High School DxD Light Novel - EX Sidestories Discussion

[ukulelembo]

Oh, I thought you were talking about Part 4. My bad. So does Part 4 have anything on any of Ise's kids that haven't been revealed in previous Parts?
Part 4 revealed Robertina and Helmwige.

If anything happens to Sirzechs I highly doubt Grayfia would have eye for any other man for the rest of her life
Are you sure? Have you seen latest Special? :D
http://i.imgur.com/qC2Nn2W.png

[kusabireika]

@Ruki0089: nope sorry, even if someone agreed with you for me it's kinda bad writing if that scenario really happen it make the story very predictable and it might make it very boring for me, uhm sorry. =_= :nod:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-37_zpsc0sqyxwd.gif

[Ruki0089]

Come on guys... You guys took my jokes seriously
Well, I actually hope that truly happen

[Hakai]

Are you sure? Have you seen latest Special? :D
http://i.imgur.com/qC2Nn2W.png
....
I change my mind :D
Come on guys... You guys took my jokes seriously
I knew it was joke

But some people might seriously start considering it after the latest special

[B214]

Well she's drunk in that special but even then she didn't cross the line with Ise. Or rather Ise's too scared to cross that line himself. :heh:

[kusabireika]

@B214: uhm yup that's true. ^^ :heehee:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-31_zpshehggse4.gif

[Ruki0089]

not in the future... you having affair is normal... LOl

[Variabug]

Allright everyone! As my special Christmas gift to all of you DXD EX 4 Ver 2 has been finished and released to Saeba! Thanks to both him and Amtro for giving me all the info needed to make RAWS suited for translation. Can't wait till Saeba starts the summary!

[Ariel_Saeba]

I annul my previous posts about the VIPs having an incident. Now it's clear that Azazel had anticipated some leaks to the VIPs about the children's shenanigans, and he expect them Shemhaza, Sirzechs, Michael, Odin, and Zeus to keep their mouth shut (but entirely convinced about Ise's children story since it's a first-hand information directly from him).

[Ariel_Saeba]

By the way, I will keep the POV to Azazel as it is instead of making it third person (since it works as a full translation anyway :D)

[Ariel_Saeba]

Wait, WHAT?　Azazel told ORC that the children are Vali Team? :heh:

[Hakai]

Wait, WHAT?　Azazel told ORC that the children are Vali Team? :heh:

http://imgh.us/AibSqdX.gif

Never change Azazel

[Ariel_Saeba]

Have you ever imagined　Rias as a career woman type? (more specifically, an industrial magnate) :heh:

[amtro]

Absolutely. I am going to assume that this is a concealed spoiler.

[Chichiryuushintei]

As a "career woman", yes, but not as a magnate.

[DragonOsman]

Azazel really told the Occult Research Club members that the kids are from the Vali Team? Seriously? That's going to be funny to read about.

As for Grayfia, Ruki, I'm going to agree with everyone else. The scene at the Onsen didn't count for me since that was just Grayfia teasing him - plus, she was drunk.

I'm not sure if she really won't go for Ise after Sirzechs dies, though. I'd be all for it, actually, if it did happen. But it might not.

[Ariel_Saeba]

Summary (or full translation draft, if you ask me :D) of High School DxD EX Chapter 4: Crimson Will

Part 1: The Armor-Piercing Question: Do you like OPPAI? :heh:
Airi, Zen, and Shin have fought together as the new generation of the Church Trio this afternoon, and after the battle, it is nighttime at a café at the Kuou downtown.

After the battle at the underground quarry, I can no longer hide the situation, but the VIPs like Shemhaza, Sirzechs, Michael, Odin, and Zeus can be trusted to keep their mouth shut.

Although they will be surprised, they will be convinced entirely since I told this to them.

Well, they are leaders of different factions of mythologies; there must be a god of time among them. However, I still cannot comprehend the reason evil gods from different dimension can make their way and invade this world in the future.

In addition, knowing the circumstances, the leaders will consider it carefully and give their consent anyway, so I will contact and discuss with all of them in my private line secretly. Well, I’m the one responsible for the central matter in the swirl of this case. I will involve more until the matter is settled.

I won’t give any details to the VIPs, just the summary. About Asia having been cursed by Loki, Issei’s children who come to this timeline will solve it or so they said, and I don’t want them to hear about the future weapons, technology, and world situation. They will not giving the second permission, because this is not something most people are normally talking. This will lead to a major change of history, so this must be completely avoided. I was with Issei and Rias’ group, who appeared at the underground quarry.

“They seem to be a group of ancient weapons made by the Old Gods stored in the Dimensional Gap, and they awakened suddenly and invade this world.
”

I explained roughly. To put it short, the ones who fought with me in Komaou town (Kuou’s neighbor town, where the quarry takes place) against the enemies are the Vali team who is troublesome since they acquired Gog-Magog (which is similar to the [UL] appeared there). Although we already know that Vali and his pals got it at the Dimensional Gap…

They don’t seem to fully understand it but they believed in my explanation anyway. Only Rossweisse, who is knowledgeable about this subject, is suspicious, although she still doesn’t have the idea of “messenger from the future” at the present.

At this time, it will be typical for Rias to hear it from her brother Sirzechs. One thing for sure, we agree to always take every precaution and keep in contact when we find other [UL]s.

… well, It’s so heavy for me to tell the truth. The key is to not let Rias and her group know about the children’s true identity, as well as solving it before being leaked to other factions. Moreover, the fact that I cooperate with Ise’s children must not be known by any other than myself. In this condition, the best bet for the siblings is to defeat both the [UL] and future Loki coming here at the same time. A very special mission with amazing level of difficulty…

…well, the good thing is that the children who came here along with me are strong fighters with wartime experience, although it will be impossible for me to lend a hand to them. The problem is, they don’t show manners and attitudes common in this time. If they show these in public, not only each mythology will be chaotic, but I guess there will be a colossal effect to humans too. It’s going to be the greatest change of my life’s history, but will not decrease my evil credibility that much. That’s enough determination to stop the [UL] from reaching their goals. I make that important decision while I am drinking a green tea latte. I have scheduled to meet Gasper after finishing my drink… that guy has contacted me earlier, just before I enter this café. I set my sight to the boy sitting face-to-face with me.

The crimson-haired boy Ex Gremory stares still at me. Right after the Occult Research Club went, I can see Ex uses individual magic circle “Just a bit earlier and they will be able to see you.” I said to him as the circle disappears. I am interested in what he does and the boy just gave the green light for my observation. We haven’t started any conversation and Ex has kept his mouth shut since we entered the café.

“So what is it that you want to ask me?”

“E, eh… it is…”

Ex just keeps silent and put his head down, I just stand in place. I think he is a bold boy standing at the battlefield like his parents, and he can just speak bluntly and to the point… but now I understand that the son of Ise and Rias just cannot face a person when he is talking face-to-face. This talk will become nowhere, so I decided to ask again.

“You seem appeared all the way right in front of me with purpose. Is there something you want to ask?”
“…”

What is this, from his expressions and attitude I know he wants to hear something from me.

This is pointless. I had better try to cut out this conversation.

“Well, let me ask you back. What is future Rias doing? Is she the Head of the House?”

When I said that, his expression changes and Ex starts to talk gleefully

“No, she retired and ceded the seat of family head to her nephew, Prince Milicas oji-sama. Mother now expands her business range into many different kinds of industry. We are also Rating Game players, although the game itself was discontinued during the war, after the invasion of the Evil Gods hit our world.”

Ex turns his eyes down as he continues,

“Once, father was also a player of the game. Because he is busy, even trying to present himself in a game is a difficult task.”

When he speaks about Rias his tone is light, on the other hand, his lips gets difficult to move when he talks about Issei. Seems like he has some kind of load when telling his father’s story, and I choose not to continue about it.

I have a bit mischievous heart; I will try to talk this out.

“By the way... do you like woman’s breasts?”

Ex paralyses in fear as he hears the question while sipping his tea.
The tea that has been sipped into his mouth spits out as he coughs after he put back his cup.

“Ugh!”

I wipe the surface hit with his cough with a handkerchief. After his breath becomes normal, he complaints while his face blushes,

“Wh, wh, wh, wh, wh, WHAT DO YOU SAY!?”

Uh-oh! A childish reaction! And it is not as innocent as I am thinking! Isn’t it bad?

Ex continues after he clears his throat and empties his mind.

“You say woman’s breasts… Well, all of our mothers have large chests, so we are convinced that one is called a woman when she is buxom ever since we are toddler. At first, we don’t recognize a woman if she has small breasts, but it is very rude if you say it to Lady Sona so all we can do is stay silent.”


Part 2: The Mighty Time Master Appears.

I wonder what will happen to the kids if the father asked for the mom’s breasts too… Ah… it seems like the children have a little ordeal in their education. Many people consider Sona sweet with her candy eyes.
Ex grasps the handkerchief as he tries to vent his anger by burying his face on it.
“Father who just marries women with large breasts is too erotic! Therefore, his children, including me, are like this…tch! [The Oppai Dragon Song], I was told the only one being told that it is used as our lullaby song… tch! ”

“Sorry, I was the one who wrote that song.”

I apologize without sweeping my hair. As for the song… Sirzechs and I are the ones who made it.

Really, after being a nuisance for thirty years, the song will not matter anymore to the next generation that they make it as a lullaby.

Ix panics as I give my hand as a sign of apology

“No, no, it’s not that… no, although this might have sense.”

While some of Ise’s kids have tendency to rush in recklessly, on the other hand, their manners to elders are surprisingly polite and appropriate.

Indeed, several minutes of listening his conversation makes me understand this boy. If I compare it with this era, the families supporting the Satans tend to show only slight level of respect in private times. Perhaps because Sirzechs and Serafall tend to show such appearance in private (SATAN RANGERS! :heh:), their sisters Rias and Sona tend to become serious similar to their mothers. Similarly, Ex becomes very serious due to his sukebe father.

When I think back, Ise’s other children are also serious. Perhaps being raised by foster parents do give a major impact in their way of growth.

I become really interested with this and decide to ask more.

“How are Kiba and Vali? Are they alright?”

“Yes, Shihan (assistant grand master) Yuuto-san becomes our mentor. Vali-sensei discovered an ancient relic from the Old Gods era, founded a magician brotherhood “Mizunoe” and become the first Devil Archmage, studying ruins while became obsessed with ramen. The first six months when I became his apprentice I was ordered to wash the dish everyday. Fighting a battle and making ramen are basically the same for him.”

Putting Kiba aside, Vali is… half of my expectations. It is the other half which makes really interesting… So, he began doing research… As for the ramen... there’s no indication to that.

“However, in the war, he fought with the two others...”

They would have become important main manpower in the future.

The conversation hit, and we continues to talk small details. Ex becomes more jolly as he warms up, treating me like an uncle.

“Ehm… how about your dad? That person is the most important in the family.”

We are cut out with someone standing in front of us.

“First Governor Azazel, I have come to pick you up from our superior.”

It is Himejima Kurenai.

With the appearance of his elder brother, Ex swallows the words he already wanted to say. Although I will ask it once I’ve met all of the siblings sent.

Ex seems to be in surprise when his brother came, I smile and guess immediately,

“Ex, that’s right. It might be good if you also come. Our boss called.”

Kurenai, Ex, and I move out from the café.

Kurenai takes me to the vast underground space of Kuou town… where I first met him and the area I often ventured. Since he still have errands to do, he takes his leave after guiding us. The eldest son have many things to do…

I can feel an amazing aura as I enter a space as it has tremendous unknown pressure, and when I looked further two girls stand at the front, one a blonde girl with four hair drills, and two a silver-haired girl with Valkyrie armor. I create a magic circle as a counter measure and tries to keep my sight ahead.

So the pressure I felt was not from these two people.

Then, a shadowy figure appear from behind the wall. It was able to pass through it. When I look at it, it is a tall, blonde man wearing a black robe. He is very well-built, great physique, with a fearless look. He looks at me with a pair of red eyes. However, his strong, quiet aura are very nostalgic.

The courageous man gives a broad smile, and I walk to greet him.

“Hello there, Sensei.”

The smile has some reminiscent to it.

“You too. You must be Gasper.”

The man in robe acknowledge my words… Gasper nods.

“Yes, even if I have changed… I am Gasper Vladi.”

This is… a great surprise. No way, that delicate lad becomes like this. There are no signs of a crossdresser in this manly man. Even with that hair color, there is no sign of feeble atmosphere around him.

“Are you the one in charge with this mission?”

I say this while giving a handshake.

“Yes, I am in charge of the time manipulation of the time travel. Well, I am one of Ise-senpai’s attendant and have known the children since they were born, all of them will follow my commands.”

As Gasper says that, Ex hides behind me, “…but, it’s scary…” he lets out a word, and I keep that in my mind.

After Gasper and I exchanged greeting, we share the information we have in order to plan ahead with the situation, he gives the data of the alien enemy [UL] which are coming to this world.

They come to the past with future Loki in two organization: the Executives, 羅喉七曜, "The Collective Seven Magnificent Hunters" (apparently based from the seven magnificent samurai Note: After tinkering a bit, the name is a mix of Chinese and Japanese), and Lord Renzo is one of them. Next is the Four Generals of Invade Fanatics. The Four Generals pulling all of their army of soldiers from the future are supposed to time travel with Loki, but the bulk of their forces are left behind because their time travel are sabotaged by Gasper and the future warriors.

However, the enemy didn’t seem to recognize their General, that cylindrical [UL] thing before, let alone they forcibly transported a Pillar of the “Bespa Rekorg”. Gasper and Ise’s children are trying to stop them in advance and fought bravely in this era. Thanks to them, this era’s world does not suffer a major impact yet. I really admire them now.

I ask Gasper

“Guys, since you purposely return back to this time, will this affect the history of each mythology?　Plus, you cannot come in contact with Ise's group in this era.”


Part 3: The Raunchy Hyoudou-Gremory Family.



Gasper nods,

“We must try not to do a major change in this era and our own time axis, but from looking back further in time, it is true that several branches of world lines have already made. We wanted to keep the proper history for the people, and we cannot let an existence become a major enemy in the future. At this time, the Satan Lord Ajuka Beelzebub is observing the different lines with my companions which will become the key in converging them together. We are one of the advance teams dispatched from the future to extinguish the raging, violent [UL] in the past.”

“The problem is, one of The Collective Seven Magnificent Hunters, Lord Renzo, tried to teleport here. If all the seven hunters come here, they will make a colossal impact on every mythology and it is necessary to avoid that at any costs.”


I have heard that the power of the Seven Hunters each are equal to a Chief God in each mythology. If they begin to rampage in the past… then it will be my fault. Once this breaks out, I’m going to need to have serious discussion with Sirzechs and the others.

Gasper says with a meek look,

“If that is possible, then…”

Looks like there are countermeasures. I don’t know how, but it will be reassuring if we can avoid an all-out war.

As Gasper and I are talking, the blonde and silver-haired girl finish their analysis and begin to talk.

The blonde girl says,

“Uncle Vladi, we have finished pinpointing almost all of the [UL] teleport points for the time being.”

The silver-haired girl continues the report,

“We are also able to locate and identify all of our siblings that are sent here to this era at the same time.”

Gasper gives a single nod,

“Excellent, Robertina, Helmwige. Ah, Sensei, here are my assistants who is also Ise-senpai’s children.”

The blonde girl responds to Gasper by raising her skirt a little and gives her greeting

“Good day, Sir First Governor-general. My name is Robertina Hyoudou.”

“Hyoudou? But your aura is that of a Phoenix.”

Yeah, the aura raised from this girl is that the fire of Phoenix… but being Issei’s daughter, her Dragon aura is also inherent.

“That’s correct. I am the daughter of Hyoudou Issei and Ravel Hyoudou. I don’t use the Phoenix surname because mother left the house. Therefore, I use the last name father has been used in the underworld. I’m the same age as Ex-kun, by the way.”

Since she gives herself to marry Ise, Ravel cannot use the Phoenix name. She also cannot use Gremory, so she uses Hyoudou.

That reminds me, one of the [UL] soldiers mentioned the Hyoudou name.

The two hair drills is Ravel’s characteristic, but it’s funny to see that her daughter has four.

“Seems like future Ise has a different name.”

As I say so, Ravel’s daughter Robertina gives a small laugh.

“He has different names when he is outside of the house”

If it is so, then he at least to have two names combined with him.

The silver-haired daughter with Valkyrie armor (which takes form like the Boosted Gear Scale Mail) greets me politely.

“I am Helmwige. My father is the Sekiryuutei and my mother is a Valkyrie. I was born at the same year as Zen and Shin-kun.”

“Ah, I can tell from a glance that you are Rossweisse’s daughter. You’re just like your mother.”

She’s very much like Rossweisse, except she makes her hair into a single long braid (Valkyrie Profile reference? I think so :heh: ). Most of Ise’s children I’ve met have their mothers’ characteristics.

Rossweisse’s daughter, Helmwige, says

“We have one more brother who is a magic user, but… he is born in the original timeline, so we have to fix the future for him to exist.”

Robertina gives a discontent sigh,

“Rather than choose the Holy King Sword Collbrande, that boy chooses to be a wizard instead. It’s such a waste of his talent!”

You guys have an amazing bloodline, to say the least.

“He is more selfish than Ex-kun. You must not question your father and mother’s reputation and make it your own problem! You’re like that, eh, Ex-kun?”


Robertina folds her arms,

“That’s a rude remark.”

Seems like Robertina has a knack for saying rude things and giving nicknames, as Ex can be seen looking at her with disgust as if he is saying “I told you so”. Ravel’s daughter seems to be fond of their parents. Her rude remarks roots from her mother’s ojou personality.

Gasper strokes Ex in the head, surprising the boy.

“It’s a good thing as siblings to care for each other. Ex, you need to be a little calm like Robertina said. You are more reckless than your parents do. You need to drop that, you know?


“…I got it.”

Ex accepts while looking down.

Wow, I can feel that Gasper had grown up and give a mature opinion like that.

I am really interested in this future scene that I am seeing in front of my eyes.

A magic circle suddenly expands at Helmwige’s feet. It seems to appear automatically. The symbols on the circle moves in a dizzying pace. I become restless.

Helmwige reports to Gasper with grim expression.

“Vladi-san, this is serious. A [UL] battalion has been sighted near Kyoto.

And so, those people’s battle continues….

-DxD-


Part 4: Battle in Kyoto!

Ex, Gasper, Helmwige, Robertina, and I arrives by the teleportation circle. We are at the mountain trail between Kyoto and Shiga Prefecture. We jumped directly to the location where the [UL] were reported.

Ise’s other children who are not with us must be quelling the rampaging [UL] somewhere.

While walking on the lush mountain trees, Ex whispers,

“They’re aiming for the Kyoto Youkais”
I follows his words,

“There must be a clan which has different abilities in this era. Geez, it doesn’t make sense. Is there any representatives of the Five Great Houses (Yet another Slash/Dog leaks! Well, considering Ouryuu Nakiri becomes Zenobia’s new Student Council crew…) or strong Youkais in your ranks?”

Gasper speaks,

“Yes, they have… The enemy wanted to terminate them along with one of the Sekiryuutei’s relative who lives here before it’s too late.”

I wonder if that is certainly the case. We are heading toward one of the gates leading to the place… where the Kyoto Youkais reside.

Sure enough, I can see the old-fashioned Torii shows up on the back of the mountain. It is one of Kyoto’s rear gate. The atmosphere oozes a very strong eerie feeling around the area. It is a group of [UL] soldiers with silver bodies. A large shadow gives an imposing aura on the center… it is the machine dragon Galvaldan!

Several days ago, its left arm was blowing out steam because Zen cut that off. When we meet it again, it is clear that it had it replaced with a very thick drill-shaped limb. I can feel something very brutal about that evil drill sword. It also has a new weapon, installed in its back like a rucksack.

It is a good thing we pass through this gate. If these ferocious things begin to rampage in Kyoto without anyone knowing, I won’t know how much destruction and damage they can cause.

Gasper shrouds himself in extraordinary aura and charge valiantly to the [UL]. Judging from the abysmal amount of energy, his growth potential is far beyond me, and it is clear that he is the most powerful of us.

After seeing Gasper’s appearance, all of the [UL] turn their gaze at once to him.
As soon as the enemy commander, Galvaldan, sees Gasper, he puts up shining eyes.

“Don’t think you’ll come here too, Gasper Balor.”

Gasper sets his arms in a stance, staring at Galvaldan while emitting intimidating aura. I don’t see any signs of his present day’s cowardly boy persona. He becomes very strong. I am very impressed.

Gasper asks Galvaldan,

“Galvaldan, one of the Four Generals of Invade Fanatics. What brings you to this place? Is it to bring crisis and chaos to those who live in Kyoto?”

“Well, that. However the real purpose is that I want to grab this damn thing.”

As it says that, Galvaldan shoves its left drill arm.

The drill rotates at high speed as it buzzes and generates a dangerous vibe.

“Of all the Four Generals out there, I was the one sent here and was given this drill weapon as a replacement for my missing original arm given by Addoza. Even though I sent that bastard my original arm as a model for making the replacement… This thing is good.”

“However, because there is a powerful barrier erected in this time axis, it was a struggle just to transport this damn thing… Well, yeah, your interference will be a nuisance. Thanks to the misaligned transfer point, I have come right next to ya.”

That same drill was transported from the future as a reinforcement part meant to be used by Lord Renzo, but now it’s being held by one of the Four Generals. And thanks by the successful efforts of the future warriors, all the Four Generals can do is to transport weapons and their support.

From the talk of this proceeding trip to Kyoto, it seems that the transport point of the drill weapon was shifted out of the designated coordinates, and incidentally sent to this era’s Kyoto.

In a split second, Galvaldan ignites its rocket engines, making a blaze! It jumps directly, but I immediately create a barrier around the area for cover. I need to minimize the damage as much as possible.

“Oh, well! Not so bad. Let’s put this thing on trial! It’s time to pay back the condition that you guys gave last time now that I am in perfect condition! Drill baby driiiiiilllll!”

The new drill arm is so intense, its impact to the ground creates a shockwave after a missed attack to Ex! He flows backwards due to the sheer shockwave!

Robertina flows sidewards, the [UL] soldiers begin shooting bottomless bullets at once towards her, but she just sweeps the attacks with the skillful use of her Phoenix fire and the bullets just disappear as if nothing happened.

“It’s useless. I am invulnerable, that’s why.”

As she says that, Robertina sprouts huge, feathered fiery wings on her back, and sweeps over a group of the enemy soldiers, burning them all on the spot!

“You paid for using those small fries to be my opponent.”

At the same time, Helmwige deploys numerous magic circle at her front, and shoots countless number of spears. Each spear is tied with a magic scroll and hit another group of enemy soldiers. I can hear explosions when it pierces, and others are visible in a frozen state after hitting. Both girls are strong!

I also shoot several spears of light, and hit several [UL] without any difficulties. The problem is there, and I lay my eyes at Galvaldan.


Final Part: The Fighting Heats Up

The hit is not fatal, but Ex did not received severe injuries accumulated in his body.

Once it gets some distance, Galvaldan slouches his stance. It unpacks the weapon on its back.

It mounts countless missiles! The numbers are terrible! It can level the whole mountain!

“FIRE IN THE HOOOOLLLLEEEE!”

Galvaldan fires the missiles, and he aims towards us.

Suddenly, it becomes quiet. There is no noises of fighting, and the sounds of flying missiles disappear, as if the time has been stopped.

All of the missiles has been stopped in mid-air. Galvaldan and his [UL] army are also stopped. I know this phenomenon!

Gasper’s red eyes glow and he takes one step forward.

“Azazel-sensei, I will freeze the time surrounding Ex and company.”

The time running around us is stopped, but Gasper says we can move. All the [UL] and the trees of the mountain are also stopped. Not only stopping the time in a dimension, but he can also move in that time-stopped dimension.

“If there is someone who can move in this time-frozen world of mine, it would be only those who have my permission, Gods and transcendental beings (Super Devils), the new generation Satans, and those who are equal to the Two Heavenly Dragons.”

Gasper says that.

If he can do this, would this mean that he becomes one of the strongest being in the future?

Robertina suddenly speaks

“[The Champion of Time and Space] Aeon Tycoon, now you can see why Uncle Vladi is called [a transcendental person (Super Devil)].”

“A transcendental person (Super Devil)? Gasper?”

I ask Robertina,

“After thirty years, there are six people who become transcendental beings (Super Devils) in the Underworld. Among them are Prince Milicas oji-sama, Lord Ajuka Beelzebub, and Uncle Vladi.”

If you can completely control time, it’s not strange to be one yourself.

“At that level? How about Ex’s?”

As I ask, Gasper expands the shadow under his feet. Darkness wraps the missiles fired and stops them in mid-air before vanishing in thin air.

Gasper says to Ex,

“Ex, we need to pass through this battlefield, can you charge and dispose this good-for-nothing boogeyman?


Gasper points his finger to the frozen Galvaldan.

“Good Ex, when the time starts tickling again, you can finish Galvaldan off. I know you’re still thinking about your father, but you cannot solve anything if you put yourself in the dark and let it cloud your judgment. ”

Probably because someone mentioned his father right at the front of him, Ex speaks intensely,

“I know… I know! But sir Vladi! No, Uncle Gasper! Even Mother Asia fell to Loki’s Curse, and he couldn’t even show up to prevent that!? He is an important man, yet he cannot visit and see us face-to-face!”

“So, you cannot forgive him?”

“…”

Ex remains silent, he cannot answer Gasper’s question.

At first, I want to ask Ex about his father, but from what I see now…Seems like he is weighing Ise’s values using me as a comparison.

I think that he is having serious teenager “daddy issues” since he seems cannot decide whether he likes or hates Ise.

However, Gasper shows his sincere smile to Ex, and says exactly what I am feeling right now,

“You should know, Ex. That man loves you as much as the whole family. There are many reasons he cannot stay over, let alone gives a chat and plays with all of you like fathers commonly do.”


“But still!”

“You will find the answer naturally on your own. For now, change that feeling into your power and stop this guy. I will loop back the time flow… Unleash the power of the Heavenly Dragon inside you and win this battle.”

“tch!”

As Gasper points his finger, I can feel a power surge on Ex.

Then, after Gasper snaps his finger, the world starts moving again.

“This is…”

Galvaldan was surprised to see his missiles have vanished in an instant, and set his sight and think that it’s all Gasper’s work.

Gasper says toward Ex,

“Since you cannot just rely on your strength alone, I want to ask: what is your resolve that makes you through all the events in your life?”

Galvaldan looks with bright, dangerous eyes.

“This tickling my skin, if you ask me. I’m different from that Super Devil said, you know?”

Ex is affected very much by Gasper’s words and starts to charge his gauntlet.

“Hah!”

Ex lets out his Kiai and raises his crimson aura in an instant. He holds his crimson sword.


“Alright. I, who have inherited their blood, body and power, and taught how to use them. I am the inheritor of the [Crimson], Ex Gremory!”

Red aura continues spread and wraps Ex,

“Balance Adjust!”

“[Scarlet Dragon Counter Balance!!!]”

There are small debris flung to the gate!

Red dragon arms and legs appear, and finally Ex are wearing the crimson-colored Scale Mail.

I think the Heavenly Dragons and Airi’s golden plate armors that they wear are light, therefore allowing more nimble movements. Ex sprouts four scarlet dragon wings from his back, and the Scarlet Blade Galatine changes form. He seems to have a different type than his father and elder sister.

He charges the Power of Destruction to his sword, and flies with maximum dragon power.

“Boosted Gear Diabolos Counter-Balance: [Crimson Dragon Sword of Extinction] 'The Existence Cutter' Scarlet Blade! With the will and strength of the Heavenly Dragon, I combine it with the power of this cursed holy sword, prepare yourself, Galvaldan!”

[Boost Blade Boost Blade Boost Blade Boost Blade Boost Blade Boost Blade Boost Blade!!]

A powerful voice raises from the gauntlet’s jewel.

At the same time, crimson aura keeps increasing to the sword.

Ex jumps out without giving a sound! The next moment, crimson flash goes through Galvaldan’s chest, where it is slashed off!

“Crap!”

Galvaldan’s body parts are cut and it becomes clear that he is no match to Ex, and the kid keeps slicing the mechanical dragon in Godspeed! He moves so fast that he cannot be spotted even from my eyes.

Ex adopts his mentors, Vali and Kiba’s combat method, and I wonder if it is the Counter-Balance’s surprise attack. He combines both his parents abnormal powers… Dragon powers and the Power of Destruction to his sword. Galvaldan seems cannot anticipate his strikes.

I see, it’s just like what Gasper says, Ex must learn how to be strong, because they are the next generation with great power, but that comes with great responsibility.

That is the symbol of the future people… Ex Gremory!

“DAAAAMMMMNNN IIIIITTTT!!!!”

Galvaldan emits magnanimous amount of laser rays from its body, but it’s not something that Ex cannot deflect with his sword, fused with the artificial Longinus!

“In the name of the house of Duke Gremory, I will absolutely defeat you, Galvaldan!”

Ex lets out a noble, brave ambience appearance, which makes me remember of a certain person.

I cannot catch the lightning fast combat with my eyes… Ex lets out crimson flashes with his sword that I cannot even catch a glimpse in this backwoods.

[Boost Blade Boost Blade Boost Blade Boost Blade Boost Blade Boost Blade Boost Blade!!!]

Finally, Ex cuts its left drill arm, then right arm, and finally its legs! The mechanical dragon only has a head and torso, and its body falls to the ground face first!

Gasper tells the two girls not to miss the chance,

“Now, Robertina, Helmwige, is the chance to send it back to its world! I’ll open the dimensional gate!”

“Yes!”

Gasper, Robertina, and Helmwige create identical magic circles at the same time, which works as a chronoplast portal in the size of Galvaldan’s body. As the circle shines, it tries to resist the action.

“In this state, I’m done for!!!!”

It tries to escape with its waist rocket.

“That’s not gonna happen.”

I shoot two large spears of light to destroy its rockets. The mechanical life form even rolls to try to escape, but the teleport circle kicks in and wraps it.

“DAAAMMMMNNNNN IIIIITTTT!”

It roars for the last time, and finally disappears in the glow of the circle.




Wearing red aura, Gasper looks at Ex who fought fearlessly and says proudly,

“Ise-senpai and my master Lady Rias once said to me that Ex is very much like Lord Sirzechs.”

So, that’s why. The glimpses I got earlier from Ex is because he has shades of Sirzechs in him.

We confirm the defeat of Galvaldan and his [UL] underlings.

The forest does not suffer too much damage, so I will repair it later.

However, it’s a big achievement that Galvaldan is sent back to the future. With the coming of reinforcements, it will reduce more casualty in the future war in this world. I wonder how much there is the remaining enemies other than Loki and Luma Idra.

But just after catching my breath, another report comes.

“Impossible!”

Robertina is astonished to hear the report from small magic circle on her ear.

“Uncle Vladi! Sir First Governor! I have received a report from elder brother Zen! Right now Mother Rias and the Occult Research club is being attacked and they are on the brink of collapsing!”

Crap! Among the enemy forces that are spread, the big ones came directly! Are they so desperate because of our direct intervention!?

So the fight against Galvaldan is just a decoy!?

The fight goes toward to the climax!

[Hakai]

Azazel you bastard :heh:

Ex might be into butts more,
Like his mentor :D

But I understand Ex's fear, he probably doesn't want the title of Chichiryuutei passed onto him as well

Crimson Haired Chichiryuutei

His personality seems likable now, unlike before. Can't wait for his counter balance

[DragonOsman]

He probably does like breasts, but tries to hide it. Similar to the possibility of him hiding his love for his father deep down and not showing outwardly. After all, if Ishibumi was inspired by Naruto's relationship with Boruto to write this, then it seems reasonable to think like this.

@Saeba: Why would Ex call Millicas his mother's brother? He's her nephew, isn't he? Unless you accidentally typed "her" in place of "his" (i.e. he's actually referring to Millicas as his own brother, since they're cousins and Millicas is older - so "Millicas-onii-sama" or something like that).

[Hakai]

Well he does call Rias 'Neesama' in the novel which seems weird af to me :eyespin:

[DragonOsman]

Eh? He calls his own mother "neesama"? Well, if he's calling present-day Rias that right in front of her, I can understand that since he has to hide the fact that he's her son from the future, but saying it in front of Azazel when the two of them are alone wouldn't make sense. In Part 4, he's calling Rias' future self "Mother," too, so yeah.

[Hakai]

^Millicas :heh:

he calls his aunt Neesama

[DOmus]

He said "Lady Sona", not mother or anything like that, so I guess it's confirmed that she is not with him in the future, not that I actually care TBH, but many had that doubt.

Cmon, I still have faith that her sister might be one.

[Hakai]

He said "Lady Sona", not mother or anything like that, so I guess it's confirmed that she is not with him in the future, not that I actually care TBH, but many had that doubt.

Cmon, I still have faith that her sister might be one.

"because she is a local wife"

You underestimate the power of shippers

It's not going to stop until we get full clear confirmation of Sona settling down with Saji(or someone else)

[Direwolf18]

Wow Rias retired fast.

[Hokoga]

Summary (or full translation draft, if you ask me :D) of High School DxD EX Chapter 4: Crimson Will

Part 1: The Armor-Piercing Question: Do you like OPPAI? :heh:
Ex continues after he clears his throat and empties his mind.“You say woman’s breasts… Well, all of our mothers have large chests, so we are convinced that one is called a woman when she is buxom ever since we are toddler. At first, we don’t recognize a woman if she has small breasts, but it is very rude if you say it to Lady Sona so all we can do is stay silent.”

Aw damn Sona......

[Ariel_Saeba]

＠Osman, It's just a family thing, after all, Ex still calls Milicas "Oji-sama/Uncle". Also, it seems like they will only properly called when older, so no problems here. As for Oppai, like father like son, but unlike Issei who has an inferiority complex (before his character development) that makes his love for breasts seems plausible, (although EVERYONE in the future sees that Ise is considered genuine super erotic pervert) I think Ex is more like the guilty pleasure type :heh:
@Carrot and DOmus: Well, since Ex said that his siblings don't look Sona as a woman at first, this pretty much seals her fate outside the main girls (one condition to enter Ise's harem is that the girl must have big oppai, no exceptions! :heh:.

[DragonOsman]

@Direwolf: 30 years, Dire, 30 whole years. It's enough time.

Edit: Posted at the same time as Saeba, apparently. :heh:

So you're saying Ex does love big breasts, but is just the type for guilty pleasure?

[Ariel_Saeba]

Yep, IMO Ex will only show his fondness of oppai when someone brought the topic to him (the only exception will be his dad, for obvious reasons:heh:).

[DragonOsman]

So he won't admit in front of his dad that he likes big oppai unless he really has to, huh? I can expect as much, given the circumstances.

[Ariel_Saeba]

That, and he doesn't want to compete with Ise. The older the wiser, mate (don't take it seriously):heh:

[kusabireika]

no Gasper....... "cry in the darkest corner of the room" sob sob. T_T :T_T:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-30_zps54fbvlkp.gif

[Hokoga]

He said "Lady Sona", not mother or anything like that, so I guess it's confirmed that she is not with him in the future, not that I actually care TBH, but many had that doubt.

Cmon, I still have faith that her sister might be one.I never had any doubt and I think it was silly that other people did.@Direwolf: 30 years, Dire, 30 whole years. It's enough time.Yeah but when you consider how long Lord Gremory was the head of the Gremory Clan then 30 years seems pretty short.

EDIT: But then again she's only acting as head until Millicas becomes old enough to take over.

[Ariel_Saeba]

@kusa, Azazel had said that he is supposed to meet Gasper after finishing his drink, so he could be in part 2 or 3

[kusabireika]

@Ariel_Saeba: I know, I'm just overreacting that's all uhm sorry. ^^ :blush:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-24_zpsdzyhy2hf.gif

[DragonOsman]

@Hokoga: Why can't Ex become Head? He's Rias' son, after all, which is right in the line of inheritance as it should be: Lord Gremory -> Rias -> Ex -> Ex's child, and etc. The inheritance should only go downwards, not sideways or in any other direction.

[kusabireika]

@DragonOsman: If I remember correctly only Pure Devil can be the head not hybrid like Ex. ^^ :nod:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-38_zpsl5jpd6du.gif

[Hokoga]

@Hokoga: Why can't Ex become Head? He's Rias' son, after all, which is right in the line of inheritance as it should be: Lord Gremory -> Rias -> Ex -> Ex's child, and etc. The inheritance should only go downwards, not sideways or in any other direction.It probably has something to do with being a pure blooded devil and Ex isn't really a pure blooded devil. ^What kusa said.

[Chichiryuushintei]

I think the position as head of the family is just given to the older possible. Since Millicas was just a child and Sirzechs had to give his position as heir, Rias became the heir, But Millicas was always the one considered to be the next in line after her. His SS was called "the next-next head of the family" or something.

As for Ichs's personality: Eh. It's surely an improvement from the moody brat from before, but still not enough to be interesting. At least Airi is cheery and flashy enough to make an impression.

[B214]

What Kusa and Hokoga said and also the actual lineage of the clan should've been Lord Gremory > Sirzechs > Millicas. But since Sirzechs became Lucifer and Devils have low birthrate, no one knows when Sirzechs child will be born, so Rias was made into the next heir before Millicas is born.

[DragonOsman]

^I think that's it, more than just the "Pure-Blood vs. Mixed-Blood" argument, now that you mention it. Thanks.

@Chichi: Yeah, I do remember that SS. "The Worries of the Next-Next Heir-Sama" or something (I'm sure about everything except the "Worries" part; I'm split between "Life and Worries" and just "Worries").

Hm, so Rias was just a kind of place-holder until Millicas was old enough. That makes sense. Alright, moving on. . . .

[Ariel_Saeba]

Good news: Kiba becomes Okita's Assistant Master (Shihan, second only to Soke, Grand Master, of a Japanese bujutsu ryuha (school of martial arts). Meanwhile, Vali discovered an ancient relic from the Old Gods era, founded a magician brotherhood/association (tentatively called "Mizunoe") and become the first Devil Archmage　（The quirk? he became a ramen-freak like Naruto :heh:).

[B214]

So Vali is now officially the Ramen Dragon Emperor (Ramenryuutei).

[Ariel_Saeba]

Ramenryuutei

I think it is Ramenryuukou :heh:

[Hakai]

Meanwhile, Vali discovered an ancient relic from the Old Gods era, founded a magician brotherhood/association (tentatively called "Mizunoe") and become the first Devil Archmage　（The quirk? he became a ramen-freak like Naruto :heh:).
Secretly it's an association for people who love butts

[kusabireika]

@Ariel_Saeba: w0w uhm so it's kinda opposite of Issei who Dragon Lord, Vali is kinda Demon Lord of sort. ^^ :nod:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-3_zpseexvqlom.gif

[Ariel_Saeba]

@kusa, well, to put it short, both Ise and Vali are technically on par with the Satans as far as their importance and rank goes (albeit with different names).

[Hakai]

Well Vali is the last blood of Lucifer so it's nice to see him becoming someone important to the underworld

[Ariel_Saeba]

@Carrot plus, he is the Indiana Jones/Nathan Drake type :D (I am even hyped if he is the "a girl in every port" type :heh:)

[kusabireika]

@Ariel_Saeba: what I meant was that Issei transcend into becoming to a Crimson Red Dragon Sekiryuutei "The Royal King due to his CCQ/CCFD and DxD chant"while Vali his rival transcended into becoming to the Silver White Devil Hakuryuukou "The Tyrant King due to his EJOD chant", the strongest of the current host Two Heavenly Dragons in the history imho. ^^ :nod:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-25_zpsujtdmrrq.gif

[Ariel_Saeba]

For Vali, his character development in vol 21 will be the key to understand the quirk mentioned here.

Wait, their original title is not enough for you?

[Hakai]

I really hope Vali got popular in the underworld and other factions as the Ketsuryuuko/Butt Dragon(Will require some trolling from Azazel, Sensei I'm counting on you)

[Ariel_Saeba]

Confirmed: GASPER IS ALUCARD!

[DragoMuseveni]

So gasper became a dxd version of alucard . Now that i must see it :))

[Hakai]

The only Alucard I know is the one from Rosario+Vamp(that guy was awesome)
so I'll wait for the summary to find out what kind of Gasper you guys are talking about :heh:

[Chichiryuushintei]

It's more likely they are referring to the protagonist of Hellsing Ultimate.

Honestly, as cool as Alucard is, I don't like Gasper turning out like him. They are complete opposites, like black and white.

[Hakai]

I really hope he still has some of that cross dressing Hikikomori inside him somewhere

I'm all for him becoming cool/badass but not someone who's just Gasper in name and does not have any of his previous traits

[Ariel_Saeba]

Now part 2: The Mighty Vampire Appears

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=5739706&postcount=1267

[Hakai]

The first six months when I became his apprentice I was ordered to wash the dish everyday.

fuck
http://i.imgur.com/cEuedMe.gif

Whatever made him love ramen that much
It's good to know he's still a dick

[Ariel_Saeba]

Oh and for the Alucard reference, I mean both Rosario+Vampire and Helsing.

[B214]

So battle and ramen became the same thing for Vali in the future.....i wonder why he didn't open a Hakuryuukou ramen shop instead.

[DragoMuseveni]

Maybe ramen gives him the power up he needs :)

[Direwolf18]

@Direwolf: 30 years, Dire, 30 whole years. It's enough time.

Edit: Posted at the same time as Saeba, apparently. :heh:

So you're saying Ex does love big breasts, but is just the type for guilty pleasure?

30 years for a being that is going to live ten thousand? That's a fraction of a percent. Hell that is an early retirement for a human. Most people do not get to retire at 52. I personally expect to work to 65.

[Chichiryuushintei]

So Gasper just went 180°. No more cross dressing or the awkwardness that made him likeable.

And once again it's stated Ise didn't have a role in raising the children. Curious to know how some people will still deny that he sucks as a father.

[Direwolf18]

I am glad Gasper grew up and acts like a guy now, but that's me.

And yea I have not seen anything personally that makes me think Isse isn't a terrible father. That being said most of the really scathing reviews of his parenting ability (being there) is from his son.

If it's a matter of him being stuck on the front lines fighting and defending the underworld, I can put him in the soldier column and that's one thing. It seems like it's purely for his own career. But I will need to see more.

Plus something could be lost in a summarized translation.

[Hakai]

And once again it's stated Ise didn't have a role in raising the children. Curious to know how some people will still deny that he sucks as a father.

Because people change

Some morning they just wake up and realize that signing autographs is more important than raising their dozen+ kids

That's reality, it's been like 30 years Jesus

[Ariel_Saeba]

Plus something could be lost in a summarized translation.

Umm, actually it's not really a summary per se, but a full translation (more like a draft) :D. I decided to pull it off like this since it will take more time to summarize rather than go all out, and digital OCR is not that accurate that can result to many info lost).

[DragonOsman]

We need an explanation about how and why Ise changed, though, and also about why he's so busy that he can't spend enough time with his kids. But yeah, the only kid of his who seems to have a problem is Ex. That's something to think about.

Anyway, I'll read the new translated summary and then comment. I also have to read Rakudai right now.

[Chichiryuushintei]

I am glad Gasper grew up and acts like a guy now, but that's me.

I wouldn't mind if it was just a slight change, but this is basically a different person who happens to be named Gasper. There's really nothing that can be connected to current Gasper, which defeats the purpose of his future self appearing.

And what do you mean "acts like a guy now". Gasper has been a true man since v10.

[DOmus]

IT would have been nice if he presented himself as Gasper Tepes, but I guess with the time his family name came to have more value. Regarding Vali, that was a fin thing to know.

[Direwolf18]

Umm, actually it's not really a summary per se, but a full translation (more like a draft) :D. I decided to pull it off like this since it will take more time to summarize rather than go all out, and digital OCR is not that accurate that can result to many info lost).

My mistake Ariel.

Sorry about that.

[Ariel_Saeba]

Now, reality ensues, folks: The sibling team is not the only one sent back as Gasper indicates there are other squad as well (which I think is the children of the other characters).

EDIT: There seem to be a mistake in chapter 3 (it's in me, though). Azazel mentions here that Lord Renzo, the first major [UL] that Airi cs. defeated, is a member of the Collective Seven Magnificent Hunters, not the Invade Fanatics.

[Chichiryuushintei]

And yet, instead of taking action to do something, the current Gods do nothing. Seriously, it's like Azazel is the only competent guy aside from some outliers.

[DragonOsman]

Azazel is trying to keep most of the information about this whole thing a secret from the other Factions, though. It was mentioned in the first part of 4th chapter that Saeba translated. It said he wants to have this all taken care of before the people from the other Factions notice.

Anyway, I'm actually fine with how Gasper turned out, although it'd have been fine if some of his older traits had also remained.

[Direwolf18]

As excited as I am about all the kids, even if Isse is a... Disappointing parent... Finding out about kids of say Saji or Kiba would make my day.

With Kiba in particular I like the idea that there is a separate harem going on outside the main charachters harem.

[DragonOsman]

On the point of Ise, I think we need more information. I'll wait.

I agree with you about Kiba, though.

[Ariel_Saeba]

@chichi doubles as a spoiler: Azazel has exercised precaution that in case the conflict gets awry, he will contact Sirzechs and the others to devise plans, so it's not like they are not competent, but rather it's Azazel keeps them in the dark. Also, Gasper says that he and his companions work with future Ajuka (Ajuka himself keeps observing the world lines in case things get ugly) and it's possible that Gasper and Ajuka create a distortion so that the gods of time cannot notice their presence)

[Hokoga]

I'd lmao if the sibling have a little blond sister with a mole under her eye. (adorable little Yumi Hyoudou)

[DragonOsman]

Who is Yumi? Which girl's kid? Or is it a prediction?

[Ariel_Saeba]

@Osman he's trolling about Kiba's gender blender because Yumi's Moe level is too damn high :heh:

[DragonOsman]

Who is Yumi, anyway? Girl version of present-day Gasper?

[Hakai]

The existence of Yumi was very cruel of Ishibumi
Both to Issei and us


Who is Yumi, anyway? Girl version of present-day Gasper?

https://40.media.tumblr.com/fed4bd8a74521c641ed0e3f9b7471acc/tumblr_np6hyq3ox11r2gyilo1_500.png

[DragonOsman]

So it's Gender-Bend Kiba? I get it now. Thanks. And yeah, "her" existence truly was cruel of Ishibumi.

[Chichiryuushintei]

@Ariel: Thanks for clarifying, and this is better than nothing, but I still think it's too risky considering there are 4 Trimurti-tier enemies roaming free out there. That's more serious than everything we had in the main series (without v20-21) combined.

@EDIT: As funny as Yumi having a child would be, I think it's unlikely.

[OmegaWeaponZ]

As excited as I am about all the kids, even if Isse is a... Disappointing parent... Finding out about kids of say Saji or Kiba would make my day.

With Kiba in particular I like the idea that there is a separate harem going on outside the main charachters harem.

Agreed, that would be nice. Also, Saiji has a possible harem last time I checked.

@EDIT: As funny as Yumi having a child would be, I think it's unlikely.

Unless he decides to go the Loki route for Kiba ... :heh:

Oh god, please no ...

[Hokoga]

@EDIT: As funny as Yumi having a child would be, I think it's unlikely.Yeah it is really unlikely but it could have stood as a testament to how perverted future Issei truly is. Tha~ That sukebe!, even his handsome male best friend wasn't off limits! :mad::heh:

[DragonOsman]

Well, Ise's kids did say that he'd become even more perverted in the future. It's apparently to the point where his wives have to keep him on a tight leash so he doesn't add more women to his harem.

I just hope that that increased perverseness doesn't make him go for even Yumi, though.

[Ariel_Saeba]

Phoenix fans, rejoice! Tina have four hair drills instead of two, which Azazel finds hilarious :D

[Hakai]

Phoenix fans, rejoice! Tina have four hair drills instead of two, which Azazel finds hilarious :D

:heh: :heh:
Four f'king drills! Jesus

I love her already

[B214]

So the drills doubled with generations, i guess Ise's granddaughter will have 8 drills then. :heh:

[Biohazardous]

@chichi doubles as a spoiler: Azazel has exercised precaution that in case the conflict gets awry, he will contact Sirzechs and the others to devise plans, so it's not like they are not competent, but rather it's Azazel keeps them in the dark. Also, Gasper says that he and his companions work with future Ajuka (Ajuka himself keeps observing the world lines in case things get ugly) and it's possible that Gasper and Ajuka create a distortion so that the gods of time cannot notice their presence)

Very possible was stated Gasper has complete control of time.

I want to learn more about Gasper and Ise.

[Hakai]

So the drills doubled with generations, i guess Ise's granddaughter will have 8 drills then. :heh:

http://bit.do/bGNno

[Ariel_Saeba]

Plus, Helmwige uses a Valkyrie armor in Ise's Scale Mail form, and there's another son is hinted to be a magic user.

EDIT: The son's hint is vague, but he is hinted to be born in the original LN timeline but doesn't seem to be exist in the changed timeline.

[Ariel_Saeba]

@Carrot she haven't shown her skills yet, also, check my edit.

EDIT EDIT: Tina confirms that the son is Le Fay's son. My bad :D

[Hakai]

@Carrot she haven't shown her skills yet, also, check my edit.

Yeah I saw the edit :heh:
lots of things changed by the time I finished posting :heh:

EDIT EDIT: Tina confirms that the son is Le Fay's son. My bad :D

:heh: :heh: :heh:
I'll wait 10 mins before commenting on your post from now on
Jk :D

[DragonOsman]

Can you imagine how it'd be with sixteen drills? Because I can't.

Anyway, yeah, it's funny and interesting at the same time that she has four drills instead of just two.

Edit: Didn't see the other posts.

It's great that Le Fay is confirmed to have had Ise's kid, too. And the part about Helmwige having Valkyrie armor modeled after the Sekiryuutei armor (if that's what it is - is it?).

[Chichiryuushintei]

I can't even imagine four drills properly.

But yeah, Ise's great-grand-daughter probably would give Simon a run for his money.

jk

[Ariel_Saeba]

Now part 3: The Raunchy Hyoudou-Gremory Family :heh:

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=5739706&postcount=1267

[Chichiryuushintei]

So there's a kid who's even brattier than Ichs. Yay.

[Ariel_Saeba]

So there's a kid who's even brattier than Ichs. Yay.

While he also has the skills to back it up (he has a natural talent and can choose to be Collbrande's wielder, in addition to magic), yeah, a brattier kid than Ex is a pleasant welcome :D.

[Hakai]

Tina is without a doubt my favorite now

Even without counting my personal bias towards her for being Ravel's daughter

Her speech, politeness and that little rude side plus the four frikkin drills, just perfect

also
Rather than choose the Holy King Sword Collbrande, that boy chooses to be a wizard instead. It’s such a waste of his talent!
Wtf kid :/
Even Tina-chan thinks it's stupid

Thanks for crushing my dreams of a Dragon Powered sword wielder from Arthur's blood

Hopefully Le Fay has another kid who's less stupid

[DragonOsman]

How old are Ex, Shin and Zen, again? Robertina or Helmwige is as old as them, while the other is as old as Ex. I need a quick reminder.

Anyway, yeah, this is interesting. And Gasper still at least has a meek side, apparently. That seems to be one of his older traits showing through, I think.

And who is the kid who would be born in the original timeline (and will Ise's other kids be born even if the future were to change? Is that what she meant (was it Robertina who said it?))? He's skilled in magic and could also have used Collbrande, so I'm curious. Is he Le Fay's son?

Edit: I agree about Le Fay's kid. It'd have been better if he'd agreed to use Collbrande. Being a magical swordsman would've been great.

[DOmus]

So the new kid is from Le Fay? That's nice.

[sayf82]

I can't even imagine four drills properly.

But yeah, Ise's great-grand-daughter probably would give Simon a run for his money.

jk

yeah then imagine no more with this much http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/typemoon/images/0/06/FateKaleidLinerLuviaEdelfelt.png/revision/latest?cb=20130524073133

[Ariel_Saeba]

@Osman here:

Himejima Kurenai, 17-18 years old son with Akeno. Power: Holy Lightning, Sacred Beast (more like the primordial imperial Chinese form instead of Japanese). Azazel's successor as a Grigori researcher. Trained personally by Baraqiel and Akeno herself.

Hyoudou Airi, 17-18 years old daughter with Asia. Power: Nature Manipulation, Summoning Magic, Dragon Tamer, Hand-to-Hand Combat. Equipment: Artificial Sacred Gear "Gigantis Maiden Robe". Second-in-command of the siblings. Heavily implied to be trained directly under Sairaorg as well as Asia.

Zen Quarta, 16-17 years old son with Xenovia. Power: Master Swordsman. Gunslinger (a rare DxD example). Equipment: Durandal IV Gunblade. Trained by both Kiba and Xenovia.

Shidou Shin, 16-17 years old son with Irina. Power: Holy Spells, Master Swordsman. Equipment: Holy Book, Two Spirit Uchigatanas, Kashuu Kiyomori and Yamatonokami Yasusada. A rare case of Angel-Dragon Hybrid. Possibly trained by Kiba and Irina.

Helmwige, 16-17 years old daughter with Rossweisse. Power: Norse Magic. Wears Valkyrie armor similar to Boosted Gear Scale Mail in design.

Hyoudou Robertina, 15-16 old daughter with Ravel. Power: Phoenix power of regeneration and pyrokinesis. Has a bit bratty personality due to her mother's ojou origin.

[insert name here] Pendragon, Unknown Son with Le Fay.Power: Master Swordsman, Expert Wizard. Originally born in the LN timeline, but was retconned in the alternate future. Didn't choose Collbrande even though he is capable of wielding it.

Ix Gremory, 15-16 years old son with Rias. Dubbed the "Sekiryuutei Crown Prince" Power: Power of Destruction, Master Swordsman, Dragon Power. Equipment: Galatine/Gawain III, Boosted Gear Diabolos. Trained by Rias, Vali, and Kiba.

Shiroyuki, 12-13 years old daughter with Koneko/Shirone. Power: Nekomata Powers of Senjutsu and Youjutsu, still in training with her mother.

Kurobara, 12-13 years old daughter with Kuroka. Power: Nekomata Powers of Senjutsu and Youjutsu, still in training with her mother.[/LIST]

[Biohazardous]

I can't even imagine four drills properly.

But yeah, Ise's great-grand-daughter probably would give Simon a run for his money.

jk

Who do you think he is?

[Chichiryuushintei]

While he also has the skills to back it up (he has a natural talent and can choose to be Collbrande's wielder, in addition to magic), yeah, a brattier kid than Ex is a pleasant welcome :D.That was sarcasm. Bratty kids are annoying as hell if they don't have redeeming qualities, and Ichs up to now has none, and the other kid has even less.

Tina is without a doubt my favorite now

Even without counting my personal bias towards her for being Ravel's daughter

Her speech, politeness and that little rude side plus the four frikkin drills, just perfect

also

Wtf kid :/
Even Tina-chan thinks it's stupid

Thanks for crushing my dreams of a Dragon Powered sword wielder from Arthur's blood

Hopefully Le Fay has another kid who's less stupidThat was actually something I liked. He doesn't care about what other people want him to use, he fights in his own way. That's something I tip my hat to.

yeah then imagine no more with this much http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/typemoon/images/0/06/FateKaleidLinerLuviaEdelfelt.png/revision/latest?cb=20130524073133
Oh, thanks. But yeah, that amount is kinda ridiculous. XD

[DragonOsman]

If he can use Collbrande, it's a waste not to. Robertina's right about that (she's the one who said it, right?). Why not just use both magic and a sword? Him being a magical swordsman, using magic and Collbrande in combination attacks, would be great.

@Saeba: Thanks.

And that makes 10 kids we know about so far by name, each with one of the girls. That leaves Kunou's kid, if she had one. And I'm thinking some of them had more than one kid, since Ise's harem has only these 11 girls (the ones whose kids we've seen or heard of up until now, plus Kunou). Future Ise has a total of 20 kids, but only only 11 wives, so he has to have more than one kid with some of them.

[DOmus]

There is a chance that one his kids comes from Elmenhide, I have faith in that :c

[Chichiryuushintei]

If he can use Collbrande, it's a waste not to. Robertina's right about that (she's the one who said it, right?). Why not just use both magic and a sword? Him being a magical swordsman, using magic and Collbrande in combination attacks, would be great.

Because he clearly doesn't want to be a swordsman. He has no obligation of being one. Deal with it.

@DOmus: Eh, I'm indifferent towards Elmen. She was a bitch. But if she gets together with Ise and Abe isn't even mentioned I'm gonna flip some tables. :frustrated::upset::frustrated::upset:

[amtro]

It's like with super saiyans. Helmwige was born after Issei gained multiple sets of wings, so she inherits that trait too, only with drills.

[Hakai]

I'd love some Elmenhide as well as it'd be satisfying to see her end up as Issei's woman after all those shit talks

but Ex said all of the mothers are supposed to be big breasted :(

[Biohazardous]

I'll flip them with you cus I didn't like her. I loved what Bennia did to her.

[Ariel_Saeba]

@amtro, The hair drills are Robertina's, not Helmwige. But, yeah, it can reflect the parents growth. :D

@While you guys are debating over Elmenhilde, the crew goes to Kyoto (Kunou and Slash/Dog Spoiler, unless you read volume 19).

[Hakai]

The multiplication of drills is influence of
Boosto

[DragonOsman]

Who is Elmenhide again?

I don't think Abe has a chance unless she notices that Ise has a harem that Rias allows and then asks permission to join. Last time, she gave up on Ise because he already had Rias, since she didn't know about the Harem King part.

[Chichiryuushintei]

The vampire bitch from v14/16.

[DragonOsman]

Oh, her. The one who visited the Occult Research Club's room at the academy to let them know about the Khaos Brigade targeting the vampires, but then saying she doesn't want them getting involved. Right?

[The 48th Ronin]

Four drills? That's sound weird.

[Hokoga]

@DOmus: Eh, I'm indifferent towards Elmen. She was a bitch. But if she gets together with Ise and Abe isn't even mentioned I'm gonna flip some tables. :frustrated::upset::frustrated::upset:I know exactly what you mean.:upset:

[DragonOsman]

I agree with you two. But I don't think Elmenhilde or Abe is going to join Ise's harem. Abe already lost her chance and Ise wouldn't wouldn't want Elmenhilde in the first place (hopefully).

[B214]

I agree with you two. But I don't think Elmenhilde or Abe is going to join Ise's harem. Abe already lost her chance and Ise wouldn't wouldn't want Elmenhilde in the first place (hopefully).

I wouldn't be so sure on Abe yet. Ishibumi seemed to have plan another SS for her. Though not sure whether he'll end up doing it or not

[cyberdemon]

Well, Ise's kids did say that he'd become even more perverted in the future. It's apparently to the point where his wives have to keep him on a tight leash so he doesn't add more women to his harem.

I just hope that that increased perverseness doesn't make him go for even Yumi, though.

and this is precisely the reason Ise isn't a good father. They keep him so busy and on a such tight leash so that he can't add more to the harem that he can't spend time with his children. Ravel as his manager must have it tough since she has to travel with him the most and likely gets the most out of all the girls lol.

As for Ex, I'm betting he is the one who spent the most time with Issei and looked up to him the most out of all the kids. He's mostly bitter because he isn't spending as much time as he used to. Basically he is like Boruto was Naruto. Which is funny when it seems VALI of all people inherited Naruto's love of ramen lol

[Chichiryuushintei]

Doubt it. It was said in this chapter that Ise had next to no role in raising the kids, which is why they are so serious.

[Chaos-Zero]

@Osman here:

Himejima Kurenai, 17-18 years old son with Akeno. Power: Holy Lightning, Sacred Beast (more like the primordial imperial Chinese form instead of Japanese). Azazel's successor as a Grigori researcher. Trained personally by Baraqiel and Akeno herself.

Hyoudou Airi, 17-18 years old daughter with Asia. Power: Nature Manipulation, Summoning Magic, Dragon Tamer, Hand-to-Hand Combat. Equipment: Artificial Sacred Gear "Gigantis Maiden Robe". Second-in-command of the siblings. Heavily implied to be trained directly under Sairaorg as well as Asia.

Zen Quarta, 16-17 years old son with Xenovia. Power: Master Swordsman. Gunslinger (a rare DxD example). Equipment: Durandal IV Gunblade. Trained by both Kiba and Xenovia.

Shidou Shin, 16-17 years old son with Irina. Power: Holy Spells, Master Swordsman. Equipment: Holy Book, Two Spirit Uchigatanas, Kashuu Kiyomori and Yamatonokami Yasusada. A rare case of Angel-Dragon Hybrid. Possibly trained by Kiba and Irina.

Helmwige, 16-17 years old daughter with Rossweisse. Power: Norse Magic. Wears Valkyrie armor similar to Boosted Gear Scale Mail in design.

Hyoudou Robertina, 15-16 old daughter with Ravel. Power: Phoenix power of regeneration and pyrokinesis. Has a bit bratty personality due to her mother's ojou origin.

[insert name here] Pendragon, Unknown Son with Le Fay.Power: Master Swordsman, Expert Wizard. Originally born in the LN timeline, but was retconned in the alternate future. Didn't choose Collbrande even though he is capable of wielding it.

Ix Gremory, 15-16 years old son with Rias. Dubbed the "Sekiryuutei Crown Prince" Power: Power of Destruction, Master Swordsman, Dragon Power. Equipment: Galatine/Gawain III, Boosted Gear Diabolos. Trained by Rias, Vali, and Kiba.

Shiroyuki, 12-13 years old daughter with Koneko/Shirone. Power: Nekomata Powers of Senjutsu and Youjutsu, still in training with her mother.

Kurobara, 12-13 years old daughter with Kuroka. Power: Nekomata Powers of Senjutsu and Youjutsu, still in training with her mother.[/LIST]


Whoa. Issei got a lot of kids with his harem in the future. I don't understand why Issei become a disappointing parent? I mean, not only do he love his harem, but he good with children.

[ady623]

Not only is Ise a shitty dad but he left his children with a huge stamp on their foreheads that read's "child of a pervert" so its no wonder there all so serious they wanna get that of them as fast as they can.

Except for Tina she seems pretty proud of Ise.

Also when Ex was talking to Azazel about Kiba and Vali he mentioned two other any ideas on who the were or do you think they have yet to be seen in the series.

“However, in the war, he fought with the two others...”

They would have become important main manpower in the future.


Also what did Gasper mean by One of Ise's attendants is he a servant a subordinate just a babysitter and who else became his attendant since Gasper said "One of his"

[cyberdemon]

Not only is Ise a shitty dad but he left his children with a huge stamp on their foreheads that read's "child of a pervert" so its no wonder there all so serious they wanna get that of them as fast as they can.

Except for Tina she seems pretty proud of Ise.

Also when Ex was talking to Azazel about Kiba and Vali he mentioned two other any ideas on who the were or do you think they have yet to be seen in the series.



Also what did Gasper mean by One of Ise's attendants is he a servant a subordinate just a babysitter and who else became his attendant since Gasper said "One of his"

Gasper is the servant of Rias which means he would also serve Issei when he marries Rias

[Chaos-Zero]

Man, Loki did mess up a lot of things in the future. Now it would be similar of Future Trunks' timeline. I just hope in the DxD main timeline, Issei and his harem will have a good future. Not like this timeline on EX.

[Ariel_Saeba]

＠Ｚｅｒｏ The primary reason of Ise being called a shitty dad is that he seldom to never really have quality time with his family due to his work. Also, Le Fay's son is only born in the LN timeline, along with other gizmos. So yeah, the mission gives more personal touch with all of the family members rather than just another "save the world" job because there's more at stake.
@ady The people mentioned by Ex and Azazel are Ise, Vali, and Kiba. They are the strongest of their generation in the future, thus becoming some kind of the VIP vanguards of the Alliance in the Evil God War.

As for Gasper being Ise's attendant, it is more in the line of advisers and aides rather than like, say, a butler and may or may not in the peerage. Ise has Kiba and Gasper, while Vali has Bikou and possibly the older Arthur.

[ady623]

Okay i get it now thanks for the correction and translation

[kizrock94]

Wait, if Le Fay's son was born in the LN timeline, does that mean the other children weren't?

[kizrock94]

I'm also wondering if Ophis is also part of his future harem

[Hokoga]

@^^ So his kids are trying to fix the timeline back to the one where they don't exist? !areyoukiddingme!

[kizrock94]

@^^ So his kids are trying to fix the timeline back to the one where they don't exist? !areyoukiddingme!

Yeah, that's what I don't get though. Kinda confusing
Like they're trying to fix it where Le Fey's son is going exist in their timeline too....So what's the deal exactly?

[Ariel_Saeba]

@Hokoga It's not like that (time travel plots have many holes, and explaining them is always a pain in the ass). The aim in this plot is to merge the branched future time axis to go back to the true/original timeline (or the timeline that the authors originally meant), and they're all from the original TL. The children sent are also exist in the alternate timeline caused by BorN. On the other hand, Helmwige has said that Le Fay's son only exist in the original LN timeline, which to us, translates that in the alternate TL Ise never gets past second base with Le Fay.

[Jedsada]

base on my understanding. it's similar to Doraemon.

originally, Nobita will marry Gōda Takeshi's sister, go bankrupt and make his descendants (Sewashi's family) live in poverty. after Doraemon's intervention, He now will marry Shizuka, have a good job that benefit his grandson family in the future.

well, if they succeed this mission, it might effect the future and Issei could get more time with family instead of going around to save the world.

[amtro]

Put simply, the 10 children introduced thus far all exist in the BorN timeline, however Le Fay's son does not.
I wonder which ones of the other 10 underaged children we probably won't see also exist.

[kizrock94]

So do the children sent back also exist in the LN timeline? (My head is about to explode with these time travel mumbo jumbo)

[amtro]

It's very simple to understand. The ones sent back exist in the main timeline and the timeline of BorN, thus they are able to exist in the timeline of BorN. Le Fay's son does not, he exists in only one known timeline.

[Ariel_Saeba]

@amtro it's still a mystery, but I bet we won't find it out even in EX.
@kiz the kids sent back are the ones from the original LN timeline, of course, since the main problem is the parallel time axis (and in turn, parallel world) created after the events of BorN.

[Hokoga]

See this is what I mean, that abomination season 3 called BorN caused way too many tragedies! :upset::frustrated:

[Chichiryuushintei]

They are in the LN timeline, not BorN's.

[kusabireika]

@Chichiryuushintei: yup but I think Hokoga meant if BorN didn't exist probably Issei's child on Le Fay exist am I wrong on my speculation. ^^? :nod:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-26_zps2ewzowss.gif

[Chichiryuushintei]

BorN is not the cause, it's an effect. In an earlier part BorN was just used as an example of the multiple timelines thing that's going on because Loki traveled back in time. Let Fay's kid still exists in their timeline.

[Ariel_Saeba]

@kusa actually it's the opposite. BorN caused our bratty Pendragon not exist, not vice versa. Also, Galvaldan greeted Gasper by the name of "Gasper Balor", JSYK.

[Hokoga]

@Chichiryuushintei: yup but I think Hokoga meant if BorN didn't exist probably Issei's child on Le Fay didn't exist am I wrong on my speculation. ^^? :nod:What Ariel said
BorN is not the cause, it's an effect. In an earlier part BorN was just used as an example of the multiple timelines thing that's going on because Loki traveled back in time. Let Fay's kid still exists in their timeline.Oh Chichi, always sticking up for BorN :heh:(Truth be told I actually expected you to reply in BorN's defense.)

[LowCholesterol]

Le Fay have a child with Ise? any info about which sword he picked?

[kusabireika]

@Hokoga: I meant Exist. =_= :T_T:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-29_zpsk0s4vid9.gif

@Ariel_Saeba: I see, hmm I wondered if my beloved Adult Gasper crossdress when he is at home during free time "Alucard wearing a dress" is kinda dreamy for me........ [fainted due to loss of blood]. ^^ :blush:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-31_zpshehggse4.gif

@LowCholesterol: he choose being wizard than inheriting Arthur Sword which is very compatible to him if I remember correctly. ^^? :nod:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-28_zpsl5ixxzqp.gif

[Ariel_Saeba]

Now part 4: Battle in Kyoto!

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=5739706&postcount=1267

[LowCholesterol]

hmm, i see. Arthur onii-chan is sad, you know, Le-Fay...

[Hakai]

Drill baby driiiiiilllll!”
I can't take this guy seriously :heh:

Nice to have confirmation of Gasper's strength, not that we already didn't know
He's above even Ex and Airi, probably on the same level as original Balor(Just my speculation)


Tina was badass in this chapter
Although I was hoping for a Dragon shaped wing of fire but she's awesome so it doesn't matter :D


hmm, i see. Arthur onii-chan is sad, you know, Le-Fay...

He isn't the only one sad :(

I hope this brat gets his ass kicked by a swordsman someday :p

[Chichiryuushintei]

What Ariel said
Oh Chichi, always sticking up for BorN :heh:(Truth be told I actually expected you to reply in BorN's defense.)

Hey, at least I admit it's bad, even if I enjoyed it.

[amtro]

@^^ So his kids are trying to fix the timeline back to the one where they don't exist? !areyoukiddingme!

Yeah, that's what I don't get though. Kinda confusing
Like they're trying to fix it where Le Fey's son is going exist in their timeline too....So what's the deal exactly?

They are in the LN timeline, not BorN's.

BorN is not the cause, it's an effect. In an earlier part BorN was just used as an example of the multiple timelines thing that's going on because Loki traveled back in time. Let Fay's kid still exists in their timeline.

No, they're in BorN's timeline, that's where EX takes place. And it was said that Le Fay's son could not come because he was from the original timeline and maybe after they fix the timelines some more he would. While the children are fighting the ULs and evil gods there are other people working behind the scene to restore the timeline to what it was originally meant to be.

[Hakai]

As always, time travel related plots do bad things to my brain :eyespin:

[Ariel_Saeba]

No, they're in BorN's timeline, that's where EX takes place. And it was said that Le Fay's son could not come because he was from the original timeline and maybe after they fix the timelines some more he would. While the children are fighting the ULs and evil gods there are other people working behind the scene to restore the timeline to what it was originally meant to be.

Very much summarizes the time traveling confusion, IMO.

Also, the one in charge of watching (and possibly) restoring the time stream is Ajuka, with Gasper helping him when our vampire is not fighting.

I find it a bit out of context that the [UL] also targets the Five Great Houses since their relevance in the main story is abysmal (excluding the Slash/Dog reference and Azazel and Gasper's mention that they have their representative in the Alliance).

EDIT: @Carrot there are some indication that Gasper does not need to change his form anymore when he uses Balor's power, so yeah, his growth has been that far.

[Chichiryuushintei]

No, they're in BorN's timeline, that's where EX takes place. And it was said that Le Fay's son could not come because he was from the original timeline and maybe after they fix the timelines some more he would. While the children are fighting the ULs and evil gods there are other people working behind the scene to restore the timeline to what it was originally meant to be.
No, they are not. Azazel knew who Chichigami was, so they're in the original timeline.

[Ariel_Saeba]

@Chichi now that mention it, yeah. I forget that. (The risk of parallel universe plot :heh:.

EDIT: as for Le Fay's son name, I vote for two: Gawain (for obvious reasons) and Merlin (since he is a wizard)

[Hakai]

So, should we expect the future to remain unchanged?

I don't like such bad endings for Sirzechs and Azazel, those two are my favorite characters

Although I hope something could be done on how much Issei sucks as a father Ishibumi seems to be treating it as normal/Natural so things will probably end up like that anyway

[Biohazardous]

It does suck that Gasper is a new person sheesh. We need to see something of the Gasper we love. Even if its just that he sleeps in a cardboard box just because.

Yea I hope Ise is a better father when its fixed. I also like Azazel but, I am ok with him dying if someone has to die. I'll miss his shenanigans though.

[Chichiryuushintei]

Honestly, I hope there's some kind of afterword after this is over. Doesn't matter if it comes with part 6 or Ishi posts in his blog, but it'd be nice to have some stuff made clear.

Azazel dying, as much as it sucks, is something I'm okay-ish with because he's the mentor figure in a shonen-like story and all that. But the least Ishi can do is give him a proper death scene. Just going "BTW, he died against some random villain 30 years from now." is just outright disrespectful to the character.

[Biohazardous]

We can hope he does Chich. I say its possible since he is doing it like a novel just in parts.

[Variabug]

No, they're in BorN's timeline, that's where EX takes place. And it was said that Le Fay's son could not come because he was from the original timeline and maybe after they fix the timelines some more he would. While the children are fighting the ULs and evil gods there are other people working behind the scene to restore the timeline to what it was originally meant to be.

Actually, they're in the LN timeline as in the 1st part Azazel mentions Issei meeting Chichigami, the Born timeline is mentioned as one of the new "world lines" created by the UL's interference. At the moment the future hasn't been affected by the timeline split and the children are attempting to prevent damage. Also, is stated that 10 siblings from the future came, Pendragon as I'll call him is the 10th sibling in the past, he just hasn't appeared with Azazel yet.

Anyway, looks like Kunou is confirmed to be a harem member (did you really have any doubt?) she just doesn't have a child who can fight.

[Chichiryuushintei]

It was said that there were as many non-fighter children as there are fighters (some because of age, but I think it was also implied some just choose not to, which I appreciate if true) after all.

[Hakai]

Kyuubi+Dragon holy shit
This kid is going to look majestic when in transformed state

[Variabug]

It was also stated that some children weren't old enough to fight, so they weren't allowed to go in the past.

[charasu]

@Chichi now that mention it, yeah. I forget that. (The risk of parallel universe plot :heh:.

EDIT: as for Le Fay's son name, I vote for two: Gawain (for obvious reasons) and Merlin (since he is a wizard)

how about Mordred:confused:

[DragonOsman]

@Cake (about Kyuubi+Dragon kid): Yep. But if one of those kids chooses to not fight, then that one might either not have inherited much power from one of the sides of his/her family, or he/she just dislikes fighting despite being strong. I want to know which it is.

And yeah, EX is in the original timeline. I remember reading that in one of the earlier parts of EX (or was it just in the information that was released pertaining to EX?). All of the kids whose names we know will still exist no matter what timeline it is, but the one with Le Fay who is compatible with Collbrande but chooses not to use it only exists in the original timeline. They need to fix the time-axis to make sure that that child of Ise's can still exist, among other things.

I just hope that the future also changes a bit to make sure that Ise gets to spend time with this children despite being busy. He should be a good father rather than a bad one, as it doesn't make sense for him to be a bad father considering how much he likes/cares about children (no pedo, though, I hope :heh:).

Edit: Two posts late.

@Variabug: That makes sense.

[Hakai]

how about Mordred:confused:
How about the fagt who picked wand over Collbrande

I kid
@Cake (about Kyuubi+Dragon kid): Yep. But if one of those kids chooses to not fight, then that one might either not have inherited much power from one of the sides of his/her family, or he/she just dislikes fighting despite being strong. I want to know which it is.
Not inheriting power seems very unlikely tbh, at least for Kunou's kid since he/she would be getting special genes from both sides

Each of the kid to appear so far are not only strong they seem almost overpowererd

The not-fighter ones probably don't like fighting or just too young

[B214]

I just hope that the future also changes a bit to make sure that Ise gets to spend time with this children despite being busy. He should be a good father rather than a bad one, as it doesn't make sense for him to be a bad father considering how much he likes/cares about children

Having good relation with kids is different from taking care of kids though. And we still don't know Ise's side of the story, we know he has a busy schedule but i believe he should at least have sufficient amount of off time too, he's not a machine after all. Either he's spending more time with his wives over his kids or he's just keeping his free time for himself. At this case, i'm guessing the latter. Ise probably can't keep up with his job & family at the same time and is using his free time completely as his personal time.

[Hakai]

Either he's spending more time with his wives over his kids
It was said he could 'hardly' meet his wives, however you want to interpret it
or he's just keeping his free time for himself. At this case, i'm guessing the latter. Ise probably can't keep up with his job & family at the same time and is using his free time completely as his personal time.
To himself? Doing what?
He has 10+ loving wives and and 20+ beautiful children, what could be better than some quality time with the wonderful colossal family he has

That'd make him more of an ass to me

I'd much rather have him being too busy

But even that doesn't make sense, Vali and Kiba both are pretty important figures as well yet they can spend enough time with Issei's kids, to the point his kids like them more than their own father

[Biohazardous]

I'm with Cake.

[Ariel_Saeba]

Man, I really love this line:

“If there is someone who can move in this time-frozen world of mine, it would be only those who have my permission, Gods and transcendental beings, the new generation Satans, and those who are equal to the Two Heavenly Dragons.”

[Chichiryuushintei]

So, basically the same as in v4, except that now he can give permission to weaker people. That's kinda neat.

[Hakai]

So new generation Satans can without permission?

They must be quite strong

[Ariel_Saeba]

Ah... I can take a deep breath now that the real thing about Ex's angst becomes clear...

[DOmus]

Was Balor ever mentioned in this story, I guess that at some point they fused, causing Gasper to look and act like that.

[Ariel_Saeba]

@D0mus yeah, Galvaldan called Gasper "Gasper Balor" and yes, Gasper can still maintain his humanoid form when using Balor's power, an obvious clue that they have fused.

[DragonOsman]

@Cake (last post on last page): Correction: Ise has around 20 kids, not 20+. I'm interpreting it as him having exactly 20, for now. And the number of wives is likely 11, unless Abe is added (if not, then adding in Le Fay and Kunou makes 11). But even if we count Abe, the number of wives still only goes up to 12. Saying "10+" makes it sound as though he has much more than 10 wives, when it's only one or two more.

I agree with you about Ise's schedule, though. If Kiba and Vali are just as important as him in the future, and yet they can spend enough time with his kids that they like and are influenced by them more than their own father, then we have a huge problem.

But let's not forget: Airi, Kurenai, Zen, Robertina, and some of the other kids aside from Ex are actually pretty fond of Ise. Airi even turned out just like him. So he was able to at least spend enough time with them that they do actually like him. And it's possible that it was the same for Ex, too, except he got too busy to make time for them sometime after that. Just food for thought. It basically means that Ise isn't that bad of a father, it's just that as he started off with enough time for his family, but then gradually became too busy later on.

Edit: I didn't see the other posts here.

Anyway, Saeba, have you updated the EX parts? What's that about the real reason for Ex's angst (does it refer to the reason why he's got issues with his father?)?

And I'm glad Gasper has that much better control over his Sacred Gear's power now.

[Chichiryuushintei]

Huh, no, none of the kids showed to have any special fondness of Ise. They understand he's busy, but they don't really say much about him aside from the obvious perversion. And that's no secret.

It was explicitly said in this part that Ise had next to no part in raising tham, which is why they are so serious. Even Airi showed little resemblance to him. Aside from using hand-to-hand combat, I saw no similarities whatsoever.

[Ariel_Saeba]

@Osman yep, the angst comes from his "daddy issues" very much (I will post the last part this afternoon).

[B214]

To himself? Doing what?
He has 10+ loving wives and and 20+ beautiful children, what could be better than some quality time with the wonderful colossal family he has

That'd make him more of an ass to me

I'd much rather have him being too busy

But even that doesn't make sense, Vali and Kiba both are pretty important figures as well yet they can spend enough time with Issei's kids, to the point his kids like them more than their own father

His hobbies/interest? You can't expect Ise to be able to enjoy his free time playing his eroge or watching porn with his wives and kids accompanying him. That'd make things way too awkward and might not even be a good resting time for him. Ise's a (former) human, it's natural that he wants some free time for himself.

Kiba is a Rias' Knight, his main task is to protect Rias and her family. It's natural that he'd spend more time with the kids especially since he's their bodyguard. Vali only needs ramen and he's the happiest man on Earth already.

[Chichiryuushintei]

Vali is the founder/leader of an entire association.

[LowCholesterol]

how about Mordred:confused:

not that rebellous son please...
but there is a chance of it since he didn't pick Arthur sword

[The 48th Ronin]

Don't tell me Gasper emulated Mil-tan!

[LowCholesterol]

to be honest, i want adult Gasper appearance look like Issa Shuzen

[kusabireika]

@LowCholesterol: while wearing a dress on his own free time. ^^ :blush:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-21_zps1pksyluy.gif

[Hakai]

His hobbies/interest? You can't expect Ise to be able to enjoy his free time playing his eroge or watching porn with his wives and kids accompanying him. That'd make things way too awkward and might not even be a good resting time for him. Ise's a (former) human, it's natural that he wants some free time for himself.
So you think he'd prefer eroge/hobbies(whatever they are, since harem/polygamy was the dream of frikkin life) for 17 whole years while Ignoring his kids?
Do you realize how bad that sounds?
Because Zen a 17 year old does not remember spending enough time with Issei

Kiba is a Rias' Knight, his main task is to protect Rias and her family. It's natural that he'd spend more time with the kids especially since he's their bodyguard. Vali only needs ramen and he's the happiest man on Earth already.
Issei is Rias' husband
Those are his own kids
No Vali is still the founder of an association and he's still a battle freak as it was said ramen and fighting is same for him, not that he only loves ramen forgetting everything else

Huh, no, none of the kids showed to have any special fondness of Ise.
Azazel said Tina seems fond of both of her parents :D
Don't know about 'special fondness' tho

[Ariel_Saeba]

Wow, I don't notice that Gasper becomes so Shikamaru-ish. :D

[kusabireika]

@Ariel_Saeba: uhm who is your favorite on Issei's children for me I guess it is Kurenai because the reason is he is half fallen angel that's all. ^^ :blush:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-36_zpscyrxibn1.gif

[Ariel_Saeba]

@kusa Well I do like them all despite their quirks, so it's difficult. Guess I go with Airi and Ex (basically a sibling version of Boruto and Sarada :heh: ).

[Hakai]

@Ariel_Saeba: uhm who is your favorite on Issei's children for me I guess it is Kurenai because the reason is he is half fallen angel that's all. ^^ :blush:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-36_zpscyrxibn1.gif

Actually, his mum is half fallen angel and half himejima so that makes him.. well less than half I guess

He has already shown himejima clan's traits

[kusabireika]

@Ariel_Saeba: uhm I see, for me the paired of Issei's children I picked is Kurenai and Helmwige "I pick her because it sound like Hedwig from HP :heehee:", thx for answering my question. ^^ :kisskiss:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-20_zpsmkje4cq0.gif

@Cake-Carrot: technically all fallen angel and their children has enhance beauty boost if you know what I meant. ^^ :blush:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-27_zpsh45vmraz.gif

[Hakai]

As for my favorites

1. Tina. Because she is awesome and she resembles her mother a lot(who I am very fond of) and of course the drills :D

2. Shirayuki. Who doesn't love a white energetic cat that eats a lot

3.Ex. I can't belive I'm saying this but after his talk with Azazel I'm starting to like this kid, and he by far has the coolest fighting style

[B214]

So you think he'd prefer eroge/hobbies(whatever they are, since harem/polygamy was the dream of frikkin life) for 17 whole years while Ignoring his kids?
Do you realize how bad that sounds?
Because Zen a 17 year old does not remember spending enough time with Issei


Issei is Rias' husband
Those are his own kids
No Vali is still the founder of an association and he's still a battle freak as it was said ramen and fighting is same for him, not that he only loves ramen forgetting everything else

Now you're just jumping to conclusion that he's ignoring his kids for 17 straight years. I'm saying that Ise is spending his free time as his personal time. Family time =/= personal time. Plus he has 20 kids how is he suppose to split the time equally for 20 kids and God knows how many wives. His wives and kids have their own schedule too, so it can't be matched perfectly no matter how much one tries.

Grayfia is Sirzechs' wife but she acts more as a maid than wife.
Millicas is Sirzechs' son but Sirzechs places priority on his job as a Maou over a father. He only spends his free time with his son.

Vali doesn't have a family like Ise you can't just compare their situation it's like comparing a banana and a potato . Plus Vali has subordinates that he can delegate his task on, but Ise doesn't, there's only one Oppai Dragon after all.

In that end it boils down to the matter of viewing things. What you view as bad doesn't equal to bad for everyone. I barely interact with my parents & siblings myself, but we don't have much of a harsh feeling or displeasure towards each other. I spend my childhood time with my aunt, cousins & neighbor more than my own parents & siblings yet i've never even complained once or hated them for it. More importantly, i've never even thought of my parents as bad parents because we barely have time for each other. So no point arguing whether or not Ise is a good father or not, cause there will be some like Ex and there'll be some like Tina. They each have their view on things and each view become their own truth. Trying to say Ise is a bad father from Ex's view & truth only can't equate to the entire picture with everyone's view in it.

[Hakai]

Even Azazel thinks Issei is a shitty dad, and he's one of the more cool and open minded guy in the series but
In that end it boils down to the matter of viewing things.
I can agree with that
We all have our own view/values when it comes to family

[Variabug]

And with the whole thing about them being indifferent about Issei, in Part 3 they say "From my support, we have the motivation and influence to fight from our father! I BID YOU STAND, CHILDREN OF RED DRAGON EMPEROR!”

That shows that they (Airi I believe) have at least some respect for their father. And they overall seem to understand that Issei is very busy. While they don't show love, its far from indifference.

Another thing is that we haven't seen the situation from Issei's POV. We don't know WHY he's busy or what's truly happened in the future. But from what we can gather things aren't fun. He's a central pillar of either a war or post-war society that caused enough political turmoil to need to reorganize the government as shown with the 7 Maou. He's had to endure "sacrifices", two being Azazel and the possibility or Sirzechs. Its known that he spends a lot of time acting as both the Red Dragon Emperor with the other Mythologies and the Oppai Dragon with the Devils. In a way Issei is a figurehead trying to keep the world together.

Also we know that A) Issei has extremely low self-esteem, the whole reason behind his Oppai obsession and B) Issei is susceptible to long-lasting mental scars in part to point A. Just ask Raynare.

One of my personal theories regarding the Satans is that their personalities where different in the past, I think their goofy natures come from both the stress of their work and the aftereffects of the Great War and Devil Civil War. The same could be said for other characters such as Metatron being a Ninja. Issei is said to be more perverted in the future than he is in the present, despite his character development heading in the opposite direction within the maid series (Ddraig talking about how he didn't use his more lecherous techniques against Walburga for example). Essentially, the guilt and pain of losing both his mentor and older brother (plus anyone else we don't know about) probably did some major psychological damage that hasn't fully worn off. Him not being able to see his wives doesn't help as the girls were the ones to heal him from Raynare.

That being said, I think it's possible that both Issei being a neglectful father and a loving father could be true. Maybe he's purposely avoiding his children due to regret? Maybe he doesn't WANT them to become like him so he keeps contact to a minimum? Issei is essentially doing what he does normally, putting his loved one's burdens on his shoulders to relieve the pain (at least in his own logic), however this is a much more self-destructive form in comparison, showing the downside of that personality trait because he's blaming himself for everything wrong in the future instead of living a peaceful life with his family like he's always wanted.

In the end we really don't know enough to make an informed decision on why Issei is acting the way he is. I hope EX 4's final part with Ix showing why he has daddy issues will better show us Future Issei's personality in comparison to Vol 8 and Vol 20 Issei.

And remember Carrot, Azazel doesn't know the full situation like we do, he only has what little the children have told him as the basis for his opinion. Again, only Ixis has shown any real contempt for Issei and they know a lot more about the future than Azazel.

[Hakai]

And remember Carrot, Azazel doesn't know the full situation like we do, he only has what little the children have told him as the basis for his opinion. Again, only Ixis has shown any real contempt for Issei and they know a lot more about the future than Azazel
we know only as much as Azazel(if not less)since the story is told from his POV which is Issei's too busy because of his celebrity status as the Seki and Chichi ryuutei

Of course I'm going to change my opinion if it is revealed there is some deeper(and convincing) reason behind him ignoring his family

[Chichiryuushintei]

I don't particularly care for any of the children.

[kusabireika]

uhm I'm bit curious on how strong is Robertina and Helmwige fighting style is it similar to their parent or a bit different err uhm do dragon heritage boost Robertina's Phenex abilities. ^^? :nod:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-35_zpstyqoqfiy.gif

[DragonOsman]

@Chichi: If you really think Airi isn't influenced by Ise at all, you need to reread. I thought she was very much like him, even to the point of perverseness. There was also the bits that Saeba and Variabug have told us.

And Variabug now also makes a pretty good point. Given Ise's personality, the pain he's gone through and sacrifices he's had to make, as well as his own guilty conscience could very well have made him think he has to keep his distance from his family on his own for their own good. I wouldn't put it past him after what I've read in Volume 20 so far (as well as some of the parts of the series before that).

I get the feeling some of us are forgetting important parts from previous parts of EX as we read more of it that Saeba translates. That's not a good sign.

[Chichiryuushintei]

@Chichi: If you really think Airi isn't influenced by Ise at all, you need to reread. I thought she was very much like him, even to the point of perverseness. There was also the bits that Saeba and Variabug have told us.

And Variabug now also makes a pretty good point. Given Ise's personality, the pain he's gone through and sacrifices he's had to make, as well as his own guilty conscience could very well have made him think he has to keep his distance from his family on his own for their own good. I wouldn't put it past him after what I've read in Volume 20 so far (as well as some of the parts of the series before that).

I get the feeling some of us are forgetting important parts from previous parts of EX as we read more of it that Saeba translates. That's not a good sign.

Airi didn't show any perversion at all.

[DragonOsman]

But there's still what Saeba and Variabug have said about her and the other kids. Did you forget completely?

[Ariel_Saeba]

Gasper went Uncle Ben this time. Thank you, Ishibumi, I admired him now. :D

[OmegaWeaponZ]

Does any one thin that maybe Bennia has a shot at the harem, now that Le Fay, who was in a similar position of being a fan of the Oppai dragon, is basically confirmed as part of the harem?

Also, damn...

Never expect such deep analysis in thread about a glorified side story. (Not that I mind though, I like a good debate)

[Variabug]

Potentially, yes. The only thing we know is that all of the mothers have large breasts. Which is still possible for Bennia considering she's quite young, I mean hell, look at how much Koneko will change in only a few years!

[Biohazardous]

I'd love for Bennnia to join since she's a fav of mine. Le Fay did/does have an advantage being his contracted magician though.

[DragonOsman]

About Le Fay being his contracted magician, do we know how the Magician's Association reacted to it? Have they accepted it?

[amtro]

Too many cooks spoil the broth. Eleven is already more than enough. And I'm pretty damn sure that not all of these 11 are lawfully wedded wives, at least Akeno and Kuroka are concubines.

[Ariel_Saeba]

Final Part: Curb-Stomp Battle

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=5739706&postcount=1267

Now waiting for Chapter 5

EDIT: I'm wrong again on Ex's CB :D I gotta stop this before it becomes a habit.

[Hakai]

Six transcendental beings eh?
Issei
Vali
Ajuka
Gasper
Millicas(really happy he became a super devil,and he did at such young age)
Sixth one is most probably Sairaorg

Ex,no wonder I thought his fighting style was the coolest, he combines Vali and Kiba's style while using Issei and Rias' power
Even Azazel can't see him moving

And that cliffhanger...Now I'm even more impatient for the next part

[amtro]

You're gonna have to wait a week for that. I went ahead and cancelled the order when V4 was delayed. Used the money on mobage holiday gachas instead.

[Ariel_Saeba]

@amtro I see. At least it gives a bit time to breathe :D

[Biohazardous]

Dang man. Gasper is BOSS!. I love how he was getting on Ex during he fight. Gasper still has his love and respect for Ise. I have a feeling that when Ex resolves his issues with Dad and embraces everything he will easily be the strongest kid.

[Chichiryuushintei]

So Galvadan's final move is supposed to destroy a mountain. Why would he be a threat to Azazel if he's about as strong as v5 Ise?

[Ariel_Saeba]

So Galvadan's final move is supposed to destroy a mountain. Why would he be a threat to Azazel if he's about as strong as v5 Ise?

@Chichi Considering that it's curb-stomped by Ex I can see your point. I think the "threat" aspect is that he can be just rebuilt and comes back strong (and hammy:heh:)

EDIT: also, the mountain that Azazel refers to is the whole Hira Mountain range (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hira_Mountains), not just a single mount. It means that Galvaldan is capable of exterminating that wide area.

[Hakai]

Because Aoe/destruction means shit in-universe
Authors are always inconsistent and don't pay any attention to it

Damaging density also matters

We've seen characters far stronger than Serafall fight all out yet nothing close to a country was destroyed

Kokabiel destroying the gym of Kuou was supposed to put him on another level and made Issei piss his pants

@Ariel: Was there any direct statement made on Galvadan's strength level?

[Chichiryuushintei]

Because Aoe/destruction means shit in-universe
Authors are always inconsistent and don't pay any attention to it

Damaging density also matters

We've seen characters far stronger than Serafall fight all out yet nothing close to a country was destroyed

Kokabiel destroying the gym of Kuou was supposed to put him on another level and made Issei piss his pants

@Ariel: Was there any direct statement made on Galvadan's strength level?That doesn't excuse the series from contradicting itself.

The only time people stronger than Serafall fought all out was in v20. And even then, most of the actual attacks were thrown in the air.

Back then, destroying buildings wasn't something anyone in the ORC could do with ease. It was a big deal.

@Ariel: Even then, it only puts him slightly above Ise's Kyoto-vaporizing feat in v9. Nowhere near Leader-Class.

[Hakai]

The demonic-power ball that missed its target went towards the mountain next to the one we are on, and—.

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG!!

The mountain blows up while making a huge sound and blast!!

Eh! Eh? Eeeeeeeeeeeeh!?

……A single shot of demonic-power I shot out blew away a single mountain……The mountain has a huge hole in it. It changes the view of it.

……Eh? Are you for real? It actually blew it up? It’s a mountain, you know? A mountain.

Reason #999 on why DC means shit in-verse

[Chichiryuushintei]

The anime showed that it was just a part of a mountain. And even that needed minutes of Boosting.

[Hakai]

The anime
Not canon, Novel says he erased a mountain
. And even that needed minutes of Boosting.
Twelve boosts to be exact
V2 base Issei with 12 boosts=Mountain wiper

[Variabug]

So I was right, Ix seems to want Issei to be around his family more. Combined with natural teenage angst is why Ix is a bit of a brat right now.

Also, Ix is using a smaller Diablos Dragon, but in comparison is more Melee based with Galatine III compared to DxD's Cannons (of course this conjecture based on its current usage, won't know more until later). He also seems to be well on the way to becoming a Super Devil himself, because when you're being compared to Sirzechs, you got some serious firepower behind you.

Also, it seems that Azazels opinion on Issei has changed, and is a bit more understanding as he has learned more.

[Chichiryuushintei]

Not canon, Novel says he erased a mountain
.
Twelve boosts to be exact
V2 base Issei with 12 boosts=Mountain wiper

You mean just how the novel says Azazel has black hair but the illustrations clearly show him having blonde bangs? Ishi is just not a descriptive author.

[DragonOsman]

So I was right, Ix seems to want Issei to be around his family more. Combined with natural teenage angst is why Ix is a bit of a brat right now.

Also, Ix is using a smaller Diablos Dragon, but in comparison is more Melee based with Galatine III compared to DxD's Cannons (of course this conjecture based on its current usage, won't know more until later). He also seems to be well on the way to becoming a Super Devil himself, because when you're being compared to Sirzechs, you got some serious firepower behind you.

Also, it seems that Azazels opinion on Issei has changed, and is a bit more understanding as he has learned more.

Yeah, and you're right on Ex. And Ex himself also seems to not be able to forgive Ise for not having been there to save Asia when she was put into the eternal sleep state she's in now (in the future, I mean). I want to know the real reason why Ise couldn't do any of that, though. Saving Asia or being able to spend more time with his family.

And since Gasper said Ex would understand eventually, I'm expecting that everything will turn out okay in the end.

By the way, I love this quote, among others:
“Boosted Gear Diabolos Counter-Balance: [Crimson Dragon Sword of Extinction] 'The Existence Cutter' Scarlet Blade! With the will and strength of the Heavenly Dragon, I combine it with the power of this cursed holy sword, prepare yourself, Galvaldan!”

The name of Ex's Counter-Balance is badass-sounding. And apparently, the Artificial version Boosted Gear Ex is using does gave him the power of a Heavenly Dragon, plus he was able to cloak himself in power with a Scale Mail even though one of the Four Generals said earlier that he couldn't do that.

Anyway, yeah, hopefully Ex does become a Super Devil once he grows up. He'll join his father and his Uncle Sirzechs in that when he does so (right? If Ise's power as at the level of a Super Devil in DxD mode now, he should be able to be a Super Devil 24/7 in the future at this rate).

[cyberdemon]

Yeah, and you're right on Ex. And Ex himself also seems to not be able to forgive Ise for not having been there to save Asia when she was put into the eternal sleep state she's in now (in the future, I mean). I want to know the real reason why Ise couldn't do any of that, though. Saving Asia or being able to spend more time with his family.

And since Gasper said Ex would understand eventually, I'm expecting that everything will turn out okay in the end.

By the way, I love this quote, among others:


The name of Ex's Counter-Balance is badass-sounding. And apparently, the Artificial version Boosted Gear Ex is using does gave him the power of a Heavenly Dragon, plus he was able to cloak himself in power with a Scale Mail even though one of the Four Generals said earlier that he couldn't do that.

Anyway, yeah, hopefully Ex does become a Super Devil once he grows up. He'll join his father and his Uncle Sirzechs in that when he does so (right? If Ise's power as at the level of a Super Devil in DxD mode now, he should be able to be a Super Devil 24/7 in the future at this rate).

I expect future Issei to turn up at the end of the battle and absolutely curb stomp the enemy

[B214]

Millicas becoming a Transcendental Being like his father doesn't really surprise me much considering the potential he has shown before. As for the remaining , i think we can assume them to be Ise, Vali and Kiba considering the statement that they're the "strongest of their generation".

[DragonOsman]

I agree there. It's to be expected, after all.

@Cyberdemon: That'd be great. Then Ex will hopefully also reconcile with him.

[amtro]

I fully expect Issei to show up as a huge, bearded middle aged man with a few scars, a white stripe of hair and bulging muscles by the end of EX. If he doesn't Ishibumi can go jump off a cliff.

Also it's logical that few, if none of his children inherited his appearance. He's in effect a human form dragon now. A blank slate that adds red dragon stuff and aura to their genetic material, nothing more.
Good for the children I guess.

[DragonOsman]

I think they should still at least get something from his "human-looking" appearance, even if his body is made from Great Red's flesh and he has Dragon powers from that and Ddraig being inside him (plus Ophis).

As for Ise's physical appearance, I'm totally on-board with the muscular part, but I'm not sure about him looking like a middle-aged man with a beard. Devils can control their appearance, so it'd be good if he could maintain a somewhat younger-looking appearance, too, like Vanelana (with the exception of Ise being a guy). Besides, it's only 30 years into the future, anyway, so he should only be in his 40s, give or take some years, not 50+.

[amtro]

Males are at their best in their mid thirties to late fourties. If taken good care of, we age like a fine wine. Middle aged Issei would be the best.

[B214]

After seeing Sirzechs, no i doubt Ise will be Middle Aged looking at all.

[kusabireika]

I'm bit curious what happen to all other Longinus users is some there are ally or an enemy, also are they strong enough to equal DxD Issei and EJOD Vali in Volume 20 0_0. ^^? :nod:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-38_zpsl5jpd6du.gif

[Direwolf18]

I can't see Ise showing up as a decrepit old man with a pot belly. Devils can control their apparant age at will. Adult Female devils seem to go with their mid to late 20s, while Males send to go with 35-45ish. Which I expect is the age Ise sticks with, probably the mid to late 30s thing.

Obviously the really old ones go even further. But how old is Sirzechs as a refrence? He is at least 130 or so.

[sunsengnim]

I'm pretty certain Issei himself doesn't really care how old he looks so how old he looks will most likely depend on the girls.

He might still even look 17 for all we know, i'm guessing he's probably around age 25-30 in looks it might even depend on the girls mood or what they want at certain times *wink wink*.

I'm imagining Issei with wilder hair, more ripped but still lean, taller, more mature facial features, a firmer jaw line, most likely at best a stubble beard or clean shaven doubt the girls would like a full beard.

The only feature that would stay the same would be his kind, gentle brown eyes the girls love.

Well that's my opinion on this matter *shrug* really hope Ishibumi has Future Issei coming back to go off in a dragons rage and curbstomp everything.

Would be a huge waste on Ishibumi's part if he didn't honestly.

[Ruki0089]

I hope middle ages Ise will appear in last moment and kick Loki and friend ass while saying "You dare lay your dirty fingers on my Asia!!?"

[Yye1]

so does last part come out at end of January?

[LowCholesterol]

I hope middle ages Ise will appear in last moment and kick Loki and friend ass while saying "You dare lay your dirty fingers on my Asia!!?"

what a jerk, only come at last moment to kick the big bad dude.

then why don't he protect the family since the beginning?

[kusabireika]

sigh........... uhm I wonder there are any news to our longinus current user or the new user, Airi wearing holy cross is kinda cute. ^^? :nod:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-35_zpstyqoqfiy.gif

@LowCholesterol: unless Great Red died after the battle of 666 and Issei and Ophis/Lillith took his mantle in maintaining the balance of the Dimensional Gap. ^^ :nod:
http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk308/0kusabireika0/Emoticons/EcoIn.cOM.vN-Emo-Cat-Princess-29_zpsk0s4vid9.gif

[ady623]

@Kusabireika: doesnt that mean there just flying around doing nothing, kinda like the end of future dairy

@Sunsengnim: Well Rias did tell Ise that he could grow a beard to make him look more majestic

[Ruki0089]

what a jerk, only come at last moment to kick the big bad dude.

then why don't he protect the family since the beginning?

Dude, we don't know what exactly future Ise doing right now, we only know he is busy... Maybe Ise kick other enemy ass in future right now or he stay by Asia side, holding her hand and keep saying "I'm sorry I can't protect you..." Repeatedly...

[Hokoga]

Or maybe Issei inherited Great Red's power over dreams and is trying to use it to enter Asia's dreams in order to wake her up.
But it's probably taking him a long time because of how strong the curse is.
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So Issei & Vali are not counted as transcendental beings? (Transcendental beings why does that sound so cool?)

[Ruki0089]

Ise and Vali counted as transcendental being... Remember there is 6 people that counted as transcendental being

[Hokoga]

Ise and Vali counted as transcendental being... Remember there is 6 people that counted as transcendental beingThe only ones that were actually mentioned in the summery is Milicas, Ajuka, and Gasper so I'm just asking to make sure if Issei & Vali are also included.

[Ruki0089]

I'm pretty sure they also included... Both of them was two heavenly dragon. Of course, they can be considered as transcendental being

[B214]

The only ones that were actually mentioned in the summery is Milicas, Ajuka, and Gasper so I'm just asking to make sure if Issei & Vali are also included.

Well to be exact the Transcendental Being (超越者) = Super Devil (ちょうえつしゃ).
Super Devil is the furigana for the Transcendental Being, so it won't make sense if it's not a Devil or Half Devil or Reincarnated Devil like Ise or Vali. We can argue that it's Sairaorg too but since the three Ise, Vali and Kiba are stated to be the best of their generation, it won't make sense that they aren't consider Super Devil when Gasper is.

[Hakai]

Sixth one has to be Sairaorg, unless he's dead
He's already the strongest youth and has a longinus on top

Besides Wukong already said he'd train the Longinus users to be God class sooner or later

[B214]

Sixth one has to be Sairaorg, unless he's dead
He's already the strongest youth and has a longinus on top

Besides Wukong already said he'd train the Longinus users to be God class sooner or later

But compared to Kiba who still has room for improvement, Sairaorg barely has any.

Kiba hasn't mastered both of his Balance Breaker, he still hasn't mastered his Demon Swords. And Ishibumi even hinted in his blog that both of Kiba's SG may eventually fuse. I'm guessing it has to do with the new ability in V19. Of course i'm not saying Sairaorg can't improve but compared to what we've seen from Kiba, it feels like Kiba > Sairaorg in potential.

[Hakai]

But compared to Kiba who still has room for improvement, Sairaorg barely has any.

Kiba hasn't mastered both of his Balance Breaker, he still hasn't mastered his Demon Swords. And Ishibumi even hinted in his blog that both of Kiba's SG may eventually fuse. I'm guessing it has to do with the new ability in V19. Of course i'm not saying Sairaorg can't improve but compared to what we've seen from Kiba, it feels like Kiba > Sairaorg in potential.

:eyespin: but Longinus kinda makes Sairaorg's potential god class by default

And we don't know the full potential of Sairaorg's base state anyway, since he's a Devil that uses touki(lots of it)

Kiba was just never foreshadowed to have God-class potential while both Gasper and Sairaorg were

Of course I'm not absolutely denying the possibility but it being Kiba rather than Sairaorg would feel... weird

I think Kiba should comfortably surpass his master though
Probably on the same level as the original Siegfried(Just my speculation)

[Variabug]

Remember, Kiba is stated to be one of the strongest in his Generation. That probably means that he is a transcendental being. Sairaorg himself is strong, but compared to other characters he doesn't seem to have the same potential in terms of power. Also, a Transcendental being and a God are two very different things in DXD. Sirzechs full power made Hades, one of the big 3 Greek Gods fearful, and Loki is nothing compared to Hades. Think in Dragon Ball terms. The Kami of DBZ are very strong, but compared to the likes of Goku, Vegeta, and even characters like Pikkon are not the top of the food chain. However there are some Gods (Beerus in DB. Vishnu, Full Power Ophis, etc) who manage to attain great levels of power. Gods in DXD are powerful beings, but being a God does not automatically make them strong in context of other beings like Sirzechs.

Also in terms of Longinus. Walburga was a Longinus and look how strong she was. There are limitations to them despite their inherent abilities. Issei has needed to train intensely as well as gain a new body in order to his current level of power.

[Hakai]

—I will train you two, the Two Heavenly Dragons. I will teach you the way you must fight against the Evil Dragons from scratch. Especially the Longinus possessors and their Masters may end up fighting God-class in the future, so I will train you to the point where you can even fight the Gods.”

“……We are fighting the Gods……?”

Sairaorg-san replies with a doubtful tone.
Walburga wasn't trained by the first gen

Each longinus has the potential to kill gods, and Wukong will make sure to bring them out for Sairaorg

You don't need to be Sirzechs level to be Super Devil, even Rizevim was considered one and he's far weaker

[Ariel_Saeba]

You don't need to be Sirzechs level to be Super Devil, even Rizevim was considered one and he's far weaker

Well, let's just say that in the future, Sirzechs' level is used as the standard for being a Super Devil (which I find not surprising for Milicas to be one, Gasper both has his Sacred Gear abilities and the Balor power maxed out, and Ajuka is already one but possibly ups his ante too).