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^Should be Thor with Mjolnir since it should be a signature weapon, or they'd have specified otherwise. Kinda like you'd have to presume a similar case for Indra (with Vajra).
^Should be Thor with Mjolnir since it should be a signature weapon, or they'd have specified otherwise. Kinda like you'd have to presume a similar case for Indra (with Vajra).
I would be kin to agree if True Form Sirzechs and Sirzechs didn't have such a different strength level. For all we know, Thor & Thor + Mjolnir may have a different level too.
So, is Sirzechs still 2.5 times stronger than Indra?
The idea of Indra being 4x Maou is kinda doubtful from start. Cause it's saying the Yondai Maou working together to rival him. If Kiba and Gasper work together to defeat Ise would it mean that Ise is just 2* stronger than them individually?
we know how badly outmatch Sairaorg's Team against Indra's Team.... maybe Sairaorg and Regulus will awaken a new power like from the 'Beast of Supremacy' to the 'Beast of Destruction'
The power up I can see Sairaorg potentially still having is Regulus using promotion. That's with the assumption that Regulus never used it before.
here's a speculation Shooting Star ended up joining Sairaorg's Peerage then along the way his a descendant of Asmodeus
Giuseppe1234
2023-01-01, 21:23
we know how badly outmatch Sairaorg's Team against Indra's Team.... maybe Sairaorg and Regulus will awaken a new power like from the 'Beast of Supremacy' to the 'Beast of Destruction'
Just to be badly beaten by Indra like before? A new power up should be better introduced (against ExE) without a such massive power gap impossible to fill.
cyberdemon
2023-01-01, 23:12
Just to be badly beaten by Indra like before? A new power up should be better introduced (against ExE) without a such massive power gap impossible to fill.
Sairaorg does need to fill the power gap. Just bridge it enough that Indra can’t fight Issei at full power. A culmination of Issei and Sairaorg being able to beat one of the best. Issei beats him. Sairaorg sets the stage.
Sairaorg does need to fill the power gap. Just bridge it enough that Indra can’t fight Issei at full power. A culmination of Issei and Sairaorg being able to beat one of the best. Issei beats him. Sairaorg sets the stage.
Shiva might help Sairaorg getting a new power-up just like Indra help Ise's DXD form
Itsmepatrick
2023-01-05, 12:01
It'll be more realistic if Sairaorg will get an alternative form of BtB .
The idea of Indra being 4x Maou is kinda doubtful from start. Cause it's saying the Yondai Maou working together to rival him. If Kiba and Gasper work together to defeat Ise would it mean that Ise is just 2* stronger than them individually?
But that is how it is. Indra is 4 times stronger than a Satan Class. Satan Class already can clash with Gods, doesnt matter if they are the weakest Gods.
In the religion of the Bible, Maou and God of Bible has always been mentioned together and has always been balanced. So to balance God they needed 4 Satan's class.
I think Indra should also be stronger, but not by far. Besides, it aint the same being 4 times stronger than needing 4 maous to fight him, being 4 times stronger should mean he can 1 shot any of them, so it aint bad saying he is 4 times stronger.
But that is how it is. Indra is 4 times stronger than a Satan Class. Satan Class already can clash with Gods, doesnt matter if they are the weakest Gods.
In the religion of the Bible, Maou and God of Bible has always been mentioned together and has always been balanced. So to balance God they needed 4 Satan's class.
I think Indra should also be stronger, but not by far. Besides, it aint the same being 4 times stronger than needing 4 maous to fight him, being 4 times stronger should mean he can 1 shot any of them, so it aint bad saying he is 4 times stronger.
God and the Devil have never at any point been "balanced". In actual Christianity God is literally all-powerful while the Devil is just one of his creations. He can't actually oppose God in any meaningful way, God allows him to tempt humanity as part of free will.
Even in DxD GoB was blatantly more powerful than any of the Maou, he was able to seal Trihexia alone somehow lol
God and the Devil have never at any point been "balanced". In actual Christianity God is literally all-powerful while the Devil is just one of his creations. He can't actually oppose God in any meaningful way, God allows him to tempt humanity as part of free will.
Even in DxD GoB was blatantly more powerful than any of the Maou, he was able to seal Trihexia alone somehow lol
Well, in the war they were balanced. Each time they are mentioned, they are always put together.
And Rossweisse also did a seal for Trihexa. God of the bible just had great abilities to seal him.
And yeah, God of Bible > Maou. I meant, he is also 4 times stronger than a Satan Class, aka an Ultimate God Tier just as Indra, said by Azazel in volume 9. And that is an another reference of God of Bible being 4 times stronger.
Indra is one of the top ten strongest beings.... his power matches matches four satan-class devils only..... although Sirzechs and Ajuka are super devils and also part of the top ten strongest..
some fans expect Sairaorg will lose and next will be Indra vs Ise..... but I want Sairaorg to win against a god-class... i hope he gets a power up like Vali and Ise....then again considering their is an invaders from another world they need all the power up they can get....
Its been a long time since I read the novels. What is the last novel?
last volume of the main storyline is Shin Highschool DxD vol. 4 and short stories Volume DX7.... according to the fans the author is taking a rest due to his health and also they said around 2023 he'll release Shin vol.5 or another short stories.
Giuseppe1234
2023-03-08, 09:22
Sairaorg does need to fill the power gap. Just bridge it enough that Indra can’t fight Issei at full power. A culmination of Issei and Sairaorg being able to beat one of the best. Issei beats him. Sairaorg sets the stage.
The problem is technically Sairaorg can’t even got near Indra before to being eliminated with 1-2 shots. His teammates would be eliminated pretty fast without being able to do something.
Anyway Issei should be able to beat Indra only because weakened? If he can’t beat him at full force, how can Issei face up stronger opponents who are coming?
The problem is technically Sairaorg can’t even got near Indra before to being eliminated with 1-2 shots. His teammates would be eliminated pretty fast without being able to do something.
Anyway Issei should be able to beat Indra only because weakened? If he can’t beat him at full force, how can Issei face up stronger opponents who are coming?
Well if Ise can't beat Hades alone, how do you suppose he can beat Indra with his allies who are probably all God-class beings?
And it's not like Ise is going to fight a war alone nor can he win it alone. If he can, he would be soloing 666 now not Azazel, Sirzechs and many others.
Ise can't be the only one to grow stronger, all his allies/peers need to get stronger too if they want to win against their eventual enemy.
Well if Ise can't beat Hades alone, how do you suppose he can beat Indra with his allies who are probably all God-class beings?
And it's not like Ise is going to fight a war alone nor can he win it alone. If he can, he would be soloing 666 now not Azazel, Sirzechs and many others.
Ise can't be the only one to grow stronger, all his allies/peers need to get stronger too if they want to win against their eventual enemy.
in order for Sairaorg have a high chance of winning against Indra's team:
- His 'Breakdown the Beast' needs to extends its time limit and without its life threatening effects or maybe find a higher alternate form.
- Sacred Gear users in his peerage need a balance breakers.
- recruit strong individuals that can take on gods.
- he still has 1 mutation pawn piece so he might invite Shooting Star to join his peerage or team whichever you prefer.
As for the coming match of Issei's Team and Emperor Belial's Team. We know Belial's team keep winning due to their knowledge and experience of the rating game and the Emperor's strength is genuine considering his the Ultimate-class devil among Ultimate-class devil. His power might match Issei a super devil or he might recruit someone to fight against Issei. (My bet will be Crom Crauch considering he wanted to fight Issei when he awakens Great Red's power in him which is True DXD G form.)
Giuseppe1234
2023-03-11, 15:55
Well if Ise can't beat Hades alone, how do you suppose he can beat Indra with his allies who are probably all God-class beings?
And it's not like Ise is going to fight a war alone nor can he win it alone. If he can, he would be soloing 666 now not Azazel, Sirzechs and many others.
Ise can't be the only one to grow stronger, all his allies/peers need to get stronger too if they want to win against their eventual enemy.
It’s not the same thing, Issei until now could not release completely the power of DxD’s form (in a death match even P DxD would beat Hades) and now he has the possibility to fight even Indra at full power due to T DxD (perfect match to test the limit of the form).
Issei always defeated stronger opponents than him relying on himself and his power, for which reason now he should let beat a weakened opponent that’s even more absurd because Indra can’t be weakened by Sairaorg.
He will be one of the main force during the war, but it’s not like now he will win against stronger opponents because someone else weakened them.
Everyone is becoming stronger, but following logic, otherwise let’s make everyone top 10 level even if they never showed the potential or had it for the plot.
If you don’t include Regalzeva and his two strongest opponents DxD world is enough powerful to fight the current invasion. And the only ones with the potential to fight Dragon-God tier opponents are Issei, Vali and Balberith with Shiva being able to put a decent fight, but not defeating.
So I don’t see the urgency to make everyone immediately more powerful when the weakest servants of ExE are Dragon-king level, something easy to defeat for many of DxD team
An invasion is coming to their world. So they need all the powerup or uprades they can get. I won't be surprise that Shiva will assist Sairaorg's powerup like Indra did to Issei's. Shiva acknowledge his fist are pure destruction and he might know about the upcoming invasion so it make sense that he'll help him.
Giuseppe1234
2023-03-11, 22:28
An invasion is coming to their world. So they need all the powerup or uprades they can get. I won't be surprise that Shiva will assist Sairaorg's powerup like Indra did to Issei's. Shiva acknowledge his fist are pure destruction and he might know about the upcoming invasion so it make sense that he'll help him.
But there is a fundamental difference between Sairaorg and Issei: the second one had since the beginning the potential to be so powerful and reach such level. Indra helped Issei to hold that power for longer time, he didn’t give the power to be strong.
Sairaorg unless illogical power up has reached his potential: he can already release all the power of the Longinus reaching Over-maou class (unless his base become stronger, but it didn’t since his introduction). At beast he can achieve a form as powerful as the other one without high risks and a high consume of stamina, but the power would be always the same
It’s not like now Saji becomes heavenly dragon level because there is the invasion and everyone need to be stronger.
But there is a fundamental difference between Sairaorg and Issei: the second one had since the beginning the potential to be so powerful and reach such level. Indra helped Issei to hold that power for longer time, he didn’t give the power to be strong.
Sairaorg unless illogical power up has reached his potential: he can already release all the power of the Longinus reaching Over-maou class (unless his base become stronger, but it didn’t since his introduction). At beast he can achieve a form as powerful as the other one without high risks and a high consume of stamina, but the power would be always the same
It’s not like now Saji becomes heavenly dragon level because there is the invasion and everyone need to be stronger.
speaking of Saji that depends his feelings and determination. Sacred Gear tend to evolve into new Longinus which is abnormal in the sacred gear system
Any more power-ups for Sairaorg would mean he becomes Transcendental-class, technically. Not sure Ishi wants that.
In EX novel... Issei's kids and adult Gasper travel from the future to save their mother Asia and deliver a message to Azazel. They said that they have seven super devils(Ajuka included and Sirzechs excluded due to him fighting Trihexia in the barrier.) in the future. Considering time paradox Azazel mention that the invasion came early i won't be surprise that characters get more powerups to fight the invasion.
cyberdemon
2023-03-13, 18:43
In EX novel... Issei's kids and adult Gasper travel from the future to save their mother Asia and deliver a message to Azazel. They said that they have seven super devils(Ajuka included and Sirzechs excluded due to him fighting Trihexia in the barrier.) in the future. Considering time paradox Azazel mention that the invasion came early i won't be surprise that characters get more powerups to fight the invasion.
And we only know 4 of them: Ajuka, Issei, Vali, and Gasper. The time paradox isn’t limiting it to just 3 more either.
And we only know 4 of them: Ajuka, Issei, Vali, and Gasper. The time paradox isn’t limiting it to just 3 more either.
Technically, those three spots would be explained by Millicas, Bal and Verrine.
But yeah, the paradox might change some things.
one of the rules of time travel.. not just super devils it includes sacred gears evolving into longinus. I wont be surprise that Saji's Vritra sacred gear evolve into a longinus.
cyberdemon
2023-03-14, 09:06
one of the rules of time travel.. not just super devils it includes sacred gears evolving into longinus. I wont be surprise that Saji's Vritra sacred gear evolve into a longinus.
I could also see Kibas fusing together
one of the rules of time travel.. not just super devils it includes sacred gears evolving into longinus. I wont be surprise that Saji's Vritra sacred gear evolve into a longinus.
I'm surprised it isn't a Longinus because Fafnir's SG is an artificial Longinus. Vritra is the weakest Dragon King, but still comparable to the others.
Could be due to the fact that Vritra was split up into several Sacred Gears.
Giuseppe1234
2023-03-14, 09:10
Technically, those three spots would be explained by Millicas, Bal and Verrine.
But yeah, the paradox might change some things.
After the ones nominated Ingvild is the other devil with most potential to become a Super Devil.
There is Ex Gremory and I wouldn’t be surprised if he became a Super Devil having Galatine III, PoD and an artificial Boosted Gear, trained by Kiba and Vali.
Especially because is called the God Slayer of the Scarlett Blade and the ace of all the mythologies combined.
cyberdemon
2023-03-14, 21:04
I'm surprised it isn't a Longinus because Fafnir's SG is an artificial Longinus. Vritra is the weakest Dragon King, but still comparable to the others.
Could be due to the fact that Vritra was split up into several Sacred Gears.
His isn’t simply because they are still separate sg. We’ve seen them resonating more since Vritra awoke. Once they truly fuse together then they might be in the realm of the Longinus.
all our theory and speculations... is there any news for the next volume?!
all our theory and speculations... is there any news for the next volume?!
Nah, Ishi said SD 4 would be his next release. It was supposed to be released this March, but it seems like it was removed from the website sometime ago. Possibly, the release was postponed again.
Entirely possible that Shin DxD 5 could still be next year depending on when Slash Dog is released. But hopefully later this year.
i pray for his health to get better... i don't want him ended up dead like the authors of Zero no Tsukaima and Kaze no Stigma.
OK, I just saw someone on Twitter post earlier this month that SD 4 is meant to be released on March 17th (tomorrow).
I checked Ishi's blog and he hasn't posted since the Yen Press release of Vol 8 last year. He's always active on Twitter though.
Nah, Ishi said SD 4 would be his next release. It was supposed to be released this March, but it seems like it was removed from the website sometime ago. Possibly, the release was postponed again.
The post that was removed from the website showed SD 4's release date for 2025. Probably that's why it was removed. Confusing, but we'll know for sure by tomorrow.
now news about Shin DXD 5.
Issei met some gods but he didn't get to meet Aphrodite or other love goddesses
now news about Shin DXD 5.
Meh, I don't think we're getting it until next year at this point. SD 4 was postponed again. Best chance is if Ishi has written most of Shin DxD 5 already.
Issei met some gods but he didn't get to meet Aphrodite or other love goddesses
Yeah, I think Ishi should introduce Aphrodite, maybe when Issei meets Eros. He added a bunch of Greek gods/goddesses to his blog after Shin DxD 4, so it's a possibility.
Edit (from Ishi's blog):
Gods said to be based in
Olympus Greece.
・Main God Zeus
→ Apollo・Gods
・Poseidon
* Appeared
in the September 2011 short story of Dragon Magazine
・Hestia ・Aphrodite ・Hephaestus
・Tartarus
・Erebos
・Nyx
So Hestia and Aphrodite might still appear.
are there summaries for Dragon magazine... i can imagine Issei's interaction with Aphrodite
bluestahli1
2023-03-20, 11:17
I so want Aphrodite to appear in the series and get illustrated, she doesn't have to be a major character nor join his harem, I just want to see the illustrator to draw her in the author's imagining of her.
cyberdemon
2023-03-20, 12:09
Isseis chastity would be at risk if he met her lol. She was known to have many lovers as ancient Greek gods were known to do.
Maybe Shooting Star's devil ancestry might be Asmodeus one of the four great satans plus the unique trait of the clan is Starsend Moment especially the word 'star' it cant be a coincidence.
Maybe Shooting Star's devil ancestry might be Asmodeus one of the four great satans plus the unique trait of the clan is Starsend Moment especially the word 'star' it cant be a coincidence.
Bit of a long shot, but his ancestry could be anything so this doesn't sound too outlandish. He also seems to have freakish natural talent as well.
we all know Gasper and Millicus will become super devils in the future but due to the paradox of time travel they're might be more candidates so far this are the list that i'm only speculating:
Sairaorg Bael - still in a middle mastering his longinus Regulus Nemea. It might be interesting if he got a similar to Vali's Diabolos Dragon by linking their dormant power together into one.
Ingvild Leviathan - she got the talent and high-class longinus that can destroy the world.
I still personally think DxD forms are only available thanks to Ophis. Ophis granted both Ise & Vali the ability to transcend their Longinus limit. Vali himself never said he attained DxD with his hardwork or talents, he just told Ise he received blessings from Ophis too. And we already know Ophis' blessings can help improve or upgrade a person's stats.
Giuseppe1234
2023-03-29, 07:30
I still personally think DxD forms are only available thanks to Ophis. Ophis granted both Ise & Vali the ability to transcend their Longinus limit. Vali himself never said he attained DxD with his hardwork or talents, he just told Ise he received blessings from Ophis too. And we already know Ophis' blessings can help improve or upgrade a person's stats.
For Iseei is the case because his DxD form is based on Ophis’infinity power, but not for Vali. The blessing helped him to awaken his Lucifer’s power, something he always had but didn’t know.
Vali's case is combining his dormant Lucifer power and Albion's. As for Issei Pseudo DXD using power of infinity(Ophis) but True DXD combining with his dormant great red's power.
Yep, and Ophis' blessing still hasn't allowed Vali to tap into the full extent of his Lucifer powers. Once he awakens Lucifer's special trait (forgot the name), he should reach AxA Issei's level.
Giuseppe1234
2023-03-29, 09:11
Vali's case is combining his dormant Lucifer power and Albion's. As for Issei Pseudo DXD using power of infinity(Ophis) but True DXD combining with his dormant great red's power.
With what remained of great redÂ’s power because the majority was adsorbed by his familiar
cyberdemon
2023-03-29, 14:10
I can see Issei absorbing Great Reds power due to his flesh being linked to him. He’ll probably unleash it during the fight with Diehauser which allows him to take on his dragon form
Giuseppe1234
2023-03-29, 18:30
I can see Issei absorbing Great Reds power due to his flesh being linked to him. He’ll probably unleash it during the fight with Diehauser which allows him to take on his dragon form
I don’t see the necessity to unleash that power and get a power up to fight a maou-class devil
cyberdemon
2023-03-29, 20:10
I don’t see the necessity to unleash that power and get a power up to fight a maou-class devil
Diehauser is a master tactician and while overall weaker, he is far more experienced than Issei. Even if Issei doesn’t fully channel them, I could still see him needing a power up to manage a win. I do see him needing the full power boost to beat Indra though.
Yep, and Ophis' blessing still hasn't allowed Vali to tap into the full extent of his Lucifer powers. Once he awakens Lucifer's special trait (forgot the name), he should reach AxA Issei's level.
i'm curious about Lucifer's trait 'Demonic Brilliance of Evil Light'. Vali and Ise are both abnormal existence. Vali being a descendant of Lucifer and wielder of Divine Dividing but Ise's more abnormal considering he got revive by getting a new body from Ophis and Great Red.
Giuseppe1234
2023-03-30, 09:20
Diehauser is a master tactician and while overall weaker, he is far more experienced than Issei. Even if Issei doesn’t fully channel them, I could still see him needing a power up to manage a win. I do see him needing the full power boost to beat Indra though.
Oh yeah, the famous experience that never prevented Issei from defeating enemies more powerful than him with centuries of experience.
Even Sona is a master tactician, but the power gap made every strategy useless against Issei’s team. In the rating game against Typhoon’s team Ravel adapted the best strategy possible while the enemy team was displayed according to their own will, but at the end no strategy could fill the power gap and if it wasn’t for the sudden appearance of Ddraig they would have lost.
Master tactician and experience matter only when the power gap is not too much different, otherwise let’s say Diehauser can beat every God-class team due to tactic and experience.
P DxD is enough powerful to instantly beat a Maou-class and all those ultimate-class devil in a
Knockout stage rules say the King must be defeated, so tactics are already limited with that stipulation alone. Diehauser could have tried what Rias tried to do by taking Issei out before he transforms into True DxD, but now it wouldn't work.
So Diehauser must try to neutralize Dragon Deification somehow, but how? Worthless is probably worthless (hah) on the power of infinity. Ishi might need to asspull for this. But yeah, I actually agree that Issei might show a dragon transformation in this match.
cyberdemon
2023-03-30, 17:32
Knockout stage rules say the King must be defeated, so tactics are already limited with that stipulation alone. Diehauser could have tried what Rias tried to do by taking Issei out before he transforms into True DxD, but now it wouldn't work.
So Diehauser must try to neutralize Dragon Deification somehow, but how? Worthless is probably worthless (hah) on the power of infinity. Ishi might need to asspull for this. But yeah, I actually agree that Issei might show a dragon transformation in this match.
I could see it being unintentional. Diehauser is too focused on making Dragon deification worthless. Plus Ingvild empowering Issei with song. It awakens the true power of the flesh Great Red gave him that he turns into his dragon form.
I could see it being unintentional. Diehauser is too focused on making Dragon deification worthless. Plus Ingvild empowering Issei with song. It awakens the true power of the flesh Great Red gave him that he turns into his dragon form.
Probably. Diehauser would have no expectations of Issei actually turning into a dragon, so it's a viable way for Issei to win the match — assuming Dragon Deification is out of the equation.
Gonna have mixed feelings about that. On one hand, I want Issei to win with some tactical ingenuity rather than another powerup (even though a dragon form would be badass) but on another hand, Diehauser losing his undefeated streak to a tactically green King is a weird look.
Especially because I feel Diehauser will also find a way to neutralize Ravel and Roygun. Even for him, a combination of their smarts and experience should be too much. Ravel did push Rudiger to the brink, and Rudiger almost beat Diehauser. Should be a fun matchup, regardless.
cyberdemon
2023-03-30, 18:07
Probably. Diehauser would have no expectations of Issei actually turning into a dragon, so it's a viable way for Issei to win the match — assuming Dragon Deification is out of the equation.
Gonna have mixed feelings about that. On one hand, I want Issei to win with some tactical ingenuity rather than another powerup (even though a dragon form would be badass) but on another hand, Diehauser losing his undefeated streak to a tactically green King is a weird look.
Especially because I feel Diehauser will also find a way to neutralize Ravel and Roygun. Even for him, a combination of their smarts and experience should be too much. Ravel did push Rudiger to the brink, and Rudiger almost beat Diehauser. Should be a fun matchup, regardless.
Here’s a thought. What if Isseis team planned for it. They knew Diehauser would be focused on making Dragon Deification worthless but Ravel saw the opportunity of it as a chance to awaken Isseis flesh. Particularly if they realized Issei was receiving Some of Great Reds power after his death. By suppressing the Infinite, they awaken the dream. It’s the kind of situation not even Diehauser could plan for. They thought it was just Issei a further strength advantage but didn’t think he would turn into a dragon. Lol
Diehauser's power said to be in a satan-class or maybe above. ultimate-class devil among ultimate-class devil. But his also a strategist due to his knowledge of the rating game and remain undefeated in the tournament.
I want to see him and Ise in a one on one fight during the tournament. But in terms on strategist he might recruit someone that can stand against Ise's power. My bet will be Crom Crauch, he always wanted to fight Ise that now he finally awaken True DxD form i won't be surprise that he'll jump this chance to fight him.
cyberdemon
2023-03-30, 18:20
Here’s an interesting thought but what if Diehauser was the one to awaken a power up during the fight that put him at transcendental class like Issei. He’s already powerful so facing an anomaly like Issei could awaken something. He’s Likely never faced someone like Issei in a serious fight, since Issei was still weak enough to handle last time they did. If he is put on the defensive for the first time then who knows what will happen?
Here’s an interesting thought but what if Diehauser was the one to awaken a power up during the fight that put him at transcendental class like Issei. He’s already powerful so facing an anomaly like Issei could awaken something. He’s Likely never faced someone like Issei in a serious fight, since Issei was still weak enough to handle last time they did. If he is put on the defensive for the first time then who knows what will happen?
That would be interesting. but others stated that Diehauser's power is satan-class or maybe above but who knows maybe during the tournament will reveal his true strength. The match will be the combination of strength, speed, and tactics.
Also, I wonder how strong that potential dragon form would be for Issei. It seems like AxA is going to be his main form for the top-class Evies, so the dragon form should be weaker than that?
cyberdemon
2023-03-31, 15:35
Also, I wonder how strong that potential dragon form would be for Issei. It seems like AxA is going to be his main form for the top-class Evies, so the dragon form should be weaker than that?
It specializes in large scale attacks which says a lot considering the amount of large scale damage his armored form can do
It specializes in large scale attacks which says a lot considering the amount of large scale damage his armored form can do
since Ise's body made by Ophis and Great Red it make sense that he can achieve dragon form something Vali couldn't.
Oh yeah, it's weird how Ophis wants to make Vali a Dragon God even though Vali isn't an actual dragon.
For Iseei is the case because his DxD form is based on Ophis’infinity power, but not for Vali. The blessing helped him to awaken his Lucifer’s power, something he always had but didn’t know.
Vali's case is combining his dormant Lucifer power and Albion's. As for Issei Pseudo DXD using power of infinity(Ophis) but True DXD combining with his dormant great red's power.
I guess Kunou's Fox Dragon form is her from own potential too right? The people who had Ophis' snake is from their own potential too. I don't get why it's so hard for you all to accept that Ophis' blessing helped power up Vali too.
it occur to me that Vali's DxD form is result of linking together his dormant Lucifer's power and Albion's power while Isse's Pseudo DXD is using power of infinity while True DxD combining the power Infinity and Dreams along with his but it didnt combine Draig's. So Ise's next power up will be combining with Draig's.
it occur to me that Vali's DxD form is result of linking together his dormant Lucifer's power and Albion's power while Isse's Pseudo DXD is using power of infinity while True DxD combining the power Infinity and Dreams along with his but it didnt combine Draig's. So Ise's next power up will be combining with Draig's.
Issei has, at most, two more power-ups according to Ishi's blog at least. That should be ExE with the Heavenly Breasts and maybe the dragon form we talked about. Who knows.
Rias Gremory - we know she's talented but she cannot always have gasper all the time considering he'll become a future super devil. Since she's training with her ancestor Runeas, they're is a high chance she'll awaken a new trait or power up. she needs it considering she'll be Ise's legal wife.
Ingvild Leviathan - she hasn't awaken balance breaker yet. It might happen during in the tournament. I'm guessing the appearance of her BB is something a combination of a goddess and a songstress with her devil wings and water dragons circling around her.
Giuseppe1234
2023-04-02, 17:57
Rias Gremory - we know she's talented but she cannot always have gasper all the time considering he'll become a future super devil. Since she's training with her ancestor Runeas, they're is a high chance she'll awaken a new trait or power up. she needs it considering she'll be Ise's legal wife.
Ingvild Leviathan - she hasn't awaken balance breaker yet. It might happen during in the tournament. I'm guessing the appearance of her BB is something a combination of a goddess and a songstress with her devil wings and water dragons circling around her.
Even though she will be Issei’s legal wife she will never be in the top 3 of the most powerful women of the harem, neither 5 considering there are: Ingvild, Xenovia, Rossweisse, Akeno and Yasaka.
It’s more relevant for Ingvild to awaken completely her demoniac trait rather than the BxB that wouldn’t help her in a fight unless near the sea.
I remember you how Tefarme became much more powerful due to it, to the point she could one shot ultimate-class devils.
cyberdemon
2023-04-02, 19:01
Ingvild maybe, since she is similar to Vali with her potential, but the others are still a stretch. She still has the same genes as Sirzechs, so her potential is still immense since, unlike Diodora, she actively strive to find that potential.
Even though she will be Issei’s legal wife she will never be in the top 3 of the most powerful women of the harem, neither 5 considering there are: Ingvild, Xenovia, Rossweisse, Akeno and Yasaka.
Why not Akeno and Yasaka? Considering her ancestor is training her to unlock a special trait. I doubt Ishi would make her weaker than Akeno. They'd probably be equal.
Yasaka is Dragon King-class. Akeno will likely surpass that, so I think Rias should as well.
Giuseppe1234
2023-04-03, 05:51
Ingvild maybe, since she is similar to Vali with her potential, but the others are still a stretch. She still has the same genes as Sirzechs, so her potential is still immense since, unlike Diodora, she actively strive to find that potential.
It’s not because they are brother both of them must have an immense potential. All the direct descendants of the Maous had the genes of their fathers who were known to be strongest devils of ever, but did not help. She was never pointed to be someone abnormal like the actual Maou-class devils like Belial or Serafall who were monster since they were born.
Why not Akeno and Yasaka? Considering her ancestor is training her to unlock a special trait. I doubt Ishi would make her weaker than Akeno. They'd probably be equal.
Yasaka is Dragon King-class. Akeno will likely surpass that, so I think Rias should as well.
Akeno has always the holy lighting that gives her an advantage and can summon two powerful Oni, each able to easily blow away an attack from Rossweisse.
it all depends the result of their training. Something the old devils ignore considering they depend too much of their talent and demonic power which result they got crushed.
another possible power up are the chosen heavenly breasts receiving blessing from the chichigami or Ise giving them blessing considering not only he's a super devil but a new dragon god or great red whichever you prefer.
Akeno has always the holy lighting that gives her an advantage and can summon two powerful Oni, each able to easily blow away an attack from Rossweisse.
How is holy energy any more advantageous than literal disintegration energy? Also, we'd need to see Rias' powerup first before we can really compare her to Rose and the rest.
True Rias need a power up... Her fight with Grafyia, despite wearing Gasper her opponent wasn't in right mind. If it was the normal Grafyia things will get lot harder for Rias despite wearing Gasper. Though i'm curious who will win in that rematch. They're are times that Rias doesn't need Ise's wyvern and Gasper's power, she needs to stand on her own. Her training with Runeas will be necessary for her. All she needs the right motivation like telling her 'Are you Ise's legal wife' or something along the lines that will make her feel motivated.
cyberdemon
2023-04-03, 18:22
Honestly the Gremory need to have a special ability. The power of destruction is from their Bael line. Nothing unique has really been shown from the Gremory blood that I can remember. Though it has been a while since my last read through
Giuseppe1234
2023-04-04, 09:55
How is holy energy any more advantageous than literal disintegration energy? Also, we'd need to see Rias' powerup first before we can really compare her to Rose and the rest.
Isn’t holy energy the natural counter against demoniac power being the weakness of devils?
Rossweisse can easily overpower Akeno and was still able to fight her even though she summoned two extremely powerful Oni with the help of Elmenheilde.
Honestly the Gremory need to have a special ability. The power of destruction is from their Bael line. Nothing unique has really been shown from the Gremory blood that I can remember. Though it has been a while since my last read through
Considering Rias and Sirzechs were born with PoD as well their sons (Milicas and Ex), it became the special ability of Gremory because will be always passed down to the next generations.
Furthermore each member of Gremory family born with PoD is more powerful than Bael’s descendants with PoD
There will be three Super Devils using the PoD, giving away Venelana was an immense mistake
Decent debates these days.
Isn’t holy energy the natural counter against demoniac power being the weakness of devils?
Hm, was it said to weaken demonic power attacks? I'm not sure, but I also recall Sirzechs suppressing holy energy from a shrine with demonic power.
So it's possible both can counteract each other.
Honestly the Gremory need to have a special ability. The power of destruction is from their Bael line. Nothing unique has really been shown from the Gremory blood that I can remember. Though it has been a while since my last read through
The Gremory clan is known for their high demonic power and great control over it. On top of that they have the Power of Destruction from the Bael Clan that Sirzechs, Rias, Milicas, and Ex inherited. their clan is blessed powerful Power of Destruction than the Bael Clan although Sairaorg's fist is enough that cause destruction in his way.
Hm, was it said to weaken demonic power attacks? I'm not sure, but I also recall Sirzechs suppressing holy energy from a shrine with demonic power.
So it's possible both can counteract each other.
That depends how powerful the demonic power the devil has. If he/she has powerful demonic power then he/she can repel holy power. But their are such cases if a Devil has a unique trait like Falbium's Absolute Defense and Gressil's Resistance.
That depends how powerful the demonic power the devil has. If he/she has powerful demonic power then he/she can repel holy power. But their are such cases if a Devil has a unique trait like Falbium's Absolute Defense and Gressil's Resistance.
Both could counter each other, though I wonder why demonic power doesn't seem to do extra damage against angels. Seems one-sided.
Both could counter each other, though I wonder why demonic power doesn't seem to do extra damage against angels. Seems one-sided.
That depends how powerful demonic power is.. look it Rizevim, he took Michael's huge spear of light head on without any damage then again considering he's a super devil. And that depends the devils' unique traits they possessed.
Giuseppe1234
2023-04-07, 19:20
Both could counter each other, though I wonder why demonic power doesn't seem to do extra damage against angels. Seems one-sided.
Because demoniac power isn’t Angels’weakness while Holy energy is for Devils due to Gods of Bible and his system.
Because demoniac power isn’t Angels’weakness while Holy energy is for Devils due to Gods of Bible and his system.
Yeah, I am wondering why Ishi didn't make angels weak to demonic power. Little wonder all of the original Maou died.
Giuseppe1234
2023-04-09, 18:23
Yeah, I am wondering why Ishi didn't make angels weak to demonic power. Little wonder all of the original Maou died.
For me is rather the contrary, even though GoB was weakened due to have sealed Trihexa, he was always a powerful God who had the strongest holy power of the story and even if he faced the four Maous, he was still supported by Michael and Gabriel who are maous-class (Serafall consideres her her rival) and the others Archangels who are enough powerful to face the old Maous.
Anyway the Holy power if there is a power gap isn’t much useful.
Yeah, I am wondering why Ishi didn't make angels weak to demonic power. Little wonder all of the original Maou died.
I think holy power is effective upon physical contact against devils. As for the devils that depends how powerful their demonic power is that they can oppose holy power. Although their is some cases like Sairaorg, who took the wave of durandal head on unscathed.
For me is rather the contrary, even though GoB was weakened due to have sealed Trihexa, he was always a powerful God who had the strongest holy power of the story and even if he faced the four Maous, he was still supported by Michael and Gabriel who are maous-class (Serafall consideres her her rival) and the others Archangels who are enough powerful to face the old Maous.
Anyway the Holy power if there is a power gap isn’t much useful.
it might be depends the strength and the weapons they used.
In retrospect, they could have used the Malebranche since they ended up dying anyway. :heh:
I wonder how the devil Civil War would have gone if Sirzechs and the rest had to fight the Malebranche instead.
In retrospect, they could have used the Malebranche since they ended up dying anyway. :heh:
I wonder how the devil Civil War would have gone if Sirzechs and the rest had to fight the Malebranche instead.
Things will get difficult considering Malebranche is the devil's version sacred gear it is also dangerous for the wielder because it depends on compatibility and itself are dangerous battle maniacs that can kill them in their sleep. Nebiros probably planning to release them when all longinus are gathered although they're will be more longinus that since sacred gear tend to evolve into new longinus but depends on the wielder.
Giuseppe1234
2023-04-11, 13:42
In retrospect, they could have used the Malebranche since they ended up dying anyway. :heh:
I wonder how the devil Civil War would have gone if Sirzechs and the rest had to fight the Malebranche instead.
It depends if Sirzechs and Ajuka were already so powerful like now because Melabranche are considered enough powerful to fight a whole mythology and even win (except for Hindu pantheon).
It depends if Sirzechs and Ajuka were already so powerful like now because Melabranche are considered enough powerful to fight a whole mythology and even win (except for Hindu pantheon).
Wait, really? I don't remember it being stated that they could win against an entire mythology. That sounds really extreme.
Giuseppe1234
2023-04-11, 17:20
Wait, really? I don't remember it being stated that they could win against an entire mythology. That sounds really extreme.
Why would we, other than a civil war against the Resistance?... The Second Great War between the three factions”
The head of House Nebiros, in response gave a suspicious smile:
“Or maybe with another faction; a war against a mythological deity”
It’s from high school zero
Why would we, other than a civil war against the Resistance?... The Second Great War between the three factions”
The head of House Nebiros, in response gave a suspicious smile:
“Or maybe with another faction; a war against a mythological deity”
It’s from high school zero
Nebiros spending their time studying Malebranche. So its possible they gonna reveal it the world.
Demonic Brilliance of Evil Light, i'm guessing it's an ability similar to angel's light ability but exact opposite that can deal effective damage against angels and other holy beings.
Demonic Brilliance of Evil Light, i'm guessing it's an ability similar to angel's light ability but exact opposite that can deal effective damage against angels and other holy beings.
IDK if Ishibumi would run with that since the major enemies are the Malebranche (demonic weapons) and the Evies. So it wouldn't really be effective on them.
It'd probably be fine if it boosts him to Dragon God-class though.
Xenovia -she's aiming to surpass Vasco Strada. She'll just polishing her destructive abilities while using Durandal and Excalibur's sheath aside regeneration semi-immortal it might have reflect/shield ability similar to Saber's Avalon.
Irina - polishing her basic abilities as well her swordsmanship.
Rossweiss - mastering all kinds of magic rather than norse type.
Ravel - clan trait and strategic mind etc.
Ouryuu - possible candidate of strongest humans
Giuseppe1234
2023-04-13, 11:12
Xenovia -she's aiming to surpass Vasco Strada. She'll just polishing her destructive abilities while using Durandal and Excalibur's sheath aside regeneration semi-immortal it might have reflect/shield ability similar to Saber's Avalon.
Irina - polishing her basic abilities as well her swordsmanship.
Rossweiss - mastering all kinds of magic rather than norse type.
Ravel - clan trait and strategic mind etc.
Ouryuu - possible candidate of strongest humans
I don’t think Rossweisse really needs a power-up, her raw power is far above Akeno and trough some boost from the wyverns she can create a barrier enough powerful to trap a Super Devil like Verrine. So she should be easily able to trap maou-class beings in barriers.
Xenovia -she's aiming to surpass Vasco Strada. She'll just polishing her destructive abilities while using Durandal and Excalibur's sheath aside regeneration semi-immortal it might have reflect/shield ability similar to Saber's Avalon.
Irina - polishing her basic abilities as well her swordsmanship.
Rossweiss - mastering all kinds of magic rather than norse type.
Ravel - clan trait and strategic mind etc.
Ouryuu - possible candidate of strongest humans
I always thought Irina should have gotten an armour made out of Issei's dividing wyverns, as the counterpart to Xenovia's Crimson Destruction Dragonar. So, she would have Divide and Reflect. Or maybe Heaven can make a new weapon for her. Hauteclere doesn't seem strong enough.
Ouryuu can learn to drain energy from his opponents through the earth. Bova is also coming back stronger.
cyberdemon
2023-04-13, 19:54
Xenovia -she's aiming to surpass Vasco Strada. She'll just polishing her destructive abilities while using Durandal and Excalibur's sheath aside regeneration semi-immortal it might have reflect/shield ability similar to Saber's Avalon.
Irina - polishing her basic abilities as well her swordsmanship.
Rossweiss - mastering all kinds of magic rather than norse type.
Ravel - clan trait and strategic mind etc.
Ouryuu - possible candidate of strongest humans
For Rossweiss, she should train under Vali. He’d welcome the extra challenge it could bring and they are both geniuses in magic.
Ravel should train under Diehauser once they beat him. He could become an advisor to the team as well for the match with Indra
For Rossweiss, she should train under Vali. He’d welcome the extra challenge it could bring and they are both geniuses in magic.
Ravel should train under Diehauser once they beat him. He could become an advisor to the team as well for the match with Indra
Rosswiess is a genius in the field of magic, all she has to do is learn other kinds of magic. She doesn't need a tutor.
Having Diehauser mentor Ravel that will be interesting. The match between Sairaorg and Indra. I know how badly outmatch Sairaorg's team against a Team of Gods. Something interesting might happen in their match though i'm hoping for Sairaorg team to win.
King - Issei
Queen - Ingvild
Rook - Rossweiss
Bishop - Asia
Bishop - Ravel
Knight - Xenovia
Knight - Irina
Rook - Roygun
Pawns - Ooryuu, Bova, Eminhilde
although their dealing with the undefeated emperor of the rating games they need to comeup a better line up. Benia is a best choice with her speed or any members in Rias' peerage but my guess will be Rias, it might be her golden chance against the emperor plus showing the result of her training with Runeas.
For me is rather the contrary, even though GoB was weakened due to have sealed Trihexa, he was always a powerful God who had the strongest holy power of the story and even if he faced the four Maous, he was still supported by Michael and Gabriel who are maous-class (Serafall consideres her her rival) and the others Archangels who are enough powerful to face the old Maous.
Anyway the Holy power if there is a power gap isn’t much useful.
Michael nor Gabriel nor any archangels are Satan Class, they are Ultimate Class.
God of Bible was equal to the Yondai Maou together while the archangels fought Ultimate class devils.
Look at Azazel who needed balance breaker to fight a real maou class
Giuseppe1234
2023-04-26, 13:17
Michael nor Gabriel nor any archangels are Satan Class, they are Ultimate Class.
God of Bible was equal to the Yondai Maou together while the archangels fought Ultimate class devils.
Look at Azazel who needed balance breaker to fight a real maou class
“Yes, he who is the Dragon that possesses infinite power. For the sake of the worldÂ’s reformation, I borrowed a little of his power. Thanks to that, I can fight against you. ThereÂ’s even a chance that I can beat Sirzechs and Michael. TheyÂ’re such foolish Governors, and so are you.”
So catleya, after she absorbed the snake that allowed her to reach the maou-class affirm she can fight now Azazel thank to that and has a possibility to beat even Michael.
“Such power! Even though you can say the Fallen Angel Governor AzazelÂ’s power is the first or second most powerful of those here today! And then”
During the conference between the three factions
Azazel is stated to be equal to Barakiel and Serafall considers Gabriel as her rival for a reason.
He needs a power up to face indra and his team of gods. Shiva might assist him (similar to Indra assisting Issei.) Or something similar to Vali's merging his dormant power with Regulus'. It might akin to from 'Beast of Supremacy' to 'Beast of Destruction'. Who knows he might end up similar to Jiren.
“Yes, he who is the Dragon that possesses infinite power. For the sake of the worldÂ’s reformation, I borrowed a little of his power. Thanks to that, I can fight against you. ThereÂ’s even a chance that I can beat Sirzechs and Michael. TheyÂ’re such foolish Governors, and so are you.”
So catleya, after she absorbed the snake that allowed her to reach the maou-class affirm she can fight now Azazel thank to that and has a possibility to beat even Michael.
“Such power! Even though you can say the Fallen Angel Governor AzazelÂ’s power is the first or second most powerful of those here today! And then”
During the conference between the three factions
Azazel is stated to be equal to Barakiel and Serafall considers Gabriel as her rival for a reason.
Ise considers Saji one of his rivals, should we assume Saji is Super Devil candidate then? Tannin who is supposedly Maou-class in power teamed up with his dragons to corner one Bandersnatch while Serafall took on one herself. Even outside of his true form, Ddraig feels that Sirzechs is stronger the original Lucifer.
At the end, we never had any confirmation if Serafall or Falbium is stronger or weaker than the original Leviathan or Asmodeus so we just assume they're equal in strength. But if the 2nd generation maou are all stronger than the original, wouldn't it mean that the power scaling left behind by the original maou-class is outdated then?
Even outside of his true form, Ddraig feels that Sirzechs is stronger the original Lucifer.
At the end, we never had any confirmation if Serafall or Falbium is stronger or weaker than the original Leviathan or Asmodeus so we just assume they're equal in strength. But if the 2nd generation maou are all stronger than the original, wouldn't it mean that the power scaling left behind by the original maou-class is outdated then?
Pretty sure Zero confirms that the current Maou are stronger than the first generation.
Giuseppe1234
2023-04-27, 05:24
Ise considers Saji one of his rivals, should we assume Saji is Super Devil candidate then? Tannin who is supposedly Maou-class in power teamed up with his dragons to corner one Bandersnatch while Serafall took on one herself. Even outside of his true form, Ddraig feels that Sirzechs is stronger the original Lucifer.
At the end, we never had any confirmation if Serafall or Falbium is stronger or weaker than the original Leviathan or Asmodeus so we just assume they're equal in strength. But if the 2nd generation maou are all stronger than the original, wouldn't it mean that the power scaling left behind by the original maou-class is outdated then?
Ise considered Saji a rival since the beginning of the story when they were both extremely weak.
Tannin is only maou-class in power meanwhile Serafall is stronger than the original maous
All the current maous are described to be more powerful than the original maous as well Grayfia and Issei in CxC
Super Devil Levels - Sirzechs, Ajuka, Rizevim, Ise, Vali, Balberith, and Verrine
Above Satan Level - Rias(Forbidden Balor Armor) and Sairaorg(Breakdown the Beast)
Satan level - Serafall, Falbium, Grafia, Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, Raphael, Azazel, Baraquel, Diehauser....
Ise considered Saji a rival since the beginning of the story when they were both extremely weak.
Tannin is only maou-class in power meanwhile Serafall is stronger than the original maous
All the current maous are described to be more powerful than the original maous as well Grayfia and Issei in CxC
And your point is? I don't recall Ise ever said he no longer consider Saji his rival.
Super Devil Levels - Sirzechs, Ajuka, Rizevim, Ise, Vali, Balberith, and Verrine
Above Satan Level - Rias(Forbidden Balor Armor) and Sairaorg(Breakdown the Beast)
Satan level - Serafall, Falbium, Grafia, Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, Raphael, Azazel, Baraquel, Diehauser....
They just mentioned per DxD Zero, the current Maou & Grayfia are stronger than the original ones. Even if Azazel is as strong as the original, i won't list him as the same level as the current Maou.
All of these characters can be Maou-class. It's just like Mid-class and High-class have low-tier, mid-tier and high-tier. Triaina Issei was Ultimate-class and so was True Queen initially. For example, Balance Breaker Issei was stated to be in the high-tier of High-class in the mid-class promotion exams. We're also told about the devils in the exams being in the high-tier of Mid-class.
Fenrir was stated as Heavenly Dragon-class, but he's obviously somewhat weaker than Ddraig and Albion.
So, the current Maou could just be in the high-tier of Maou-class whereas the original Maou could be low-tier or mid-tier of Maou-class. Something like that.
All of these characters can be Maou-class. It's just like Mid-class and High-class have low-tier, mid-tier and high-tier. Triaina Issei was Ultimate-class and so was True Queen initially. For example, Balance Breaker Issei was stated to be in the high-tier of High-class in the mid-class promotion exams. We're also told about the devils in the exams being in the high-tier of Mid-class.
Fenrir was stated as Heavenly Dragon-class, but he's obviously somewhat weaker than Ddraig and Albion.
So, the current Maou could just be in the high-tier of Maou-class whereas the original Maou could be low-tier or mid-tier of Maou-class. Something like that.
that depends the result of their training. In the past Devils believed demonic power and talent determines everything but all changes when they face someone stronger than them through the result of training. Sairaorg defeat his younger brother for the position of the next head then defeat several pureblood devils which cause some the defeated devils to lose their will to fight when they face a harsh reality that their demonic power is useless against him. The same goes for Riser who hit rock bottom after experiencing his first defeat at the hands of Ise. Although he bounce back reform and realize the value of training, during their rematch he manage to fight evenly against Ise in his Scale armor and manage to hold his own in his True Queen form despite being overwhelm by its power. If Ise in his DxD form, Riser get KO in an instant.. :)
Though if we ever get to see Ise vs Ruval?
Simply put as long as Devils train, they all have a chance to become stronger.
Simply put as long as Devils train, they all have a chance to become stronger.
Yes.... the same goes for angels, fallen angels, and other species
Yes.... the same goes for angels, fallen angels, and other species
Not sure about other species, Azazel & Barakiel didn't seem to get any stronger, i doubt they don't train at all especially with the Khaos Brigade around. Of course, we could say they've potentially reach the peak of their abilities already with their age & all hence why they engage into SG research. It's their hobby and at the same time, their means to get stronger i suppose.
Now that i mention this myself, i suppose technological advancement can also lead to them becoming stronger i suppose. If the myths starts to share their technology, knowledge, skills etc. They could potentially create weapons that can easily surpass ones that is made solely from their own myth. Damn i can see Azazel crying while cursing Rizevim & 666, he got locked away at the best timing when he improve his researches.
We know Evie and Malbrache are the main antagonist. how about some minors.
Lord Bael - Sairaorg and Madaran's father. We know his a very jealous man and also prideful. it won't be a surprise that Nebiro's temp him to gain more power through Malbrache.
Probably Euclid and some other pure-blood devil purists.
Now I am wondering if Malacoda will be close to the likes of Shiva or the Hindu Gods since it's said he should never be unsealed. Shouldn't be too strange with Super Devils like Balberith having Dragon God-class potential.
But man, devils get all the good abilities and power-ups. Heaven needs some love. :heh:
Immortal Emperor
2023-05-04, 20:16
True Rias need a power up... Her fight with Grafyia, despite wearing Gasper her opponent wasn't in right mind. If it was the normal Grafyia things will get lot harder for Rias despite wearing Gasper. Though i'm curious who will win in that rematch. They're are times that Rias doesn't need Ise's wyvern and Gasper's power, she needs to stand on her own. Her training with Runeas will be necessary for her. All she needs the right motivation like telling her 'Are you Ise's legal wife' or something along the lines that will make her feel motivated.
Rias' power will grow naturally in time. It's not like she uses Gasper all the time. She only uses it against Maou or God class beings because they are above her level. Anyone below those levels, Rias fights normally. In the rematch between Balor Rias and Grayfia, Grayfia would lose even in the right state of mind. Rias has too much of an edge because of her greater raw power and hax abilities.
No in a rematch between Rias and Grafyia. Rias' balor form consumes a lot of stamina and if Grafyia is in a right state of mind then the match would be difficult for Rias. power is important that includes mental strength as well. Teamwork is important but their are times they need strength as an individual when fighting alone. Rias will not always rely on Issei's wyverns and Gasper's balor all the time when facing a stronger opponent which is why her training with Runeas will draw out her latent potential. After all Devils get stronger through training which something the old devils denied in the past.
cyberdemon
2023-05-05, 18:12
No in a rematch between Rias and Grafyia. Rias' balor form consumes a lot of stamina and if Grafyia is in a right state of mind then the match would be difficult for Rias. power is important that includes mental strength as well. Teamwork is important but their are times they need strength as an individual when fighting alone. Rias will not always rely on Issei's wyverns and Gasper's balor all the time when facing a stronger opponent which is why her training with Runeas will draw out her latent potential. After all Devils get stronger through training which something the old devils denied in the past.
Demons are also powered by desire and Grayfia was essentially running on autopilot due to her grief. As such both her mental and physical strength dropped too much
Giuseppe1234
2023-05-06, 06:10
No in a rematch between Rias and Grafyia. Rias' balor form consumes a lot of stamina and if Grafyia is in a right state of mind then the match would be difficult for Rias. power is important that includes mental strength as well. Teamwork is important but their are times they need strength as an individual when fighting alone. Rias will not always rely on Issei's wyverns and Gasper's balor all the time when facing a stronger opponent which is why her training with Runeas will draw out her latent potential. After all Devils get stronger through training which something the old devils denied in the past.
It wouldn’t change nothing, Balor’s form is over-maou-class and she has hax skills like time stop and the possibility to move in the shadows as well her PoD can counter attacks from opponents much stronger than her.
The stamine consume is not a relevant issue, even Breakdown the Beast has a problem of stamina because uses Sairaorg’s life force, but Issei stated due to the difference in raw power he has to use P DxD against him because CxC would be useless.
It wouldn’t change nothing, Balor’s form is over-maou-class and she has hax skills like time stop and the possibility to move in the shadows as well her PoD can counter attacks from opponents much stronger than her.
The stamine consume is not a relevant issue, even Breakdown the Beast has a problem of stamina because uses Sairaorg’s life force, but Issei stated due to the difference in raw power he has to use P DxD against him because CxC would be useless.
Balor's form consumes both Rias' and Gasper's stamina. If they have a rematch Rias will have a hard time against the normal state of mind Grafyia. I didn't say she'll win just i mean having a difficult time considering Grafyia is as far more experienced than her considering Grafyia was part of the Devil Civil War. As for Sairaorg's breakdown the Beast, indeed that form he'll be above satan-class but he can use it a short-period of time using his life-force without suffering any negative effects. So he really needs alternate form considering he'll be facing Indra.
Giuseppe1234
2023-05-06, 09:44
Balor's form consumes both Rias' and Gasper's stamina. If they have a rematch Rias will have a hard time against the normal state of mind Grafyia. I didn't say she'll win just i mean having a difficult time considering Grafyia is as far more experienced than her considering Grafyia was part of the Devil Civil War. As for Sairaorg's breakdown the Beast, indeed that form he'll be above satan-class but he can use it a short-period of time using his life-force without suffering any negative effects. So he really needs alternate form considering he'll be facing Indra.
So? Issei faced opponents with thousands of years of experience but it was never relevant in their fights, so I don’t see why Grayfia’s experience should be against Rias.
Issei was literally dying against Apophis due to DxD G and couldn’t sustain it for much time, but it didn’t allowed him to defeat Apophis.
There is not competition between over-maou class and maou-class fighters
So? Issei faced opponents with thousands of years of experience but it was never relevant in their fights, so I don’t see why Grayfia’s experience should be against Rias.
Issei was literally dying against Apophis due to DxD G and couldn’t sustain it for much time, but it didn’t allowed him to defeat Apophis.
There is not competition between over-maou class and maou-class fighters
Grafyia couldn't utilize her abilities because her head is not in the game which affect her performance against Rias. She's suffering because she misses her husband so it's natural that will affect her mentally.
Sun Wukong is the best example that power isn't everything. Experience plays a factor. To cover for his old age, he doesn't fight with purely power like Ise or Vali, he knows his strength and weakness so he fights with that in mind. Can you say Grayfia is her mental state of grieving is capable of rational thinking? Just look back at Volume 12, Rias and her friends were so distraught over Ise's "death" to the point they couldn't perform against Siegfried at all despite outnumbering him. They couldn't even perform at half of their abilities just because of how badly they're grieving at that time.
This is part of the reason why i partly felt the past few volume's fight writing was quite poor. Before Ishibumi would think about how people like Cao Cao would fight, instead of matching at his opponent's strength. Cao Cao used to fight using his own strength or advantage that's why he was able to beat Gremory + Vali team in V11 but somehow during his fight with Sairaorg he suddenly switch to fighting like Sairaorg.
so far Saji's Vritra sacred gear is a possible candidate to evolve into a longinus.
cyberdemon
2023-05-08, 08:19
so far Saji's Vritra sacred gear is a possible candidate to evolve into a longinus.
If Kiba could fuse his holy and demonic swords SG into 1 then it could have the potential as well
Although we talked about this before, I'm still nominating Toutetsu. It can eat just about anything and has better raw power than Canis Lykaon and Absolute Demise.
Giuseppe1234
2023-05-08, 13:32
so far Saji's Vritra sacred gear is a possible candidate to evolve into a longinus.
If Saji wasn’t such a power-idiot it would have already evolved into a Longinus his Sacred Gear. It has hax abilities able to harm God-class beings.
If Saji wasn’t such a power-idiot it would have already evolved into a Longinus his Sacred Gear. It has hax abilities able to harm God-class beings.
Nah, Saji has always used his abilities like a technique-type since he first showed his SG. That's basically the style of Sona's peerage.
Plus, even in the DX 4 volume where he fought like a power idiot, we're told that he usually uses his SG in diverse ways to support his team members in the tournament.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-05-09, 15:24
so far Saji's Vritra sacred gear is a possible candidate to evolve into a longinus.
Zarmag I was thinking that perhaps Issei could give to Saji some of his blood or a gem of his armor that could cause a sort of evolution of Vritra's sacred gear.
If Kiba could fuse his holy and demonic swords SG into 1 then it could have the potential as well
For fight the Eevie it seem that every character must need to have a power up, so I believe it could be possible that Kiba would be able to merged together his two BXB and the holy and demoniac swords.
I have even though that maybe Issei with Ryuuuteimaru could make weapons that could be used by his allies.
Although we talked about this before, I'm still nominating Toutetsu. It can eat just about anything and has better raw power than Canis Lykaon and Absolute Demise.
Xuanwu maybe in the Slash Dog Volume that have to be released it would be show something about Toutetsu.
Maybe long the Azazel Cup or to fight the Eevie or the Malebranche Shigune will have something like a Abyss Side BXB that allow her to fight god class beings.
If Kiba could fuse his holy and demonic swords SG into 1 then it could have the potential as well
During their rematch, Saji entangled Issei with his dark tentacles surely he absorb his power. I won't be surprise that will cause Saji's Sacred Gear to evolve to a longinus. So far his level is a Dragon King-class or Satan-class
Hyodou True DXD
2023-05-13, 07:58
During their rematch, Saji entangled Issei with his dark tentacles surely he absorb his power. I won't be surprise that will cause Saji's Sacred Gear to evolve to a longinus. So far his level is a Dragon King-class or Satan-class
Why not?
The DXD need more longinus's user as possible and since the Eevie in their army have guys of Top 10, Dragon God and above Dragon God's tier then for me it would not be a problem if Saji get a power up that could seem random and rushed.
cyberdemon
2023-05-13, 19:30
During their rematch, Saji entangled Issei with his dark tentacles surely he absorb his power. I won't be surprise that will cause Saji's Sacred Gear to evolve to a longinus. So far his level is a Dragon King-class or Satan-class
Both Saji and Kibas SG have the potential to evolve because it is abnormal to have more than 1 SG. Saji has the natural affinity to the dragon so permanent fusion is pretty much guaranteed. Kibas are normally polar opposites but his BB creates an instability. This could allow him to create holy demonic swords as just a base and create a new BB that transcends even those
Zarmag I was thinking that perhaps Issei could give to Sanji some of his blood or a gem of his armor that could cause a sort of evolution of Vritra's sacred gear.
For fight the Eevie it seem that every character must need to have a power up, so I believe it could be possible that Kiba would be able to merged together his two BXB and the holy and demoniac swords.
I have even though that maybe Issei with Ryuuuteimaru could make weapons that could be used by his allies.
Xuanwu maybe in the Slash Dog Volume that have to be released it would be show something about Toutetsu.
Maybe long the Azazel Cup or to fight the Eevie or the Malebranche Shigune will have something like a Abyss Side BXB that allow her to fight god class beings.
1. Who is Sanji?
2. Saji already absorb Ise's blood into his SG in V5. That's why Vritra awakened.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-05-14, 07:18
1. Who is Sanji?
2. Saji already absorb Ise's blood into his SG in V5. That's why Vritra awakened.
My fault...
Yeah I remember, for that I wonder what could happened if Saji absorb the blood of current Issei that now have the powers of GR and Ophis?
At this point many of the characters must get a power up considering how strong the Eevie are.
My fault...
Yeah I remember, for that I wonder what could happened if Saji absorb the blood of current Issei that now have the powers of GR and Ophis?
At this point many of the characters must get a power up considering how strong the Eevie are.
That depends the changes of the timeline, paradox, or the butterfly effect etc. Due Gasper and Issei's kids time travel. So their will be more longinus, super devils, etc.
cyberdemon
2023-05-17, 15:34
Saji has the best chance to gain a Longinus. However I don’t think he has a chance to become a super devil. However he could have the potential to become the next Diehauser. He is strong but is more tactical in nature. Though I guess depending it could also depend on just how much stronger his SG becomes after fusing. Maybe Issei should put him through the dragon fire obstacle course for a summer lmao
Hyodou True DXD
2023-05-19, 04:29
That depends the changes of the timeline, paradox, or the butterfly effect etc. Due Gasper and Issei's kids time travel. So their will be more longinus, super devils, etc.
Speaking about possible Super Devils I wonder if it could be possible that Sairoarg could find a alternative to Breakdown The Beast and reach the Super Devil's level when he have to fight the Eevie? Maybe he would have to make a special training under Sun Wukong and Nehza for improving his Touki and get a new form thanks it.
Also there is the Malebranche that basically were called Sacred Gears of devils, it could be that Rias could use one of them?
For what concern Rias I was also thinking that maybe be one of the Heavenly Breast could also mean get a blessing/power up from Chichigami. Maybe Rias would temporarily became strong than Sizerch thanks Chigami or Issei.
Saji has the best chance to gain a Longinus. However I don’t think he has a chance to become a super devil. However he could have the potential to become the next Diehauser. He is strong but is more tactical in nature. Though I guess depending it could also depend on just how much stronger his SG becomes after fusing. Maybe Issei should put him through the dragon fire obstacle course for a summer lmao
I remember that Ishi have said that there could still be some Vitra's SG that were not yet introduced in the story. If he haven't forgot that maybe Saji could have another HAX to add to his powers.
There is that Dragon Rage in which Bova lately was training under Crom maybe Saji too could have a special dragon's training.
I almost forgot about Dragon Range. Issei should go there to train for his dragon form.
Anyway, what do people think about Sefaira? As in, why do the Evies want her so bad? She probably has some kind of unique ability, but what could it be?
cyberdemon
2023-05-19, 16:33
I almost forgot about Dragon Range. Issei should go there to train for his dragon form.
Anyway, what do people think about Sefaira? As in, why do the Evies want her so bad? She probably has some kind of unique ability, but what could it be?
Well she seems to be related to one of the evies top brass since she also has the name Seraselbes. They could fear her potential is she is starts outright fighting them.
Speaking about possible Super Devils I wonder if it could be possible that Sairoarg could find a alternative to Breakdown The Beast and reach the Super Devil's level when he have to fight the Eevie? Maybe he would have to make a special training under Sun Wukong and Nehza for improving his Touki and get a new form thanks it.
Also there is the Malebranche that basically were called Sacred Gears of devils, it could be that Rias could use one of them?
For what concern Rias I was also thinking that maybe be one of the Heavenly Breast could also mean get a blessing/power up from Chichigami. Maybe Rias would temporarily became strong than Sizerch thanks Chigami or Issei.
I remember that Ishi have said that there could still be some Vitra's SG that were not yet introduced in the story. If he haven't forgot that maybe Saji could have another HAX to add to his powers.
There is that Dragon Rage in which Bova lately was training under Crom maybe Saji too could have a special dragon's training.
If there is more SG for Vitra than that changes my opinion. If Saji does a proper dragon training and gain the rest of the SG then maybe he does have a chance at being a super devil.
Well she seems to be related to one of the evies top brass since she also has the name Seraselbes. They could fear her potential is she is starts outright fighting them.
If there is more SG for Vitra than that changes my opinion. If Saji does a proper dragon training and gain the rest of the SG then maybe he does have a chance at being a super devil.
You mean potential, as in sheer power? Because people like Ophis and Great Red don't mean anything to the top echelon of ExE.
So I doubt it's sheer power. She's a miko, so I'm thinking some kind of divination ability.
You mean potential, as in sheer power? Because people like Ophis and Great Red don't mean anything to the top echelon of ExE.
So I doubt it's sheer power. She's a miko, so I'm thinking some kind of divination ability.
She might be a candidate for Ise's Peerage
cyberdemon
2023-05-19, 20:58
She might be a candidate for Ise's Peerage
Well it is pointed out he has a mutation piece just as she is introduced. I doubt it is coincidence
The elf and cyborg girls Ishi talked about for Issei's harem might also be from other worlds.
But I'm a bit surprised. I'd have thought Issei would date someone from Chichigami's faction if he had to marry an alien.
Speaking about possible Super Devils I wonder if it could be possible that Sairoarg could find a alternative to Breakdown The Beast and reach the Super Devil's level when he have to fight the Eevie? Maybe he would have to make a special training under Sun Wukong and Nehza for improving his Touki and get a new form thanks it.
Also there is the Malebranche that basically were called Sacred Gears of devils, it could be that Rias could use one of them?
So many potential Super Devils especially with the Malebranche. Ishi should try and throw the angels a bone. :heh:
Actually, what do people think about a Divine Dividing Scale Mail for Irina using Issei's dividing wyverns?
cyberdemon
2023-05-20, 05:28
The elf and cyborg girls Ishi talked about for Issei's harem might also be from other worlds.
But I'm a bit surprised. I'd have thought Issei would date someone from Chichigami's faction if he had to marry an alien.
Isn’t Sefaira a Miko to chichigami?
Hyodou True DXD
2023-05-20, 05:39
Isn’t Sefaira a Miko to chichigami?
It was said that she was the Seraselbes's miko and that it was one of the reason to which the Eevie are looking for her.
I almost forgot about Dragon Range. Issei should go there to train for his dragon form.
Agree, if there is somebody that could help with dragon form that one must be Crom.
Speaking about forms outside BXB and SG's related what you guys think about the possibility of Ingvild that could a Leviathan's form just like the antagonist Leviathan's girl of Highschool DXD Zero?
I also have read a theory on Reddit about the Demoniac Brillance of Evil Light https://www.reddit.com/r/HighschoolDxD/comments/138yobp/theory_about_demoniac_brillance_of_evil_light_of/
This reddit's guy think that maybe Vali could turn into a sort of demoniac silver bat with devil horns and that would be his Lucifer's form
I would like if Issei and Vali during their fight could both use a form outside their armors.
If there is more SG for Vitra than that changes my opinion. If Saji does a proper dragon training and gain the rest of the SG then maybe he does have a chance at being a super devil.
You may have some theory about what kinds of powers could have the others SG's of Vitra?
The elf and cyborg girls Ishi talked about for Issei's harem might also be from other worlds.
But I'm a bit surprised. I'd have thought Issei would date someone from Chichigami's faction if he had to marry an alien.
Somebody have already speculated that Sefaria could be the elf girl, maybe she have elf ears.
About the cyborg there who think that could be even a female Eevie. I was thinking about the possibility of a female Malebranche.
It is interesting the possibility that Issei have girls from other worlds.
Maybe Issei could have a warrior of Chichigami, he has still all of his pawns vacants so maybe it would be possible for him get a warrior of Etoulde's race that could be a sort of demi-goddess under Chigami.
So many potential Super Devils especially with the Malebranche. Ishi should try and throw the angels a bone. :heh:
Actually, what do people think about a Divine Dividing Scale Mail for Irina using Issei's dividing wyverns?
With Malebranche maybe even Sona, Seekvaria, Diehauser and Roygun could have a power up.
Poor angel and fallen angels :heh:
I think it would be cool if Issei can also make the Divine Dividing Armor for others.
In that mobile game we have already get this so who knows https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/highschooldxd/images/8/8e/Issei_White_and_Red_BxB.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20210318121219
But honestly I think that it could be more likely that one day Issei thanks Ryuuuteimaru could make a sort of CXC and weapons for others. Maybe all girls would even have their their version of the DXD's armors thanks Chichigami
Let's not jump the horse yet. Right now we still dunno if the Eevie will turn out to be as strong as hyped. Rizevim was hyped when introduced too but end up he wasn't really that big of a threat. For all we know the Eevie could simply be hyping themselves as powerful but only a couple or dozen of them are truly more powerful than the chief gods of DxD would.
Let's not jump the horse yet. Right now we still dunno if the Eevie will turn out to be as strong as hyped. Rizevim was hyped when introduced too but end up he wasn't really that big of a threat. For all we know the Eevie could simply be hyping themselves as powerful but only a couple or dozen of them are truly more powerful than the chief gods of DxD would.
Not just the Evies hyping themselves, but the narration and the VIPs from DxD as well. The biggest problem is Regalzeva and the Keito Tenkai as Dragon God-class fighters. Trihexa alone is a handful for almost all of the strongest DxD fighters put together. So imagine three fighters on that level at once.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-05-21, 08:22
Not just the Evies hyping themselves, but the narration and the VIPs from DxD as well. The biggest problem is Regalzeva and the Keito Tenkai as Dragon God-class fighters.
Yeah this is what was said in the Shin DXD 4:
If compared to the Earth’s powerful beings, the [Keito Tenkai]’s strength was Great Red-class, and their Primes [Atrocity Fanatics] ranged from Chief Gods of each mythology to Maou-class. As for the strength of [Ragou Shichou], the strongest one had a power exceeding Great Red, and the lower-ranked ones were Chief God-class. Their Primes [Invade Fanatics]’s strength ranged from Maou-class to Dragon King-class. And the Three Evil Gods of [Evie Etoulde], including Invincible Devastator Regalzeva, were far more powerful than that.
https://occult-research.club/project/index.php?title=Shin_High_School_DxD:Volume_4_Life ._END_Those_who_bring_destruction
Trihexa alone is a handful for almost all of the strongest DxD fighters put together. So imagine three fighters on that level at once.
Trihexa too for me could be a jobber for the Eevie
Yeah this is what was said in the Shin DXD 4:
If compared to the Earth’s powerful beings, the [Keito Tenkai]’s strength was Great Red-class, and their Primes [Atrocity Fanatics] ranged from Chief Gods of each mythology to Maou-class. As for the strength of [Ragou Shichou], the strongest one had a power exceeding Great Red, and the lower-ranked ones were Chief God-class. Their Primes [Invade Fanatics]’s strength ranged from Maou-class to Dragon King-class. And the Three Evil Gods of [Evie Etoulde], including Invincible Devastator Regalzeva, were far more powerful than that.
https://occult-research.club/project/index.php?title=Shin_High_School_DxD:Volume_4_Life ._END_Those_who_bring_destruction
Trihexa too for me could be a jobber for the Eevie
As far potential goes Ise might surpass Great Red and Ophis considering his body is made up by them so it make sense that he'll get stronger than Vali
Hyodou True DXD
2023-05-26, 10:37
As far potential goes Ise might surpass Great Red and Ophis considering his body is made up by them so it make sense that he'll get stronger than Vali
Yeah we must have been already aware of it by long time ago.
The problem is how Vali is going to keep up with him?
I have read theories that the Malebranche and maybe Lilith(Mothers of Devils) could help him with it.
I hope that it would be like that because Vali that became GR's level and beyond by his own talent seem so stupid.
Giuseppe1234
2023-05-26, 12:49
Yeah we must have been already aware of it by long time ago.
The problem is how Vali is going to keep up with him?
I have read theories that the Malebranche and maybe Lilith(Mothers of Devils) could help him with it.
I hope that it would be like that because Vali that became GR's level and beyond by his own talent seem so stupid.
With the help of Ophis, Ddraig already said she’s trying to transform both Vali and Issei in Dragon Gods
Hyodou True DXD
2023-05-26, 15:17
With the help of Ophis, Ddraig already said she’s trying to transform both Vali and Issei in Dragon Gods
Yeah I remember but I have see that some people are deny the idea that Vali take power from Ophis as well and that the only thing that Ophis do with the DXD L is awakening Vali's potential as someone born with the Lucifer's blood and Heavenly Dragon Longinus but it seem that Issei himself in the Volume 24 was saying that the DXD L too could take power from Ophis:
So does the same go for Vali? Doesn’t his Maouification borrow Ophis’ power as well?
[Perhaps the Two Heavenly Dragons will reach Dragon God-class at the same time.]
https://occult-research.club/project/index.php?title=High_School_DxD:Volume_24_Life_5
Giuseppe1234
2023-05-27, 07:13
Yeah I remember but I have see that some people are deny the idea that Vali take power from Ophis as well and that the only thing that Ophis do with the DXD L is awakening Vali's potential as someone born with the Lucifer's blood and Heavenly Dragon Longinus but it seem that Issei himself in the Volume 24 was saying that the DXD L too could take power from Ophis:
https://occult-research.club/project/index.php?title=High_School_DxD:Volume_24_Life_5
The only reasonable thing is Vali will never have the infinity like Issei because he has not got a dragon body created by two Dragon Gods like Issei able to handle the recoil.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-05-27, 09:02
The only reasonable thing is Vali will never have the infinity like Issei because he has not got a dragon body created by two Dragon Gods like Issei able to handle the recoil.
He should't have the Inifinity right but it seem that the DXD L still take power from Ophis.
It was said by Issei himself and after all the armor became a mix of silver and black (that is Ophis's color) and Ophis's voice came out from the armor when they make the chant for the form.
He should't have the Inifinity right but it seem that the DXD L still take power from Ophis.
It was said by Issei himself and after all the armor became a mix of silver and black (that is Ophis's color) and Ophis's voice came out from the armor when they make the chant for the form.
Ophis simply use her blessing to help Vali unlock his dormant Lucifer power and merge it with Albion's power which resulted as DXD L form. For Ise by unleashing the power of infinity which is DXD G and now combine the infinity and Dreams which is the True DXD G form.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-05-28, 03:46
Ophis simply use her blessing to help Vali unlock his dormant Lucifer power and merge it with Albion's power which resulted as DXD L form. For Ise by unleashing the power of infinity which is DXD G and now combine the infinity and Dreams which is the True DXD G form.
But it was Issei himself in the Vol 24 was has mentioned the possibility that the DXD L take power from Ophis's too.
[I don’t know, but it is certain that the power flowing from Ophis is constantly rising. Her spawn Lilith is also by your side, and that makes the effect even more remarkable. This is just my speculation, but that person…the Dragon God of Infinity wants to make you the third Dragon God, partner.]
So does the same go for Vali? Doesn’t his Maouification borrow Ophis’ power as well?
[Perhaps the Two Heavenly Dragons will reach Dragon God-class at the same time.]
https://occult-research.club/project/index.php?title=High_School_DxD:Volume_24_Life_5
Also the armor get the black color instead of be just silver and white.
I mean, Vali's thing is that he wants to reach Great Red-class without external power-ups. So it's impossible for him to be tapping into power of infinity.
"Ophis' power" is most likely just referring to her blessing which we are already aware of.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-05-28, 07:31
I mean, Vali's thing is that he wants to reach Great Red-class without external power-ups. So it's impossible for him to be tapping into power of infinity.
"Ophis' power" is most likely just referring to her blessing which we are already aware of.
I see but then he should have refuse Ophis blessing as well since it must count as external help.
The fact that Vali could reach GR's level by his own for me is senseless.
I mean after all Issei's power is justified by the fact that his body is make the powers of both of the Dragons Gods( in future mostly he could going to get some help by Chichigami and the 12 Heavenly Breast).
The fact that Vali could equal this by just thanks Albion and Lucifer's powers (that were not even among the first 5 of the Top 10) it should be stupid and illogicall.
I still hope that Ophis, Lilith (Mothers Of Devils) and the Malebranche would be the reason that would give a sense for the fact he will Dragon God and maybe beyond.
I mean Ishi has justified Issei's power so if Vali could still equal Issei then Ishi should give a proper explanation.
I mean, Vali's thing is that he wants to reach Great Red-class without external power-ups. So it's impossible for him to be tapping into power of infinity.
"Ophis' power" is most likely just referring to her blessing which we are already aware of.
It's called character development for a reason. If it was Vali from earlier volumes, he most likely wouldn't have taken the external power-up. But meeting Ise, the ORC and probably constantly traveling with the Vali team help changed him. Also if it's to protect his own mother & younger siblings from threat, do you think Vali would just be like screw your help, i will rather die fighting and let my family get kill with me?
Vali is prideful not stupid and emotionless.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-05, 04:26
Also if it's to protect his own mother & younger siblings from threat, do you think Vali would just be like screw your help, i will rather die fighting and let my family get kill with me?
Vali is prideful not stupid and emotionless.
Agree.
I think that maybe in a first moment he could choice to fight the Eevie by his own by after getting a big defeat and having his family in danger he could accept to use the Malebranche that are also something that were created and belonged by his ancestor Lucifer's himself and with others 3 Maou.
About the topic of future Super Devils, I've just discovered that the Portuguese translation of EX clarifies that the number of formally recognized Super Devils are six. The implication of Azazel's thoughts is that there's other devils that haven't been formally recognized as Super Devils as of that point.
So yeah, I'm starting to have renewed hope for Sairaorg and Saji being transcendentals.
cyberdemon
2023-06-06, 21:10
About the topic of future Super Devils, I've just discovered that the Portuguese translation of EX clarifies that the number of formally recognized Super Devils are six. The implication of Azazel's thoughts is that there's other devils that haven't been formally recognized as Super Devils as of that point.
So yeah, I'm starting to have renewed hope for Sairaorg and Saji being transcendentals.
The question is if Bal and Verrine existed in that timeline. If the do then there is only 1 slot available at present. But things have changed so the estimate could be expanded
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-07, 07:10
So yeah, I'm starting to have renewed hope for Sairaorg and Saji being transcendentals.
Sairoarg could find a alternative to the Breakdown The Beast, for what concern Saji maybe in a way or another his SG could turn into a Longinus.
The question is if Bal and Verrine existed in that timeline. If the do then there is only 1 slot available at present. But things have changed so the estimate could be expanded
Perhaps Ingvild is the next Super Devil.
I ask Robertina.
「Yes, in the demon world thirty years from now, there are six Transcendentals that have been formally recognized. Millicas-ojisama, Ajuka Beelzebub-sama and Vlady no oji-sama are also part of the count」
……If he can control time, it wouldn't be strange for him to enter that area. ……But, formally recognized? Do you mean that in the future there are even those who have not been recognized?
This means the Super Devils are more than six. They could be more than ten for all we know, so there's enough space to fit Ingvild, Balberith, Verrine, etc.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-07, 12:25
This means the Super Devils are more than six. They could be more than ten for all we know, so there's enough space to fit Ingvild, Balberith, Verrine, etc.
Well Sairoarg could find something different and stronger than BTB, maybe with some special training about Touki under Sun Wukong.
Ingvild have her own big talent and Longinus and she could be blessed too by Ophis to get her own version of the Maoufication.
Saji is the one who left more doubts...
Giuseppe1234
2023-06-09, 05:11
About the topic of future Super Devils, I've just discovered that the Portuguese translation of EX clarifies that the number of formally recognized Super Devils are six. The implication of Azazel's thoughts is that there's other devils that haven't been formally recognized as Super Devils as of that point.
So yeah, I'm starting to have renewed hope for Sairaorg and Saji being transcendentals.
Saji doesn’t have anything of relevant to become a Super Devil compared to the others.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-09, 05:17
Saji doesn’t have anything of relevant to become a Super Devil compared to the others.
Indeed.
A possible solution that I have think for him is that maybe Issei could let him to absorb his blood and perhaps this could make Vitra's SG evolving into a Longinus.
Lucidrago
2023-06-10, 14:43
Indeed.
A possible solution that I have think for him is that maybe Issei could let him to absorb his blood and perhaps this could make Vitra's SG evolving into a Longinus.
Well Vritra is only a Dragon King. By comparison, Ddraig and Albion are Heavenly Dragons and even then the Boosted Gear and Divine Dividing are still mid-tier Longinus.
And Saji has four Sacred Gears. The only way to make them evolve into a Longinus would be to have them become one single Sacred Gear. Ishibuni would have had that happen by now if he wanted it to happen instead of him getting his Balance Breaker in Volume 17.
And not to mention that Saji absorbing Issei's blood was already done back in Volume 5 and Ishibuni likely wrote it as a one-time event that couldn't be repeated. That was what made Vritra's soul able to awaken and Saji to get three other Sacred Gears other than his original one.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-12, 06:32
And Saji has four Sacred Gears. The only way to make them evolve into a Longinus would be to have them become one single Sacred Gear. Ishibuni would have had that happen by now if he wanted it to happen instead of him getting his Balance Breaker in Volume 17.
If you will be right it means that Saji would be useless in future, too bad.
And not to mention that Saji absorbing Issei's blood was already done back in Volume 5 and Ishibuni likely wrote it as a one-time event that couldn't be repeated. That was what made Vritra's soul able to awaken and Saji to get three other Sacred Gears other than his original one.
I dunno if it would remain a one-time event since Ishi more or less in Shin repeat some story for the past for example: Ingvild and Nyx situations that was like the one of Asia and Raynare and the fact that Issei has get AXA in Kyoto just like Triana.
Both Saji and Regulus have Evil Pieces in them, if they mutate transcending might be possible. Evil Pieces still have a lot of secrets, and Sacred Gears forms evolve based on the Evil Pieces.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-12, 12:30
Both Saji and Regulus have Evil Pieces in them, if they mutate transcending might be possible. Evil Pieces still have a lot of secrets, and Sacred Gears forms evolve based on the Evil Pieces.
This is true, who knows maybe is possible for Saji and Sairoarg get their version of the CXC first and then became Super Devils's levels.
But better keep our hopes low, especially for Saji
Lucidrago
2023-06-12, 15:41
Both Saji and Regulus have Evil Pieces in them, if they mutate transcending might be possible. Evil Pieces still have a lot of secrets, and Sacred Gears forms evolve based on the Evil Pieces.
Kind of repeating the same point but wouldn't it have happened by now if that was the case. Since Sona reincarnated Saji, he gained three other Vritra-related Sacred Gears, had Vritra's soul awaken, and achieved Balance Breaker. And his pieces still haven't mutsted. The evil pieces are probably meant to be able to adjust to a great deal of power. Issei's evil pieces mutating was because of his sudden and drastic change in power level and the outright abnormality of it. Kind of a unique situation that could be repeated, but probably won't happen again.
@Hyodou True DxD Wouldn't exactly call Saji useless as he is definitely Sona's strongest servant and got promoted to high-class devil in the most recent Volume. It's just that he's a side character and still he is easily one of the stronger side characters who isn't a god or a Longinus possessor. At best l could see him holding his own with a Maou-class, but Super Devil is a little far-fetched.
And I don't think I could call Sairaorg a future Super Devil as technically he's not a Longinus possessor. What I mean by that is that Regulus is his own independent being who exists separately from Sairaorg. I compare him using Regulus's power to Rias donning her Balor Form or Strada using the Potion of Youth. Technically, they're all using someone else's power instead of their own.
cyberdemon
2023-06-12, 17:09
While Saji is strong, he has more emphasis on the mind because that is what Sona likes. Diehauser has a great mind but has yet to be acknowledged as a super devil. He could become a master tactician but that simply won’t be enough unless his body itself can be pushed well beyond the limits. Tenaciousness also isn’t enough. Super Devil is likely beyond him. Maou or ultimate could be in his reach but super devil would take something truly special that he simply lacks at present.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-13, 04:46
@Hyodou True DxD Wouldn't exactly call Saji useless as he is definitely Sona's strongest servant and got promoted to high-class devil in the most recent Volume. It's just that he's a side character and still he is easily one of the stronger side characters who isn't a god or a Longinus possessor. At best l could see him holding his own with a Maou-class, but Super Devil is a little far-fetched.
And I don't think I could call Sairaorg a future Super Devil as technically he's not a Longinus possessor. What I mean by that is that Regulus is his own independent being who exists separately from Sairaorg. I compare him using Regulus's power to Rias donning her Balor Form or Strada using the Potion of Youth. Technically, they're all using someone else's power instead of their own.
You are right that Sairoarg and Regulus are like Rias and Gasper Balor but I think that even if Sairoarg can't became a true Super Devil at least he could temporarily reach that power level thanks a new form.
From what we have see until now Ishibumi seem want to give him some spot-light, his matches with the Azazel Cup again Cao Cao and Shooting Star were show and he also defeated Balberith (though we know it was not the most logical thing to has happened).
While Saji is strong, he has more emphasis on the mind because that is what Sona likes. Diehauser has a great mind but has yet to be acknowledged as a super devil. He could become a master tactician but that simply won’t be enough unless his body itself can be pushed well beyond the limits. Tenaciousness also isn’t enough. Super Devil is likely beyond him. Maou or ultimate could be in his reach but super devil would take something truly special that he simply lacks at present.
And speaking about Diehuaser I wonder how he is supposed to be a threat to Issei True DXD G? I mean he would be stupid if the SG Canceller of Rizevim was useless again the DXD G but instead Worthless could work on True DXD G. I think that Issei should have fight Diehauser sooner in this Tournament.
I was thinking it could be possible that Diehauser and others could be allowed to use the Malebranche for fight the Eevie.
Speaking again on Saji I feel sorry for him because if he could not beyond the Maou Class the Eevie of Dragon King Class would the only opponents that he could beat.
Lucidrago
2023-06-13, 06:30
Diehauser's Worthless only works on abilities. It wouldn't affect DxD as a whole.
And a possibility I thought of could be Diehauser using a mutated king piece. We know that the regular king pieces wouldn't work on Maou-class devils or Super Devils. But like other evil pieces, one could become a mutation piece and work on higher-level devils like Diehauser making him a Super Devil and allowing him to fight Issei on equal footing.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-13, 13:25
And a possibility I thought of could be Diehauser using a mutated king piece. We know that the regular king pieces wouldn't work on Maou-class devils or Super Devils. But like other evil pieces, one could become a mutation piece and work on higher-level devils like Diehauser making him a Super Devil and allowing him to fight Issei on equal footing.
This could be a possibility but this sound something basically pretty illegal, I mean did Ajuka would allow this and Diehauser would not risk to be incarcerated once again?
A power up like this seem to something that could be allowed in a dangerous war situation (this is why I think that some characters could be allowed to use the Malebranche again the Eevie) more than something that could be allowed for a tournament though it have God Class being inside it.
Now that I think about the King Pieces seem to be the closest thing to the Malebranche and the fact that they are made off the same material it's not a coincidence at all..
Lucidrago
2023-06-13, 15:39
This could be a possibility but this sound something basically pretty illegal, I mean did Ajuka would allow this and Diehauser would not risk to be incarcerated once again?
A power up like this seem to something that could be allowed in a dangerous war situation (this is why I think that some characters could be allowed to use the Malebranche again the Eevie) more than something that could be allowed for a tournament though it have God Class being inside it.
Now that I think about the King Pieces seem to be the closest thing to the Malebranche and the fact that they are made off the same material it's not a coincidence at all..
If Ajuka was the one who gave it to him with the condition that he would no longer be allowed to compete in the regular Rating Games(tournaments like the Azazel Cup could be an exception), then that could easily solve the issue.
Their usage would definitely be banned in the devil's Rating Games but is just another tool at the Underworld's disposal.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-13, 16:01
The whole point against Diehause, match is to see how much Ise can grow with leading...if you want to, make this fight a little more interesting fighting wise bring a Hindu technique, type guide in action
Hello Dareal_truth welcome, I happy that you finally join Anime Suki.
If Ajuka was the one who gave it to him with the condition that he would no longer be allowed to compete in the regular Rating Games(tournaments like the Azazel Cup could be an exception), then that could easily solve the issue.
Their usage would definitely be banned in the devil's Rating Games but is just another tool at the Underworld's disposal.
It could be, is a interesting idea. Honestly I would like something lite that because a external power-up would be the only justification to which Diehauser could fight Issei True DXD G.
Otherwise Issei could choice to fight him only with the CXC or maybe it would not be Issei to fight Diehauser but I would exclude this.
cyberdemon
2023-06-13, 19:11
And speaking about Diehuaser I wonder how he is supposed to be a threat to Issei True DXD G? I mean he would be stupid if the SG Canceller of Rizevim was useless again the DXD G but instead Worthless could work on True DXD G. I think that Issei should have fight Diehauser sooner in this Tournament.
Diehauser has been consistently beating god class teams to advance in the tournament despite starting late. He also has a much larger experience with ratings games than Issei does. DxD G give Issei an advantage but if he keeps falling into Diehausers traps than strength means little. The type of RG also makes a difference. If they get one like against Sona in vol 5, his overwhelming strength could easily be used against him.
Lucidrago
2023-06-14, 01:07
Diehauser has been consistently beating god class teams to advance in the tournament despite starting late. He also has a much larger experience with ratings games than Issei does. DxD G give Issei an advantage but if he keeps falling into Diehausers traps than strength means little. The type of RG also makes a difference. If they get one like against Sona in vol 5, his overwhelming strength could easily be used against him.
How many of those god-class teams could talr pn Issei who is at Heavenly Dragon-level?
The core of almost every Rating Games is to defeat the long. Depending on the Rating Game that wouldn't be the only way to win it but defeating the king is the main course of action. And there's a huge power gap between Issei and Diehauser right now. There is no conceivable way that Diehauser could beat Issei in his DxD form as jhe currently is.
And while it could be a Rating Game with special rules that allow you to win with a method other than defeating the opponent king, will that be likely with Diehauser? He became the Champion almost purely based on his power and didn't move up in the ranks largely because of his tactics like Rudiger Rosenkreutz
Even if there were special rules that allowed Diehauser to win without defeating Issei, that likely wouldn't mean that you couldn't defeat the other king to win. And based on how Ishibuni writes his story, the Rating Game will likely conclude with Issei and Diehauser confronting each other.
And not to mention if he somehow managed to defeat Issei(which is very unlikely in my opinion) he would have to face Indra next and no matter how many Rating Games Diehauser has won or how undefeated he is, he isn't defeating Indra's team as he currently is.
He became the Champion almost purely based on his power and didn't move up in the ranks largely because of his tactics like Rudiger Rosenkreutz
Where's that stated? He does have many books dedicated to analyzing his tactics and still no one can defeat his team.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-14, 04:11
The type of RG also makes a difference. If they get one like against Sona in vol 5, his overwhelming strength could easily be used against him.
Perhaps it would not be Issei to fight him but Ravel and Ingvild. Issei could fight someone else, maybe it would be possible to Crom Cruach to join Diehauser's team.
Even if there were special rules that allowed Diehauser to win without defeating Issei, that likely wouldn't mean that you couldn't defeat the other king to win. And based on how Ishibuni writes his story, the Rating Game will likely conclude with Issei and Diehauser confronting each other.
And not to mention if he somehow managed to defeat Issei(which is very unlikely in my opinion) he would have to face Indra next and no matter how many Rating Games Diehauser has won or how undefeated he is, he isn't defeating Indra's team as he currently is.
True Indra should be someone out of his league.
I have read a theory that I have like I don't remember if it was here on Reddit: there was a guy who was thinking that maybe Diehauser could use Worthless on Issei's evil pieces and boosted gear and so Issei would to use the dragonfication to fight him.
I dunno if it would be possible using Worthless on something like the Evil Pieces or a Longinus.
Where's that stated? He does have many books dedicated to analyzing his tactics and still no one can defeat his team.
Also I wonder how strong must be the members of his teams? Maybe they are just Ultimate Class Devils but with some HAX cause their possible still unrevealed devil traits and a perfect teamwork.
I have read a theory that I have like I don't remember if it was here on Reddit: there was a guy who was thinking that maybe Diehauser could use Worthless on Issei's evil pieces and boosted gear and so Issei would to use the dragonfication to fight him.
I dunno if it would be possible using Worthless on something like the Evil Pieces or a Longinus.
Diehauser couldn't nullify Issei's armour in V20. He only nullified Boost and Issei's shots of demonic energy.
So I dunno how he's supposed to get rid of the Dragon Deification armour. Honestly, I ain't seeing how this match would work without some PIS going on. Unless Crom Cruach does join Diehauser's team.
Lucidrago
2023-06-14, 06:06
Where's that stated? He does have many books dedicated to analyzing his tactics and still no one can defeat his team.
It's not said but there are several references to him being Maou-class and it's unlikely he would have become #1 otherwise.
He is a good tactician but that is something that naturally comes with being a very experienced Rating Game player like he is and competing in the different types of Rating Games. That will definitely help him if circumstances are entirely in his favor like his match against Zeno's team but wouldn't be as effective against teams like Issei's or Indra's.
A possible thing I could think of is Diehauser launching a pre-emptive strike at the start of his Rating Game against Issei by himself and taking out Ravel then using Castling to quickly switch places with his rook, placing himself out of harm's way. Thus taking out the tactician of Issei's group.
It all depends on the rules of the game if the rules is defeat the opposing team's king then Diehauser will think of something either he'll recruit someone like Crom Crauch to fight Issei or think of the strategy to reduce the Team's number and weaken Issei.
Lucidrago
2023-06-14, 09:12
It all depends on the rules of the game if the rules is defeat the opposing team's king then Diehauser will think of something either he'll recruit someone like Crom Crauch to fight Issei or think of the strategy to reduce the Team's number and weaken Issei.
Why would he recruit Crom Cruach and what compelling reason does Crom Cruach have to accept such an offer?
Regardless of what type of Rating Game it is and the tactics each side uses, it will boil down to a fight between Issei and Diehauserm Issei's the MC and Diehauser is going to be the most major player on his team most likely.
I thought about Diehauser making his pawn pieces' ability to promote worthless preventing him from using Cardinal Crimson Promotion but I'm not exactly sure whether that would prevent him from going into DxD
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-14, 11:31
Why would he recruit Crom Cruach and what compelling reason does Crom Cruach have to accept such an offer?
I was thinking that Crom Cruach could choice to join Diehauser's team because he want fight Issei True DXD G. Crom Cruach until now was never defeat long the story and so his defeat for the hands of the current Issei would be a good showcase of Issei's current power.
I thought about Diehauser making his pawn pieces' ability to promote worthless preventing him from using Cardinal Crimson Promotion but I'm not exactly sure whether that would prevent him from going into DxD
Perhaps the powers of Ophis and GR would also protect the Evil Pieces from Worthless and so Diehauser couldn't even try to stop him from use the CXC.
Giuseppe1234
2023-06-14, 13:19
You are all forgetting there is even Ddraig to count in the match.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-14, 13:28
You are all forgetting there is even Ddraig to count in the match.
Yeah, but can you immagine if Diehauser thanks Worthless could block Ddraig's summon?
Though this of course seem something out of his league.
Dareal_truth
2023-06-14, 18:19
Only if ish brought back the puzzle route like with Baraqiel
Lucidrago
2023-06-14, 18:50
Crom Cruach joining would be pointless just because it is very likely he won't join another team after he was already on Rias'. And while we're not sure whether Diehauser is solely using his servants in the Azazel Cup, I doubt he would choose to have Crom Cruach on his team and have him potentially replace the servants he has fought so many Rating Games with.
And even if he did, Issei still has Ddraig. All it would be is a repeat of Shin Volume 2. And I doubt Ishibuni would go that route.
And from what I've seen Diehauser's Worthless would have to work on a specific ability that has its own rules. And he has to understand how the ability works. For example, Diehauser could use Worthless on [Boost] but not [Penetrate] just because Issei had literally justvl gained the ability a couple of volumes ago. He could also use it on the retiring system of Rating Games and even the Phenex tears. Not to mention he could use it on the Phenex's regeneration. He could also most likely use it on the Abbadon's [Hole] and Belphegor's [Crack] which is probably the reason why Roygun and Bedeze could never defeat Diehauser despite being Maou-class like he was.
What I'm saying is that I believe the ability needs to have a defined set of logic for Worthless to even work. And Diehauser would have to understand that logic for him to even use his ability. Just saying he could use it on a form like DxD is kind of out there because it's not a specific ability like [Boost] or [Penetrate] is.
I suggested the mutated king piece simply because it would give Diehauser a fighting chance against Issei in his DxD form. He's probably the only devil that has the support of the people who people trust wasn't actually using a king piece. And this could easily bolster the Underworld's strength as there are only three Super Devils right now as Sirzecha is fighting Trihexa within the barrier. Not to mention losing Serafall and Falbium as well. There would almost certainly be a condition that he would be unable to participate in regular Rating Games after using it, just like with Xenovia's peerage.
About the Underworld's military strength, what happened with the remaining artificial High-class devils from Hades' army?
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-15, 05:53
Only if ish brought back the puzzle route like with Baraqiel
Maybe it could be like that with even more insidious and complicated rules. Perhaps there would a situation in which Diehauser managed to separate Issei's teammates, Issei may find himself outnumbered against some of the stronger members of Diehauser's team who perhaps have particular HAXes. To defeat them without using DXD Issei could struggle and when he is faced with Diehauser he could be tired to the point that using True DXD G could be a danger to his body.
I suggested the mutated king piece simply because it would give Diehauser a fighting chance against Issei in his DxD form. He's probably the only devil that has the support of the people who people trust wasn't actually using a king piece. And this could easily bolster the Underworld's strength as there are only three Super Devils right now as Sirzecha is fighting Trihexa within the barrier. Not to mention losing Serafall and Falbium as well. There would almost certainly be a condition that he would be unable to participate in regular Rating Games after using it, just like with Xenovia's peerage.
Honestly I would have nothing again this scenario, instead I would like because a external power up is a logical solution for justify that Diehauser could fight Issei True DXD G.
Dareal_truth
2023-06-15, 06:50
So this really going to be this dude's hardest match
Lucidrago
2023-06-15, 17:35
About the Underworld's military strength, what happened with the remaining artificial High-class devils from Hades' army?
Ishibuni killed them with the stroke of a pen. :heh:
Ishibuni killed them with the stroke of a pen. :heh:
I thought it was said somewhere that a lot of them survived the Hell Disaster, although I cannot remember for sure.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-17, 04:24
I thought it was said somewhere that a lot of them survived the Hell Disaster, although I cannot remember for sure.
I wonder it there some survivors among of theme there could be some possible character that could a new recurring character?
Ravel and Gasper too have get their own peerage and Issei have all the pawns vacants so I wan't be surprise if among of the survivor of Hades's army there could a possible addition to Issei's harem and peerage or someone who for be correct would be under Ravel, Gasper or Xenovia.
There are, the 5 (I think they were 5) Ultimate Class with the potential to become Maou Class didn't appear, and probably there are more good guys waiting to be recruited.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-17, 07:05
There are, the 5 (I think they were 5) Ultimate Class with the potential to become Maou Class didn't appear, and probably there are more good guys waiting to be recruited.
Did you remember when this was said? Never mind I have found it: <<If certain conditions are met, then a total of five subjects will eventually turn into Maou-class beings after birth.>>
https://occult-research.club/project/index.php?title=High_School_DxD:Volume_24_Artifici al_transcendental
It could be interesting, one of course could be a girl to give to Issei while the others could be added to the peerage of Ravel and Gasper that have all of their peerage free and to ones of Rias and Xenovia.
That's assuming Ishibumi hasn't forgotten about them. :heh:
Dareal_truth
2023-06-17, 14:50
No more harem members plz…
i doubt it... Ise's harem will likely increase... according to Azazel he gets nonhuman girls and girls with strange personalities to like him. And according to Rias, older girls are attracted to him.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-17, 17:15
That's assuming Ishibumi hasn't forgotten about them. :heh:
LOL This is a possibility to which I too have think about it :p
i doubt it... Ise's harem will likely increase... according to Azazel he gets nonhuman girls and girls with strange personalities to like him. And according to Rias, older girls are attracted to him.
Yeah, the next possible girl could be Sefaria, perhaps Lint and Bennia and Verrine would join too and also I remember that some people has said that Ishi on Twitter has mention he want elf and cyborg in the Issei's harem or something.
cyberdemon
2023-06-17, 18:15
No more harem members plz…
Issei still has unused pieces and he would never take a male into his peerage.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-18, 04:39
Issei still has unused pieces and he would never take a male into his peerage.
True, he want only female in his peerage so there is chances that there can be new addition to it in future.
If want continue to speak about the harem and the peerage it wouldn't be better continue in these threads?
https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=152040
https://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=125225
Honestly one of the biggest mistakes…I would hope it’s at the epilogue having another op female would take uniqueness from ingvild who’s his queen and maou with him, because she’s the ONLY one that can get characterization and development
By you know I think that because Heavenly Breast whole thing all the girls would end up became OP thanks Issei and Chichigami. Maybe some of the like Rias and Xenovia could even have their version of the DXD's form.
I think that maybe the girls with a Ultimate Form that could have thanks Issei and Chichigami could even help Issei again Malvezoa.
Dareal_truth
2023-06-18, 19:58
You know I honestly believe ish doesn’t care about female character development or characterization anymore ingvild wasted treasure, you can only hope next vol ise would get leadership development, but I hope I’m wrong with ingvild
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-19, 04:15
You know I honestly believe ish doesn’t care about female character development or characterization anymore ingvild wasted treasure, you can only hope next vol ise would get leadership development, but I hope I’m wrong with ingvild
I think that perhaps Ingvild would get some spot-light in the Shin DXD 5.
Sadly we don't know yet when it would be released
Lucidrago
2023-06-19, 06:38
You know I honestly believe ish doesn’t care about female character development or characterization anymore ingvild wasted treasure, you can only hope next vol ise would get leadership development, but I hope I’m wrong with ingvild
I really wouldn't say that he doesn't care or he wouldn't be trying to have volumes centered around them. The problem is that the series has gone on so long and he has introduced so many new characters and has expanded the plot so much that he is probably having a hard time balancing the main story with the development of characters other than Issei.
I will admit he shows a somewhat obvious bias as far as his male characters are concerned which is ironic considering this is a harem series.
It's just that after the first few girls(Rias, Asia, Akeno, and Koneko) who were all well-developed and had their backgrounds, personality, and their relationship with Issei planned and thought out, it kind of went downhill from there. Some of the girls didn't have a major backstory to work off of but still meshed well with Issei like Xenovia and Ravel and were great characters to begin with and didn't really need one. Some we just casually accepted like Irina who's just kind of ....there. And some we just accepted just because we loved their characters even though the way they were added to the harem was lackluster like Rossweisse. And Kuroka is Koneko's sister.
I can kind of accept Kunou because she's still too young and plus there was Volume 9. But Le Fay has barely had any interaction with Issei. Sure she's his contracted magician but since they made the pact in Volume 17 IIRC we haven't seen anything of it and only was briefly mentioned in Shin Volume 4. Not to mention Le Fay seems to have no personality of her own to be honest.
The problem with Ingvild is that she's an entirely new character that was introduced after a plethora of new characters like Bova Tannin, Ouryuu Nakiri, Lint Selzan, Balberith, Verrine, and Mitsuya Kanzaki. She is definitely Super Devil material but whether we're going to see that in this series or not is up to Ishibuni and how much development he decides to give her.
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cyberdemon
2023-06-19, 11:48
I think that perhaps Ingvild would get some spot-light in the Shin DXD 5.
Sadly we don't know yet when it would be released
Shin 5 is supposed to be a Ravel volume. Though officially taking on the role of queen on his team should give her plenty of spotlight. I could even see he becoming a major part in the rg against Diehauser
Ingvild is like the one girl who has the highest chance of getting monster portrayal. The Leviathan tablet development proves Ishi hasn't forgotten about her. Not certain about Diehauser, but I'm fairly sure she'll be key to defeating Indra (who seems too powerful for Issei's Dragon Deification alone).
I recall Durmado, one of the Keito Tenkai, being stationed in the ocean. His Prime should be with him, so that's another potential opportunity for Ingvild to take center stage by the climax of the war. It would be badass if she controlled the entire ocean.
Ingvild likely won't fade into obscurity tbh. Ishi is probably just taking it slow with her since she doesn't have experience.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-19, 14:42
Ingvild is like the one girl who has the highest chance of getting monster portrayal. The Leviathan tablet development proves Ishi hasn't forgotten about her. Not certain about Diehauser, but I'm fairly sure she'll be key to defeating Indra (who seems too powerful for Issei's Dragon Deification alone)
I was thinking that perhaps she could fight the Diehauser's Queen in the match.
I agree that she could play a role in the match again Indra, perhaps she could reach the BXB and her ability to increase the power of Dragons would be bigger.
I recall Durmado, one of the Keito Tenkai, being stationed in the ocean. His Prime should be with him, so that's another potential opportunity for Ingvild to take center stage by the climax of the war. It would be badass if she controlled the entire ocean.
Could you immagine if the combination of the powers of her Longinus and Leviathan's blood could allow her to merged with ocean itself and became a sort of giant draconic monster made of water?
Ingvild likely won't fade into obscurity tbh. Ishi is probably just taking it slow with her since she doesn't have experience.
Well after all it was said that she is training for learn to control her power, we have see she already give a showcase of her power in action in Shin DXD 3. She still have to get more control on her Longinus.
Lucidrago
2023-06-19, 18:25
Well lightning and water don't mix so I wouldn't be surprised if she got one-shotted by Indra at the beginning of the game.
At this point she's just as relevant as Valerie is.
Dareal_truth
2023-06-19, 21:46
Ingvild is like the one girl who has the highest chance of getting monster portrayal. The Leviathan tablet development proves Ishi hasn't forgotten about her. Not certain about Diehauser, but I'm fairly sure she'll be key to defeating Indra (who seems too powerful for Issei's Dragon Deification alone).
I recall Durmado, one of the Keito Tenkai, being stationed in the ocean. His Prime should be with him, so that's another potential opportunity for Ingvild to take center stage by the climax of the war. It would be badass if she controlled the entire ocean.
Ingvild likely won't fade into obscurity tbh. Ishi is probably just taking it slow with her since she doesn't have experience.
Hopefully she just doesn’t but a support type only a all rounder like vali would be dope She could boosted herself with Dragon-Control ability and boost her water control ability with Longinus water control ability and vice-versa
Including that with Leviathan power she herself can transform
into dragon, + learning magic from rose and hand 2 hand combat
I wonder if we'll actually get a RG between Ise & Diehauser. Ishibumi could just have the ExE invade and cancel the Azazel Cup.
Lucidrago
2023-06-20, 00:54
I wonder if we'll actually get a RG between Ise & Diehauser. Ishibumi could just have the ExE invade and cancel the Azazel Cup.
And plus he may never reveal the results of Cao Cao vs Surtr, Ruval vs Typhon, and Dulio vs Tobio. Although it is kind of semi-obvioua who will win IMO.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-20, 04:24
Well lightning and water don't mix so I wouldn't be surprised if she got one-shotted by Indra at the beginning of the game.
Perhaps Indra could been so much focus on Issei and Ddraig that he could ignores the rest of Issei's team and leave them to the others members of his team.
Hopefully she just doesn’t but a support type only a all rounder like vali would be dope She could boosted herself with Dragon-Control ability and boost her water control ability with Longinus water control ability and vice-versa
Including that with Leviathan power she herself can transform
into dragon, + learning magic from rose and hand 2 hand combat
I believe that Ishi could alternate in use as a support and a combatant based on the type of situation of battle and situation.
We have see her as a support in the Shin DXD 1 and as a fighter in Shin DXD 3. I believe that when Issei is around she could be a support while when she is alone or with others she would be a fighter.
You know for me she could use magic but I don't see her as hand to hand fighter.
I wonder if we'll actually get a RG between Ise & Diehauser. Ishibumi could just have the ExE invade and cancel the Azazel Cup.
It was said that Shin DXD 5 was a Ravel's Volume and we shouldn't forgot what is happens between Ravel and Diehauser.
I think that the Eevie would arrive later and if the first Eevie who would will appear would not be so strong the Azazel Cup could avoid to be cancel. After all alternated between writing Volumes of the Azazel Cup and those of the Hells Gods, until Eevie above the level of the Hindu Gods and Dragon Gods could run the Azazel Cup.
Now that I think about it there still the Malebranche that have to join the story of the future Volumes...
Dareal_truth
2023-06-20, 05:13
The only character I think will die is vasco also I’ve never seen a author like ish write himself into a corner this much
And plus he may never reveal the results of Cao Cao vs Surtr, Ruval vs Typhon, and Dulio vs Tobio. Although it is kind of semi-obvioua who will win IMO.
Huh? Both of those were revealed in DX 7. He probably wants to do Tobio vs Dulio in another DX volume.
I wonder if we'll actually get a RG between Ise & Diehauser. Ishibumi could just have the ExE invade and cancel the Azazel Cup.
Nah, the Azazel Cup has too much significance for Issei and Vali with the emotional weight of Azazel's departure and upcoming death for Ishibumi to just cancel it.
Plus, we don't know whether Issei will become a Maou but Zekram implied his decision is partially tied to his fated match against Vali.
Lucidrago
2023-06-20, 06:27
The only character I think will die is vasco also I’ve never seen a author like ish write himself into a corner this much
I doubt that. It would really lack any effect and Ishibuni is not really one to kill the good guys off. Great Red's dearh is about as far as he will likely go as far as any good guys dying in this series.
Plus he loves showing off Strada a little too much for me to believe he will ever kill him off.
@Hyodou True DxD So Ingvild will be like Issei whose Longinus also allows him to act as a good support-type?
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-20, 06:42
Huh? Both of those were revealed in DX 7. He probably wants to do Tobio vs Dulio in another DX volume.
If Ishi's health allow him to do it maybe it could be possible for him make a Volume in which insert Dulio vs Tobio otherwise he could show just the climax of the battle like he did with Sairoarg vs Shooting Star, Cao Cao vs Surtr and Indra vs Mahbali.
Nah, the Azazel Cup has too much significance for Issei and Vali with the emotional weight of Azazel's departure and upcoming death for Ishibumi to just cancel it.
Yeah it see something too much important for be deleted.
@Hyodou True DxD So Ingvild will be like Issei whose Longinus also allows him to act as a good support-type?
Yeah, for me this is a big possibility, I mean we have already see her boosting Issei and his allies in the Shin DXD 1 and then she did the same with both him and Vali in the Shin DXD 4 during the fight again Hades.
I mean her Longinus is about dragons and we and have Issei, Vali, Saji, Nakiri, Bova, Crom Cruach that have dragons powers (plus Asia and Kunou if we count Asia's BXB that use Fafnir's power and Kunou Dragon FOX Mode that take power from Ophis and Lilith).
I think that her power could be particular useful again some Eevie.
Dareal_truth
2023-06-20, 07:08
If Ishi's health allow him to do it maybe it could be possible for him make a Volume in which insert Dulio vs Tobio otherwise he could show just the climax of the battle like he did with Sairoarg vs Shooting Star, Cao Cao vs Surtr and Indra vs Mahbali.
Yeah it see something too much important for be deleted.
Yeah, for me this is a big possibility, I mean we have already see her boosting Issei and his allies in the Shin DXD 1 and then she did the same with both him and Vali in the Shin DXD 4 during the fight again Hades.
I mean her Longinus is about dragons and we and have Issei, Vali, Saji, Nakiri, Bova, Crom Cruach that have dragons powers (plus Asia and Kunou if we count Asia's BXB that use Fafnir's power and Kunou Dragon FOX Mode that take power from Ophis and Lilith).
I think that her power could be particular useful again some Eevie.
She can also learn magic from roses only being a support type doesn’t fit her badassery potential
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-20, 07:54
She can also learn magic from roses only being a support type doesn’t fit her badassery potential
She could learn magic from Rose, Akeno, Kuroka and Laviana if this is the case.
I haven't say that she would be only a support type, I have say that the power of Longinus and the big amount of dragon's guys should make her one of the main supporter around.
We already have see her fight and her fighting talented was mentioned so I think so would be involved in fights by her own.
Lucidrago
2023-06-21, 01:55
She could learn magic from Rose, Akeno, Kuroka and Laviana if this is the case.
I haven't say that she would be only a support type, I have say that the power of Longinus and the big amount of dragon's guys should make her one of the main supporter around.
We already have see her fight and her fighting talented was mentioned so I think so would be involved in fights by her own.
Magic or demonic power? They are two similar but entirely different things.
Kuroka is an expert when it comes to senjutsu and youjutsu. But how well she can use demonic power is unknown.
I don't really see why anyone would have to teach Ingvild how to use her demonic power when no one had to teach Balberith and Verrine how to use theirs. Plus her demonic power is pretty much greater than almost anybody's and she is talented enough to use it.all.
What would benefit Ingvild is learning from someone well-versed in using water-based demonic powers. The only one that would be suited for that is Sona. Just so Ingvild could gain a better control and understanding of her powers.
Dareal_truth
2023-06-21, 03:42
Magic or demonic power? They are two similar but entirely different things.
What would benefit Ingvild is learning from someone well-versed in using water-based demonic powers. The only one that would be suited for that is Sona. Just so Ingvild could gain a better control and understanding of her powers.
Well sona cut from the plot all together
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-21, 04:22
I don't really see why anyone would have to teach Ingvild how to use her demonic power when no one had to teach Balberith and Verrine how to use theirs. Plus her demonic power is pretty much greater than almost anybody's and she is talented enough to use it.all.
In the DX 7 from what I remember Issei have say something that Rias and Sairoarg would have take care off Balberith for what concern helping in him in manifest his Devil Trait so I think that Balberith and Verrine sooner or later would get training in using her demoniac power.
For me Ingvild could learn elemental magic by Akeno and Rossweisse because in this way she could fully exploit the bishop's trait just like Asia has already try do it.
I was thinking about the possibility of combined attacks between Akeno and Ingvild: maybe the Holy Lightning Dragons that merged with the Sea Dragons.
What would benefit Ingvild is learning from someone well-versed in using water-based demonic powers. The only one that would be suited for that is Sona. Just so Ingvild could gain a better control and understanding of her powers.
I agree with this, she also have to learn how to use the Ocean's Manipulation of her Longinus.
Well sona cut from the plot all together
It is not like she was completely deleted from the plot, is just that Ishi hasn't use her in last Volumes.
We have see her get the promotion to Ultimate Class in the Shin DXD 4. She could return for helping Ingvild just like Lucidrago was suggesting.
Ingvild doesn't need Sona anymore after the Leviathan tablet.
And what's Sona's best move, a big water dragon? Ingvild can do that already.
Also, as I was thinking about Kiba merging his Sacred Gears, I remembered Tosca. She has a strong barrier-type Sacred Gear where time doesn't pass for her iirc. I wonder if we'll see her supporting Kiba in a fight or not.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-21, 07:56
Ingvild doesn't need Sona anymore after the Leviathan tablet.
I wonder if Ingvild could have the Leviathan's form that the Leviathan girl of DXD 0 has try to use again Ajuka?
And what's Sona's best move, a big water dragon?
Speaking about Sona I start to wonder if Ishi would allow her to use one of the Malebranche for make her relevant in the story?
Also, as I was thinking about Kiba merging his Sacred Gears, I remembered Tosca. She has a strong barrier-type Sacred Gear where time doesn't pass for her iirc. I wonder if we'll see her supporting Kiba in a fight or not.
In this case the other question is how much durable her barrier actually is?
For example if it can't stop even the attack of Maou Class then she would be useless again the Eevie.
For what concern Kiba I dunno how much he could better he can be after his two Sacred Gears merged together.
Lucidrago
2023-06-21, 08:42
Ingvild doesn't need Sona anymore after the Leviathan tablet.
And what's Sona's best move, a big water dragon? Ingvild can do that already.
Yeah at this point all Ingvild needs is time and experience. Issei wasn't taking down gods in Volume 1 so we really shouldn't expect Ingvild to. She's already way stronger than everyone was at the very beginning of DxD.
I would say that at this point she's probably stronger than an average Ultimate-class devil. I just wonder what her Balance Breaker will look like.
@Hyodou True DxD That's kind of unfair when most of the main characters can't take on Maou-class beings themselves.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-21, 12:01
I would say that at this point she's probably stronger than an average Ultimate-class devil. I just wonder what her Balance Breaker will look like.
Ingvild was confirmed to be Maou Class or even above already in the Shin DXD 2:
“However…regarding Ingvild, I measured only the amount of her aura and…the calculation showed that she was already Maou-class, or even above that… Taking her talent with controlling magic into account, I couldn’t even imagine just how powerful she’ll be once she masters the specialty of Maou Leviathan. I mean, even this Water Dragon looked like it was formed unconsciously.”
—! The amount of her aura was Maou-class or above!? In her current condition!? …I-I really made a hell of a girl my servant, huh. …I wonder if this was what Rias felt when she picked me, the Red Dragon Emperor? But no, I didn’t have the power of a Maou-class.
https://occult-research.club/project/index.php?title=Shin_High_School_DxD:Volume_2_Life _3
For what concern the BXB I was thinking about something like a purple draconic armor in part made of water
@Hyodou True DxD That's kind of unfair when most of the main characters can't take on Maou-class beings themselves.
You are talking about my idea of Sonia that get a Malebranche?
Well I wouldn't say that is unfair since for me the main cast members would all get a bigger power up thanks Issei.
Expecialy the girls that would be the 12 Heavenly Breast could get something very big thanks Issei and Chichigami.
Kiba could have a sword of Longinus level that could be the result of one of his sword that merged with a improved version of the Dividing Wyvern that Ryuuteimaru could make and also Gasper could drink Issei's blood once again and get a new form.
If you ever watched/ read black clover and get a idea of Noel water dragon amor I have high hopes her BxB could be something like that and future training she could make a Abyss side fusing her Leviathan bloodline like what vali did
I was thinking that she should get her regular BXB first and then like Vali she could archive a Abyss Side and a Moaufication. Since she could be one of the Heavenly Breast I think that her Ultimate Form could be something related to Issei and Chichigami.
Lucidrago
2023-06-21, 16:19
Ingvild was confirmed to be Maou Class or even above already in the Shin DXD 2:
https://occult-research.club/project/index.php?title=Shin_High_School_DxD:Volume_2_Life _3
For what concern the BXB I was thinking about something like a purple draconic armor in part made of water
You are talking about my idea of Sonia that get a Malebranche?
Well I wouldn't say that is unfair since for me the main cast members would all get a bigger power up thanks Issei.
Expecialy the girls that would be the 12 Heavenly Breast could get something very big thanks Issei and Chichigami.
Kiba could have a sword of Longinus level that could be the result of one of his sword that merged with a improved version of the Dividing Wyvern that Ryuuteimaru could make and also Gasper could drink Issei's blood once again and get a new form.
I was thinking that she should get her regular BXB first and then like Vali she could archive a Abyss Side and a Moaufication. Since she could be one of the Heavenly Breast I think that her Ultimate Form could be something related to Issei and Chichigami.
Vali doesn't have an Abyss-side Balance Breaker. The only one that does is Tobio.
Vali's Maouification was only made possible due to his bloodline and Ophis' blessing and the fact it was Divine Dividing.
Maybe her Balance Breaker could be one that turns the area around her into a massive pool of water with her allies being able to breathe and move around normally in it while any opponents will slowly suffocate and have their movements hindered and their attacks be rendered almost completely useless. While Ingvild assumes the form [Sea Serpent of the End] and is able to move very fast within the pool of water and is able to control all the water around her freely.
Vali has Abyss Side actually. Vali, Tobio, Saji, Issei and Gasper as mentioned in V21.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-21, 16:59
Maybe her Balance Breaker could be one that turns the area around her into a massive pool of water with her allies being able to breathe and move around normally in it while any opponents will slowly suffocate and have their movements hindered and their attacks be rendered almost completely useless. While Ingvild assumes the form [Sea Serpent of the End] and is able to move very fast within the pool of water and is able to control all the water around her freely.
Maybe he could be something like that.
I was also thinking that if she have the Maoufication she could merged with the ocean itself and became a very massive Leviathan.
I'm curious about these matchups.
Gressil and Sonneillon vs EJO Vali and Arthur
Gressil and Sonneillon vs Roygun and Bedeze w/ King piece
I feel like Gressil and Sonneillon could have been really menacing opponents if they were allowed to evolve. Imagine Gressil as a Super Devil, that's a freaking nightmare.
Lucidrago
2023-06-21, 22:36
Vali has Abyss Side actually. Vali, Tobio, Saji, Issei and Gasper as mentioned in V21.
Sorry about that. I just reread that part in Volume 21. Don't know why I only remembered Tobio having an Abyss-side.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-22, 04:12
I feel like Gressil and Sonneillon could have been really menacing opponents if they were allowed to evolve. Imagine Gressil as a Super Devil, that's a freaking nightmare.
They was said to be already above Maou Class in the Volume 24 : <<The measured rank of Number 14784Sonneillon[3] and Number 50019Gressil[4] are above Maou-class — also>>
https://occult-research.club/project/index.php?title=High_School_DxD:Volume_24_Artifici al_transcendental
Is shame that they get killed and be jobbers for Cao Cao and Tobio.
I believe that Ishi has choice to kill them because there was already too much characters to wrotte and development.
You know I too feel that they was wasted after all...
Don't know why I only remembered Tobio having an Abyss-side.
And speaking about Tobio from what I remember Ishi in both his blog and the Afterword of Shin DXD 3 has said that Tobio would get a power up.
I wonder what it could be?
Well I bet that whatever it will be, it would turn out be the reason thanks to which Tobio could give a proper fight again Vali DXD L in the Azazel Cup.
I don't believe he said a powerup for Tobio. I think he said he would reveal more about his Abyss Side. Tobio's already said to have mastered his Longinus and polished it to its limits.
But the Slash Dog team got blessings from the Japanese gods. And yeah, I think Tobio has "???" in Ishi's blog under his ability section. He could very well have another powerup beyond Abyss Side.
Hyodou True DXD
2023-06-22, 12:04
But the Slash Dog team got blessings from the Japanese gods. And yeah, I think Tobio has "???" in Ishi's blog under his ability section. He could very well have another powerup beyond Abyss Side.
I wonder what those blessing from the Japanese Gods would be?
From what I remembers the ones that in his blog have the "???" were Issei, Vali, Gasper, Tobio, Cao Cao and no one else.
I really hope that this wouldn't mean that he would be completely focus on just those five and because of this he will nor show the BXB of Ingvild, Shooting Star and Magnum Rose nor would let Sairoarg get another form neither.
I'm guessing only those five will get a major power up. Of course he did hint that Kiba's SG may fuse. Of course can't say much either even if all the remaining characters get shafted in favor of those 5.
Lucidrago
2023-06-22, 21:51
I'm guessing only those five will get a major power up. Of course he did hint that Kiba's SG may fuse. Of course can't say much either even if all the remaining characters get shafted in favor of those 5.
He may already have Balance Breakers in mind for Ingvild, Shooting Star, and Magnus Rose because they are some of the only characters that don'r have one. And plus Ishibuni isn't going to go out of his way to create new Longinus and not reveal a Balance Breaker for them. But that's almost certainly all they're getting just because they were too recently introduced.
Issei, Vali, Gasper, Cao Cao, and Tobio are well-established characters that Ishibuni has put a lot of focus and attention on and put a lot of thought into their characters and their respective powers. All five of them have already achieved Balance Breaker and some have gone beyond it. It's clear why they would have the question marks.
I feel almost certain that DxD G and DxD L will be Issei's and Vali's final armoured forms.
I don't think he's shown much of Tobio's team in DxD just because he isn't finished writing Slash Dog and doesn't want to reveal too much in DxD that he's saving for Slash Dog.
Kiba will likely get a Balance Breaker that combines both Sword Birth and Blade Blacksmith. Like Saii's Malebolge Vritra Promotion.
I wouldn't mind if he shafted Meredith and Alphecca Tyrant completely. Should have never been introduced in my opinion. Same with Bova Tannin.
By the way, what did Magnus do in the Rating Game against Typhon's team? I know about the combined flame attack from Riser, Ruval, and Bennu. But didagnus do anything important?
Dareal_truth
2023-06-22, 22:27
He may already have Balance Breakers in mind for Ingvild, Shooting Star, and Magnus Rose because they are some of the only characters that don'r have one. And plus Ishibuni isn't going to go out of his way to create new Longinus and not reveal a Balance Breaker for them. But that's almost certainly all they're getting just because they were too recently introduced.
I wouldn't mind if he shafted Meredith and Alphecca Tyrant completely. Should have never been introduced in my opinion. Same with Bova Tannin.
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What’s yo beef with bova lol he’s been through it
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