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In other words, we're probably about as close to be able to pin down the DNAs responsible for human intelligence as we are to making a functional matter/anti-matter reactor. |
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2012-11-14, 12:14 | Link #3222 | |
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2012-11-14, 12:17 | Link #3223 | |
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When comparing, it makes more sense to present data for both sides, won't you agree? Here is a better collection of data (without too much opinion) that can give you a complete picture of what's taking place. You might need a pen and a piece of paper two jot down the numbers for those two states cause the data analyzes all 50 states. California is doing pretty well and would actually fare much better than Texas if it becomes its own country. Texas' honeymoon may last five years at most before people starts their mass exodus???? Also, a copy/paste from your previous article posted about seceding... I underlined the important part States whose active petitions have not yet reached the 25,000 signature threshold includeTexas will get over it.
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2012-11-14, 12:18 | Link #3224 | ||
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Like I said, this is all saber-rattling, but it is interesting to see how many people will sign it. Speaking of BamBam. Obama to open talks with $1.6 trillion plan to raise taxes on corporations, wealthy http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...02a_story.html "Progressivism" in action: Hooray! Bankrupt California Is Now a One-Party State! http://reason.com/blog/2012/11/13/ho...a-is-now-a-one Quote:
Perhaps I need to read it in more detail, but considering Texas has no state income tax because it doesn't need it, and California's taxes are astronomical in comparison, it is clear that the California model doesn't work if it also requires more federal aid than Texas. If Texas were to actually secede (which I highly doubt) they wouldn't be anywhere near in the dire condition that California would be in if it were able to secede. Honestly, I don't see anything in the FAS report that would support the idea that Texas takes more aid, or is somehow inferior to California economically. In fact, the quick skim I did of it seems to indicate the opposite, but then again maybe I'll go back and give it a better look if I have time today.
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2012-11-14, 12:24 | Link #3225 | |
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2012-11-14, 12:25 | Link #3226 | |
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And the secession talk is equally nonsense. If people aren't happy with the results of a free and democratic election, they are welcome to head to one of the many countries were citizens are killed for having any opinion that isn't beaten into them....usually literally. Mandate? Yeah, when you barely keep your majority in the House, become even more of a minority in the Senate, and the President wins by a comfortable margin among all voters except old white people....yeah, it's a mandate. I'm not saying these people shouldn't be taken seriously (somewhat), but it's incredibly sad to see how deep the poison has run among the conservative movement and politics in general. Quite frankly, I'm just as tired of hearing conservatives freak out about every communist or terrorist around the corner as I am about liberals overusing the terms "middle class" and "small business". If this was a drinking game, I'd need an artificial liver just to keep up. Just look at that picture posted above. It's a cycle of irrational hatred that does nothing but undermine everything better people bled and died for. What we really need right now, politically, is a huge push for fresh ideas. If the best we got is yet another clash over Friedman, Smith, Marx, and Rand....we're doomed. There's too much stagnation.
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2012-11-14, 12:27 | Link #3227 |
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One thing that would have been nice to change would be Nancy Pelosi. Couldn't they have swapped her out for someone else?
California has a lot of international business, plus Hollywood. Plus a lot of agriculture. If it broke away, there would need to be a few trade treaties done for the rest of the country or the new other countries, but all in all the State would last on its own. Though the Democratic government here might actually be forced to cancel a huge number of their random programs in order to keep the State's infrustructure intact without Federal funding. Plus they can up there own income tax since the citizens won't be paying Federal income taxes anymore. We already have nearly 10% sales tax in some counties.
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Kudos. We need to transcend (not in the religious way) the current paradigm of political thought and move on to something entirely new.
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Don¡t forget about the gerrymandering.
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Additionally we need more representatives. The population has grown a lot, but we haven't changed the representative numbers in a very long time. We're overdue.
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2012-11-14, 13:04 | Link #3237 | |
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I say we as developed western nations admit that post-war social security spending, tax cuts and other such programs have caused the baby-boomers and the echo-boom to place too much of a burden on the new upcoming generations. As such, we should all vote to default on social security and other unsecured obligations. Yay! Reply hazy, ask again later |
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2012-11-14, 13:33 | Link #3238 | |
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Like, "don't tell blatant lies"? Or at least, politically punish people who simply make things up? This used to happen you know, when politicians try to hide their dishonesty because they were afraid of being caught. Now of course, to tell lies is just another tool. The assumption is that people who won't vote for you are the only people who would notice you are lying, so why not lie to the people who would fall for it?
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2012-11-14, 13:59 | Link #3239 | |
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If we follow the example from the past, we've got about 4-5 months before any actual secession takes place. . |
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