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Perfect 10 | 27 | 42.86% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 22 | 34.92% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 11 | 17.46% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 0 | 0% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 3.17% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 1.59% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2011-10-22, 20:17 | Link #161 | |
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2011-10-22, 20:29 | Link #163 | |
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Do you really think that a person in a heavily drugged state of mind can truly consent to having sex with someone? And if she's not truly consenting to it, then what is it if not "real" rape? If you think that a person in a heavily drugged state of mind can truly consent to having sex with someone, then I have to very strongly disagree with you. Ringo wasn't truly accepting this sexual encounter at all, just hinting at the idea that she might be open to consensual sex under certain (and different) circumstances.
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2011-10-22, 20:35 | Link #164 | |
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yuri is one hundred percent to blame for what happened, even if she didn't go through with it. i'm confused why there's any justification of yuri's actions. it was f*cked up when ringo tried to do that with tabuki and even more f*cked when yuri tried it, because she's an ADULT.
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2011-10-22, 20:36 | Link #165 | |
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I'm not really amused by what' I'm reading here =_= Where are those "answers" coming from? Was there an early broadcasting of future episodes I wasn't aware of?
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2011-10-22, 20:46 | Link #166 | |
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Ringo drugged Tabuki and was all over him, and everybody here called it rape. Why is this case any different? |
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2011-10-22, 20:59 | Link #167 |
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For the last few posts on this thread thank you thank you! I was beginning to lose hope here about the response about this whole rape issue.
And here is another website on date rape drugs. It seems some people do not understand how they affect both the body & mind of the victim (Yuri certainly would not need a sedative to stop Ringo from struggling, the drug is enough). You also don't have to be completely asleep to be drugged which is another thing I think people are assuming. I am just happy & thankful that Yuri did not go through with it.
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2011-10-22, 21:02 | Link #168 |
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This series is full of taboo topics...
I agree with those, who states Yuri was about to rape Ringo. She was influence by a drug, strong or weak dose, doesn't matter. DO NOT, want to meet anyone, who agreed that Ringo actually give Yuri consent at any future parties.
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2011-10-22, 21:45 | Link #170 | ||
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If a person is aware enough to still know that they are having sex (with all it's implications/associations, that is--pregnancy, social/emotional/inter-relational significance, etc.), then I think they are capable of giving (or refusing) consent. If all they can think of is "that feels nice" or "there's something moving in and out of my vagina", then I agree that consent is not possible and the instigator would be perpetrating rape. Beyond that, if there is any element of resisting the effect of the drug at all, then I would agree that it would be rape. However, in this case, Ringo showed that she was still capable of even coherently communicating and assigning blame. That's why I can't think of the situation as if Ringo was being completely forced, or as if she had completely lost control of her mind and body. Quote:
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2011-10-22, 22:01 | Link #171 | |
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2011-10-22, 22:08 | Link #172 | |
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Besides, its entirely possible the drug Yuri gave her was part aphrodisiac, which would make it even easier for Yuri to take advantage of Ringo. Essentially dull all her senses except her sex drive. Yuri's intent was to sexually take advantage of Ringo, which to me, counts as rape, regardless of the process it's done. |
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2011-10-22, 22:11 | Link #175 |
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No, that's only the case if the person is not emotionally averse to having sex with someone they aren't romantically committed to. Had Tabuki willingly fucked Ringo only to find out she wasn't Yuri, maybe he might've been emotionally harmed after all. However, in general I do have much higher standards for what would count as rape against men than against women.
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2011-10-22, 22:12 | Link #176 |
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Sometimes I wonder if I too conservative on this subject or if people have read to many rape doujins.
To be fair one of the most time honored and therefore acceptable forms of rapes, though we don't call it that usually, is plying a woman with alcohol till her judgement is too impaired to stop the advances. Alcohol destroys the ability of the mind to think on a higher level, to comprehend consequences or implications, and you loose you inhibitions. A person just reacts more out of subconscious habit that conscious recognition of a situation. Now this is something that has come to be socially acceptable in many cultures so we don't think much to question it on the moral side. Some people have probably blended that issue with this one and therefore are inclined to want to excuse Yuri actions because of that. I generally think both are reprehensible but that just little ole me.
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2011-10-22, 22:14 | Link #177 |
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Yes perhaps we are all taking a fictional story too seriously but the thing is fiction sometimes mirrors the real world. Yuri & Ringo are not real but rape certainly is and should not be taken lightly. I personally don't find anything hot or cute about rape, even fictional rape.
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2011-10-22, 22:18 | Link #178 | |
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@SolF: I have experienced both totally losing control, and having a black out, doing things that I felt the least guilty and none (including myself) expected from me... but it was my fault for getting into that mess, trusting the wrong people, and failing to judge like an mature person would. I did not blame everyone else. This is the case for people that can realize and accept their mistakes when they lose control. Anyway, rape is very serious issue, which witch-hunters succeeded to turn into a joke by giving a ton of legal footing to defense lawyers. Most cases of rape can not even be persecuted because of idiotic B&W classifications like the ones I read here. Recently there was this report published in BBC about a girl practically being pimped by her boyfriend, but her case had no legal basis because she was consenting, and now she is just a shadow of a person. Do you know how many abuse (not just rape cases) can never fit in those narrow definition you are giving? Finally, understand the difference between blaming the perputrator, empathizing with the victim and giving advise about how to avoid a situation... I would never tell my kid this is how rape is defined and magically a cop would arrest the jerk and save it... I rather tell him/her what to watch out for and to be responsible for her own choices for his/her own good. |
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2011-10-22, 22:19 | Link #179 |
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Holy shit. Are you guys really arguing over whether forcing someone into sex without their consensual consent is not rape? This debate is worse than the Kyubei flamewar!
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2011-10-22, 22:21 | Link #180 |
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Coercing another person into sex without their consent is rape - period. Ringo was about to rape Tabuki, Yuri was about to rape Ringo. I don't care to parse definitions for convenience when it comes to sexual assault.
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