2014-01-24, 11:06 | Link #4781 |
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there's nothing wrong with wingers (see bayern munich) but people who play there have to be comfortable bringing the ball into the middle AND your fullbacks have to be able to make overlapping runs to swing in crosses. for best results, look at Real, Barca, and Arsenal.
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2014-01-24, 11:41 | Link #4782 |
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I actually think wingers are still incredibly important. Think about it in terms of space utilization; you're missing out on a large part of the field if you don't have *real* wingers. Unfortunately in todays day and age, you can't just play on the wings; if you're a winger you MUST be scoring goals, and unfortunately neither valencia nor nani provide that. I said earlier that a 4-2-3-1 for manu, because all of a sudden, playing that formation, you suddenly have a really strong team. Now that the deal is done, I'm interested to see if thats the direction they go, and if theyll be able to adapt.
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2014-01-27, 11:42 | Link #4785 |
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I disagree.
A winger's first job is first and foremost to make the opponent's defense spread wide, in order to create space for both the forwards and other midfielders to sneak in. Second job is to provide assists. Goals are absolutely not a must. Look at Lichsteiner, he's one hell of a winger, his best contribute comes from being able to do these sort of things rather than being devoted to scoring. |
2014-01-27, 15:09 | Link #4786 | |
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2014-01-27, 22:00 | Link #4788 |
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probably a bit late to the party, but after reading some of the earlier posts, and watching some old brazil soccer clips, I almost wish Man U can play something like 4-2-2-2....imagine rvp and rooney get supported by both mata and kagawa...but too bad the only manager that could actually give it a try is on the other side of manchester
But seriously, like many others have said it in here, Moyes have to try new tactics, otherwise it's just a waste of money (and quite a waste)
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2014-01-28, 02:24 | Link #4790 |
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Mata is a support striker, if you're going to use him on the wings it has to be in a 4-3-3 setup as one of the forwards on either left or right side. I guess he could be used in a 4-2-3-1 setup as well but that'd be really risky, since the three players behind the lone striker are supposed to provide cover as well when defending, and Mata's more of a striker than a trequartista like Kagawa.
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2014-01-28, 06:37 | Link #4791 | |
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2014-01-28, 10:01 | Link #4792 |
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To be able to do what you describe you need the two players on the wings not to be support-strikers but real wingers/midfielders who are simply offense-minded. That's not Mata's profile at all.
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2014-01-28, 11:18 | Link #4793 |
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It will be interesting to see how Moyes gonna use Mata. As the way i see it, they will need a drastic change in their football philosophy to fit Mata in.
Unless he is not a first team players, but rather an impact sub/luxury players to ultilise against certain opponent defense
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2014-01-28, 12:17 | Link #4794 |
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The easiest model to copy for Moyes would be the defensive unit of Atlético based on a narrow 4-4-2 but players like Mata or Kagawa don't fit in there. He might simply revert to a Everton like 4-2-3-1.
A real 4-3-3 with single defensive midfielder and 2 center halves could accommodate all the creative players but realistically only Rogers fields teams like that in the EPL. United's defense probably can't handle a high line nor the passing game. |
2014-01-28, 12:21 | Link #4795 | |
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When one thinks that the other targets we missed/are still looking about are Spanish or German, I think we have a clearer indication of what the club is looking for a transformation. It's just that I wish Moyes didn't give current players 6 entire months of hurt to show their limitations before the club decides to react the way they should have done before. |
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2014-01-30, 00:27 | Link #4797 | |
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united need a new holding midfield, carrick and fletcher are getting old, Fellaini is not doing good, how about Axel Witsel, Vidal, or maybe Toni Kroos
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2014-01-30, 07:19 | Link #4798 | |
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The only chance to see Vidal in a different team would only come through a majestic offer, and even then I still doubt we'd sell him. Conte is going to renew is contract as well so it's highly unlikely that he'll let his best midfielder go, he's part of his project. The only midfielder that might be leaving this summer is Pogba, but it's more because of his agent Mino Raiola who's quite the puppeteer when it comes to pulling the strings and transfering players around Europe. |
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2014-02-01, 13:33 | Link #4799 | |
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After today's result, here's what a fellow United fan wrote about David Moyes
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I really have my blood boiling today. Last edited by KiraYamatoFan; 2014-02-01 at 14:04. |
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