Madou Koukaku ~Yami no Tsuki-Megami wa Doukoku de Utau~ -Eushully 14th Project-

[Drkz]

Prevail + Ferocity + Vorpal Counter + Strip Attack = Most broken Yuela ever. Still can't believe you don't like Serawi. I MEAN COME ON. SHE WAS MOST LEWD.

Honestly pretty much why I only poked around didn't bother to legitimately play it. When making as ambitious as this you know it'll need to get patched. Hell even Rance Quest still gets patches. As i said earlier. You'll find a way to break something. It always exist.

[Hemisphere]

Hannah is lewder.
Hannah is delishuz.
Hannah needs more scenes.

Viva Hannah!

...Uhh, yeah. I like Hannah is what I'm trying to get at.

[Flying Dagger]

Yeah, Hannah > Serawi.
In fact hannah as a unit is like what you would imagine Serawi to be: powerful elemental long ranged nukes, strong heals, long ranged heals, mana regen...

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I really don't like how destroying deployment towers can win you a map, I think that is the biggest abuse, and the silliest.

btw seem like there are fusions with over 100 steps... -_-

[Drkz]

Oi, from the main heroines I'd perfer her the most. But its true you can get lewder heroines from the side characters. Koha or Rags! Storywise Kamidori was weak, you could easily guess what was going to happen. Not to mention Serawi's storyline was somewhat depressing. But was I the only one who enjoyed the naked ball-slamming elf? I thought it was both hilarious and ironic that it was a ball and chain.

Well once they can't deploy what else can they do?...

Wtf. 100+? By the end of that fusion it better be the strongest unit in the game.

[Hemisphere]

Serawi's route was more annoying and tedious, really. SAVE THE WHALES, SAVE THE TREES, SAVE THE GRASS, SAVE THE-bleh. But that's Kamidori, and a different topic altogether.

First title that had ball-and-chain swinging was Genrin 2. The merchant, if you fucked her enough (for discounts), will join Louie - and her weapon is pretty much her ball-and-chain. The attack animation was hilarious; the damage, awesome.

Was planning to at least start on this to some degree (even if it meant putting it off only to come back to it some time later) just so I could remind myself to play this, but...now I'm horribly preoccupied by Dungeon Travelers 2. Even ended up stalling my LN backlog. ;w; But I just love me my Wizardry-esque RPGs...

[Flying Dagger]

yeah seem like that 100+ step fusion has an upkeep of 3000gold but also just literally destroy everything in its path.

Poor Liselle, I really wanted to go for her route first, but seem like her end is tied to Orphans route... (I think Eida's path the "true end")

[Key Board]

True History route is Aru's route

which you can only get by allying with Eida (SCIENCE!!!) over Orfan (DRAGONS!!!)

but that's not enough either
you must earn the respect of EVERY nation. This includes the Dragon Girl and the Dwarf King.
So it's very unlikely you'll be getting the true history route on your first playthrough

anyway.. I found this image from the Ikusa Megami perfect guide that I said about much earlier.
It shows where Himegari and Maid in Bunny take place. I guess they are canon. Lol.


http://i.imgur.com/EumxTLp.jpg


Oh, and this game takes place in Melkia which is just east border from the center box

[Flying Dagger]

I don't think your can do true route on first run or even NG+. I am in NG++ and just now I see a "true history book" on sale at the store. I think that unlocks true route.

I am starting fresh in NG++ because NG+ was too boring with power units. I seem to keep all my fusions (but limited availability due to mercenary store level). While having a lv5 spirit tank will be amazing, I don't want to abuse that mechanic: esp when 90% of enemies early game are physical attackers.

I still find the game easier now that I have a good understanding of various mechanics.
This is a tactic I now employ:
1) Start with Aru+2 suicidal knight squads, keep Aru out of range and just let those knights draw all enemies out and die.
2) Knights die, moral meter gets filled.
3) Nuke the shit out of your enemies. Send in either Liselle/Weiss with 1 more cannon fodder squad.
4) The enemy should use their specials on those units. Try to keep your named heroes out of the nuke. Once their moral meter is emptied, nuke with Aru again once moral gets high enough.
5) Keep enough moral for Weiss to knock enemies back if they attempt to retreat. Alternatively, if they are far enough from their tower, use Liselle's AoE buff on everyone and just kill them as they retreat: you should run faster than them and also deal a lot more damage with the buff.

Against certain melee units (esp in defensive formation), sometimes Aru can melee them without getting hit herself.

TL;DR: Send troops to their deaths, nuke with Aru.

Madou Koukaku ~Yami no Tsuki-Megami wa Nuke de Utau~

[Drkz]

Hey dagger can you still buy monsters even though you kept them? Cause apparently you don't get research quests when you keep monsters from your previous game? Anyone found a easier way to get money? My brothel spamming plan didn't work :(.

A append disc with bunny outfits! I want.

[Flying Dagger]

Hmmm...
I think you just autocomplete all the monster fusion quests if you carried over everything. You get a good giant boost of money the first time you visit the quest hub, it might have been one of those quests in there.

Even if you do not carry army over, (what I did in NG++) the game seem to remember what you have captured/fused in the past and you can just hire them right away from the merc camp... thus i had to resist not getting a spirit out and use it as the ultimate tank.

Brothel isn't as effective at generating money as merc camps. I think Mercenary camps give 250 at lv1 while brothel gives 200.

Money making "early" game is quite limited.

Late game you can explore farming as an option to make money. There are a few high tier craftable merchandises you can sell for a good amount of money and cost few materials to make (but they are usually rare: stuff like cows or lunar fruit/plants are only found in certain places).

Other than that its just trying to be as efficient as possible: do not deploy units on the map which you do not need as they come with an upkeep (those monsters you captured/fused comes with very high upkeep).

Try to make very good use of space. Seem like towns go up a level every 20 squares you used (that is not walls/trees/traps), and each level generates more passive income.

Resource gathering wise: lv2 camps are the thing to go for as they generate +1 round of resources. Ie: the first level of lumbermill only gives +5% chance of getting rare items, while lv2 camp gives +6% and also +1 to wood gathered.

It is a long term investment: because basic stone and soil are still used frequently when constructing a new settlement, so every stone that you do not have to buy in the future is another 200g saved (which is already more than the 200g made from your love hotels if you add the base income generated by a mine).

I find I tend to have a stockpile of basic wood, so those are a little less important.

Also always have someone governing a town, even if its one of the initial soldiers you got. Most of the time the benefits they give will outweight their upkeep. This is especially true for mercenaries with income skills.

Finally, you can try to squeeze a little bit of juice from diplomacy if somehow you are like, dead broke. They have a chance of giving you 2k/2k aide at the cost of 10 relationship.

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I want an append with:
Angel maids.
Cameos from more past works: would be cute if Mirai and Mehisha ends up in your army :).
Giant balance patch (eushully doesnt do those do they?)
More routes and endings.
big battles!

[Drkz]

You forgot to mention... HASHIERA'S VOICE!
Wait... WHERE ARE MY BROKEN EUSHULLY MAIDS! THEY'RE SUPPOSE TO APPEAR. EUKLEIA KICKING ASSS!

So focus on maxing out the monsters first?.. got it. Don't want to do that again....

Making a balance patch would involve trying to make the ai smarter. Which rarely works well. They'll probably just weaken you (penalized somehow) and buff the opponent. Or they can go Sengoku style and so some stupid 5 star crap...

[Flying Dagger]

I think I would be scared if the AI start bum rushing my deployment with a siege weapon that can take it down in merely seconds. I would also be annoyed if they run a cavalry unit straight into my ranged units... (but anything too complicated may result in weird and awkward movements).

Fusion has a "side effect" that some of them can be used by your commanders, notable ones would be the wood elf's earth typed woodbow attack and undines with their water bolts.

Would like to see them add more unit types too.

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Also the dwarves seem rather useless in this game, I think they might have a role to play in AP?


here are more thoughts on money:
City development is your major money spender. Beside the optional quest books which cost a ton but are not very useful (imo), there really isn't much of a place where you can spend money on.

So for me, I choose to invest heavily on resource gathering infrastructures. Its similar to starcraft: money in your bank doesn't help you, but if spend invest your entire bank into stuff like lv2 mines, you will get it back some day.

I guess in a way rocks (only 100g) is a poor return in mine investment, so early game until you hit the tier 3 materials it might be reasonable to pool resources and just rely solely on the store... The tier 2 steel cost 500g so getting just 3-4 of them would be well worth the money.

Each dragon stone can be sold at the store for 1200, they are kind of rare though... I think they are mostly used for the ultimate weapons which you get late game.

The same goes for the resource enhancements: I use it every turn late game.

[Key Board]

You'll do a lot of item grinding when you do the true history route the first time
true history requires you to build tanks and later airships

some of the items required can only be effectively acquired by overspecializing certain areas
for instance, I had to build TEN lumber mills at lv.5 at one town to reliably get some divine and devil lumber

Orfan route is easier at first because it seems you only need to grind for monsters which are much easier to acquire.
Then you realize you need some blue magic stones which are only available from ONE single area in the entire map.
If your access is blocked? You'll be forced to end the game early and not get any kind of character ending.

[Flying Dagger]

Eren de Mail gives me a very decent amount of majin wood (devil wood) with the +gather gem used on it. I think I ran only 5 lumbermills at that place as I want the other resources offered, namely the green magic stone and the wide variety of soils.

Remember that lv2 lumbermills give +1 on resource gathered. So essentially doubling your chances of getting the high grade wood.

There are several places for blue stones, there is one @ the dragon area, and the mountain city also produces those.

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Took me long enough to realize the use of churches: they are essentially cheaper than a lv2 gathering node, so if I only care for the +gather and not for the +rare% I should just use churches.
Ofc , churches do not offer passive income. I guess 60g per week isn't much from a mine when you compare it to the gold saved by not upgrading.

[Hemisphere]

True History route is Aru's route

which you can only get by allying with Eida (SCIENCE!!!) over Orfan (DRAGONS!!!)

but that's not enough either
you must earn the respect of EVERY nation. This includes the Dragon Girl and the Dwarf King.
So it's very unlikely you'll be getting the true history route on your first playthrough

anyway.. I found this image from the Ikusa Megami perfect guide that I said about much earlier.
It shows where Himegari and Maid in Bunny take place. I guess they are canon. Lol.


http://i.imgur.com/EumxTLp.jpg


Oh, and this game takes place in Melkia which is just east border from the center box

Maid in Bunny?! THAT was canon!? LOL.

Thanks for the picture from the perfect guide. I've had my suspicions that it took place somewhere in one of the demon-infested areas (the red-colored zones in this map (http://www.eukleia.co.jp/eushully/Dir_Lifyna/card_raulbhach1.jpg)) and that seems to be the case.

I'm surprised that it took place close to where Tayu Uta did, though.

[Drkz]

All that hard work for a giant women....

[Flying Dagger]

Someone made a post about the game on reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/visualnovels/comments/1dmg13/just_started_eushullys_new_game_theyve_kicked_the/

That one particular picture slipped through me since it was part of the trial, but I admit the background was pretty well drawn.

I can prob still play this for another week, afterwards its the long wait for their game next year...

[Key Board]

I got the true history ending

man, they really make your work your butt for it

there's a lot of conditions for it

1) gain the trust of all countries. These is done by either getting them through a specific chain of scripted events. The only country you are allowed to declare war on is Zafuha (Dark Elf's country). And only after a certain event.

2) progress through the events of all named characters of said country. For this to happen, they need to be level 33~37 to trigger their events. Yes, all of them.

3) side with the Eida/Eifilia (green haired field marshal) and develop ALL of the required tanks / ships. THIS WILL REQUIRE ITEM GRINDING and developing, nay, over developing certain mining towns.

or if you just want to see the story, you can use this save file that takes you to the start of true history route

http://www.mediafire.com/?5r43hq6qlm9xcw6 (save number 198 or 199) It's set on easy mode, but you still need to think a bit.

..

[Key Board]

On another note, does any remember what happened to Melkia Empire in Ikusa Megami 2?

It's been a while and I don't want to play that crappy hard game again xd

I just remember them having an Empress

[Drkz]

Wow. Reddit before 4chan? I'm impressed.

Sidenote: Eushully was stretched.... NO MAIDS. AT ALL. DEPRESSING.

[Key Board]

Wow. Reddit before 4chan? I'm impressed.

Sidenote: Eushully was stretched.... NO MAIDS. AT ALL. DEPRESSING.

No Angel Maids
No Lily
No Anastasia mascot
Not cameos whatsoever except for Haishera

[Hemisphere]

On another note, does any remember what happened to Melkia Empire in Ikusa Megami 2?

It's been a while and I don't want to play that crappy hard game again xd

I just remember them having an Empress

All I remember from IM2 was that Amdosius was finally with Celica, Celica turned an Old Goddess into his apostle, he FINALLY defeated himself (creepy stalker is creepier than Abirus brrrrrrr), and Rekshumi was fucking weird compared to her ZERO self. orz

[Flying Dagger]

The white hair warrior girl down south (forgot name) also doesn't have an end (not even mentioned in epilogue!), she is much cuter than the king's sister who keeps trying to kill me off...
(didn't really like the part where weiss pretty much raped her to "fix" her devotion towards her former employer)

Dunno if I accidentally turned off level limts: the king down south was level 37, while the other units (as well as my army are ~lv12-15). I pretty much have to pull him all the way to my deployment tower, tank him with elec-based knights (your starting knights and Weiss are elec units) then chip him down using special attacks. I was ~2 seconds away from losing to the time limit... good thing once the king and the girl-warrior dies off Aru can pretty much nuke the rest down herself.

Almost at the branching point, Liselle I am here for you~ <3

Very curious what they will add to 2.0... should come out late September?

How come no units seem to use the triangular formation as shown here?

http://i.imgur.com/q0tdijc.jpg

The Dominus formation is triangular but not that large... Most units just default to the sword formation.

I also find the magic-sword formation to be rather annoying to use.

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Wishful thinking:
I just realize the game actually has quite a bit of english in it: stuff like "Complete", the place names, some of the interface elements... its as if Eushully wanted foreigners to have a chance at playing the game...

[Key Board]

The white hair warrior girl down south (forgot name) also doesn't have an end (not even mentioned in epilogue!), she is much cuter than the king's sister who keeps trying to kill me off...
(didn't really like the part where weiss pretty much raped her to "fix" her devotion towards her former employer)

That part was WTF inducing
And then the older brother came back as ghost, and everyone is like.. oh so you're a ghost now, big deal
Ranaheim characters are just zany


Wishful thinking:
I just realize the game actually has quite a bit of english in it: stuff like "Complete", the place names, some of the interface elements... its as if Eushully wanted foreigners to have a chance at playing the game...

I noticed that some of the land-ships have English names such as Valiant, Formidable, and Magnanimous. There was also a land-ship in Ikusa Megami 2 called Illustrious. I think that's just how Melkia names their land-ships.

Very curious what they will add to 2.0... should come out late September?

Maou-sama and Lily get warped into the past/another universe again. Just like Verita

[Flying Dagger]

Would make more sense if Feruano broke her in (even though the two don't really get along), or even if she ends up seeking her help after a week because of what happened to the king.

I suppose you really do need some new units as you start to fight multi-front battles.

Margaretta (queen of nation of light) also have similar "sex fixes everything" treatment.

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Also who is the guy smart enough to name their creation 歪竜: the name itself really suck at selling the idea. 魔竜 would make more sense...

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Drkz: you put the Soukoku opening in the OP instead of the kokakou one -_-... (I really liked it though, how can you resist Akira's shirt tugging scene if there weren't other strong candidates like the Lily-clone and Mehisha)

(I am still sad there isn't a true Atori end: although their reunion in the real world was really heart warming)

(damn you for uncovering some of my old wounds)

[Key Board]

Also who is the guy smart enough to name their creation 歪竜: the name itself really suck at selling the idea. 魔竜 would make more sense...



he want market how twisted they.

Look how DARK and EDGY they are. Totally non-mainstream and better than those other bright colored dragons

Also the element is anti-almighty. So DEEP and Shakespearean

[Flying Dagger]

god fuck I got my ass handed to me.

Ok, so for some reason in my 1st two runs iskandar and his three musketeers refused to declare war on me (they are supposed to war for the tech... but never happened).

Now that I am on Orfan route, i decided to go invade Yun Gasol... apparently the three chained battles still occur.

So ok, battle 1: fight the three musketeers+7 armies, got that one barely meeting time limit due to runners.

battle 2: king comes to join, was doing better on time but had two guys running away with 10 seconds left... i threw a pair of +speed boots on Lacrille (lightning girl) and managed to snipe them off LAST SECOND right as they make a turn with a nuke... phew....

battle 3: my now armyless Weiss+Aru+Liselle vs three musketeers with 7 more armies behind their back...

how the fuck am I supposed to survive that when my guys are ~lv22 and the three musketeer units are lv30??? (the victory condition is not to kill the king but to kill EVERYTHING)

I cannot solo the armies with only 3 units, usually i rely heavily on withdrawing while other units jump right into battle. This is one of the annoying things about this game: the non-named commanders are lv17 while the heroes are lv30 or even higher. So the normal armies are just pure cannon fodders while the name enemies have too high stats for me to handle. XP is also an issue and I don't want to abuse the +xp accessories.

FML. I think I am screwed.

[Drkz]

Drkz: you put the Soukoku opening in the OP instead of the kokakou one -_-... (I really liked it though, how can you resist Akira's shirt tugging scene if there weren't other strong candidates like the Lily-clone and Mehisha)

(I am still sad there isn't a true Atori end: although their reunion in the real world was really heart warming)

(damn you for uncovering some of my old wounds)

I have them both. You crazy can you not see.

ALL THAT HARD WORK FOR A INVISIBLE GLASS CANNON WOMEN. WHY? DEF. SO. BAD. COME ON IT HAD 100+ parts of different monsters :frustrated:.

Its a lie. I DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY WITH DOLLS :frustrated:.

[Flying Dagger]

TL;DR!

I am gonna try the battle again... Since the game is trying to cheese me out, I am gonna cheese it back by employing a spirit tank against their very physical heavy lineup for the first two battles and save Weiss/Aru/Liselle for the last fight.

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Finished battle 1 with only spirit tank's armies taking full casualties.

Somewhere in Eushully office:
"Guys, I think we tuned some of the fights too hard"
"but what do we do? We are out of time to retune the game!"
"lets just make spirits take only 1% dmg from physical attacks and call it a day"
"while at it, lets give that spirit a cheap 20cost AoE snare as well as the invulnerability to snares as well"

(additional note: if you place your spirit tank in the range of someone equipped with monks, the monk's attacks basically heal up that one damage the spirit take from phys attacks)

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Battle 2: No casualties as well... 3rd fight is going to be everything... Weiss is using the heavy armored lancers with their insane defense stat (but slowass speed) and lets up Liselle and Aru can do their job...

[Drkz]

Just use the Assassin monster... you made her for a reason didn't you?

[Flying Dagger]

I didnt make the 100 step fusion, takes too long. I am using the Dead Warrior Spirit thing because its the best spirit I have around atm.

The 3rd battle is restricted to only Weiss Aru and Liselle (all @ lv22-24.. gained some lvls last 2 battles) vs lv30 musketeers+7 armies.

I even loaded my guys with some of the best equipment I can salvage... stuff like elemental seals would add a good boost to damage against the right units.

Lets hope I don't have to fight Iskandar afterwards.

(I am very hesitant in deploying fusioned monsters as they tend to be way too OP for the game: spirits alone break the game)

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Wow not good weissboy got annihilated.

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Ok, maybe picking off some of the "trash mobs" for moral was a bad idea as it gave them more moral than it gave me. Much better if I just rush them heads on while one of my deployment towers (you get 3) tank the spare army.

fuck, lost cuz they sent engineers all over and they come with the skill to destroy buildings while attacking.

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Phew, finally got it... those engineer guys are really annoying: they have quite a bit of health and starts retreating around ~150HP. I just save up moral and use Weiss to knock them back twice when they start running (the moral recovery accessory helped a ton)... Given that I really can only kill one at a time. 4 seconds left on timer.

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The siege on the capital is so much easier: it was the king, the blue hair girl, maybe 2 squads of heavy armored lancers and the rest are just siege weapons.
The annoying bit is the catapult wall they got which raped Weiss in my 1st attempt. But seem like if I hug the edge of the map he will be out of range of the catapults: so I used Liselle to attack the gate (its actually quite weak)+draw out enemies (the catapults also do Earth dmg which Liselle takes only 1% dmg from).

How anticlimatic. I still feel as if I cheated by using a spirit in fight 1 and 2.

[Key Board]

god fuck I got my ass handed to me.

Ok, so for some reason in my 1st two runs iskandar and his three musketeers refused to declare war on me (they are supposed to war for the tech... but never happened).

You have to make said weapons first
go the quest hub and complete every quest that is marked as important.
on Eida's route you will have to make around 5 or 6 kinds of tanks

after that, let a turn pass and Rune will say something about fulfilling the agreement with Yun Gasul
go to the map screen and scroll left where Eida's city is. You will see a star icon. Click that and the event will began.
Also, a warning about Orfan's route. If your route to the dragon girl's domain is sealed, you will not be able to finish the game properly.

[Flying Dagger]

I did that: in my NG+ run I finished every quest as soon as I got them but the war still did not trigger. Went through the whole "which musketeer for you like?" thing as well.

Didn't know about the dragon girl part, since I began with new data I couldnt do the 1v1 fight. Guess I need to go with a traditional conquest before its too late.

[Key Board]

As I've said, you need to go to Eida's town (not your capital) and click the event icon there

If you do that, war will trigger

[Mahou]

Yup, the (offical) war with Yun Gasol triggers after the meeting with Eida, in which the trio and King want to participate as well, and/or a few turns afterwards.

In general:
I have blitzed through the game so far, thanks to a savefile with high-level units. Of course, I wouldn't normally be so cheap on my first run, but Madou Koukaku isn't on my must-play list and I just wanted a rough layout of the VN. I can safely state that on a normal/fair first run I probably would have been overstrained with all the different gameplay aspects and/or army mangement (-> I horribly fail at RTS games, so no big surprise) + let's not forget all the military kanji + terminology X_X. However, the OST seems enjoyable and the female is mostly likeable.

[Flying Dagger]

I think I clred Eida's events and still didn't get a war (don't have save anymore). Got her drunk event and her scene as well but no war.

Control is not bad with spacebar spam for pauses: its very difficult to play this like a regular RTS without unit section keys (who is the smart guy that implement previous/next unit bind to mousewheel but does not bind your units to 1 2 and 3?)

[Drkz]

Yup, the (offical) war with Yun Gasol triggers after the meeting with Eida, in which the trio and King want to participate as well, and/or a few turns afterwards.

In general:
I have blitzed through the game so far, thanks to a savefile with high-level units. Of course, I wouldn't normally be so cheap on my first run, but Madou Koukaku isn't on my must-play list and I just wanted a rough layout of the VN. I can safely state that on a normal/fair first run I probably would have been overstrained with all the different gameplay aspects and/or army mangement (-> I horribly fail at RTS games, so no big surprise) + let's not forget all the military kanji + terminology X_X. However, the OST seems enjoyable and the female is mostly likeable.

Thats no fun... Well the game isn't overall difficult. Its just a epic pain in the beginning, you'll need to use your brain to manage. Its like what dagger said. Its pretty anti-climatic mid-end game. I already found a way to abuse the game :heh:. But mentioning it wouldn't be fun. The only pain is that fucking book. Eushully really loves those quest don't they? GO FETCH ME SOMETHING. YET THAT THING NEVER APPEARS :frustrated:.

[Key Board]

I honestly suck at RTS

but I think this game is just unfriendly when it comes to user interaction

also, unlike you typical RTS, units in this game do no respond when attacked. You have to do it manually

if one of your units is facing the wrong direction, it will keep facing the wrong direction and eat enemy attacks passively until you correct it.

this can be very annoying in huge group skirmishes

[Mahou]

I think I clred Eida's events and still didn't get a war (don't have save anymore). Got her drunk event and her scene as well but no war.


Did you see all scenes with the masked man, including when the 3 ladies visit you at your capital until the point where Weiss and he exchange a certain promise?
Otherwise, the jp. wiki states that the flags for the true history (if that's the path you follow) can still fail if, for example, Garmus' trust(?) isn't high enough, yet.

[Drkz]

Nah this isn't really like a rts... its a SLG. Simulation game. I can't attack with mass probes! So it can't be a rts! Man my skeleton bumrush backfired so horribly...

[Flying Dagger]

Really, I feel as if this game really tempts you into "abusing" some of their mechanics at times.
I have conquered:
Ranaheim (southwest)
Yun Gosal (East)
Rune elf place (Northeast)
half way through the north marshal's lands.

and my highest character right now is Weiss and Aru at low lv30s, with a ton of other characters sitting around the lv25 range. Yet, boss type enemies I fight at at the high lv30 range... and some of the "trash mobs" like archer armies are still at the lv18ish mark...

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Aru's magician costume with its 90 moral meteor nuke (which causes friendly fire) is like the ultimate runner killer.

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Nah this isn't really like a rts... its a SLG. Simulation game. I can't attack with mass probes! So it can't be a rts! Man my skeleton bumrush backfired so horribly...

If you are losing battles using spirits and undead tanks you are doing something wrong :p

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As I mentioned, half of the fun is in the simcity aspect. It takes time to get used to the control of the game (I play a lot of starcraft so my native instinct needs to be rerouted).
I wonder how hard the game is in easy mode... as I played the trial I jumped straight into hard but still enjoyed all the bumps and trials I had to conquer.

Did you see all scenes with the masked man, including when the 3 ladies visit you at your capital until the point where Weiss and he exchange a certain promise?
Otherwise, the jp. wiki states that the flags for the true history (if that's the path you follow) can still fail if, for example, Garmus' trust(?) isn't high enough, yet.

What I did and get:
- Garmus (iskandar clone) at max loyalty and I leveled him up to 37 in NG+ run
- Talked with all 3 musketeers in my keep, was asked who I liked the most
- Finished all tech development ASAP, from Aru costumes, to Lune's silly toys such as her ride and washers. Talked to Eida, got her scene.

The only problem I think I might be running into is that I keep letting Bell die (was unsure what choices to go for), so I guess I keep running into premature ends.

Loyalty to all units are maxed out.

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Anyone else think ノイアス (the evil spirit) sound a lot like some old pedophile?

//

I think I am close to ending the orphan route: it feels harder than before since there will be inevitable multi-direction wars and battles.

[Drkz]

I told you! Skeletons. Not undead just skeletons! Now to bumrush with monstergirls! Although it'd fail horribly too :(.

[Key Board]

I don't think skeletons are ever good in Eushully games

my spirit tank in Eushully games is usually this guy

http://i.imgur.com/JcFxfjs.png

[Flying Dagger]

Yeah that is what I use for that one fight, the warrior spirit: to quote myself

Somewhere in Eushully office:
"Guys, I think we tuned some of the fights too hard"
"but what do we do? We are out of time to retune the game!"
"lets just make spirits take only 1% dmg from physical attacks and call it a day"
"while at it, lets give that spirit a cheap 20cost AoE snare as well as the invulnerability to snares as well"


That guy is absolutely broken, which is why I don't normally use any fusioned monster as commanders (I use them as units). Put those things in range of a monk's attacks and it will heal back to full after taking any physical dmg.

//

I dunno why but I spitted the water I was drinking when Naruka asked Weiss to teach her how to cook.

[Drkz]

Pretty much. Skeletons and Orcs are pretty much canon fodder. BUT THEY LOOK COOL SO WHY NOT?!

[Key Board]

Orcs were one of the best units in Himegari

low cost
good HP
shield
ninja orcs.. seriously.. ninja orcs..

//

[Flying Dagger]

Just made my dragon in orphan's route: so far I am liking this more than my premature Edia ends where I defeat Orphan and game ends.

Going to try for true route next with fresh save again. Killing dragon girl is going to be a pain, might have to abuse +xp accessory while delaying her duel as much as possible.

[PhoenixG]

I think I clred Eida's events and still didn't get a war (don't have save anymore). Got her drunk event and her scene as well but no war.

Control is not bad with spacebar spam for pauses: its very difficult to play this like a regular RTS without unit section keys (who is the smart guy that implement previous/next unit bind to mousewheel but does not bind your units to 1 2 and 3?)

Although you can just box all the units (hold the right button, instead the left >.>), but I agree that the controls are iffy.

Is it just me or does anyone else spend quite some time before ending each turn? Or an I just a control freak?

[Flying Dagger]

At the start of a turn I usually check for new events and quests.

Then I save and attack something, check its defenses, then reload if needed if I need to min/max elemental strengths and weaknesses.

Then I make sure that I am using all my tactics, such as population growth, +mining, +gathering, all my new towns are building, buildings are upgraded if needed.

///
Managed to conquer dragon kingdom without cheesing the fight (ie: sending a siege weapon right at their keep through the air route)

I cheesed it this time by using Nefka (reaper kokakou) to tank with Magaretta and Elfitisia DPSing.

How it works:
It is important to equip nefka with leggings which enables her to fly as well as using griffin warriors. You want to pull Ar Ciel along with the two other dragons (easily done by using flight) so Ar Ciel will be the one consuming their moral for the protection spell. Really do not want to deal with the AoE nuke from the ice dragon esp when I am using fire-based troops.

Both Magaretta and Elfitisia have a healing breath skill which allows them to heal commanders within their attack region every second. While in defensive formation, Nefka's troops will only be taking 1 damage per hit due to her iron-wall formation's significant boost in defense.

Margaretta using monks which have healing breath III, combined with her base breath II skill forms breath V.
Elfitisia comes with breath IV at lv30.

I think the skills stack, so together they heal for 10+8=18hp per second in their target area.
Both of them uses the +magic cast speed accessory for the extra damage boost (does not affect healing breath healing).

Ar Ciel went down effortlessly (I was surprised how smoothly it went). The ice dragon survived though (bad position on my part: ar ciel moves really quickly) and nuked Nefka once and almost killed her off: good thing Elfitisia comes with a 100% heal.

All units used are ~35. Ice dragon is lv48 and I believe Ar Ciel herself is 47.


http://i.imgur.com/Tz09gJ9.jpg


Final challenge with be the two lv49 red dragons with 100 attack with AoE fire nuke (it really doesnt help that I am using a fire-day to do this since I am using a lot of fire troops). Can either be cheesed by using anti-all types to tank. I drew them close to my deployment tower after I broke their initial defensive formation (time limit) and sacrificed units onto them while nuking them with ranaheim him's frost attack whenever I get the moral.

This is one of the tougher battles out there where I have access to my whole army. The other one being Heishira's but her earth-based elemental attacks are much much easier to deal with using liselle to tank. (This fight has a good mix of physical, all-elemental, and elemental nukes which makes it hard)

//

The Weiss vs North Marshall's 1v1 fight is next: I don't see any good way to win the fight -_-
I managed to wipe off his army of heavy lancer knights using Mikos (they have average physical armor and good holy-based attack), but the Marshall himself has exceptional health, attack and defense...... sighhhhh...

//

I tried cheesing with palace mages (fire attacks) and the +7 range accessory. It worked at first as I can easily kite the north marshal around until he lost his formation and which he just ran right on top of my ass like some mad bull on steroids...

Since he share the same element as his knights, its not like I can snipe him without breaking the formation either...


What is not shown is that the old man wears a pair of rocket boots preventing you from kiting him once he lose his formation.
http://i.imgur.com/pXDzKd4.jpg


//

I wonder if I should try kiting with speed accessory of my own too hmm.... no wait your units slow down a ton when they are attacking... need a better plan sigh...


//

Now I am stuck at sieging Eida's capital: I easily run out of time if I don't cheese.
Lune is a giant pain in the ass to deal with since she heals everyone back up to full -_-.
Need to just be very efficient: maybe kill Eida along with the god-typed girl without pulling Lune. Once the two are down (should take ~40 seconds), I should be able to overpower Lune whether she likes it or not.

Lemme first try using South Marshal's seal ability and see if that will neutralize Lune's heals.

//
Managed to win fight by tanking god typed girl next to a deployment tower, rotating tanks while keeping Aru just barely in range to attack, and having elfitisia out for healing breath passive heals+dps. Moral is used solely for Aru's nukes.

Took only ~20 seconds to kill her. Swapped out Aru for Lacrille (white hair warrior girl) for her lightning nukes. Chose to kill both Eida and Lune at the same time. (seems like eida's ultimate has a higher priority compared to Lune's).

I had 10 seconds left when a giant gunship popped out. I literally just ran every soft caster units I had at it for moral while I nuked it down with Lacrille's lightning nuke... (good thing I leveled her up right before the fight expecting to face a lot of madou weapons). Had around 3 seconds left... I am cutting this way too close.


I think the battle can be won a lot easier if I chose to employ high level spirit tanks... or maybe not... because a good part of the tactic is to let the tanks take damage while a nuker kills things off.

//

Oh fuck you mean there is a fight right after this against the undead king? wtf... my armies are nonexistent due to my suicidal tactic on that last gunship....

//

Phew, the fight was easier than I thought: good thing I still have the purple hair chick alive with a full squad of fire mages. Having Lune join as the 2nd caster dps. I just camp right next to my tower and let them kill off my tanks 1 by 1 while I kill off the undead king...

[Key Board]

I won by using mages
Garmus has low mag defense
They should wipe out his squad and do considerable damage to him
After they were wiped, I fought Garmus one on one
You should with the attrition if you have a health regen equipment, but barely

Also if you don't have enough command points it's better to use a lower tier mage squad
In general it's better to have a full 9 man squad rather than say, a 7 man squad that has a few more attack points

oh yeah, if charges in after being reduced to one man switch to defensive formation. This way he will still be on your squad's firing zone

[Flying Dagger]

I have been using the fire mages (palace mages) all along: even though I can only use 8 of those, they still have more HP than a full squad of the mage a rank below.

The self healing accessories have been sucking for me: I don't see a reason to use them at all since they heal so slow (3hp/tick). I guess they are good when I am not taking 40 damage per attack. Might as well as use a shield which reduces damage by 12.

I decided to go with a DPS route with the passion V accessory: +100hp, +50% damage but -100% defense (lol).

and...

fuck: I got really close~

http://i.imgur.com/iDCDBPd.jpg


I would have had it if
a) I got a little more time (have to kill off his tower to prevent retreating)
b) if he didn't kill me off with his ultimate right after I used mine on him.

Downranked Weiss back to the East Marshal for the damaging ultimate and the knockback as a tool of escape.

Swapped to the 15% cash back accessory for 60 damage per ultimate. I think I am better off just using the passion V accessory and see if it makes my ultimate hit harder.

//Nope: that modifier does not affect ultimate attacks.

//

ANDDDDD
he is dead :)


http://i.imgur.com/ZTKMI8q.jpg

(I swapped to a +attack power accessory for last 2 ultimates: he will have recharged his after I land my first hit but my ultimate has a slightly longer range as his is centered from the middle of his body, while mine is slightly in front of Weiss)

I bought myself around 5 seconds by weakened his heavy lancers while kiting him away from his base. Once they are about half health I quickly ran over to his tower and destroy it. He quickly killed off my mages with his ultimate and got my Weiss down to 150 hp. I then kiting him back to my deployment tower for healing.

The rest is just DPSing with Passion accessory then landing ultimates after I swapped to 15% moral back and using that knockback to retreat into my tower.

Whoever designed the fight on hard mode had it tuned down to the dot. Reminds me of 1% wipes in WoW.

//

While stuff like elemental accessories, attack speed accessories, etc are applied after defense is calculated, I suspect the passion accessory boost your attack stat before defense is applied, which can make it one of the most powerful yet risky accessory for your ranged units.

//

..and thats the end of the orfan route. This feels much harder than what I have experienced so far with so many relatively close fights where I struggle with the timer.

[Mahou]

What I read in spoilers about the true history route was pretty depressing and not something I'd consider a true route. But, then again, I'm used to happy true routes so Eushully might handle those stuff generally the opposite.

Anyway: In my savegame file I realized that I completely missed all dwarven events and decided to try a new game with no level and clone units to carry over. Yet, seeing that leveling is somewhat restricted by one of each free battles each turn, I wonder how to efficently handle it. From my few random tests, it was no problem to level Weiss up (with Marwen Necklace to make it even more crazy :heh:), but that leaves Liesel and and friends mostly with the minimal +5 experience.

From what I've gathered on information Weiss (who has furthermore his solo fights against the dragon leader), Liesel and Aru are among the main powerhouses thus leaving the other units in the worst case without the needed training (unless you send them to the normal training battles instead of the tasty Hetare battles as long as you can only access hetare 1 and training battle 1 + 2).

[Flying Dagger]

Strong units are really dependent on your playstyle.

For example, I like to run 1 melee tank + 2 ranged DPS. So the tank up front really only needs strong defense. Of course, you can't just let one guy do everything because of elemental weaknesses.

Marwen's necklace is really broken since it makes the hetare battles give ~400 xp each (~550 if you use monsters with hardwork skill/if character comes with it). Since this game doesn't give you a penalty for using those, I use them to level up my lowbie characters (ie: corona, who is too squishy to be used realisticly: she is good vs casters if they are shooting at your tank but thats about it). Abusing that will make the game "too easy".

I did have to abuse it with Weiss though. Since I am doing a True Route clear and the battle with dragon girl is mandatory (else it blocks your progression), I had to power level him up to 27 and just "barely" beat her.

Outside of that, as you might have read my wall of texts about struggles with the game, I actually don't mind a majority of battles where I am severely underleveled: it really gives a sense of accomplishment afterwards.

//

Units I like:
Elfitisia/margaretta (Eren de Mail/queen of light): they act as powerful healers and can really keep your tank alive. They come with decent control and act as powerful ranged DPS as well. Mostly used in defensive battles or where time isn't that big of a concern.

The dolls: Once the dolls get higher ranked parts they become very powerful. This is similar to kamidori where the heroines have costumes which acted as a giant stat stick for the characters.

Meimei and dark elf queen can use spirits and come with archer formation, which are somewhat easier to use than magic formation though a little weaker.

I personally don't mind Liselle to be that big of a powerhouse. Madou gunners's omni attacks do full damage against almost everything but she also do not receive elemental bonuses. Those gunners also have a rather ridiculous command cost. Her AoE buff while great, is also overshadowed by elemental nukes or Bell's AoE steroid buff.

btw, the ring which gives the passion skill is exceptional for ranged DPS: as long as you can keep them out of harm's way, its essentially a free +damage buff.

//
I just noticed nefka and bell has got no toes.
//


Dwarven events only require you to send them aid to trigger them right (what I read)? I have been missing those as well...

[Drkz]

NUKE THEM ALL. Magic the imba of all things gaming.

[Hemisphere]

What I read in spoilers about the true history route was pretty depressing and not something I'd consider a true route. But, then again, I'm used to happy true routes so Eushully might handle those stuff generally the opposite.

Rule of thumb is that true routes are generally depressing in Eushully games.

ZERO true route: Celica wanders alone with Haishera but has no recollections of his past and only a faint inkling of his promise with Astrea.
Genrin 2 true route: Louie unites Resperant and ends the war but loses his soulmate in the process, leaving him desperate.

And such. They may not be to your liking, but I like them considering the scope and scale of the stories involved, and mostly because they're reminiscent of Greek tragedies, particularly with the whole "with great victory comes a great cost" mindset.

[Flying Dagger]

I have a theory:
Aru is supposed to be reincarnate as an elf some day.
Therefore, Weiss will have meimei bear him many children, although halfelven, there may still be a chance one of them end up to be Aru.

Beside, halfelves are hawt.

Almost done with true route, need to power level characters to unlock routes :(.

//

I really do *not* want Weiss to go fucking the dolls in an append. I really cannot imagine Aru moaning at all... while Nefka may end up with Weiss (as Orfus will die), as well as Lune (well... Eida), Bell seem to have pretty strong bonds with Garmus.

[Hemisphere]

I really do *not* want Weiss to go fucking the dolls in an append.

Oh god...Seinarukana fandisc nightmares bubbling back to the surface...no more thumbelina fuckings, please, someone end the pain...

[Mahou]

Rule of thumb is that true routes are generally depressing in Eushully games.

ZERO true route: Celica wanders alone with Haishera but has no recollections of his past and only a faint inkling of his promise with Astrea.
Genrin 2 true route: Louie unites Resperant and ends the war but loses his soulmate in the process, leaving him desperate.

And such. They may not be to your liking, but I like them considering the scope and scale of the stories involved.

Thanks, that's useful to know. Seems like a deal of it required personal sacrifices for a greater good. I agree, though, that such ends are likely totally fine or compatible with the in-verse setting and such and I respect that :). Reminds me kinda of Hatsuyuki Sakura (different genre, though) and its meloramatic ending.

Dwarven events only require you to send them aid to trigger them right (what I read)? I have been missing those as well...
Ah, I think I overread that part in midst of all the jp. wiki texts. Just like how I only realized turns later that there are, indeed, event icons on the world map itself despite of having already encountered them before.

As for append-sex: Weiss and dolls would seem somewhat weird. Gimme a Liesel ending for the true history and more scenes with Air/Ea? Cial (dragon lady).

In general: Aru's voice and speech pattern was at first a bit getting used to, though I love Nefka's voice. The events of Neneka were within the setting cute as well, except maybe sexmagic to break the memory seal. Kinda funny that she has with a few others more normal h-scenes than other ones like dragon lady or Eida with one scene each (I have chosen your route afterall, dang it *lol*). Another for Lacrile after she "warmed up" more to Weiss (like after the ghost of Ranaheim's king joined) would be a nice-to-have as well.

[Drkz]

Oh god...Seinarukana fandisc nightmares bubbling back to the surface...no more thumbelina fuckings, please, someone end the pain...

So is Serawi considered true route than? :confused::confused: The most depressing route out of them all.

Unless the dolls somehow become humanish... thats just wrong.

[Hemisphere]

I meant to say in general, because Kamidori's an exception. What with that godawful writing and excuse for a story and all.

[Drkz]

Lol. So whats considered true route in Sokoku? Other than Atori I can't think of anyone else. Oh wait blonde. At the end of her route you don't get a end or a fin.

Append Disc. What we will get. Maids! More Sauna scenes! Voiced Hashiera! AND A LILY IN DOLL FORM. HURRRAY.

[Hemisphere]

Atori's didn't really count as a route. It was more like a bonus treat especially to those craving for some more of the Dir=Lyfna we all knew and loved (even if Aterial did mess up some of the lore and had a more shounen tone than usual).

That and Gilgamesh expy. You can never go wrong with a Gilgamesh expy.

It'd be hilarious if an append comes out that has you facing off against Maou Emilio and Lily.

[Drkz]

I want to see Shuuya vs Enuch Shuuya. You think it can happen?

[Flying Dagger]

Wait... serawi route is true route wtf? As much as I hate emelita, her route is best route. A mix of all routes can work out too, either way the afterstory in kamidori is prob the "main plot".

Given what people have said about eushully lore, kamidori's story is god awful. Its all flowers and roses, lets save the environment and get along together and be best friends forever... ack

Soukoku: prob the devil/harem route is true route. There isn't an "end" frame like the other two routes, and the devil route leads nicely into the birth of the new world. Mehisha's ascendance I read is also vaguely recorded in other Eushully workds.

But then... Atori's "reunion" can only be obtained from the angel route, while I think dreamland ties in with the events of the human route (esp the part where hagenti, as the mysterious voice, kills off the teacher).



I can totally see eushully doing something similar to arterial force blade where you get scenes with the four dolls. It will most likely be one of Lune's crazy madou machines which opens up quests to this alternate world...)

[Hemisphere]

I think all that environmental crusading has warped Drkz's mind into thinking Seraui route is true route.

Because we all know Hannah route is true route (god she needs a route - and no, despite whatever is said, I will continue to let the deluded fantasy of Hannah being the lovechild of Himegari's Sylphine and Emilio fester in my mind la la la la i can't hear you).

I think I'll need to brush up because I totally don't remember that part with Mehisha and her connection to previous titles. Mind clarifying it a bit?

[Drkz]

You know. I rarely used Hannah... I usually had Koha nuke everything to death. Lune = Hannah in doll form. Lune = Most lewd?

I personally found Emelita's route easily predictable...

Fine you win Hemi. RAGS = TRUE ROUTE. HAHAHAHA. They need to bring back the three head angel... now that was a cool looking sprite.

Harem/Dick = True Route. ALL THE 2D FEMALE BELONG TO ME! I know someone who calls Harem/Conqueror the dick route hahaha.

[Flying Dagger]

I haven't played the earlier games myself so I don;t know the exact details, but I think it was mentioned elsewhere about the forming of a god or something "in the past".

I actually still like melo more despite her being utterly useless >lv30.

//
I think Aru is more lewd: she repeatedly asked liselle for "upgrades".
For me Lune is more like the loli of the dolls, she is always cheerful and fun to be around.

[Hemisphere]

Ofc Rags is true route. Who wouldn't want a pet co◯◯sl◯◯e Shinigami around with them 24/7? That is, until you ninja edited your post. Cursessssssssss.

Conquering Dick routes have always been hilarious, even in the past Eushully games. They're just so juvenile and full-on ero that it's hard not to crack up laughing (and that's why they're always a sort of in-joke bonus played straight every time). I SAW, I CONQUERED, I CAME (repeatedly).

Formation of a god, huh. I'll have to look into that (or have Key Board remind me of what it is I'm stupidly forgetting once again, てへぺろ～☆).

I want an Atori of my own. I wanna pet her, feed her some nice snacks, and play fetch with her! Then when I'm stressed out I can have her roll over so I can rub her tummy!

[Flying Dagger]

Here is a plus to the harem route: SoA characters are mostly pretty likable so its really hard for me to pick one.

Soukoku devil route's end really made me :O
"did I just saved the world by fucking a newly formed god and made her my sex slave?"

[Drkz]

My brain isn't functioning. I'm lagging and the post function decides to not like me. I NEED MOAR RAGS. Not asomo. I liked the three-headed angel boss though. That was pretty cool.

I wonder if they'll bring any Soukoku characters. I mean that loli-witch would make a good captain don't you think? I remember people asking why she didn't get a route. My answer was. YOU WANT A POLAR BEAR ROUTE? DO YOU? Eushully should release a fighter... so should alicesoft. Alice Senki just feels weird.

BUT SERIOUSLY. WHERE ARE MAH MAIDS. I WANT A MAID ARMYYYYY.


"did I just saved the world by fucking a newly formed god and made her my sex slave?"

Who was the god? I don't remember any gods...

Nevermind I remember now. Too bad you had to share though. Ironically she gets a power boost in both Angel and Devil HAH.

[Hemisphere]

Here is a plus to the harem route: SoA characters are mostly pretty likable so its really hard for me to pick one.

Soukoku devil route's end really made me :O
"did I just saved the world by fucking a newly formed god and made her my sex slave?"

Don't worry, that feeling's normal. Celica's dick alone has tamed so many powerful beings that it's hard to keep track at this point. Think of it as an initiation of some sorts - "You know you've played a Eushully title when-".

I wouldn't mind having a Mehisha myself. Mmmmmmm.

Also I only liked two, three characters from SoA: Atori and Mehisha, with Sayane coming close I guess (Yakuri art banza~i).

Be careful what you wish for, Drkz. Sure you might get a maid army...only to find out that they're all nasu. And then there's no turning back.

[Flying Dagger]

Wasn't mehisha proceeding towards godhood in devil route? She literally 1 shotted the leader of the devils.

Well, we can have 1 AP of maids, 1 AP of cameos, 1 AP of dollsex....

You know eushully is out of time for this title when they didn't add maids in any shape or form.

//

I actually don't think cameo commanders from Kamidori or soukoku would be that good. They would most likely be stuck using fusioned monsters, and most of the melee ones really suck: I mostly only use the casters against elemental weaknesses.

[Hemisphere]

I find your fascination with dollsex intriguing. *jots down some more notes*

They were definitely pressed for time with this one, but thankfully it's improved over the trial!

[Drkz]

The angel who wasn't such a angel. HAH.

Maid army shall be imba. Because eushully maids are OP!!!

They should bring back Meshia so you can verify your theory hahaha. Only problem is you Shuuya beats her and takes all her power away. Than you get the dick ending.

Eroge can never be approved! Only appended!

[Flying Dagger]

Oh no I am not that fascinated with dollsex, just very surprised they did not add that into the game. I am more of an angelsex guy...

Eushully chan will most likely have archer formation, black eushully with magic formation, while Eukleia with one of the improved melee formations... anastasia... maybe beast formation (which I find to be way too painful to use.

Unsure where they can add the new "land" on the map. The leftover areas around the edges of the map are too inaccessible: either to the far west (but if you go orfus route it will be a pain to defend those), or far east... but by the time you conquered light nation it would be end game.

Would like to see soukoku cameos, but I think a deterring factor would be the lack of voices (ie: eushully cant get the original VAs to voice the cameos, so they may scrap the idea).

[Drkz]

Hm... good point. We'll see. They should bring back Lily. Lily is fun and broken!

[Flying Dagger]

And to think: a lv1 lily can get title changes at lv15 and 30!
I wish they will add more types of ultimate attacks, most are just buffs/debuffs or damage spells. Something like a low cost knockback, pull (pulls runners towards you!), complete snare (do units cannot move!) are easily doable.

Nefka's formation break is pretty cute (very useful vs mages), but the "strong attack" spell already does something like that (used by most trash commanders).

Liselle really needs a new ultimate: something like, summon a turret in place that shoots you enemies.

//

I realize why I love using Bell so much: not only does she have some of the best combat stats out of the dolls (though her attacks are physical), and her buffs turn all the affected unit into walking bosses, she has the warrior womenly voice that past eushully angels had.

[Hemisphere]

That's right, it's all about the angels. Mmmmmm.

[Mahou]

Even though it's a bit sad that there's no real angel in Madou Koukaku, I'll glady take Ea Ciel as a replacement. The bgm of her last event battle was quite nice and her last CG together with Weiss was very lovely :). And the optional? ending scene with Felano was by itself also awww-inducing. Quite the big change from her former assassin job against Weiss :heh:.

Seriously, most female interactions were quite good -> Corona, Liesel, Neneka and Alfimia and the two I mentioned above, except the smex as punishment (for non-rape scenes, that is).

[Hemisphere]

What? No real angels?!

Brb torches and pitchforks, this means war! Having no angels to corrupt and slowly mind break play patty cake with is no fun!

[Flying Dagger]

Lacrille still my favorite with her screams :)
Really like the development of Margaretta as well. She gets a decent bit of attention.

Going to finally unlock the three musketeers later today, lets see how their interactions go...

//

Trying to rip that third world map music from the game and find that its one of those things that are much better when played in a loop and not just by itself due to not having a proper end.

[Key Board]

dragon girl was disappointing

granted Ranaheim, Zafuha and Anneloth weren't relevant to the plot either.

but dragon girl was just.. there...

happens in every Eushully game I guess..

[Flying Dagger]

not surprised that anneloth and zafuha are not involved, but Ranaheim being the magic driven kingdom should have a lot more say imo.

Ofc, I think the underlying problem is that those nations can just be downright conquered with characters either killed off or enslaved, so they can't really get too involved.

Though it would be nice to see more of everyone during true route end.

[Key Board]

you'd think long lived dragons would be involved or at least know about the black drop and madoukaku creation

but it turns out, it's an exclusively elven and dwarven run conspiracy

speaking of which, why exactly did the dark moon goddess make the black drop again? aside from being a total dick?
and what's stopping her from this this again?

//

[Mahou]

Eifelia :sad:! Damn you bittersweet ending, gimme my route-girl back!
On the bright side: Neneka's ending is *hnnghhh*. Yet, I don't remember a scene that the dwarven leader died nor that the elven leader's talk of reincararnation of Aru (and her sacrifice I've heard people mentioning), unless these scenes were shown sometimes before the ending itself.

@participation of characters: I didn't follow the story much as I'm terrible with that kind of vocabulary. But, the finale was really just about Weiss, Eifelia -> magic weapon and the dolls. The other characters/countrie seemed somehow just to add more units to the roster or let's call it "temporary story". Okay, there's still Garms, who "introduced" that effing ghost-thingy Noias and elven and dwarven for background, but even the latter two didn't make an appearance during the showdown like some ancient pew-pew or so. Zafuha was soley there to have a war with Anneloth and vice versa. And Ranaheim due to Krais' grudge or whatever against Weiss?

[Flying Dagger]

Seem like everyone finished true route... I need to stop slacking and taking my time with sim-city.

Still need to do Conqueror route for the harem scenes. Then in a final run for the game I am going to try to complete as much stuff as possible then find something else to play until my angelsex AP arrives.

Oh I noticed you don't have a scene with the store owner as well, maybe there will be a set of afterstories where you get a 3some with her and margaretta at the same time.

Given what we had in Soukoku, there is also a slight chance in which we get some monster sex, rmb that water girl (yeah I know, the loliangel prob stole all the attention...)?

then mix in some dollsex desu-no?

[Key Board]

Eifelia :sad:! Damn you bittersweet ending, gimme my route-girl back!
On the bright side: Neneka's ending is *hnnghhh*. Yet, I don't remember a scene that the dwarven leader died nor that the elven leader's talk of reincararnation of Aru (and her sacrifice I've heard people mentioning), unless these scenes were shown sometimes before the ending itself.

@participation of characters: I didn't follow the story much as I'm terrible with that kind of vocabulary. But, the finale was really just about Weiss, Eifelia -> magic weapon and the dolls. The other characters/countrie seemed somehow just to add more units to the roster or let's call it "temporary story". Okay, there's still Garms, who "introduced" that effing ghost-thingy Noias and elven and dwarven for background, but even the latter two didn't make an appearance during the showdown like some ancient pew-pew or so. Zafuha was soley there to have a war with Anneloth and vice versa. And Ranaheim due to Krais' grudge or whatever against Weiss?

You didn't get the true ending

Did you fight a giant mech as the final boss? If not, that's not the true ending

The undead general is not the true final boss

[Drkz]

Conqueror route = Best route :D:D:D.

I need a female monster tank :frustrated:. Not using male monsters is such a bad idea :(.

We need more dress up doll options :eyespin:. Eushully make it happen!

But seriously... that old man is such a dick. :frustrated::frustrated::frustrated:

[Flying Dagger]

There are two high growth lv1 mercs that have pretty low upkeep, unlocked at merc shop lv5. The catgirl also wears a pair of pantsu as a hat...

I dunno why but I really love using Bell: her AoE buff is so powerful and she comes with pretty high stats.

I am going to see if I can finish true route tonight, just conquered Yun Gasol, need to finish dwarves and Ar Ciel events, and maybe conquer Heishira too.

AP01 feels really lackluster, even the peeking quests in Soukoku was more fun than that.

[Drkz]

It proves how much they where strapped for time. Maybe they'll improve with the next one. Probably why everyone was surprised that it was so small.

[Flying Dagger]

I just got a crazy idea: when i do my conquer route (I assume you lose out on a lot of recruitment due to taking everyone prisoner), I am going to use a ton of mercs. That's right, I can now have my own fused angel army, my team of elemental spirits, and even dragons to boot.

Fuck income. I wouldn't be needing anything beside stuff to upgrade my merc shop and to build extra monster cages.

//

So like, Bell's buff on a full moon boosted my 50 dmg monk squad led by Lune to something like 120 damage... Heishira melted from its bombardment in just a few seconds :O

That essentially turn every single attack into a nuke of its own.

[Mahou]

You didn't get the true ending

Did you fight a giant mech as the final boss? If not, that's not the true ending

The undead general is not the true final boss

... ... ... :frustrated: I *had* the slight feeling that would be the case, but didn't want to believe it D:.
I was sure to finally have met the necessary requirements. All nations joined me, all Garms quests done including the 1-on1 fight, Bell's quests done, All important quests done. I got the last bundle of Cgs for all the girl's and Garms. Krais joined the fray. All that could be missing is either that I didn't get all dwarven scenes after the leader joined and/or I answered the wrongly during the convo with Aru during their nightly conversation. Guess, I'll wait another bunch of rounds to see if some more events show up.
/checks the jp. wiki

[Hemisphere]

Hopefully that doesn't mean that you'll have to start from scratch in order to hit the actual true route. All that time and effort, orz.

[Flying Dagger]

The choice with North Marshal and Aru is somewhat tricky without a guide as you do not see the immediate effects. The dwarves were also easily missable too.

//

Finally got around to make that last two madou battleships... how the fuck can you lose a war with that abomination? The final dragon you fuse (which require a lot less effort I guess) is nothing compared to your battleship.

Couldn;t finish true route tonight as I wrapped up the last bit of events, hopefully I cleared all flags for true end... Can't wait til I conquer the world using a full monster army.

[PhoenixG]

What? No real angels?!

Brb torches and pitchforks, this means war! Having no angels to corrupt and slowly mind break play patty cake with is no fun!

There is one, but she's working in the brothel

[Key Board]

The choice with North Marshal and Aru is somewhat tricky without a guide as you do not see the immediate effects. The dwarves were also easily missable too.

//

Finally got around to make that last two madou battleships... how the fuck can you lose a war with that abomination? The final dragon you fuse (which require a lot less effort I guess) is nothing compared to your battleship.

Couldn;t finish true route tonight as I wrapped up the last bit of events, hopefully I cleared all flags for true end... Can't wait til I conquer the world using a full monster army.

Ships can't level up, and you can't mass produce them easily

Those twisted dragons on the other hand.. once you fuse them you can just buy them from the merc center. And they have ZERO upkeep. ZERO UPKEEP. Time to zerg rush everyone that is not dead yet.

On the other hand, there's nothing that is better at destroying walls and building than the madou ships.

[Flying Dagger]

Speaking of which I should really buy a dragon and use it to kill orfan...

[Mahou]

I had also yesterday the painful experience to invade a town in Orfan's territory that had the walls with guns on top firing at my poor characters X_X. The good thing was that when the enemy on their turn tried to attack me I didn't have to do anything and let the guns do the work :D.

On another note: I still have no clue why my true-route run failed. I'm also sure that I saw the two scenes with the light-kingdom princess where she treated wounded soldiers and at least one scene with Aru before entering combat. Maybe I also needed for each doll the dialogue pre-battle where Weiss said something like "Let's go *insert doll name*"?
Or my dled savefile was treated as a normal new game, even though I could access all inherited data like money, units, levels, etc (the middle screen section).

[Hemisphere]

I don't think non-recognition of savefiles would be a problem. Maybe it's a missed flag somewhere?

[Key Board]

I had also yesterday the painful experience to invade a town in Orfan's territory that had the walls with guns on top firing at my poor characters X_X. The good thing was that when the enemy on their turn tried to attack me I didn't have to do anything and let the guns do the work :D.

On another note: I still have no clue why my true-route run failed. I'm also sure that I saw the two scenes with the light-kingdom princess where she treated wounded soldiers and at least one scene with Aru before entering combat. Maybe I also needed for each doll the dialogue pre-battle where Weiss said something like "Let's go *insert doll name*"?
Or my dled savefile was treated as a normal new game, even though I could access all inherited data like money, units, levels, etc (the middle screen section).

you probably picked the wrong option when Weisshart and Aru were moon gazing

Edit: Or maybe you are on true history route, but you didn't realize it. Don't rest after beating the undead general.

[Flying Dagger]

Lune's scream when Eida died gets a :O, :O x2'ed when she added the desuno to her sentence.

lets hope I am on the true route.

There is a madou fortress right next to north capital that is a giant pain in the ass to break if you are low lvl, are you referring to that? Anything you deploy would be immediately bombarded by the madou walls: I end up just equipping everyone with mikos (imo they are the best units: they have average physical defense but very high magic defense with decent holy magic damage. Most enemies have lower magic resistances than physical resistances).

//

Phew, the game did not end after the ghost died... was freaked out after narrator started speaking.

[Key Board]

No

It's literally a giant mech, and penultimate final boss of the game

[Flying Dagger]

wow... i nvr knew there are so many hidden areas in the game... the areas to the west and the ones near the middle all opened up. I think I am on true route now that orfus and eida died and I am still playing?

[Key Board]

Yes, you are

You'll have to do 3 more red missions, (you'll know when they come)

then defeat the final boss

[Flying Dagger]

oh wtf... aru just killed off the other dolls... wtf wtf wtf? They are like the core of my army too :O


phew they are repairable... thankfully...

[Mahou]

Phew, finally got the true ending. I'm still unsure what went wrong, but maybe I missed the final event with Eida.
Same as Flying Dagger, I was like "WTF when Aru attacked her sisters. I have to say Eushully did a good job to make Jiltanius(?) a hateable bastard. The only annying factor was the plot-part of "lolz I was expecting what everyone would be doing as you had all danced after my pipe"
And seriously poor Aru. At least she could have a proper farwell with Weiss and that she could also confess her love abeit with a bittersweet aftertaste. I really, really hope there's an append disk with a reunion in her elf-form as it would be a big shame to make Weiss unable to fullfil his promise to her (again). Heck, I'd be fine with a what-if scenario! But then again, Hemisphere already said that Eushully's true ends are always like that :heh:

[Drkz]

I don't think non-recognition of savefiles would be a problem. Maybe it's a missed flag somewhere?

A older save file wouldn't work if the game got patched.


oh wtf... aru just killed off the other dolls... wtf wtf wtf? They are like the core of my army too :O


phew they are repairable... thankfully...



Well technically they're sorta like reincarnated gods in the form of gods... eushully isn't known to let you keep imba characters. Unless your playing a ng+ of course :heh:

[Key Board]

For all we know, she still hasn't reincarnated, but it is implied that it would long after Wil has died. So maybe he'll reincarnate too.

they didn't have an ETA

maybe in Ikusa Megami 3 / Genrin 3 / Kamidori 2 / whatever

speaking of which..

Isn't Louie still looking for Irina's soul? and Celica is still waiting of Astrea's?

I see a pattern here, Eushully

[Flying Dagger]

- The music in the 2nd last final fight (against giant Aru robot) is amazing. I can't stop saying how much I liked the music in the game.


Unlike Louie and esp Celica, Weiss is 100% human though: so he will not have the lifespan to actually wait for it to happen unless the process is super accelerated.

At least Aru did express her love right before she disappears.

Since everyone seem to have scattered at the end of true route, I guess at the very least Liselle gets to stay by Weiss's side. Kind of depressing that the dolls are sealed, I guess Bell sort of got a happy ending?

Weiss looks kind of evil in that black armor. From the sound of the ending narration I suspect history may be rather harsh on him?


I got to say, the story of Kokakou is better than the one in soukoku, which is infinitely better than kamidori's sunshine and rainbow and tree hugging.

//

After finishing true route, other routes just feel really plain...

[Key Board]

according to the ending the other nations feared him at first as a savage general who led a coup and took the throne of the empire for himself

but then he sought to make peaceful diplomatic relationships with his neighbors

they also sent investigation teams to find about about the madoukokaku, the black drop, the giant madou weapon that annihilated Yun Gasul's capital and the divine relic they created to destroy the black drop

in the end they found nothing, and Weisshart censored history

he remained a mystery for years to come

I guess he will reincarnate one day to keep his promise... and maybe fix the present day Melkia post Ikusa Megami 2, because it's really disappointing

[Flying Dagger]

What happened to Melkia post ikusa megami 2? Are normal humans qualified for reincarnation in the future?

//

Well, time to go for harem route using my monster army~

[Hemisphere]

Okay wow. Now that sounds intriguing. Now I'm kinda interested in checking out this game's true route.

Yeah, Louie's still accompanied by his immortal harem and searching for Irina's soul. Celica's still waiting for Astrea's reincarnation so they can reunite, but his is a more vague example, since up to now it's unclear as to whether or not Luna Clear (and her reincarnation after that life) is actually Astrea's reincarnation (because there are way too many hints that point at one or the other in this instance).

Humans are still eligible for reincarnation, as are gods. Shamarra, for example, was reincarnated into Mariniya, and finally got her wish to come true when she became Celica's apostle.

[Flying Dagger]

Will the reincarnation remember memories/see visions of their past life?

[Hemisphere]

See...that's the iffy thing.

For the most part, they are able to remember vague feelings, strong emotions and such that they had (for another person) in their previous life. In the Shamarra-Mariniya example, she expressed a strong fear that Celica would leave her (which is what happened to Shamarra in ZERO, as Celica was going off to fight Astrea's corrupted sister Eidos) and vehemently insisted that she wanted to remain by his side despite his refusal, so I'd say yes, the reincarnated are able to "remember" strong feelings.

But as for remembering actual memories (and correct me if I'm wrong on this part here), it gets a bit hazy because: Luna Clear, for example, is able to remember memories that only Celica and Astrea shared together, but it's never really proven as to whether or not she is the genuine reincarnation of Satia/the goddess Astrea. Some say Astrea's soul split, or her memories were divided, etc.

[Key Board]

What happened to Melkia post ikusa megami 2? Are normal humans qualified for reincarnation in the future?

they barely advanced
the leadership is poor
the government is corrupt

If Weisshart was still alive he would go: "descendants.. I am disappoint"

And yes.. everyone gets reincarnated, you just don't know when..

[Hemisphere]

That and even if Weiss and Aru were reincarnated in the same time, within the same area/vicinity...without something to explicitly remind them of their pasts, they might just spend their lives blissfully ignorant of one another, or of their pasts.

Now that's gonna be horribly bittersweet.

[Flying Dagger]

You just added more bitterness into my already bitter evening from playing true route :(

[Hemisphere]

You just added more bitterness into my already bitter evening from playing true route :(

Life in the Dir=Lyfna lane (pedal to the metal)~

That one was a hypothesis based solely on Celica and Luna Clear's time together; heck, even with the handicap that Celica is Celica (and not a reincarnation and thus would not need any further stimulus in triggering the other party's previous incarnation memories), Luna Clear still had a hard time at remembering the memories between Astrea and Celica, and it still ended in tragedy.

[Key Board]

Oh yeah, regarding the true final boss


His goal was to ultimately wage war against the gods
He realized that as long as there were gods mankind would always be shackled
That's why he wanted to develop madou tech
unlike magic, madou tech is something that is controlled by humans
if you are using magic to fight gods, you are at a severe disadvantage
he wanted to surpass the Gods, but he ironically used the Black Drop, which a manifestation of a God's power to do so. Weisshart points this out.

Even more ironic is that mankind did surpass a god by creating a divine relic called the Thunder Blaze which can destroy the Black Drop, another divine relic. This is something that was thought to be impossible.

In the true history we learn that the reason for the 4 madou koukaku is to seal the Black Drop, because destroying a divine relic that was made by a God was thought to be impossible.

So when you finally destroy the Black Drop, he goes.... WTFFFFFFF!!?????

He didn't regret much, though. He say that history will judge who is right, and the answer will come years after both of them have perished. Until then he will be in hell laughing.


Honestly, I agree with him. Too bad he had to use such dick-ish methods

[Hemisphere]

So...he basically wanted to flip off the Old Pantheon AND the New Pantheon at the same time? Never mind that the last time humans did that, with infinitely more advanced and diabolical biotechnology, they still lost so bad?

Classy.

Naberius is gonna have a fun old time torturing that poor bastard down in the underworld.

[Key Board]

Can't blame him for trying

Gods are assholes in Eushully-verse. Probably as bad as the ones in Shin Megami Tensei
Oh yeah, interestingly enough.. the present madou tech as we know it actually was founded by a Dwarven God
After the war of the 3 gods, he studied various technology of mankinds and artifcial gods and developed Madou Tech from it.

I wonder what the other gods thought of that. They probably gave him a funny look.

//

[Hemisphere]

Excluding the neutral gods (like Thanatos) or the ones who have been sealed and still remember their loss so much that they don't give a flying fuck anymore, yeahhhhh. The majority are pretty bad assholes and jerks.

Barouhart number 1 asshole on the list, and Marsterria comes a close second.

Funny look nothing, that Dwarven God is probably in hiding for his life right now. Knowing how much those gods hate technology...

[Flying Dagger]

Well, I guess the other three madou kokakous are still around

/sad face

Some day when i get bored enough i should go back to the old eushully games, they sound rather interesting.

[Hemisphere]

There, there. The bitterness will wash off after some time. But the faint glimmer of hope?

Never.

[Key Board]

Is Barouhart really that weakened in present times?

I'm pretty sure the incident with Aidos was a huge blow, he doesn't seem to be fading into obscurity any time soon. Again i could be wrong.

Maybe it's more because Marsterria being more and more prominent and thus taking the spotlight from the likes of Barouhart?

and about the other more mentioned gods in Eushully games.. I'm personally curious about Alaina

The lore says she isuber popular with women. What is it about a goddess of chaos that attracts a sweet woman like

http://i.imgur.com/vVSGF8i.jpg

[Flying Dagger]

I think having that faint glimmer of hope can make things worse. Its like Weiss would forever be haunted by the thought and never get over it. But knowing him, I guess he will just fall back to a new harem (much to liselle's dismay) in no time.

[Hemisphere]

Mmmmm Petrene. Still jealous of Louie, having such a hot attendant sweet dutiful girl like that by his side 24/7. To be fair though, Petrene was picking up from where the previous priestess left off (as her way of trying to repay Louie's kindness), and since the Goddess they (as in Louie's territory) worshiped was Alaina, she pretty much had no say in the matter. Though Petrene's devotion to Alaina is preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetty high up there.

Yeah, Barouhart is pretty much nearly unheard-of in the present day (post-IM2). Him inadvertently creating Celica was bad enough (I mean REALLY bad enough; come on, guy had a hand in making the GODSLAYER, what a douche), but then he had to go and make ANOTHER Yuusha go and kill Louie's dad, of all people. Louie, the guy who would eventually end up conquering the whole of Resperant.

Marsterria's spreading influence is also a factor, but unlike Barouhart and his diabolical means, Marsterria's pretty diplomatic and knows when to compromise/learn.

Another factor in Barouhart's diminished influence is that the places that worshiped him just faded into obscurity (if they weren't obliterated to nothingness, like what Celica inadvertently did to his home village - HA! CELICA 1 BAROUHART 0 IN UR FACE U JERK GOD).

Flying Dagger, that faint glimmer of hope I mentioned that will never die out?

It's not meant to make things easier.

Just look at how long Louie's going to be searching for Irina (before he embarked on the journey, he was pretty much told that the chances of encountering her again were absurdly close to non-existent; and he still went with it), or how long Celica is still waiting for Astrea. And these two are near-immortal, mind you.

[Key Board]

Well, according to the lore Alaina is popular with young girls. So it's not just Petrene. They also mention that healing spells is almost unheard of among dark gods, so Alaina clerics are an oddity because they can use healing spells.

I'm guessing that Alaina alignment is moderate. Enough so that you can find her shrines in neutral territories. (BECAUSE EVERYONE LIKES HEALS)

It's like how can find Senal influence everywhere even though he is a light god. (BECAUSE EVERYONE LIKES MONEY)

Though Petrene wasn't just a cleric. She is a Saint of Alaina by the last chapter. All that for love? Some dedication, I agree.

[Hemisphere]

I bet Alaina is popular with all the young girls, especially Petrene, because she can keep them forever young with just enough devotion. Poor Louie though. He's gonna have to work hard to satisfy her nympho needs over the course of their journey.

Look dude, all I'm picking up from this is "we need that War of the Three Pantheons game, like right now, pretty please".

Or maybe it's just me?

[Key Board]

Look dude, all I'm picking up from this is "we need that War of the Three Pantheons game, like right now, pretty please".

Or maybe it's just me?

As long as it doesn't take place in highschool

[Hemisphere]

FML no thanks no no no no no. The last thing we need is Old Gakuen vs New Gakuen vs Human Gakuen or some other crap.

[Flying Dagger]

As long as it doesn't take place in highschool

middle school then, or would you prefer kindergarden where the main character is a teacher leading an army of lolis?

As someone now well versed in what has happened in past eushully game I thought soukoku wasn't that bad. I guess it was not what old time fans expected from the company.

[Hemisphere]

I hated Soukoku because of how moot it made the War of the Three Pantheons feel. "Whoooo we can have superpowers, whoooo we can stand toe-to-toe with these freaks from another world! HUZZAH HUMANS" wasn't exactly the whole mood of it all. Humans never really had powers to begin with; they used technology to try and turn the tides against both the Old and New Pantheons, and just from looking at the remnants of the tech from that war (with the hints and bits from ZERO, Genrin 1/2, etc.), you can get an idea as to how desperate/diabolical human tech was at the time.

That is to say, curbstomped. So bad. So hard. And yet it was because of humans trying to tinker with something beyond their comprehension that led to all this mess in the first place, that both worlds ended up fused with one another and that all hell broke loose.

I mean, come on. For reference, Celica himself couldn't even keep up with Majin Haishera, before he became a Godslayer, and he was a pretty competent swordsman at that point - "Barouhart's best", or so Celica's master praised him as. Louie couldn't fight Majin Dianne on an equal footing unless he exploited her weakness, otherwise he would get his ass kicked, and this is the son of one of Buleard's Ten Pillars. Ignaat, for all his Dragon-obtained strength, could only take on a Majin or something such as powerful on one-on-one combat, and even then it was still risky for him unless all the odds were in his favor.

And you expect me to believe that some no-name high school kids with super powers are able to fight these Majins and Angels on an equal footing? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[Flying Dagger]

hmmm... in this case the RTS element used in madou kokakou might be a missed opportunity, as I think kakakou did a pretty decent job playing out a conquest -type plot. Its going to be hard to get the feel for a war in an RPG-based game revolving around a band of heroes.

I suppose the angels and demons in soukoku were relatively low ranked? With exception of demon-route Mehisha or Hagenti (defeated with ganoel's powers) in dreamland.

The way I see what happened in soukoku is that the angels and demons were in a deadlock, so even a slight tip in the scale can cause the war to be won/lost. Also depending on Syuya's actual power he can be extremely OPed (ability to absorb powers and also create monster clones on demand, with blood control giving him acceptable combat potentials- though I am not sure if the full extents of his powers are canon or just a way for Eushully to tie in the card game system).

[Drkz]

But Hemisphere! Zombies are so op. And those debuffs....

ZOMBIES RAISE A ZOMBIE ARMYYY!

BRAINS!!! NEED MOAR BRAINSSS!!

I'm sad Soukoku didn't have that three-headed angel from the final Asomo mission...

THAT CHARACTER DESIGN IS PURE AWESOMENESS.

[Hemisphere]

They'll probably use that conquest RTS engine for a (dun dun dunnnnnnnnnn) Genrin 3. And I hope they do, because we need a Genrin 3.

The moment some high school kid with super powers could take on Majins and such in just a few days without no prior training nor conditioning, with the battles having no sense of dread or urgency to them at all, was when I just basically threw my hands up in surrender and went full-on "just here for the fuckans" mode instead, seeing as it basically trampled all over the feeling of oppression and brevity that I was used to in Eushully games.

And I don't know if it's officially canon, but to me, superpowers will never count. Never saw 'em before in Dir=Lyfna, and I'm hoping I never will again, ever, because they just screw up the lore. I don't really want to come off as just a bitter old fart, but seriously. High school kids. With superpowers.

wat.

What I would've preferred is if Soukoku was something more along the likes a game that had humans slowly gathering together to build their sort-of-mini resistance, trying to adapt to the fusion of the two worlds as it slowly progresses, while fighting off forces from the "other" world who view them with hostility and curiosity. They would also be slowly expanding their territory in order to make sure that they had "some place to call home" while the two worlds slowly fused together, discovering new things along the way, and they'd be doing it all it with technology under their belt. The humans would be doing their damned best to adapt, and we would slowly be introduced to the artificial machine gods of man, and be able to use them as units instead of just having them introduced and hinted to via stupid cards. Humans would be shown initially winning thanks to the novelty and the power of the technology that they posses only for the ending to slowly hint that the Old and the New Pantheons have gotten tired of their shit, ending with some bittersweet optimistic remarks about how the future looks bright and all that stuff. Now that I would've supported.

[Flying Dagger]

1) The cubes which granted them power (and somehow stopped an earthquake): what are they exactly? I don't recall seeing them at the MHI.

2) Isn't what you said sort of the story of the human route? Trying to secure shelter while trying to find a way home while remaining neutral.

The story isn't too unbelievable: if two forces are in a stalemate position, they will *really* want to use the humans as a tool to tip the scale. From the human perspective (outside of two key figures: sayane and narumi): they have no clue exactly what is going on, or even have the time to worry about the fused world... they just want to "go home".

//

Harem route:
Dark corona is :O??? Can even learn the dictatorship skill eventually.
Too bad her stats without beastmode is completely horrible: even worse than the basic cannonfodders you get initially.
(I guess she is still horrible with beastmode, I dont get the concept of assassin in this game as they lack the range to do their job)

[Hemisphere]

Yeah, those stupid deus ex machina cubes don't sit well with me either. Just take them out, make technology the cutting-edge (and ONLY) advantage of humans, and I'd be more accepting of Soukoku. The foundations were there, but the execution was just iffy at best.

That, and have them explore the levels humanity is willing to reach just to try and stand on equal footing with the gods they stood against (genetic manipulation, WMDs, etc.), and what they were willing to sacrifice in order to get that far just to survive. That was another aspect I felt Soukoku really missed out on, because the whole "lol superpowers" aspect just downplayed it so badly (it's also relevant as to why the existence of the 'Godslayer' is such an anathema to the entirety of Dir=Lyfna, lore-wise; because Gods are as close to the penultimate existence as you can get).

[Drkz]

Dark Corona. Lewd Corona!!!

I don't think your suppose to consider it canon. Cause I don't want a polar bear route so it isn't canon. They tried something new, sadly nippon wasn't ready for ero-card game. Now they went for LESS COMBINE ALL KNOWN SLG ASPECTS AND PUT THEM IN ONE GAME. What they'll do now... time will time. In the mean time. MAIDS. I NEED MY BROKEN MAID ARMYYYY.

[Hemisphere]

What will they do now? Genrin 3, that's what. Whether they like it or not.

Don't make me get Anastasia and her nasu army to come over there!

[Flying Dagger]

did soukoku do that bad in japan in terms of sales?

Honestly if they made a mehisha figure I would buy it.

I think I also like kokakou more than soukoku, which I like more than kamidori.

However gameplay balance wise I think kamidori really shined. Kokakou isn't that bad if not for the steep learning curve (I rmb confusing the dark/ice/no-elemental type when I started) and faceroll endgame difficulties.

The tech is def there: we some 3v6 battles on the last fight, I would like to see more epic battles.

//

They are going to surprise us and make a FPS next. Mark my words.

[Hemisphere]

FPS brb tearing up my Eushully fanclub membership card while weeping fresh tears of blood.

If they make a Mehisha or even an Atori figure I would make sweet sweet greasy monkey love to them all day and night long reward their efforts with an appropriate purchase.

[Drkz]

I saw one eushully figure. I don't need to see another one. :twitch:

It was more "doll=like" than figure...:upset:

What eushully needs is a anime though. Or even a ova.

[Hemisphere]

Speaking of Eushully figures, the one (and only) Eushully figure I remember seeing was Sylphietta's from Meishoku no Reiki. This one (http://www.1999.co.jp/10064145) (might be NSFW? only if you click on the nudie naughty bits).

God, I remember that game's hilarious append content, where Sylphietta and Ignaat's daughter (the Lily prototype) made the Yuusha her bitch. Hahaha.

I don't really think any Eushully title would translate well to being an anime, or OVA for that matter.

[Flying Dagger]

its not just a doll, its a madou kokakkou!

I prefer a Lune one over Aru desuno~

I think madou has enough juice in it for an anime. Although new material, like the war of the three gods would be more interesting. (reminds me of utawarerumono: still waiting for sequel to come out)

If that happens this thread will be flooded by so many people -_-

[Hemisphere]

I...I have another confession to make.

...I want a Haishera plushie (modeled after the "Haishera Sword" in Kamidori).

Ye gods, I so want one.

[Flying Dagger]

As someone who has only known Haishera from Soukoku and kokakou append, whats so cute about her? She is more badass than cute in my eyes.

[Hemisphere]

She's badass incarnate, but she's definitely got her cute moments. Not overly moe appeal gushing kawaii cuteness, but still very cute moments nonetheless.

Like the time she commented on how Celica was treating her like a lover, in VERITA (and she was enjoying it immensely, as Celica was pretty much pampering her at the time - after an intense DUEL TO THE DEATH, no less). Or that time she was faintly amused by Celica "messing up" in one moment, then jealous the next after he takes an "interest" in Eklia Femlins from their encounter in Genrin 2. Or how she basically fondles Celica like a baby after his reawakening in ZERO. And such. Or when she scolds Celica for forgetting her name, then laughing it off during the ZERO epilogue. Etc...

I'd also like to think of it as a huge in-joke. Seeing as while Haishera does accompany Celica in their travels together as a sword (and when he's staying in Lewinia), she is not always in the form of one; she often takes the form of a dagger or short sword in order to conserve energy (as they don't get into life-or-death battles as often as one might think). Short sword/dagger = chibified sword, so the chibified Haishera form...makes sense if you think about it (gag-wise).

Besides, an angry Haishera plushie is the closest thing I can get to having something resembling Haishera. Don't ruin this for me. ;w;

[Key Board]

I honestly don't like Haishera that much, because I don't like Celica that much.

[Hitenma]

Same here, I like Louie more.
Maybe because the first game I played is Genrin II.
I also prefer Genrin II's girls: Faamishirusu, Ekria (Kishougun Ekria >>> moe Ekria), the dragon knight girl with dual scythe, Shirufia, ...

[Drkz]

But hemisphere みんな大好き子づくりばんちょう would make a perfect anime ( ﾟ∀ﾟ)ｱﾊﾊハハ八八ﾉヽﾉヽノヽノ ＼/ ＼. Fig looks ok, face looks off.

Cause Haishera can be really deredere. And Hemi is weak against deredere.

[Hemisphere]

Celica and Louie, I like them both equally. Does...does that make me a bad person? :'(

Yes. YES. YESSSSS. KISHOGUN EKRIA IS ALWAYS BEST EKRIA. I really hated how they brought down Ekria in VERITA. And Tiffana is always good. ALWAYS. But no Petrene on your list?

[Flying Dagger]

You guys are making me really want to play the older eushully games, but I youtubed some gameplay and wasn't too impressed =/.

//

Harem route in kokakou has been rather wtf for me... Weiss is pretty evil for showing the king of ranaheim his sister taking it in the ass... (ofc they immediately declared war on me).

[Hemisphere]

They didn't age too well, tbh. Genrin 2 plays out like a standard Fire Emblem rpg, Meishoku no Reiki can be initially overwhelming, and Tayu Uta slightly confusing, especially when you end up wasting too much time and the days just pass by without much progress.

But Petrene's final promotion in Genrin 2...mmmmmmm...

[Flying Dagger]

I guess another reason that is pushing me away would be the less refined art in those games.

Himegari looks fine, but doesnt seem to contribute as much to world building. I checked out Verita maybe borderline, but I feel discouraged if I just jump into the 4th game...

If there is a book or something I guess I would read it, but for now I guess I can bug you guys with my questions.

[Hitenma]

Celica and Louie, I like them both equally. Does...does that make me a bad person? :'(

Yes. YES. YESSSSS. KISHOGUN EKRIA IS ALWAYS BEST EKRIA. I really hated how they brought down Ekria in VERITA. And Tiffana is always good. ALWAYS. But no Petrene on your list?
Well, I didn't use Petrene much.
She is kind of a mage/healer hybrid, and there are better mage and better healer out there.

I agree about VERITA. I really hate Ekria in the beginning of that game.
And the art, it's too different compared to the previous games.
Everyone looks moe now. Everyone. Not only the girls. Even Louie :frustrated:

@Flying Dagger: I actually prefer the old art than the moe-fied art now.

[Hemisphere]

Drkz: I love when Haishera goes dere, but her dere is the type of dere that isn't pandering dere, but like a friend who you know so well, and who knows you so well, chastising you and making fun of you at the same time. I just love that kind of connection.

Idk, I rather liked Petrene's late-game AOE nuke. She got outshone in the healing department later on, but I still found her useful...

And I loved the append for Genrin 2. LOVED IT. Ekria as a unit, fighting off Celica? Awesome. Being able to use Ekria as a unit afterwards? UTTERLY BROKEN.

One other character I liked? Rionne. Never mind that you get her oh so late in the game, but I rather liked using her thanks to her whipsword and flame magic.

OH GOD RIONNE, WHY DID YOUR CAMEO IN VERITA SUCK SOOOOOOOOO BAD

[Drkz]

Cause you know... Cameos. Older games might not have the best gameplay mechanic, but it has a better story.

Need more Lily. The many forms of Lily.

[Flying Dagger]

We already got loli, teenage, and matured... what more do you want... obaa lily? -__-

[Key Board]

Honestly, a lot of Genrin 2 characters were just ignored in Verita

I was personally surprised when they informed you in one chapter that Eukria's remaining sister died of illness offscreen (possibly of stress)

I think we need a game that takes place within the transition period from Menfil going from a Kingdom to an Empire

We didn't even get a portrait for Silvan (Louie's heir and 2nd Emperor of Menfil)

[Hemisphere]

We didn't get A LOT. Holy Astrea, VERITA just stank on so many levels. Every other heroine basically just got ignored, we didn't even get to hear anything with them dying off, how Menfil progresses, etc. GOD.

Not only did it fail to live up to the hype (Genrin + Ikusa Megami OMG!), but it trampled all over several of the characters' pre-existing backgrounds and motives, floundered around way too badly, glossed over several important details, and just bleh. I ran out of steam near the end of this rant.

The most unforgivable was when they turned Ekria into this Celica-obsessed schoolgirl with barely any emotional maturity. Oh maaaaaaaaaaan. Just NO.

[Key Board]

Ekria's in that phase of her life where she just wants to take it easy and forget that she murdered her sister along with countless other people

I'd say give her a few more decades to get over that..

[Drkz]

Clone lily flying clone lilies. I need that army of lilies muahahaha.

[Key Board]

if only you could err.. mass produce Lily like Zeobit

[Hemisphere]

Zeobit. Oh man, thanks for reminding me of Ignaat's daughter's name!

[Flying Dagger]

urg... I am too unprepared for the harem route... wtf @ Weiss after conquering ranaheim... getting Kriss to take his sister while she is blindfolded...

//

Not sure why I am not getting the monster fusion quests in harem route: I was going to fuse a few monsters to use as part of my army: such a waste to have the fusion system in place but never really used for combat.

[Key Board]

IIRC, you need to make a monster cage first

[Flying Dagger]

I got 8 of them, maybe building more than 1 at a time fucks things up...

//
Deconstructing them and rebuilding a single one doesn't seem to unlock the quests sigh...

[Drkz]

Did you inherit the monsters? Cause if you do the quests don't pop-up. You just get a huge gold boost.

[Flying Dagger]

Nope. I suspect either you don't get the quests in harem route or I bugged it out somehow.

It is really annoying because I wanted to use fusioned monsters as part of my army in harem route due to not having as many characters joining. So I would have to complete fuses from basic monsters instead of be able to use "short cuts".

Some of the fusioned monsters are such a tease: for example the line of monsters with the Earth type stonebullet spells do not come with spell/archer formation... they are all melee units (and the problem is obvious: the things you use the units on also does bonus damage against you...). So against electric types I got to fall back to the woodspirits with their wooden bow attack (but does physical damage).

There are also a lot of hidden numbers within the spells. Ie: I think the continuous-waterbullet innately fires faster than the regular waterbullet, but then there is also this ice-sword spell which I don't know how to compare against the bullet spells without testing them out.

Did I ever mention spirits are OPed?

//

I really hate the trade-goods crafting (ie: spices and tea) system in Kokakou: usually you gather 3/4 parts in early areas and there is this one key ingredient acting as a choke or even is not accessible until you conquered half of the map. This makes farming/herding inefficient early game but insane profitable late game.

[Hemisphere]

I'll try and see if I can do in this game what I did in Meishoku no Genrin (build a horde of Raumakarls and just stomp over every opposition).

[PhoenixG]

The earliest one you can craft is the "shining nut" (the first one on the list) and rune elf's tea.
The shining nut ingredients are gathered at Centakus and woods in Curve, while rune elf's tea you need the elven to join you and the all the ingredients can be gathered at Formial.

Pretty much this two items made me a rich guy.

[Key Board]

I beat the game without once selling a trade item

I guess they're meant to be used in the beginning where you don't have much cash and enemy generals are a pain?

//

[Flying Dagger]

As I mentioned earlier the "good" crafts cant be completed until mid-late game when you pretty much have conquered the entire eastern side of the map. The earlier crafts (ie: fruit) takes too much mats for me to really bother imo. (Might be better off to just build merc stores for the raw income)

I was feeling particular M earlier and sat my ass down to make ギーゼラ・プロア

http://i.imgur.com/4gRGBsy.png (http://imgur.com/4gRGBsy)


Got to say, glass cannon much? I tried giving it the +range accessory but due to its magic sword formation it has barely any. It has this insanely high 3k upkeep. She isn't that pretty/cute to justify her use :(.


http://i.imgur.com/Lk9Q7mE.png http://i.imgur.com/r5kXtSU.png

Favorite non-spirit merc: she is like the Annamaria/the pegasus merc Bell gets you, with Ice/Holy magic spells as well as a physical attack. Unlike the pegasus warriors who have insane mobility, she comes with the magic formation which makes her a lot easier to use. She can also use most elemental spirits which makes her really versatile.

Has pretty good passives: healing+magic break+chance to bypass magic defense.

Downside is the slightly weaker stats and also the lack of a damage nuke. Her ultimate is too situational.

Not to mention she is cute.

I think its just my angel fetish kicking in

[Drkz]

But her def is nil. Its pretty shitty. I mean you did use Gargoyles to make her. They're rock right?

[Flying Dagger]

Not only does she lack range, her main attack is physical: and most enemies have pretty high physical defense already.

Even with +range accessory, AoE damage spells just destroy her as well.

I just want something cuter, sexier, and maybe comes with cool skillsets.

She is like those beastman units which I never use: they are melee units with no defense thus die in just seconds after engaging in combat: imo their design is somewhat flawed.

Something like, a spirit with very low defense but high attack (low def = die to anything magical easily), or a special skill which prevents them from taking any damage while an enemy unit is engaging another ally would make them far more useful.

For now (as I only play hard mode), a proper tank up front + ranged dps has always been the way to go.

How cool would it be if there are units with two DPS formation but no defensive formation?

[Drkz]

Isn't she suppose to be a assassin class? All that hard work...

Oh god a horrid idea just crossed my mind...

WHAT IF YOU NEED THE "MAKE" the eushully maids?!

[Flying Dagger]

300 steps fusion inc.

[Key Board]

I just use what I find useful and effective. No need for flashy units.
In Himegari I stuck with Orcs to the end.
Ok, Raumakals are great.. sure.. but they also cost 7 times an Orc, don't have shields, and only joins like 1 chapter before the final boss.

In this game? MOAR spirit tanks
No need for lewd angels that don't have any events. Melodiana or Mehisha you are not.
No need for overrated dragons. (Orfan's DARK and EDGY ones are better anyway)
No need for mercs when I already have too much hero units (that don't need upkeep)

[Flying Dagger]

hmmm I think I am on the verge of shelfing this until appends come out.

I need something new to play :S

[Drkz]

Lovely x Cation 2!

Key uses the minimalist approach. Uses all the effective units to win in one fell swoop.

Flying you should check out Demonion if you haven't played it. Its pretty fun. I wish astronauts would release another one though.

[Hemisphere]

But...but I like my flying almost-nekkid whipsword-using Raumakarls : (

Haha, in all actuality, I was never able to spam them until my 2nd new game +. Or was it 3rd...I forgot. until then it was Orc Army all the way.

...Which is probably why the sight of fat green orcs terrifies me now.

[Drkz]

Its not fun until i have a maid army. Skeletons suck. They die too fast. And the game won't let me make a whole female army. Why is it I can only do that in Rance.

[Flying Dagger]

Pfft... orcs...

I like my angels, even in soukoku I insisted on using a pure angel deck fill with nothing but female angels.

Too bad angels seem rather weak compared to the various types of demons in eushully-verse.


Flying you should check out Demonion if you haven't played it. Its pretty fun. I wish astronauts would release another one though.

hmmm has a bit of himegari and dungeon keeper vibe to it, might test it out if I can get motivated enough.

//

I am ready to add the angelsex tag into the thread when we get some of that in an append.
(I guess dollsex too)

[PhoenixG]

But...but I like my flying almost-nekkid whipsword-using Raumakarls : (

Haha, in all actuality, I was never able to spam them until my 2nd new game +. Or was it 3rd...I forgot. until then it was Orc Army all the way.

...Which is probably why the sight of fat green orcs terrifies me now.

http://i.imgur.com/tfQzaoK.jpg

But yeah, they are NG+ units. You even need the append disc installed

[Hemisphere]

Gawd that face and those proportions wtfux. I can never really get accustomed to Mitsuki's style; Yakuri4lyf.

[Drkz]

Poor Hemi another erogay bites the dust.

[Flying Dagger]

How do you guys know who drew what?

[Hemisphere]

Yakuri = sharp, angular, distinct characters (think Yuera/Melodiana/Ragusmuena/Sayane/Atori/Mehisha/that senpai with the camera in Aterial/etc.)

Mitsuki = super loli or super stretched out faces, rounded proportions, etc. Really easy to spot this one's style once you get used to it; just use Kamidori and Aterial as references until you see it.

Hatozuki Tsumiki = Eushully's artist since way back. Definitely easiest to spot.

[Flying Dagger]

its hard for me to tell the differences, they all look rather angular to me -__-
what is something drawn by yakuri in kokakou?

[Hemisphere]

Liselle, Eida and the Lily clone, for starters. If it helps any, Mitsuki did all of the monster musumes in this game - that is, from what I have seen, at least. I haven't seen them all.

[Drkz]

Hmm. Hemi just knows by name. I usually can tell if someone does H or not. Its pretty apparent. Its probably he plays the older games and also read the comic mega store eushully specials. But mainly you can tell from the nose and eyes mainly the face. The face is usually distinct. Or maybe aroela if you want to get in more detial :uhoh:? I'm going to stop now. Cause even I'm getting creeped out.

I don't think they'll do doll sex. And if you do a angel sex tag it'll get nuked. Most definitely. You already have angel sex though :o. They're sisters! Kuu Kuu.

[Flying Dagger]

"I tell girls apart by the shape of their aroela"

the angelsex currently in the game is fake angel sex.

[Drkz]

I'm not even kidding :eyespin:. Hentai Ouji artist.. guess what he does. :eyespin:

THE WINGS WHERE WHITE! DON'T DENY THAT!

[Flying Dagger]

I googled for a pink wing'ed angel like this one

http://i.imgur.com/TSXPPHa.jpg


but google images also gave me results such as this

http://i.imgur.com/ilZDeVV.jpg


-_-

but really, the lack of actual interaction with angels disappoints me.

[Drkz]

Google normally doesn't help. You'd probably need to go on a imageboard or something.

[Hemisphere]

Angel sex: it's like crack! Once you've had Melodiana/Mehisha, you can't stop (popping angel hymens)!

She may not have been a character (or much of anything), but I liked Nil Dynames. It also helps that she's a high-ranking angel (ranked 3rd, if I recall? not entirely sure).

http://i.imgur.com/jy7Lxj3.jpg

Too bad her milkshakes don't bring all the boys in the yard.

[Drkz]

Although technically Angels are pretty much genderless so nothing to pop :uhoh:.

[Hemisphere]

Not in the Eushullyverse.

SAY NO TO COCkBLOCKS, EQUAL OPPORTUNITY ANGEL FUCKANS FOR ALL (there are male angels that succubi characters can "capture" lmao)

[Flying Dagger]

There are male angels in Soukoku no? The bear and the 4 armed Dominion (forgot his name, but he was pretty cool). There were also quite a few in the form of cards.

That Verita angel looks pretty cute, 10/10, would fuck again.

Ganoel (as 2nd rank Cherubim) would prob be the most powerful I know of, maybe below Mehisha whose power might rival a young god? (I rmb soukoku was rather vague on that)

Melo may be the weakest, but she is also the cutest imo (I like Mehisha more but for a combination of other reasons).

imma fly to japan and break into the Eushully office to steal the gold master disc if they ever do a game with multiple angel routes: warrior angels, loli angels, tsundere angels, shy angels, lewd angels... I will take them all!

[Hemisphere]

If that's your master plan, let me be your evil secretary. I can book your flight, plan out your schedule and route of escape! All for angel fuckans!

But then we might end up arguing over who gets which angels...

I guess I'll just steal the Atori dakimakuras they have there while you're busy doing your thing.

[Drkz]

You forgot the fallen angel guy.... the one who checks out shuuya's ass. EVEN THE TRAPS?!

[Key Board]

Strongest Angel so far is Asmodeus, who was a former Seraph (1st rank Angel)

no wait, does the Lucifer expy dragon from Ikusa Megami count?

is so, he's the strongest fallen Angel by far

[Flying Dagger]

You forgot the fallen angel guy.... the one who checks out shuuya's ass. EVEN THE TRAPS?!

oh god... don't remind me of him... i remember having to cover my butthole everytime I go through his dialogue.


Patch 1.02 is out. Mostly interface fixes.

//

They nerfed the first battle by giving you a full army instead of just Weiss, Liselle, and the siege engineer girl

[Hemisphere]

Strongest Angel so far is Asmodeus, who was a former Seraph (1st rank Angel)

no wait, does the Lucifer expy dragon from Ikusa Megami count?

is so, he's the strongest fallen Angel by far

Playable-wise, it'd be Asmodeus. Appearance-wise, that Lucifer dragon definitely.

Say no to fallen angel sodomy.

[Flying Dagger]

Someone link me a pic of the dragon.

[Hemisphere]

Lucifer says hi.

http://i.imgur.com/mbg6NF4.jpg

You fight it three times over. First with Celica alone (ilu Nil Dynames support you should have my babies many times over)...

http://i.imgur.com/JGSZ6g9.png

Next with Ekria and Celica's party...

http://i.imgur.com/Yqtblkp.png

And lastly with Louie and company (I hate how they made it seem like Louie and co. were the cleanup crew, wtf)

http://i.imgur.com/cG2yQjl.png

I forgot to mention, but during the entire fight, that thing was spewing out little (in comparison) baby dragons as well (as you can see in the pic with Celica). Other characters were fighting those mini dragons in the meantime.

http://i.imgur.com/MSkYOPc.jpg
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It was reminiscent of the Majin rush fight early on in VERITA, which I loved to death because those were the Hagure Majins in previous games! And they get to try and kick both party's asses one after the other!

[Flying Dagger]

Ok, Asmodeus is one thing, but that Lucifer dragon is... I guess not exactly what I expected...

at least Louie and co gets to fight the head. I would rather have to fight the wings than the claws or the head.

I must add the interface of the game is pretty ugly.

[Hemisphere]

You don't really get to see it in full view, so orz. Not too impressive, huh?

And yeah, the interface can be really messy and cluttered.

The wings have a cheap instant death attack, so it can be pissy cheap at times.

And if you want to get real technical; Wilfred and his jolly Happy Tree Friends are actually the clean-up crew, judging from Seraui's route.

[Drkz]

I want that final boss angel from Asomo's route. BEST ANGEL.

[Hooves]

I came by here because I was curious. Then I see the Lucifer dragon and I'm like "Oh snap"

[Flying Dagger]

I came by here because I was curious. Then I see the Lucifer dragon and I'm like "Oh snap"

You missed my loli angel!

http://i.imgur.com/r5kXtSU.png

[Key Board]

Actually the third fight with dragon is the main one, and Celica can join that one, but it seems the one screencaping that chose not to

I don't remember much about Serawi's route, but IIRC, something horrible is going to be born, if Wil and his gang didn't stop it?

Was that related to the dragon from IM?

[Hooves]

For Alchemy Meister - Serawi's route had you having to deal with this egg of darkness thing. Trying to prevent it by killing the four elements that surrounded the corners for it. I don't recall it saying what would be born exactly. Since there was no specific race notified.

[Hemisphere]

Actually the third fight with dragon is the main one, and Celica can join that one, but it seems the one screencaping that chose not to

I don't remember much about Serawi's route, but IIRC, something horrible is going to be born, if Wil and his gang didn't stop it?

Was that related to the dragon from IM?

I didn't want to steal the spotlight from Louie and his crew any more already. Poor Louie. : (

Also, the egg in the floating castle (Buleard's) was hinted to be a leftover of Lucifer. That's what I remember from it.

[Drkz]

Eushully had some really poor scaling. After a NG+. Everything died in one shot... even if you set it to hard mode.

[Hemisphere]

Need more Ragusmuena.

...Come to think of it, Ragusmuena is probably an attempt at coming up with another Rita-like character.

[Hooves]

Also, the egg in the floating castle (Buleard's) was hinted to be a leftover of Lucifer. That's what I remember from it.

So does Eushully hint and go about their previous games while they make new ones? Or hint future games, something like that?

[Hemisphere]

They just have connections to pre-existing characters/concepts and the like. For example, the Melkia connection in Madou Koukaku with what has been established beforehand in Ikusa Megami games. Dir=Lyfna is a fairly established world, and all the games just borrow concepts from it and then try to contribute more to the worldbuilding while proceeding with their own stories.

They don't necessarily drop hints of upcoming games in their previous ones, probably because I don't think it's crossed their mind yet as to what game they want to embark on next or something.

[Flying Dagger]

Eushully had some really poor scaling. After a NG+. Everything died in one shot... even if you set it to hard mode.

Be a man and don't carry anything over. Hard modes are for first playthroughs.

Since I started off in hard mode and is now so used to it, I can't even image how normal or easy mode would be like.

I guess this is another side effect of being short on development time: unable to really balance their game all that well. I hope they will eventually make a balance patch... one can only hope...

[Drkz]

Be a man and don't carry anything over. Hard modes are for first playthroughs.

Since I started off in hard mode and is now so used to it, I can't even image how normal or easy mode would be like.

I guess this is another side effect of being short on development time: unable to really balance their game all that well. I hope they will eventually make a balance patch... one can only hope...

:Effort: I aint grinding those stats again. ESPEICALLY SUINA. I'm not a M. Sorrie :heh:.

[Mahou]

Just watched the remaining individual mini-endings: Felano > Liesel = Neneka > Margerit = Yun Gasol. Felano at top not only due the "happy family"-ending, but as I still find the change from assassin to waifu amusing. I'd like to know Eushully's reason for giving just those five such a scence. Most amount of consentual smex (other than elven leader and dark-elf queen, I think) or coin toss *lol*? Though, a Corona scene would have also been nice.

And the 宿命、 交わることのない未来動乱 battle theme is my favorite, especially with Weiss's voice in the beginning (e. g. during Ea Cial and Aru). That made an excellent atmosphere.

[Flying Dagger]

Lacrille (white hair half elf) needs an end too. Don't really care for Corona, dunno why, maybe she is not a loliangel.

The musketeer events gives me more wtf than Lacrille events.

[Hemisphere]

Felano at top not only due the "happy family"-ending, but as I still find the change from assassin to waifu amusing.

My first thought was "that's nice". Second thought was "she went home and became a family woman", at which point I began cursing the internet.

[Hemisphere]

...Huh.

Talk about slow, but I just realized this now.

Why does the Kamidori scene's translation (the one with Will and Asmodeus talking about airships) has Melkia up north in the Resperant province, when Melkia is to the east of the Avatar province?

Was Kamidori wrong in this regard, or was the translation wrong?

[Key Board]

because Yuidora is not at the center of the province

it's south from Water Miko's country which shares bother with Melkia to the East

So from Yuidora's perspective Melkia is still North


http://i.imgur.com/EumxTLp.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/I8xAwSG.jpg

And Menfil is north from Water Miko's country across an ocean. Lyphia crossed a long way

[Hemisphere]

Yes, and that's what I mean. I'm aware that Yuidora is south of the Avatar province in the Cetetori region, located a few clicks south from where the Lucifer incident took place.

What I meant is that this (http://i.imgur.com/VMd5lIR.jpg) mentions that the Melkia Empire is up north in the Resperent region (http://i.imgur.com/eaaQAka.png), when the Resperent region is Louie's territory. Water Miko's (Lewinia) is part of the Avatar region (http://i.imgur.com/NbirUNo.png), and Melkia is to the side of the Avatar region, and even has a part of the Krese region within their territory (according to ZERO) (http://i.imgur.com/oi21yar.png).

I'm just curious as to why Kamidori mentions that Melkia is up to the north of the Resperant region, when it's the east of the Avatar region.

[Key Board]

Well, then I guess Eushully goofed on that one.

xd

Unless Melkia annexed part of that region without us knowing

[Hemisphere]

Yeah, most likely.

Not cool, Kamidori. Several games worth of backstory and you messed it up. OMG TIME TO PITCHFORK AND TORCHES

I guess they were generalizing and just lumped Resperant and Avatar together? Even then, it's still a stretch, because the two regions contain two massively different assortments of countries.

[Key Board]

or maybe Wil just doesn't remember his geography that well

to be an alchemist you only need to pass math and chemistry.. and maybe home economics.. xd

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[Hemisphere]

Will better not start trekking outside of Yuidora.

If all those hagure majins won't get him, getting lost will seal his fate.

[Flying Dagger]

he does have a tendency to wonder to random places...

[Drkz]

Kamidori actually took place in dreamland. That is why the plot was so bad derp.

[Hemisphere]

Everyone is just too busy being a hippie in the Cetetori region.

[ArchmageXin]

It look like someone translated the english interface (troops/names), but alsa, no one is willing to do the plot. :upset:

[Drkz]

The guy who does Eushully games pretty much stated he hates doing Eushully games. That interface is probably going to break when 2.0 comes out. Plus games on the epic category rarely if ever get translated. Especially since eushully doesn't have a strong enough community unlike rance.

[ArchmageXin]

The guy who does Eushully games pretty much stated he hates doing Eushully games. That interface is probably going to break when 2.0 comes out. Plus games on the epic category rarely if ever get translated. Especially since eushully doesn't have a strong enough community unlike rance.

That is unfortunate. I guess Dungeon Himegari is also canceled then?

[Flying Dagger]

TBH, kakakou is fun but not THAT fun. Still btr than those nukige some companies keep translating.

[Drkz]

TBH, kakakou is fun but not THAT fun. Still btr than those nukige some companies keep translating.

I doubt anyone has the balls to do anything lilith. Liquid isn't even up there :uhoh:. Empress on the other hand is just out there...

No one will ever bother to translate a EPIC GAME. Well the only one I saw was Koihime. Epics are a drag as well as time consuming anyway.

[Flying Dagger]

I doubt anyone has the balls to do anything lilith. Liquid isn't even up there :uhoh:. Empress on the other hand is just out there...

No one will ever bother to translate a EPIC GAME. Well the only one I saw was Koihime. Epics are a drag as well as time consuming anyway.

http://blog.mangagamer.org/2013/07/05/announcements-from-anime-expo-2013/
ctrl-f "lilith"

I didn't like koihime.

[Hemisphere]

zzzz Koihime. Rock paper scissors.

[Drkz]

Unless its Taimin Asagi... nada.

zzzz Koihime. Rock paper scissors.

Rock Paper Shotgun!

Append. Append. Give me Eukleia!

I don't need Soukoku appends... those where bonkers. zzzz

[ArchmageXin]

I doubt anyone has the balls to do anything lilith. Liquid isn't even up there :uhoh:. Empress on the other hand is just out there...

No one will ever bother to translate a EPIC GAME. Well the only one I saw was Koihime. Epics are a drag as well as time consuming anyway.

Lilith are not Epic...they are just nukiage with a lot of hardcore rape, a lot on women with dubious age. The few translator companies out there aren't gonna touch that stuff because all we need is one American senator complain about it and next thing it will cause international attention and a media storm.

I wish someone would translate more of Eshully's "build a castle, conquer the world, get girls" type of game, but I can fully understand the man hours involved and questionable paying market size.

[Flying Dagger]

Unless its Taimin Asagi... nada.



Rock Paper Shotgun!

Append. Append. Give me Eukleia!

I don't need Soukoku appends... those where bonkers. zzzz

I like AFB and the loliangel though. The bath house minigame was cute as well. I thought for append it was pretty well done.

[Drkz]

Lilith are not Epic...they are just nukiage with a lot of hardcore rape, a lot on women with dubious age. The few translator companies out there aren't gonna touch that stuff because all we need is one American senator complain about it and next thing it will cause international attention and a media storm.

I wish someone would translate more of Eshully's "build a castle, conquer the world, get girls" type of game, but I can fully understand the man hours involved and questionable paying market size.

I never said Lilith was epic. I said you'll rarely if ever see a translation company do EPIC games. Its doubtful someone would do Eushully games. Maybe Kamidori, the other series have such fucked up true routes. Plus any company who does the rapiu genre might end up closing their doors in the near future.

[Drkz]

I thank myself for killing this thread by migrating the chat to a different form of communication.

http://www.eukleia.co.jp/eushully/event.html

Eushully comiket update!

[Drkz]

Seems like they're still selling Soukoku stuff. Hopefully it isn't another lame append....

[@GEMC]

Hello guys I'm new here I want to ask about the english patch of this game since I am thinking of trying this. It is said that there is a Interface Patch available in english what does that mean?

[Key Board]

I think it translates the menu (town, battle, map)

but not the story