2012-12-14, 16:44 | Link #501 | |
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2012-12-14, 16:55 | Link #503 |
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You don't need both. That doesn't mean you can't have both. Sometimes it's easier to use one method over the other. If you have the choice of both, you can use either one depending on your preference for the particular activity you're trying to accomplish.
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2012-12-14, 16:58 | Link #504 | |
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2012-12-15, 04:31 | Link #505 | |
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(For reference, BTW, I believe that there are programs that add this capability to OS X. I'm not surprised as for me it's one of those "how did I live without this?" kind of features. Metro allows an 80/20 split between two apps, which strikes me as great for those who want to, say, have a IM client open while browsing, but isn't so useful for someone like me. At least on it's own. One can actually have the desktop and a Metro app open in an 80/20 split in Windows 8, which actually strikes me as pretty cool since I could do a 40/40/20 split between two desktop apps and a metro app.
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2012-12-15, 08:00 | Link #506 |
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@Ledgem you're arguing that it's okey to completely screw over everything just because you're ignorant of their uses and hence believe A is interchangeable by B, because you only want to see it from your "use cases" and theorize that clearly everything else is either nonexistent or derived from your use case. And then postulate that this whole new interface, presentation and interaction methods, "is good" because nobody has found "wrongs" in it, while placing this very convenient rule that "any exception to it not being good is simply because it's new". Now I'm pretty sure that's a self-proving, self-defending argument, ie. complete nonsense.
While on the subject, how exactly do you expect us to prove to you it's useful inside the confines of your use case of it; as if all use cases are somehow equivalent (in the sense of producing one from another). This is like proving some advanced physics to you, while at the same time having you remain in your comfort zero-experience zone, it's just not something that's going to happen. It's more practical for you to prove to us how "touch and related touch-oriented-inerfaces are a justified replacement of [all] current practices." And as I see it, they aren't.
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2012-12-15, 10:09 | Link #507 | |
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Sorry felix, I stopped reading your post here because that's not what I'm arguing at all. What I have been saying this entire time is that people should not be so quick to trash one interface simply because our computing paradigm, everything from user interfaces to physical computer setups, has been based around a different style of user input. I know my posts can get lengthy, but I think this point has been pretty clear. I have tried to end every single post with it. This is about keeping on open mind to what touch-based input and tablet computing can provide, not about one interface replacing another. Windows 8 and the Surface takes this a step further by allowing for both types of input (touch and keyboard+mouse) and both interfaces (Metro and classic). It seems Microsoft's major failure with Windows 8 was making Metro the default interface for non-tablet devices, with no way to disable it or make it the secondary interface.
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2012-12-15, 15:38 | Link #508 |
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Actually, that was Windows 8's only real failing--though I am a bit annoyed they took out Aero Glass. I quite like it, especially with UXStyleCore so I can tweak the hell out of it.
When installed on a device without a touchscreen (and the OS can detect this quite easily) Windows 8 should default to the desktop mode and it should also replace the horizontally-oriented (better for touch input) Start Page with the vertically-oriented (better for mouse input) Start Menu. This would make devices like the Asus Transformer absolutely amazing. An x86 Windows tablet that docks into a keyboard and touchpad combo. Normally, when not docked to the keyboard, it would display the touch-friendly Metro UI, but when docked, it would automatically revert to the classic Desktop UI and give you a mouse cursor. I'd pay good money for a device like that. It'd fill both my laptop (content creating) and tablet (content consuming) needs. I could dock it to the keyboard to type up papers, write code, compile programs, draft lab reports for school--and then un-dock it to surf the web or watch a video on the couch.
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2012-12-15, 17:04 | Link #509 | |||
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Maybe they are still thinking kb/m even in Metro apps, but I doubt this. Keyboard/mouse is simply a more efficient input method for most tasks that we do on computers. Quote:
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2012-12-16, 19:21 | Link #516 |
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I have several and know how to use them. And some books on ancient engineering, trig/log tables, etc. for after the apocalypse.
I've got a 'guest' computer that sits in the guest bedroom, maybe I'll throw win8 on that and see what happens o.O
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2012-12-16, 20:19 | Link #517 |
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Oh well. I'll just keep using Windows 7 until there are enough hacks and mods to rip the touch nonsense out of Windows 8.
Or Valve convinces the gaming industry to pay attention to Linux (small chance, but I'm hoping). If that happens I'll get rid of Windows forever and live happily on Linux Mint.
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2012-12-21, 00:19 | Link #518 |
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It's the break we're looking for isn't it? The hardcore mofos will be rockin Linux while the casuals will be blissfully ignorant with their point and touchy finger screens. I say death to lipids on my pretty color rectangle.
I've actually only used Redhat, holy crap that thing was slow. Stupid behind the times school.
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2012-12-22, 15:41 | Link #519 |
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The only nonsense is people who pretend to be tech savvy perpetuating some warped dimensional reality field that you need to use touch with Windows 8.
In other news, I would strongly recommend NOT using the Reset feature built into 8. Reformatting and re-installing a clean install of 8 takes like 10 minutes. Resetting my second desktop took 6 hours. On a practical level, both methods achieve the same thing.
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2012-12-22, 19:55 | Link #520 | |
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I don't want the Start Screen. I don't want full-screen only apps. I want vertically-arranged context menus that take advantage of the input device I use--a mouse with a scroll-wheel.
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