2013-07-09, 17:08 | Link #8061 | |
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I don't disagree with Lelouch that much. I might find the whole ZR plan flawed to the point of being blissfully retarded in its supposed result (peace, after all that, with these people left alive and in charge, seriously), but I don't doubt Lelouch, besides doing something nice in the end, may indeed have wanted to die for his own reasons, an acceptable outcome after all the things he's done. I'm also pretty aware that there was no way the other characters would punish themselves for anything, such as they are. That doesn't make it any better really. Of course, if Lelouch faked the whole thing, that would be another matter. You seem to believe otherwise, so I guess we can't really do much about it.
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Another thing, Tokyo Settlement destruction <<<<<<<< Mt. Fuji destruction. Quote:
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Lelouch could have also achieved world peace without Suzaku's interference at key moments: keeping Nunnally in Britannia's grip, ready to be used against him as a pawn, the 2nd fight over Tokyo where he refused to back down even though he knew he was outclassed, resulting in FLEIJA going off. Cornelia was WORSE than Lelouch ever was during the rebellion, and had been at it for much longer. She razed a ghetto of innocents for pete's sake. Never really atoned or repented for her barbaric racism. Just read a plausible fanfic scene where a Saitama refugee encounters her in the infirmary where she is recovering from Schneizel's bullets, and threatens to kill her as payback for her family. |
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2013-07-10, 02:18 | Link #8064 |
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I don't recall Cornelia being in any kind of predicament, not sure since it's been ages. As for Schneizel, Schneizel was who he was, no trying to justify everything depending on the side he's in (his viewpoint was what it was till the end), no heel face turn. And indeed, he did get the short end of the stick. The people left in charge aren't any better. Nunnaly aside, I consider them worse than Schneizel. I wouldn't have pardoned Schneizel, but I'd certainly have given him a better end, although I'm pretty sure some people might have seen the whole thing as allowing Schneizel to live. Cornelia, Ohgi, Viletta, the black knights, the britannian knights... Most don't deserve what they got. They showed no sign of remorse, they paid for nothing and just reap the benefits of ZR when they, too, were part of the problem.
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2013-07-10, 02:26 | Link #8065 | |
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2013-07-10, 02:42 | Link #8066 | |
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Most of the survivors are misguided at best but still good people at the end of the day. Other than Schneizel, who was forcefully redeemed in practice, I don't sincerely think anyone else is truly irredeemable. No, not even the two surviving characters I really happen to dislike (guess who!) are necessarily forever irredeemable despite their selfishness. Plus I find the idea that the bad guys "won" quite preposterous, and not applicable, on multiple levels. Quote:
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The other examples -and others I've left unsaid- still continue to apply. But I will admit Lelouch seems to have miscalculated about that last part. Quote:
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In the end Lelouch wasn't quite that far gone, since that's more Schneizel's logic in truth, but it seems he did see himself as already too tainted by blood to suddenly turn back to the light. Instead, he adds more blood and more hate to his list of sins. What you propose is more reasonable, sure, but for Lelouch living on to enjoy the world would be running away from his own twisted sense of ethics. He wouldn't say "I did a lot of horrible things, but if I clean my name and help rebuild the world it'll all be fine!" Quote:
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2013-07-12, 19:26 | Link #8068 | |
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all name allied >>> in prison or MIA>>> all soldiers= with mask so people can only hate Lelouch ( after he been killed == no one will want to kill them for helping Lelouch since they are no longer on his side) |
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Now granted, he was no saint, but at the very least he was looking out for the long term, which is more than can be said for most other characters. Quote:
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2013-07-14, 01:11 | Link #8070 |
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Despite the fact that the Britannian uniforms are mostly fictional, but what real-world uniform style would Britannia uniforms most resemble?
I ask because the uniforms to me show a complex mix of British, Prussian, French, and some other styles I can't put my tongue on. |
2013-08-02, 04:30 | Link #8071 | |
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2013-08-05, 06:32 | Link #8072 | |
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2013-08-05, 19:33 | Link #8073 |
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Well, that is the dark part of the show! Code Geass is good at potraiting our real world: The elder trying to harvest as much as possible, while the youth feel useless. But the anime never giving a solution, instead going with the "masked anti-hero" route.
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2013-08-07, 16:45 | Link #8074 | |
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Lelouch's original end-game prior to the betrayal was much more ideal. |
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2013-08-12, 11:51 | Link #8078 |
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Perhaps he is speaking about "Art Roman" an art style going from the XI century up to the second half of the XII century. I think it's called "Romanesque art" in English. But that has nothing to do with clothing
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2013-08-12, 16:23 | Link #8079 |
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@Miles: You got that partly right! And Kaiser, both.
Anyway, now remember it, while Britannia might be Napoleon's enemy, I noticed there are similarities between them. Both are semi-feudal countries (the reason why I don't use the term "Constitutional Mornachy" is because the Emperors still has major part of power) and a "feat of arm" society. |
2013-08-13, 00:09 | Link #8080 | |
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in my opinion, the Holy Britannian Empire seems to ironically share many similarities with Imperial Japan. Though Imperial Japan was technically a constitutional monarchy since it had a constitution that laid out the structure of the government and the Emperor's role, it acted like an absolute monarchy many times. according to the Meiji Constitution, all of the Parliament's powers were derived by the supreme authority of the Emperor, the Prime Minister and his Cabinet was mostly independent of the Parliament, and the Armed forces were solely devoted to the Emperor's authority. |
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