talk to the world using mass media or by organizing sit in parades and what not. There's a lot of people that would like gay pride parades to be forbidden and a ban to the spreading og LGBT idealogies, but they need to suck it up. However if you accept this you must also accept that people will do similar things to spread their religious ideologies. P.S: I'm an atheist
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2011-07-01, 07:05 | Link #3210 | |
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The world's largest religion, Christianity, is only so because it has a heavy drive to "spread the word" that has existed since it's inception, and while much of christianity's success was because of conversion from the state downwards, the reason these states converted in the first place was because the churches sent missionaries specifically to powerful figures to convert them. Consider Korea. Now 30% of it's population is Christian, all converted in a span of 60 years. That could never have happened were it not for the work of Missionaries. Evangelization works, but it doesn't work when it comes to people who are set in their views (like most of the people commenting on this thread). Islam, of course, is the other large religion. Of course it was never really directly prosletized, but as a religion it was still spread by it's followers. Likewise Buddhism only exists as it does today because Buddhists proselityze and look for adherents. In contrast, more indigenous religions, say Hinduism, Chinese Folk Religion, or even Judaism have almost no presence outside their home countries and diaspora. |
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2011-07-01, 15:18 | Link #3211 |
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Probably the largest source of conversion comes from what essentially amounts to bribery... "charity" missions and shelters take in poor, desperate people and convert them in exchange for a hot meal and a warm bed.
Pretty shady stuff if you ask me, especially in the Bible Belt states, where nearly all charitable shelters and food banks are heavily faith-based. When I was in trouble during the 2008 economic crash, I ended up living in the storage room of my friend's coffee shop for three months, cleaning the store and running errands in exchange for a small amount of money to buy food, because none of the shelters would accept a lesbian atheist who wanted nothing to do with their faith. It's not charity, it's bribery. Convert to our religion, worship our sky fairy, pretend to be someone you aren't... or starve on the streets. Coercion at its finest. If they were truly concerned with helping people, they would not have refused to help me based on my sexual orientation, gender identity and lack of adherence to their faith.
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2011-07-01, 15:30 | Link #3212 | |
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2011-07-01, 15:40 | Link #3213 | |
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In San Francisco, a church called Glide helps loads of LGBT youth and young adults who are in tight spots, and they're highly recommended by all the LGBT groups and activist organizations in the area. I was there for one day, and I was so impressed with their attitude that I actually donated to their charity after I got back on my feet. Not all religious charities play this game. Not in California, anyway--though I'm sure there are some evangelical organizations here that do. However, it's very commonly played in the South, especially among known corrupt organizations like the Salvation Army.
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2011-07-01, 16:08 | Link #3214 | |
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2011-07-01, 16:24 | Link #3215 | |
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2011-07-01, 16:39 | Link #3217 | |
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I think that it's never been stressed enough how much Samaritans were hated by jews at the time. To really understand how much provocative was this parable to the people Jesus was talking to you'd need to imagine that the priest and the cleric are a priest and a cleric of your own christian faith and that the samaritan is a muslim.
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2011-07-01, 18:25 | Link #3220 |
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Spoiler for bordering on a debate:
I think people need to start seeing each other as what they are, not by what religion is behind them or the lack thereof, and generalizing them that way. The fact is that there are good people in every faith. I've heard though that atheists outside of Europe still have to hide their atheism, even in the USA, so I understand if some people are bitter towards religion and have the need to vent this somewhere like the internet.
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