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2011-03-23, 13:43 | Link #12642 | |
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2011-03-23, 14:09 | Link #12643 |
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MarketWatch is one of the few outlets that dares to be critical of the hands that feed it. I think they mostly get away with it because its a very small audience that listens to it.
I find it amusing when apologists argue that corporations shouldn't be "people" when it comes to paying taxes or being responsible to the community but should be people when it comes to those perks of being "people" (like free speech=$$, etc).
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2011-03-23, 14:19 | Link #12644 |
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Nice that my country is listed along them.
Sad though, that the number of Muslim immigrants seems to be rising every year and they're demanding more and more space for themselves – they're no longer happy with just a few dozen mosques, they want Muslim banks now too. Our "Muslim brothers'" apparently don't trust the non-Muslim banks that are already there anymore, even though some of them have been here for a long time. And there are still many towns in the South and East where Christianity is still held in high respect and actively practiced. Heck, those people even believe the "Young Earth" theory hypothesis. So yeah, religion dying? Not in my lifetime, anyway. And probably not for a long, LONG time either.
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2011-03-23, 14:25 | Link #12645 | |
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But I don't see why not. Religions have come and gone. Why wouldn't atheism or agnosticism become overwhelmingly dominant in places? |
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2011-03-23, 14:26 | Link #12646 | |
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2011-03-23, 14:37 | Link #12647 | |
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2011-03-23, 15:20 | Link #12648 | |
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Muslim banks and syariah products, are at the least, inefficient and are detrimental to the economy in the long run over a decade or more (effects cannot be seen in a short time). If those banks are state-owned, they are incredibly good at causing one thing : income divide. Much faster than the IRS/Federal Reserve in the long run (if they even run that long). Come to think of it, the banking sector doesn't seem to have alot of good alternatives thus we are always choosing the least evil to keep our money, and now these people want Muslim banks? Give me a break - the money flow and credit worthiness will always go to those people who deposited the most in them, no matter what kind of bank it is. We certainly don't need more assholes in the banking sector.
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2011-03-23, 15:38 | Link #12649 | |
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2011-03-23, 16:36 | Link #12651 |
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I wouldn't go quite that far. I'd amend this to saying "expunging theistic religion from humanity is a noble endeavor."
After all, it's an intellectual dead end to just throw your hands up and say A Wizard God Did It. Buddhism is pretty okay. My girlfriend is Jodo Shinshu, and they seem to be real levelheaded, realistic, non-prejudiced folks.
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2011-03-23, 18:06 | Link #12654 |
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Enlightenment moment - that counterargument is an instant lose in debate.
Its not binary ... evil does not vanish with or without religion - however, religion has definitely been used to retard, restrict, or control people throughout history. You've simply listed 'power grabbers' who would have used whatever tools were handy to achieve their dominance. Really, its *institutionalized* religion that is crumbling ... at least that type that has a 'director' or 'edict' hierarchy.
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2011-03-23, 18:20 | Link #12655 |
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Bombing near Jerusalem bus stop kills woman, 30 hurt
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...72M40L20110323 Expecting a air strike really soon on the Gaza strip ...
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2011-03-23, 18:30 | Link #12656 |
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Using your logic of non-belief as a reason for committing atrocities, non-belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster should be our chief concern. Neither Pol Pot, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Osama bin Laden, the Crusaders, the Inquisition etc. etc. believed in His Noodliness and look how many people they killed.
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2011-03-23, 19:16 | Link #12658 | |
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