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If his character was "lightened up", i.e. was not hinted to be such a villain I agree he'd be a good counterbalance to Lacus even on moral terms. Last edited by Sir Dearka; 2008-01-16 at 07:52. |
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You do realise if your going to accuse someone for acts of violence you are going to require evidence and facts right? No good taking logical guesses and preach it likes if its the word of god if you have nothing to support your accusations... And this is exactly what lacus and Kira did. Take a logical guess and assume already its dully and somehow patheticly in unrealistic manner convinced Athrun with no evidence, proof or facts. This is so lame even for RL standards. |
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Of course he did. But he still saw the chance to make the world "better". And he almost did it. It is not the fact that he lost that bothers me. It is the fact HOW he lost... |
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In Destiny, she was thrust into a position that's outside of her comfort zone. All of her father's nonmilitary advisors had apparently died with him, so Cagalli settled on placing her trust on the Seirans. They were more interested in keeping her under their control rather than shaping an effective leader, so it's not too surprising that she stayed insecure, naive, and hesitant. I rather liked the way she grew into her role by the end of the show. Quote:
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I think that one of the reasons why so many people dislike Destiny is because it's just so different, despite being couched in familiar terms. When we see a supposed "main pilot", we expect him to be the protagonist, and to have the story revolve around him. Likewise, Destiny is roughly analogous to Zeta, and even today, you'll see a lot of people who claim that the former is just a rehash of the other. Look any deeper into it, and it's readily apparent that they're totally different.
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Back in Afganistan people got hurt coz of lack of information and as result civilians and high ranking officials died due to someones lack of proof and assumed by using logical guesses it was safe to commence deadly operations. Ive personally have dealt on picking up dead bodies coz someone decided taking a guess was an apropriate form of deciding what course of action to take. So as you can see what may happen coz someone totally screwed up and innocent people and/or non participating party had to pay the price. Life is preciouse and ive learnt to appreciate it even more now that ive seen some horrors. Its sad that kira and co went thru a war and still havnt realised if you are not 100% accurate, more lives will be taken away. Now Fortuantly for Kira and Co everything played out right, but never the less they acted on educated guesses and lack of real Intel of who is behind these schemes. As wingdarkness pointed out a peice of scrap of paper with very limited Text is not evidence or proof to pinpoint at a particular individual who may be behind it all. Quote:
But either way i still wouldnt been convinced if kira told me by word of mouth that Dully is behind the assasination without some form of evidence. Talk is cheap Last edited by winter45; 2008-01-17 at 11:05. Reason: Originally type *with* when it should of been *without* in the last paragraph |
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yet there is still something bothering me how come the u.s. tv has yet to show GSD?
well here are the REAL reasons why it has yet to be shown 1.edits & censors (yeah blame FCC for that) 2.languages (too much da-m, sh-i, bi-ch, ba-rd, he-l, etc) 3.scenes (yeah the extended lab, shinn on stella's rack, lacus' ribbon, etc hide the little kids) besides the u.s. tv has no idea about GS series because it's really Gundam SEED series incorporated elements from popular live-action television dramas. Instead of focusing on the robot action, the show focused more on the characters.
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Destiny did show up on Pay-per-View, but it probably did poorly there.
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well maybe it's because of these reasons that i'm sayin 1.edits & censors (yeah blame FCC for that) 2.languages (too much da-m, sh-i, bi-ch, ba-rd, he-l, etc) 3.scenes (yeah the extended lab, shinn on stella's rack, lacus' ribbon, etc hide the little kids) besides the phils was 1st to show GSD in english cause phils is GS fans area. then it went canada but in u.s. just dvd oh come on cry me a river because the FCC will really SCREW the GSD like they did with GS in 04 hello the dumb "disco guns" remember that so blame it on FCC.
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What you're proposing would be very different structurally from any other Gundam work, and it might be simply too much change. The biggest issue is that it'll draw the attention away from the mobile suits, and that's a big no-no. Quote:
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When the show first aired, I hoped that the person to turn on Durandal would have been Talia. It's a little too bad that she wasn't, and so she's number two on the aforementioned list, right behind Rey.
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--- And now something lighter: I just noriced an interesting thing... The duo of Destiny - Rey and Shinn have similar names to those of the Evangelion girls: Shinn ASUKA -> ASUKA Langley Soryu REY Za Burell -> REI Ayanami |
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With this, I agree. And as I said, I don't mind any"rip-offs" from Zeta as they don't seem to be that important to me. To some Zeta-fanatics maybe. But not to me. |
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Don't misunderstand me , I don't mean that Seed destiny is the worst anime, only that between a good one and a bad one, I would decide that's a bad one. But in fact, is not because the influence of the Zeta (Seed have more influence of the MSG and is in his own one of the best mecha animes I have seen ) , probably they rip-off the wrong aspects for the seed destiny (except the part of Stellar, that was one of the best scenes of the serie). IMO, what's make Seed Destiny a bad (or if you prefer, not a good) anime is: 1)Too much nonsense tribute to UC: If you see Gundam Seed and don't have seen MSG, it doesn't matter, the serie stand alone and a great one, but if you see MSG, you discover a lot of details . But Seed destiny use the same formula, but in a wrong way, the Alex Dino plot doesn't mean anything (except that Cagalli can't lie under pressure ) if you don't known the Quattro/Char plot of the Zeta. The use of Zakus of all the flavors only have a substancial meaning if you see Z , I love UC, but so much "fan service" don't make the series better neither for the CE fans and the UC fans 2) They use the same scenes over, and over, and over again (the flashback where we see the first blue cosmos attack against the musician is one of the favorites ). 3) They forget the most important part in Z, you almost not see anything about Amuro and Char is present like two thirds of the serie, the rest is only Camille, in Seed Destiny we see to much Kira (I like Kira in Seed, but in Seed Destiny, i don't know, maybe Rau take his soul to hell with him and leave only the "all goddie" part ). 4) Shin, i think he was a promise, I love his development, is so far yhe best character of Seed Destiny , until they stop his development, he known the horrors of war, then he became a monster, thinking that the way he fight will save the world (his smile after the battle of Gulnahan is one of my favorite parts), and then he only need a push to mature, to realize that he was like the ones who kill his parents, not a hero. But no, when they could (After all, he "kill" the sister of Luna Maria) they have already decide to give the main spot light to Kira. 5) The worst of all, gundam seed destiny is the direct continuation of gundam Seed, and they destroy all what they can of the original serie, in fact they seem to forgot all what happen in the last episodes (except the death of Rau and and Patrick) the death of Mwu, that Kira and Cagalli are brothers, the development of all the characters in those episodes, particulary Athuran. That's the hinch of it, I know we love Seed, but Seed destiny no, Probably if they take the correct parts of Zeta (develope the young and new pilot, for example) the serie would be better |
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Spoiler for Everything lordgemini says:
I pretty much agree with everything you said. Except that I don't think Destiny is worst series ever. (From those I've watched, Turn A wase even worse, for instance) I even liked Destiny more than Wing (which did not built up any emotions in me). However, I think it's still thanks to the visuals mostly, and the fact that I was already familiar with the characters. But it still made Destiny a good show to watch. I was indeed disappointed, but it was rather because the show was not "perfect" and it turned out being just "good". AND also, it was irrelevant to me whether they rippedoff anything from Zeta or not unless it was not kitsch. As for me, they could take nothing from Zeta and as well invent something themselves. |
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