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com_gwp · 2012-02-10, 19:04

^Why do I have the complete opposite view of you.

12 was the lowest point of the entire series for me, ending what was an extremely underwhelming first cour. I hoestly think that the show has been getting more and more fun to watch since the start of the 2nd cour, with s*** hitting the fan every single episode up till now. The cast shifting character, and the autocratic little empire Shu's built himself is a lot more interesting to watch compared to the freedom fight of the first cour. Doesn't hurt that I like post-apocalyptic and lockdown settings. Sure, the plot holes and jumps in logic still remain, but its being directed in a gloriously enjoyable trainwreck.

(Clone Gai haha. Although I was calling him to somehow comeback into the series by the end)

Edit: Hey, that end card, is that the Durarara/Yozakura Quartet artist? Faces sure looks like his style.

Flawfinder · 2012-02-10, 19:13

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Originally Posted by Manic

yeah the shows been on a steady decline since ep 12. Characters how no rhyme or reason, its just all chaos.

It wasn't that way before?

Anyways, I have my own theories on the "government" established by the school. Honestly, I wish the entire anime was built around this, as that would have been much more interesting. Is it flawed? Yes, but these are kids we're talking about. Episode 15 did point out that it's how you use the voids (which is weird, considering that when he's holding a void, Shu gets incredibly adept at using it for some reason), but you got to establish a hierarchy somehow.

The one problem I have (besides the fact that it's surprisingly boring) is that it happened way too fast. While Shu's change is only slightly unbelievable for me, I can't believe these students (where are the teachers) can do all this crap in only a few days. Lelouch had an entire government and weeks/months when he took over. Shu? How is he so smart all of a sudden?

And again, why is a government ruled by voids a bad thing? It's not like those things break all that easily, especially compared to the human body. And of course, why do the void rules keep changing? But that's unrelated.

Edit: Something I noticed is that the general anime community seems to think this episode was pretty good. The bloggers? Not so much.

Makall · 2012-02-10, 21:19

Is anyone else glad that this Argo fellow got what he deserved?

He always looked down on Shu and stepped all over him like the bully he was. In a case like this, the cover is very representative of the book. If he looks like a thug bully, walks like a thug bully and talks like a thug bully, then he must be a thug bully.

When Shu first joined their group, Argo was such a jackass towards Shu because Shu didn't worship the ground that Gai walked on and licked his boots like Argo does.

Now because Shu wanted to save his fellow schoolmates and take leadership into his own hands, Argo yet again has to act like a condescending asshole towards Shu. Gai wanted to be like Shu, not the other way around.

Saying stuff like "He's just a Shu, how dare he try to act like a leader!?". Classic bully talk when the bullied has surpassed them. Or "You're just Shu, you don't get to order me around!" shows that Argo never even considered Shu a comrade (implying that he's weak and will always be weak).

Well Argo, a single cell in Shu's body has more worth than all of your fodder buddies combined. Has he forgotten that in all their operations, Shu does like 90% of the work? Without Shu, they were bound for failure. Yet how does he keep getting away with all this disrespect towards him?

It's funny cause Argo stood out as the classic thug-like bully in the group. The big fat guy is pretty non-chalant about everything. Ayase's a bitch of course but she's in a wheelchair so the pent up stress must have accumulated.

Argo's worship of Gai is almost cult-like in a way. Gai's #1 fanboy (Ayase #1 fangirl).

Flawfinder · 2012-02-10, 21:38

I barely remember Argo. He was so minor a character and did so little that I could care less what he did in this episode (beyond his role as outsider looking at current school situation). That serial killer (who I notice has never been important since he got introduced) was more memorable.

Cosmic Eagle · 2012-02-10, 22:03

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Originally Posted by Triple_R

4. I think that the scene where Shu denies Souta the needed oxygen tank is not to display the Void ranking system in action, per se, but rather to show how Shu has become a bit of a vindictive bastard.

If it was anybody other than Souta down there, I think Shu would have allowed the oxygen tank to be used.

Why do I think that? Because none of Shu's immediate entourage (most notably his two Secret Service girls, including one who even idolizes him) took action to stop Argo there, and only Yahiro bothered to even verbally defend Shu. That tells me that even they couldn't pretend that Shu's BS excuse made sense here (so Shu wouldn't use it unless it served an ulterior motive). Just because you have a hierarchy doesn't mean you take leave of common sense. Who's more likely to need an oxygen tank: F-rank divers scavenging for you, or A/S-ranks who likely never need to go underwater for long periods of time? The answer is obvious.

Yahiro backed Shu up here because I think Yahiro was simply thrilled at seeing Shu be a bastard for any reason whatsoever.

Yahiro desperately wants Shu to be a totally cold, heartless Dictator. Even now Yahiro still considers Shu soft. Yahiro's overall philosophy is basically that of a Dr. Doom or a Lex Luthor. Yahiro is either that far over the moral event horizon, or he's a mole working for GHQ.

I think we all want Souta to die but that aside, did you not see Yahiro's void?

That guy's a psychopath

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Originally Posted by Qpax

Inori should be renamed Instant Plot-Device, because she seems to just do whatever the hell the plot calls for her to do. She apparently is now Shu’s C.C. (though she obviously isn’t as cool) and is going to do whatever she can to help him with his plan of world domination or whatever. Also can someone explain to me what’s the deal with the Schuhrer’s mom? Or any of the character?! Their interactions and motifs just don’t make any kind of sense… And suddenly GAI O SENGEN:

You win the thread sir...

FateAnomaly · 2012-02-10, 22:04

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Originally Posted by konart

Guilty Crown does not care about any of this.

I agree, GC operates under rule of drama and rule of cool. Everything else can be thrown out the window...

Master_Yoma · 2012-02-10, 22:20

Shu is become a good and evil

Xeones · 2012-02-10, 23:38

I think Lelouch should make a guest-appearance in GC, bitchslap Shu a couple of times, take over the control of the school and then say something like:

"Okay Kid... now watch and learn how this s*** is done."

Next thing we know, GHQ is defeated in a couple of weeks...

Guido · 2012-02-10, 23:54

I can't believe myself after watching this episode. School became a dangerous kingdom once Shu turned into a tyrant King, albeit a good-and-evil one throughout most of the episode.

Spoiler:

Yahiro and Argo make their opposing points valid to Shu about the use of Voids, but I'm inclining with Argo's because in all honestly Yahiro might believe the more they make use of Voids, then the more knowledge they gather about them.
Of course doing so, comes at hundreds or thousands of lives lost in the open, if they start an all-out war against GHQ.

Spoiler:

The voids are pretty much a double-edge weapon....

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Now bringing the darkest element of all....

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As for the last cliffhanger twist at the end of the episode.....

Spoiler:

Crontica · 2012-02-11, 01:06

Next episode prediction: Gai has fused with Mana!

Kismet-chan · 2012-02-11, 01:14

^Ew, I really hope not. D:

Stiletto · 2012-02-11, 02:10

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Originally Posted by Crontica

Next episode prediction: Gai has fused with Mana!

I'm imaginng Gai's body and Mana's face. Do not want.

Soji · 2012-02-11, 07:18

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Originally Posted by Crontica

Next episode prediction: Gai has fused with Mana!

I don't really think this. But he will probally something like her. Wich mean...o boy

He gonna be the new one that controls the virus>_>At least that seem to be the case from that scene and how the bring him back.

ttdestroy · 2012-02-11, 07:58

I don't think I can agree with Shu's logic. As we've seen in the past, he simply doesn't possess the maturity to wield this power, and Yahiro is just manipulating him to whatever means he intends to accomplish. We know Shu bends under pressure, but Hare's death broke him, or at least that's my impression.

Oh and hats off to Klashikari and Triple R in this thread, really well thought out posts and point/counterpoint.

ThereminVox · 2012-02-11, 11:01

Gai has infinite re-spawns turned on.

It is the only explanation.

Anh_Minh · 2012-02-11, 11:10

I still don't like the ranking system, I still don't like that they've put known treacherous thugs in positions of trust, but I can't say I have much sympathy for Argo's POV, either.

He's been fed and sheltered for weeks while kids were scrabbling for food and medicine, he comes to rescue one rich kid, and he wants to give morality lessons to the guy trying to save as many people as possible? And, risk or no risk, the voids are still their biggest weapon. Whether they die of the virus, of getting shot, or having the voids broken matters little. He asked Shu how many people would die if he started his war. A hard question to answer, unlike the question of how many would die if Shu didn't go to war: all of them. So, really, what was his point?

Tenza-Zangetsu · 2012-02-11, 12:23

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Originally Posted by ThereminVox

Gai has infinite re-spawns turned on.

It is the only explanation.

does kinda explain him surviving a "nuke"

Comrade · 2012-02-11, 13:28

I really wanted to punch Shu ... hard ... several times. I know it's been hard on him and that times are tough, but to actually go and become such an asshole is just ...

I also have to question the usefulness of the Void ranking system. It's so unstable and pathetic it ain't even funny. I mean, all you have to do is to take out Shu and the entire system comes tumbling down.

I would also think twice about bullying the lower ranks if I was a high ranker. Shu won't be around all the time and the only thing that differentiates a top rank from a bottom rank is something that matters only when Shu is around. Once he's gone the top ranker is no different from anyone else.

How the hell did they even accept that system in the first place? Are they really that submissive? Are they really that weak? Sure, order is needed, but when you implement such a crappy system that pushes people around it's only a matter of time before things fall apart.

With such assholes running the school the low ranks should have gone Pitchforks and Torches long time ago and then I would like to see how much your S rank will save your life...

And it seems that Inori has also started going insane ... nice.

Arya · 2012-02-11, 13:57

Really enjoyed this episode.

I hope that the Gai resurrection is made to use him as a trojan horse and not as the Gai we all knew.

And I have to say that I agree with Triple R and his points.

The situation they are in is a live or die one, and no one but Shu can take the lead. Shu know that, schoolmates too. Not by merits, not by election, but by necessity.
So even the F-rankers had to agree with him and with his ranking system. Because there are no alternatives. Argo was talking about nonsense back there.

Talking about the hierarchy, in each system founded on hierarchies the discrimination is how good you are in that application field. So they are using the more effective one, giving the short time they have. I agree, and I wrote about it before, with who sees the void ranking as not the smartest way to structure a hierarchy, but ... the easier, the faster. They need efficiency first, not a stable hierarchy, just the time to break-through the walls. I don't see a GHQ hunting in Shu agenda right now. But only a way to free his *friends* at the expence of everything. Do I like it? Not at all, but it is not done to be liked.
I add that it seems that they do not rank only about numbers. Shu examined the girl's void before ranking her. So they are putting some efforts *to give credits* to their system. This is not a strategy game/anime, so it is understandable that they don't focus too much on these things. (Even if I know that it has flaws).

They don't have any Leoluches, only Yahiro, scheming all around. So they have to deal with what they have. Not to mention that the main aim of GHQ is to make Shu go insane. Many events and accidents are controlled by Segai to that aim. And GHQ are doing good so far.

Thinking about GHQ, could it be that they are trying to break him down as they did with Mana before and cause a second lost christmas? Finally they both are Haruka's sons.

Focusing on Shu behavior, it is not like he has really switched personality, he decided to act like that. He said that speaking with Inori. So right now, don't know how it will last, he is acting like that, but under his mask he still has some humanity. Not for Souta, as Triple R has well pointed out.

He is still looking for his balance and probably he need to hit the bottom, dig and then come back, if he could.
And from a character progression is not so wrong instead of having that trigger pulling him out as a shining and rightful king.

And for Inori, how glad I would be if she was a yandere, just a bit, not too much. But it seems that Mana is taking over her when she need to. So everything is going against Shu. The two most closed people to him, in different ways, will lead him to the darkest side of the force. Yahiro and Manori. I at least hope that that lie will hint Shu on how Yahiro is not so right in his strategies.

germanturkey · 2012-02-11, 14:31

well, they made it so you're supposed to hate what Shu is dong. and they've done a very good job at that. everything else is barely understandable, but w/e..

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2012-02-10, 19:04	Link #141
com_gwp Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010	^Why do I have the complete opposite view of you. 12 was the lowest point of the entire series for me, ending what was an extremely underwhelming first cour. I hoestly think that the show has been getting more and more fun to watch since the start of the 2nd cour, with s*** hitting the fan every single episode up till now. The cast shifting character, and the autocratic little empire Shu's built himself is a lot more interesting to watch compared to the freedom fight of the first cour. Doesn't hurt that I like post-apocalyptic and lockdown settings. Sure, the plot holes and jumps in logic still remain, but its being directed in a gloriously enjoyable trainwreck. (Clone Gai haha. Although I was calling him to somehow comeback into the series by the end) Edit: Hey, that end card, is that the Durarara/Yozakura Quartet artist? Faces sure looks like his style. Last edited by com_gwp; 2012-02-10 at 19:39.

2012-02-10, 21:38	Link #144
Flawfinder Loves the Experience Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Earth...hopefully	I barely remember Argo. He was so minor a character and did so little that I could care less what he did in this episode (beyond his role as outsider looking at current school situation). That serial killer (who I notice has never been important since he got introduced) was more memorable. __________________ My Awesome Anime Blog: Standing On My Neck

2012-02-10, 22:20	Link #147
Master_Yoma Nekokota Festival Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lost in the Fairy Forest	Shu is become a good and evil __________________

2012-02-10, 23:54	Link #149
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	Kingdom, Tyrant I can't believe myself after watching this episode. School became a dangerous kingdom once Shu turned into a tyrant King, albeit a good-and-evil one throughout most of the episode. Spoiler: He's making work the F-ranks to retrieve vaccine supplies from that half-sunken at max power, and several of them have developed stage-1 Apocalypse symptoms. However, while trying his best to act cold to set the examples, his told otherwise; clearly conflicted about his choices but couldn't back down. Yahiro and Argo make their opposing points valid to Shu about the use of Voids, but I'm inclining with Argo's because in all honestly Yahiro might believe the more they make use of Voids, then the more knowledge they gather about them. Of course doing so, comes at hundreds or thousands of lives lost in the open, if they start an all-out war against GHQ. Spoiler: Shu's being a tyrant for the sake of not losing more lives to get them all out of Tokyo by imposing his rules and making them all clear to his subjects. He was conflicted, yes! But, Yahiro taking the role of his unsympathetic right-hand man is playing more bad effects on the decay of the latter's moral integrity. It doesn't matter how much Yahiro puts up with that the students have to follow the system for their survival at the risk of being punished or executed. And, it was more evident this element of corruption when Yahiro spread the lie that Hare got killed by a new Genomic weapon. Nevertheless, it happened again before Shu that the new girl-recruit got killed by the infection because her Void was accidentally destroyed, even though Shu saved her. I don't believe at any second that Shu tried to deny the circumstances behind Hare's death, because he witnessed it. He tried to object to Yahiro that it was a lie about Hare getting killed by a new weapon, but Yahiro vehemently stood for that lie in order to keep the kingdom operational through the use of Voids. Of course, the new recruit dies in exactly the same fashion like Hare did, and again Shu witnessed this helplessly. Subsequently, reliving the whole ordeal again prompted Shu's sanity about to collapse, and him heading towards the absolute path of a Dark tyrant the moment he started to toying with Argo's Void to see if breaking the Void accelerates the infection within the owner killing her or him. The voids are pretty much a double-edge weapon.... Spoiler: Maybe Gai knew. Likely, Keido, Haruka, Daath, and Kurosu already knew that the Voids are related with the Apocalypse Virus. The Void breaks then the owner goes all apocalyptic-symptomatic within seconds, crystallizing, and then dying. Definitely, I believe Gai knew about the side-effects of Voids in previous ocassions pillaging GHQ facilities and stealing classified data detailing about such incidents. Likely, this would explain Gai's practical but limited use of Voids for strategic reasons during the missions but never overusing or misusing them. Now bringing the darkest element of all.... Spoiler: Inori!! She wasn't herself when she was alone with Shu, and when she alone stalked Arisa killing her in the process, seemingly seems to be, without touching her; felt like she killed Arisa with a sort of psychokinesis, or at least seemed to me. Many people brought some uneasy thoughts at the conclusion of the twelfth episode, that maybe something indeed happened to Inori when both Daath and Keido performed the wedding ritual, although both Shu and Gai successfully destroyed it. Let's not forget that Inori's body was genetically-engineered by GHQ to serve as a vessel for Mana, and paying close attention when Inori relapsed two times in this episode into that wicked personality: the first time she was teasing Shu if she was the one that he wanted, and the second time when she found Arisa and taunted her right before killing her to prevent Arisa from spreading the word about not using the Voids. I believe almost flawlessly that latent bits of Mana's personality, or some Mana cells to add more creepiness, began to awaken within Inori. This can be true because one scene cuts to Daath picking what seems to be one of wedding rings from the ritual at the towers' ruins and comments to Mana through himself that Shu's collecting her shards but right now is not enough, so both have to put more pressure on him to make him tap his full potential, a.k.a. for Shu to make the full transformation into an absolute tyrant. As for the last cliffhanger twist at the end of the episode..... Spoiler: It looks like Haruka's debt to Shu for keeping him secrets will never be voided. She committed again another sin, and that one which Shu will never forgive her for. A character rises, as Keido looks upon expectantly. That person's face cannot be seen, but that person is wielding an all too familiar cross.... Spoiler: Gai has risen with the power of genetics. And, I theorize he's a faux body much like Inori.

2012-02-10, 21:19	Link #143
Makall Member Join Date: Nov 2011	Is anyone else glad that this Argo fellow got what he deserved? He always looked down on Shu and stepped all over him like the bully he was. In a case like this, the cover is very representative of the book. If he looks like a thug bully, walks like a thug bully and talks like a thug bully, then he must be a thug bully. When Shu first joined their group, Argo was such a jackass towards Shu because Shu didn't worship the ground that Gai walked on and licked his boots like Argo does. Now because Shu wanted to save his fellow schoolmates and take leadership into his own hands, Argo yet again has to act like a condescending asshole towards Shu. Gai wanted to be like Shu, not the other way around. Saying stuff like "He's just a Shu, how dare he try to act like a leader!?". Classic bully talk when the bullied has surpassed them. Or "You're just Shu, you don't get to order me around!" shows that Argo never even considered Shu a comrade (implying that he's weak and will always be weak). Well Argo, a single cell in Shu's body has more worth than all of your fodder buddies combined. Has he forgotten that in all their operations, Shu does like 90% of the work? Without Shu, they were bound for failure. Yet how does he keep getting away with all this disrespect towards him? It's funny cause Argo stood out as the classic thug-like bully in the group. The big fat guy is pretty non-chalant about everything. Ayase's a bitch of course but she's in a wheelchair so the pent up stress must have accumulated. Argo's worship of Gai is almost cult-like in a way. Gai's #1 fanboy (Ayase #1 fangirl).

2012-02-10, 23:38	Link #148
Xeones Member Join Date: Dec 2011	I think Lelouch should make a guest-appearance in GC, bitchslap Shu a couple of times, take over the control of the school and then say something like: "Okay Kid... now watch and learn how this s*** is done." Next thing we know, GHQ is defeated in a couple of weeks...

2012-02-11, 01:06	Link #150
Crontica Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: My Desk	Next episode prediction: Gai has fused with Mana! __________________

2012-02-11, 01:14	Link #151
Kismet-chan The Chaotic Dreamer Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: In a cruel yet beautiful world Age: 32	^Ew, I really hope not. D: __________________

2012-02-11, 07:58	Link #154
ttdestroy Hardcore meets Casual Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Age: 35	I don't think I can agree with Shu's logic. As we've seen in the past, he simply doesn't possess the maturity to wield this power, and Yahiro is just manipulating him to whatever means he intends to accomplish. We know Shu bends under pressure, but Hare's death broke him, or at least that's my impression. Oh and hats off to Klashikari and Triple R in this thread, really well thought out posts and point/counterpoint. __________________ They say you don't grow up You just grow old, It's safe to say I haven't done both.

2012-02-11, 11:01	Link #155
ThereminVox Guess what time it is? Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Age: 38	Gai has infinite re-spawns turned on. It is the only explanation.

2012-02-11, 11:10	Link #156
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	I still don't like the ranking system, I still don't like that they've put known treacherous thugs in positions of trust, but I can't say I have much sympathy for Argo's POV, either. He's been fed and sheltered for weeks while kids were scrabbling for food and medicine, he comes to rescue one rich kid, and he wants to give morality lessons to the guy trying to save as many people as possible? And, risk or no risk, the voids are still their biggest weapon. Whether they die of the virus, of getting shot, or having the voids broken matters little. He asked Shu how many people would die if he started his war. A hard question to answer, unlike the question of how many would die if Shu didn't go to war: all of them. So, really, what was his point?

2012-02-11, 13:28	Link #158
Comrade A fuckin' genius! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Here, there ... EVERYWHERE! Age: 36	I really wanted to punch Shu ... hard ... several times. I know it's been hard on him and that times are tough, but to actually go and become such an asshole is just ... I also have to question the usefulness of the Void ranking system. It's so unstable and pathetic it ain't even funny. I mean, all you have to do is to take out Shu and the entire system comes tumbling down. I would also think twice about bullying the lower ranks if I was a high ranker. Shu won't be around all the time and the only thing that differentiates a top rank from a bottom rank is something that matters only when Shu is around. Once he's gone the top ranker is no different from anyone else. How the hell did they even accept that system in the first place? Are they really that submissive? Are they really that weak? Sure, order is needed, but when you implement such a crappy system that pushes people around it's only a matter of time before things fall apart. With such assholes running the school the low ranks should have gone Pitchforks and Torches long time ago and then I would like to see how much your S rank will save your life... And it seems that Inori has also started going insane ... nice. __________________ If vegetarians care about the animals, then why are they eating all their food?

2012-02-11, 13:57	Link #159
Arya Senior Member Join Date: May 2004	Really enjoyed this episode. I hope that the Gai resurrection is made to use him as a trojan horse and not as the Gai we all knew. And I have to say that I agree with Triple R and his points. The situation they are in is a live or die one, and no one but Shu can take the lead. Shu know that, schoolmates too. Not by merits, not by election, but by necessity. So even the F-rankers had to agree with him and with his ranking system. Because there are no alternatives. Argo was talking about nonsense back there. Talking about the hierarchy, in each system founded on hierarchies the discrimination is how good you are in that application field. So they are using the more effective one, giving the short time they have. I agree, and I wrote about it before, with who sees the void ranking as not the smartest way to structure a hierarchy, but ... the easier, the faster. They need efficiency first, not a stable hierarchy, just the time to break-through the walls. I don't see a GHQ hunting in Shu agenda right now. But only a way to free his friends at the expence of everything. Do I like it? Not at all, but it is not done to be liked. I add that it seems that they do not rank only about numbers. Shu examined the girl's void before ranking her. So they are putting some efforts to give credits to their system. This is not a strategy game/anime, so it is understandable that they don't focus too much on these things. (Even if I know that it has flaws). They don't have any Leoluches, only Yahiro, scheming all around. So they have to deal with what they have. Not to mention that the main aim of GHQ is to make Shu go insane. Many events and accidents are controlled by Segai to that aim. And GHQ are doing good so far. Thinking about GHQ, could it be that they are trying to break him down as they did with Mana before and cause a second lost christmas? Finally they both are Haruka's sons. Focusing on Shu behavior, it is not like he has really switched personality, he decided to act like that. He said that speaking with Inori. So right now, don't know how it will last, he is acting like that, but under his mask he still has some humanity. Not for Souta, as Triple R has well pointed out. He is still looking for his balance and probably he need to hit the bottom, dig and then come back, if he could. And from a character progression is not so wrong instead of having that trigger pulling him out as a shining and rightful king. And for Inori, how glad I would be if she was a yandere, just a bit, not too much. But it seems that Mana is taking over her when she need to. So everything is going against Shu. The two most closed people to him, in different ways, will lead him to the darkest side of the force. Yahiro and Manori. I at least hope that that lie will hint Shu on how Yahiro is not so right in his strategies. __________________ *The meaning of things lies not in the things themselves, but in our attitude towards them.*

2012-02-11, 14:31	Link #160
germanturkey Udon-YAAAAAAAA Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 35	well, they made it so you're supposed to hate what Shu is dong. and they've done a very good job at that. everything else is barely understandable, but w/e.. __________________ Aria is the best series EVER. Rewatch Origination with me. Blessed are those who listen to headphones, for they listen to the sound of heaven.