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DingoEnderZOE2
2004-06-06, 20:55
What ero-games are your favorites at the moment?
And why? Mine are Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien,Kisaku,And Comic Party. The reaons why I like them are simple:I like Kimi ga Nozomu Eien the game because I loved the touching story. And I liked the sad atmosphere around it as well. The H scenes aren't too bad. And I liked some of the side storys in the game too.For Kisaku its because the games Mini games are fun to play sometimes.I like the characters. And I like the main character he may be a nasty old man but his character is pretty funny sometimes.And the game overall is pretty funny.(Even some of the H scenes made me laugh.) And as for Comic Party I like it because its entertaining,Its pretty hard at first if you don't know Japanese very well.And I found the storys behind each character were touching,funny or sweet. What about you guys?
[mod edit 2011-08-11: This thread has been renamed to more closely summarize its effective purpose now as a General Eroge Impressions & Discussion thread.
This thread is now basically a catch-all for commentary about recent and past eroge releases that do not have or may not warrant their own thread. If there is already a specific discussion thread about the eroge in question, please go to that thread. You may also create a thread if you think there is enough subject matter to discuss. Prolonged discussion about any one given topic or work may be split off into its own thread.]
i'd REALLY like to play Shingetsutan Tsukihime...but, well, i don't have it
the only H-game i've played is "Nocturnal Illusion", which was pretty good...so i guess it's my favorite
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-06-06, 21:25
You reliaze for Tsukihime you better be pretty darn good with Japanese Language right? If you don't know Japanese at all theres no point in wanting to try Tsukihime.If all you want is to look at all the H scenes then thats a another story. :heh:
sarcasteak
2004-06-06, 22:00
I'm a big fan of Key's Kanon and AIR, but Japanese comprehension is absolutely necessarily since both are more romance than ero...
Crescendo, Kana - Little Sister, Season of the Sakura, Tottemo Pheromone, True Love, Casual Romance Club.
All English, of course. I don't see much point playing untranslated games, if I wanted just the pictures it would be easier to just locate their CGs in collections on BitTorrent or eMule.
Anyway, I like them for the romance focus they have (maybe except Tottemo Pheromone, which is pretty short). The older titles I mentioned got me hooked on ero-games, and holds a special meaning to me even today.
You reliaze for Tsukihime you better be pretty darn good with Japanese Language right? If you don't know Japanese at all theres no point in wanting to try Tsukihime.If all you want is to look at all the H scenes then thats a another story. :heh:
...i'm studying japanese, someday i'll be able to play and enjoy it ^_^ (by then it might be translated and brought to the states...or not...whichever)
dreamless
2004-06-07, 00:06
Dragon Knight 3 and 4, Words Worth, Es Formula, YU-NO, Castle Fantasia, Izumo, Kanon, Air, Yami to Boshi to Hon no Tabibito... I think I'm gonna lost count... I guess you could say that I love hentai games :p
2003
no.1 december when there is no angel (leaf)
2004 till now
no.1 fate /stay night (type-moon)
(clannad not ero game...orz)
So far this year, they have been:
Fate/stay night
SHUFFLE!
CLANNAD
Aruru to Asobo!
Realize
My all time favorite list would compromise something like (in no particular order):
Dokyusei 1,2
Kono Sekai no Hatede Utau-mono YU-NO
Pia Carrot 1,2,3 TB
Shizuku
Kizuato
Saorin to Issho!
Hatsune no Naisho!
To Heart
Comic Party
Inagawa de Ikou!
Magical Antique
Utawarerumono
MOON
ONE
Kanon
AIR
Triangle Heart 1,2,3
SNOW
D+VINE LUV
Tobi D+VINE
Kana~Imouto~
Kazoku Keikaku
CROSS+CHANNEL
Tsukihime, PLUS+/-DISC, Kagetsu Touya
Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien
MuvLuv
Phatom~Phantom of Inferno~
Deus Machina Demonbaine
BALDR FORCE
Giniro
Clover Heart's
Wind-a Breath of Heart-
Mizuiro
Infantaria
Suika
D.C.~Da Capo~
Sorewa Maichiru Sakura no Youni
Kao no Nai Tsuki
Kichikuou Lance series
Dai Akuji
Dai Bancho
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-06-07, 02:22
Dragon Knight 3 and 4, Words Worth, Es Formula, YU-NO, Castle Fantasia, Izumo, Kanon, Air, Yami to Boshi to Hon no Tabibito... I think I'm gonna lost count... I guess you could say that I love hentai games
Dragon knight 3(A.K.A.Knights of Xentar)Was a nice game. But unfortunaly I only played the English version I would have loved to have played the Jap version so I could see what was REALLY being said in most of the scenes.Now Dragon Knight 4 now thats a rare game now. I loved the Strategy in the game. It was a little too hard near the end though.Near the end it was really easy to make a mistake and lose some of your comrades but I got smarter and overcame that.And the humor wasn't so bad either.Now Words Worth Man I first ran into the hentai of that by accident. I remember when I went to buy me a Anime Dvd I ended up getting words worth the Hentai instead of the one I wanted because they put the wrong disc in the case. Anyway I haven't fully played that game I only tried it out but I plan on trying that one soon. And as for YU-NO I CANNOT FIND THAT TO BUY ANYWHERE.Its not fair how come everyone else found a way to get their hands on it but I can't find it anywhere?? Whats the game like and about?
And I guess I'll add some more of my favorites:
Doukyuusei 1(The original not the windows version. I haven't tried that version yet.)
Doukyuusei 2(This was the game that got me curious about the Hentai genre more. I remember I played the Snes version of that and I was hooked and surprised of the story. I wouldn't have thought it was an H game back then.)
Kakyuusei(Addicting game.Can't wait until part 2 comes out.)
Koihime
Pia Carrot 2(I didn't like part 1 too much.)
Isaku
Shusaku
The stupidest H games I've played:
Aishimai (That was just a pointless game. Every single choice you pick you get a H scene. Everywhere you look you get a H-scene. That was more boring then fun for me.)
As you can prob tell from my List I'm still kind of new at this whole H game thing.And as for Kanon and Air I heard alot of things about those two but the Artwork looks soo chubby and weird I never had the desire to try them out.
Im still pretty new to the ero-game thing, and I have been pretty picky about what I have tried so far. The current list has been;
Crescendo
Kana
Heart de Roomate
Day of Love
Currently Cescendo is my favorite. I plan on trying a few more as time permits.
I would kill to get my hands on some of the titles kj1980 posts in translation;
Tsukihime, PLUS+/-DISC, Kagetsu Touya
Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien
Kanon
Wind
To Heart
D.C.~Da Capo~
I loved the anime, would really like to see those titles in english.
I would kill to get my hands on some of the titles kj1980 posts in translation;
Tsukihime, PLUS+/-DISC, Kagetsu Touya
Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien
Kanon
Wind
To Heart
D.C.~Da Capo~
I loved the anime, would really like to see those titles in english.
You can find most of these games rather easily (Of course, they are in Japanese) with the exception of "Tsukihime."
As I said before, "Tsukihime" was a doujin game made by a TYPE-MOON when they were still in the doujin market. Since their funds are limited, the amount of presses they made are fairly limited. Hence, it is very hard to find the actual original copies of the "Tsukihime" games. The last time I checked:
1. "Tsukihime Hantsuki-ban" (Tsukihime Beta-version) - only 300 copies made, sold at Summer Comike 2000 for 1000 yen each, only play Arc and Ciel's scenario. Now the buyback rate at Mandarake is at 60,000 yen - which means the selling rate must mean higher than that.
2. "Tsukihime" - first press (the label-side is blue) and second press (the label-side is purple) - Mandarake buyback rate at 10,000 - 20,000 yen depending on condition. Sold at Winter Comike 2000 at 1500 yen.
3. "Tsukihime PLUS-DISC" - first press (on labeled CD-R) and second press (bulk pressed) - same rate as above. Originally sold at 2001 Sunshine Recreation for 300 yen.
4. "Kagetsu Touya" - same rate as above. Sold at Summer Comike 2001 for 1500 yen.
5. "Tsukibako" (boxset that includes "Tsukihime," "Tsukihime PLUS+DISC," "Kagetsu Touya") Most rates on Yahoo! Auction go well over 30,000 yen. Originally sold at various doujin shops for 2500 yen.
You can find most of these games rather easily (Of course, they are in Japanese) with the exception of "Tsukihime."
As I said before, "Tsukihime" was a doujin game made by a TYPE-MOON when they were still in the doujin market. Since their funds are limited, the amount of presses they made are fairly limited. Hence, it is very hard to find the actual original copies of the "Tsukihime" games. The last time I checked:
1. "Tsukihime Hantsuki-ban" (Tsukihime Beta-version) - only 300 copies made, sold at Summer Comike 2000 for 1000 yen each, only play Arc and Ciel's scenario. Now the buyback rate at Mandarake is at 60,000 yen - which means the selling rate must mean higher than that.
2. "Tsukihime" - first press (the label-side is blue) and second press (the label-side is purple) - Mandarake buyback rate at 10,000 - 20,000 yen depending on condition. Sold at Winter Comike 2000 at 1500 yen.
3. "Tsukihime PLUS-DISC" - first press (on labeled CD-R) and second press (bulk pressed) - same rate as above. Originally sold at 2001 Sunshine Recreation for 300 yen.
4. "Kagetsu Touya" - same rate as above. Sold at Summer Comike 2001 for 1500 yen.
5. "Tsukibako" (boxset that includes "Tsukihime," "Tsukihime PLUS+DISC," "Kagetsu Touya") Most rates on Yahoo! Auction go well over 30,000 yen. Originally sold at various doujin shops for 2500 yen.
I have looked at a few of them, but my Japanese has about 20 years worth of disuse, I cant even read hiragana/katakana anymore, much less kanji. Being stuck out in the middle of Texas doesnt help, my choices for language instruction are spanish/french/or german. So, as much as I want to, I have to wait for the translations (or move somewhere with a real university again).
boneyjellyfish
2004-06-07, 13:58
My favorite bishoujo game is Mizuiro. I absolutely loved how it pretty much only concentrated on the romance elements. There wasn't really much of a conflict in the story, but it really touched me, and the ending made me cry for a long time.
Bullsquat
2004-06-07, 14:02
My absolute favorite ero game is the same as Arwyn, Crescendo. How can you not like this game? Kana might well be the better game but I'm just not mentally prepared to play it again at the moment.
While most ero games are just that, erotic and nothing more, I'm sure there are many other titles similar to Crescendo and Kana: little sister that have yet to be translated into English.
So my question is this kj1980, what other games do you know that are similar? I will personally write to JastUSA to have them translated if I have to.
silviachan
2004-06-07, 14:21
I'll try Mizuiro, D.C. and Kimi nozo ASAP. They seem to be very beautiful, but there are soooo many kanjis I don't know...
Kichikuou Lance series
Do you know a site where I can gather more info about Rance games, expecially the FM towers one?
My absolute favorite ero game is the same as Arwyn, Crescendo. How can you not like this game? Kana might well be the better game but I'm just not mentally prepared to play it again at the moment.
While most ero games are just that, erotic and nothing more, I'm sure there are many other titles similar to Crescendo and Kana: little sister that have yet to be translated into English.
So my question is this kj1980, what other games do you know that are similar? I will personally write to JastUSA to have them translated if I have to.
Well, seeing that several of you have mentioned "Crecendo," and "Kana~Imouto~," it seems that there is some company in your country who happen to focus on the better, story-centric D.O. games (in comparison to their earlier and hard-core games such as "Sensei" and "Injuu" series)
Several story-centric, heart warming ero-games from D.O. that may interest you then would be:
"Kazoku Keikaku" - a story about a group of misfits consisting of: a disheartened wife, a bankrupt businessman, teenage runaway, an illegal immigrant from China, a drug-dealer, a recluse artist, and a person who doesn't trust anyone (yourself) start a family on their own. Each people have their own problems, and they are fragile in their own way - but together you create a strong bond called family to get through hardships of life. (CD-ROM release: 2001/11, DVD-ROM release: 2002/12)
Other heart-warming school life ero-games from D.O. that pops up in my mind are:
"Hoshizora Planet," "Restore," "Yukizakura," and the most recent one: "Umi no Michi"
D.O.'s HP: http://www.do-game.co.jp/
boneyjellyfish
2004-06-07, 14:31
I'll try Mizuiro, D.C. and Kimi nozo ASAP. They seem to be very beautiful, but there are soooo many kanjis I don't know...
Though I actually imported the DVD version of Mizuiro a year ago or so, you can probably find it floating around the 'net somewhere. There is a translation project going for the DVD version, though it pretty much completely stopped after the Hiyori scenario ended. The project page for that is here (http://www.ayashii.com/mizuiro/trans.html).
One game translation that I'm looking forward to is the Wind translation that's being worked on. project page (http://eroshift.maburaho.net/).
Other heart-warming school life ero-games from D.O. that pops up in my mind are:
"Hoshizora Planet," "Restore," "Yukizakura," and the most recent one: "Umi no Michi"
I really didn't like the art style in Hoshizora Planet. I can't say a whole lot about the game, though.
Well, seeing that several of you have mentioned "Crecendo," and "Kana~Imouto~," it seems that there is some company in your country who happen to focus on the better, story-centric D.O. games (in comparison to their earlier and hard-core games such as "Sensei" and "Injuu" series)
They're translated by G-Collections, and sadly, those two are in a minority amongst their selection. Currently, G-Collections translate games from D.O., ZyX, Trabulance, Sekilala and Angelsmile, with the companies ZeroCool and Ignition being the newest addition (all CD-Bros companies?). The games they have translated so far are:
DOR (D.O.)
Kana - Imouto (D.O.)
Chain (ZyX)
Private Nurse (Angelsmile)
Tottemo Pheromone (Trabulance)
Sensei 2 (D.O.)
Tsuki - Possession (ZyX)
Do You Like Horny Bunnies? / H na Bunny-san wa Kirai? (ZyX)
Come See Me Tonight / Watashini Konya Ainikite (Sekilala)
Kango Shicyauzo 1 (and later the Voice Plus version) (Trabulance)
Kango Shicyauzo 2 (Trabulance)
Secret Wives Club / Hitozuma Hime Club (Sekilala)
Crescendo (D.O.)
I'm Gonna Serve You 4 / Tsukushite Agechau 4 (Trabulance)
Virgin Roster / Shukketsubo (ZyX)
Heart de Roommate (Angelsmile)
Do You Like Horny Bunnies? 2 (ZyX)
Jewel Knights: Crusaders (Zerocool)
Their next couple of announced games are:
Slave Pageant (Ignition) (I think the original title is "Shojyosettai")
Come See Me Tonight 2 (Sekilala)
Idols Galore! (Sekilala) (Can't remember the original title, but someone said it translated to "Calling all Idols!")
As you can see, games like Kana and Crescendo doesn't show up here all that often. Maybe they would if they sold better than the short games G-Collections usually work on, but since they don't...
Well, money talks. Apparently, its voice fails when games like Crescendo come over here.
Bullsquat
2004-06-07, 15:56
Actually Kana little sister is on the best seller list on several bishoujo game websites, for a while too, which is why it's easy for me to find the game. Also, from what I've heard, Three Sisters' Story, also a story-centric game is supposedly the best selling bishoujo game of all time.
You're right about Crescendo though. I'm shocked that it isn't selling as well as some of the more incongruous titles out there. I think it's all about getting the right amount of hype when releasing these games. Kana Little sister was able to feed off the hype upon its release and this is why its has been selling so well.
You're right about Crescendo though. I'm shocked that it isn't selling as well as some of the more incongruous titles out there. I think it's all about getting the right amount of hype when releasing these games. Kana Little sister was able to feed off the hype upon its release and this is why its has been selling so well.
Its a shame too, that title is what got me to change my opinion of ero-games. Unfortunately the ratio is in favor of the fetish titles and mindless sex romps over the story driven titles.
Well, seeing that several of you have mentioned "Crecendo," and "Kana~Imouto~," it seems that there is some company in your country who happen to focus on the better, story-centric D.O. games (in comparison to their earlier and hard-core games such as "Sensei" and "Injuu" series)
Several story-centric, heart warming ero-games from D.O. that may interest you then would be:
"Kazoku Keikaku" - a story about a group of misfits consisting of: a disheartened wife, a bankrupt businessman, teenage runaway, an illegal immigrant from China, a drug-dealer, a recluse artist, and a person who doesn't trust anyone (yourself) start a family on their own. Each people have their own problems, and they are fragile in their own way - but together you create a strong bond called family to get through hardships of life. (CD-ROM release: 2001/11, DVD-ROM release: 2002/12)
Other heart-warming school life ero-games from D.O. that pops up in my mind are:
"Hoshizora Planet," "Restore," "Yukizakura," and the most recent one: "Umi no Michi"
D.O.'s HP: http://www.do-game.co.jp/
Thanks for the info! :) Hopefully we will see more of those titles showing up here as well. I know theat G-Collections is looking into KGNE right now, hopefully we start getting more of the quality titles.
Bullsquat
2004-06-07, 19:47
The folks at G-Collection are sure very attentive to what gamers want. I gave them an e-mail just a while ago and they gave me the reply in an instant...
Hi,
Thank you very much for your interests in our games! We are glad that you enjoyed playing the games that you purchased from us! As for the game that you mentioned in your last e-mail ---" Kazoku Keikaku", its Japanese title can be roughly translated to "The Family Project". The game was released about 2 years ago by D.O.(Digital Object) The game has got an erotic incestual theme which is not very common among other Bishojo games in the market. Please visit the following link for more information regarding the game.
http://www.do-game.co.jp/index2.htm
It is possible that we translate and distribute "Kazoku Keikaku" in the future, but nothing has yet been confirmed.
G-Collections.com
support@g-collections.com
There you have it folks. Just talk to them and they'll listen. With more people gving them feedback, I'm sure they'll give you what you want eventually.
Maybe we should send em a wishlist of stuff? :D
I am surprised that they havent looked into translating some of the titles that have attatched anime titles. After all, if Shingetsutan Tsukihime is liscensed, it would be a awful lot of free advertising if they decided to translate the game.......
Just a thought. :)
I don't think they have the money to convince TYPE-MOON to license the game translation to them, and frankly, Tsukihime isn't the easiest thing to translate well...
I don't think they have the money to convince TYPE-MOON to license the game translation to them, and frankly, Tsukihime isn't the easiest thing to translate well...
None of the story driven games are easy, the amount of text in these games is just staggering. When you look at the amount of dialogue for each character, add all the possible plot branches and decision points, then multiply that by the number of main characters..... well its amazing that any of them get translated.
But if they can translate some of the other very complex titles, I dont think that it would be that hard to add Tsukihime to the list. I imagine its more of liscensing issue than anything else.
Honestly though, I do think that ero/bishoju games are in the same situation anime was a decade ago. There is a small group of afficanados driving the market, and not enough demand to warrant bigger companies from getting involved. I imagine as the anime derived from these games gets popular, and folkf find out about the game titles, then the interest level will increase as well. Look at how many folks talk about the KGNE game.
sarcasteak
2004-06-08, 11:19
I am thoroughly impress by how many ero/H games some of you have played or known...I myself have gone through like 15 tops and haven't remotely heard of most of those mentioned. My question is...did you guys actually buy every one of those games? PM me your response if necessary; I'm curious. :D
Bullsquat
2004-06-08, 12:40
I personally only have 2 games right now. I had 5 games, 3 of which I sold on ebay because they're not of my taste.
15 games? Now, that's a lot.
I only have 4, and 2 more on the way. I had a pretty negative view of ero-games until recently, so I am still very picky about titles. I dont think I will ever end up with a large number of titles, there just are not very many good ones availible in translation yet.
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-06-08, 13:38
I have about 6 Ero-games That I brought and I'm thinking about getting another one(Any suggestions?).And just like Arwyn I had a negative view about Hentai in general(not just the games.) until recently as well and I'm also pretty damn picky when it comes to Ero-games.But the thing with most of these Ero-games we play is of course NONE OF THEM ARE TRANSLATED(yet but maybe some day) and YOU HAVE TO KNOW JAPANESE.
Yes I do buy the games. In addition to the ero-games that I have mentioned, there are at least three boxes full of ero-games that is sleeping in my closet that I have bought since the PC-98XX days, and several more just lying around near my desk that seems to be really good, but just haven't had the time to play them yet.
I usually buy my ero-games at Sofmap in Akihabara, since they usually have the best extras for big ero-games. Take, for example, "CLANNAD" (although this isn't an ero-game since there are no ero-scenes in them) - they gave me a nice looking crystal neon lighted display.
But ero-games are not cheap. They almost always goes for a MSRP of 8800 yen. However, since Sofmap is a big store, so they do give a small discount as they add extras when you pre-order them. Heck, you can buy it at Amazon Japan for as much as 20% off on pre-ordered ero-games...but then I wouldn't be able to get the cool promotional extras that stores in Akihabara put together.
But, if I were to buy ero-games at the MSRP, I would be bankrupt by now. Used ero-game stores in Akihabara are quite a deal as they usually sell them at a reasonable price of around 4000-6000 yen, depending on popularity and how many weeks it has been since it was out. Also, if a certain ero-game had bad reviews and just plainly sucked, I can find those games in the "2000 yen or less" pile.
Say for example, Tactics' "Suzu Ga Utau Hi." This was the game that the remaining Tactics members released after the majority of creators for their hit game "ONE" broke off and made their own softhouse - Key. There were talks that this game isn't really worth to buy it at the 8800 yen. In its first day of sale, I already saw stores selling them as much as 20% off on this game. A week later, I bought the game when I saw it in the used pile bin for 1500 yen at a used store in Akihabara. Needless to say, this game was very bad.
And of course, there is no stopping people from buying the game, making an image of the game, and selling them back at above mentioned used game stores if it isn't worth to keep it. I can go and buy a certain "no-story, simple moe~" game such as "Maid-san Shi-Shi-" at a major retailer, create a FCD image on to my notebook PC, and resell it back to a used store within the hour and I get:
1. Buy the game at a retailer: pay 7800-8800 yen
2. Resell the game to used ero-game stores: get 4000-5000 yen back
3. Total cost: approx 3000 yen for the game
So, a simple approximation of my ero-games: somewhere around two-hundred titles.
But if they can translate some of the other very complex titles, I dont think that it would be that hard to add Tsukihime to the list. I imagine its more of liscensing issue than anything else.
The thing about Tsukihime is that I notice a lot more obscure references and/or puns than the typical visual novel length bishoujo games and thus may not translate as well.
Bullsquat
2004-06-08, 14:28
So, a simple approximation of my ero-games: somewhere around two-hundred titles.
Holy macro!! That even beats my DVD collection.
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-06-08, 15:51
200 Ero-game titles??!!! Whoa if I was still negative about this I would be calling you a big big HENTAI.But thats not the case.Although I am curious as to out of all those ero games you have which was the worst you played.
So, a simple approximation of my ero-games: somewhere around two-hundred titles.
.... I'm jealous now. I own only 21 games, all English (and yes, they are original). If I knew Japanese, however, that number would be far higher.
I wish G-Collections would translate something other than just the ADV games they stick to now. When Peach Princess finishes "Shield Gun Warrior SAKIGAKE", we'll at least have something different to play (like we did with Brave Soul). Little My Maid will come first, though, and it isn't a normal ADV either.
I'm curious as to how the fan-translation of "Men at Work 2" is going, whether it will actually be finished or not. The fan-translation of Kanon is proceeding slowly but surely, nearing 50% completion, I believe.
The fan-translation of Kanon is proceeding slowly but surely, nearing 50% completion, I believe.
That much? I'm impressed, it was a lot less the last time I looked.
I agree though, after check out some of the links and homepages for some of the other Japanese companies, there are a LOT of decent titles that we obviously are not seeing.
I'm curious as to how the fan-translation of "Men at Work 2" is going, whether it will actually be finished or not. The fan-translation of Kanon is proceeding slowly but surely, nearing 50% completion, I believe.
Haeleth released a 57% patch a few days ago :)
Nothing from the MAW2 group since January tho...
Wind ~a breath of heart~ is also progressing quite well.
Zephronite
2004-06-10, 02:42
Um, I would have to say Maiden Breeder 2. Raising rorinekos and roriinus are fun. And addictive. The game is a huge memory hog though. Long live Teatime!
Angela Sanctisstessa
2004-06-11, 09:04
darn it....i'm so jealous.....
u all played so many titles..21..200/omg
i have only played night demon and alma...
i have no acess to those games here in Malaysia..guess the government ban it...SCREW them!!!
i still have problem finding the memories off series thou it isn't a h-game
Favourite would be Kana, with Crescendo, Silver and Divi-Dead also very much appreciated. Would love to try a lot of the others mentioned, but don't have the requisite Japanese language skills unfortunately.
Ultradef
2004-06-11, 15:52
My first post :)
I've been watching this thread and I figure some of you guys may be able to make some recommendations to me. I haven't played many games in the last few years (I haven't gone to Japan much since '99). I'm looking for some sim/rpg ero-games, but I really haven't got a clue with all the new companies. While I do like story games, I was really a big fan of games like Dragon Knight 4, Toushin Toshi 2, Kichikuoh Rance and other wargames/RPGs. Are there any recent titles in the same vein?
Garylisk
2004-06-11, 17:39
Long ago, I got hooked on a H game called "Season of the Sakura" - but it's for DOS. It worked with some tweaking in Win98, but I don't think it'll work on 2K or XP... so it looks like it's lost forever. Unless someone finally makes a good XP dos emulator that'll run it.
In any case, it was a great game :)
Long ago, I got hooked on a H game called "Season of the Sakura" - but it's for DOS. It worked with some tweaking in Win98, but I don't think it'll work on 2K or XP... so it looks like it's lost forever. Unless someone finally makes a good XP dos emulator that'll run it.
In any case, it was a great game :)
なつかしすぎ。。。
Wasn't that the 1996 PC98 game from Tiara that so blatantly ripped-off characters from Neon Genesis Evangelion, Kaitou Saint Tail, and Magic Knight Rayearth? I was surprised that this wasn't pulled off the shelf nor was sued for copyright infringement.
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-06-12, 00:15
Season of the Sakura huh. I remember that game.Heres my opinion of it:
The knock offs are badly drawn.
The translated Dialogue was bad.
The characters aren't really funny.
the artwork is were bad and they looked even worse during the H scenes.
The "clicking on every option to move on" thing got really really annoying.
And the game is really boring and easily forgotten.
I understand its an old game but still this is what I had to say about it.
Omegatek2
2004-06-12, 00:22
I'd definitely go for Kimi ga Nozomu Eien... but I cant read it. But if we try we can change that (refer to my little crusade ^_^;)
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthread.php?t=14330
Kana ~Imouto was pretty good too, and I think I'll try crescendo too.
Carrackus
2004-06-12, 00:28
Bravesoul :)
Long ago, I got hooked on a H game called "Season of the Sakura" - but it's for DOS. It worked with some tweaking in Win98, but I don't think it'll work on 2K or XP... so it looks like it's lost forever. Unless someone finally makes a good XP dos emulator that'll run it.
In any case, it was a great game :)
JAST USA Memorial Collection; with improved Windows (XP compatible) versions of Season of the Sakura, 3 Sisters Story and Runaway City, $25 + shipping.
なつかしすぎ。。。
Wasn't that the 1996 PC98 game from Tiara that so blatantly ripped-off characters from Neon Genesis Evangelion, Kaitou Saint Tail, and Magic Knight Rayearth? I was surprised that this wasn't pulled off the shelf nor was sued for copyright infringement.
Indeed.
GINIRO(silver) by nekoneko soft have been ENGLISH SUB
but none talk about it there? @_@
http://www.din.or.jp/~nekoneko/title/GinIro/index.htm
My first post :)
I've been watching this thread and I figure some of you guys may be able to make some recommendations to me. I haven't played many games in the last few years (I haven't gone to Japan much since '99). I'm looking for some sim/rpg ero-games, but I really haven't got a clue with all the new companies. While I do like story games, I was really a big fan of games like Dragon Knight 4, Toushin Toshi 2, Kichikuoh Rance and other wargames/RPGs. Are there any recent titles in the same vein?
You might be interested in what Studio e.go! has been doing. Their games tend to be less of a visual novel and feature slightly more gameplay. For example, Vagrants is an RPG (the non-H stuff is pretty good, I just didn't like the H stuff. Looked like they just stuck it in because they needed an H-game)
Dementium
2004-06-14, 10:55
Well....i won't get dragged into that war of wors...:)
But i found crescendo to be really nice...especially the Yuka storyline...that was really sad...
Kango shicyauzo 2 is ok too
had some really funny dialogues.....
But my fave is still true love....a VERY old game:)
Lina Inverse
2004-06-15, 22:41
Due to the bad avaiability of H-games over here, I haven't played much of them :heh:
Here's my little list:
Tokimeki Check-In
Legend of Fairies
Fairy Nights
Private Nurse
X-Change
DarkCntry
2004-06-16, 02:22
Currently, considering I don't really play the games often, I'd have to say KGNE (gee, who would've thought that :P)...I just love being able to control the flow of one of my favorite animes in a way that I feel it should go.
One day I may want to be with Haruka, another Mitsuki, and then maybe on another Ayu is my choice :P Can't beat that :)
Sadly I would've rathered it be a non ero so there was more of a chance of an english translation...it gets pretty difficult to go on broken Japanese and Engrish :P Not to mention I "fast-foward" most of the h-scenes anyways. :heh:
Zephronite
2004-06-16, 02:25
Scratch that. Pure Pure is my favourite game now. Nekomimi and inumimi calling you 'Goshudin-sama', man this game is moe moe overload.
Small screenie.
http://sapporo.cool.ne.jp/zephro/pp2.JPG
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-06-16, 02:31
Small screenie.
http://sapporo.cool.ne.jp/zephro/pp2.JPG
Hmmm Lolicon alert Lolicon alert.
And about Kimi ga Nozomu's Translatons I feel it would be best if a Censored AND an Uncensored version was released. That way the censored version could be easily brought in stores.(I bet there would be a whole lot of "What the hell is this" Comments aimed directly at the game if someone were to find it in a place like Gamestop.)And the uncensored can be used for people who doesn't have a problem with a lil bit of H in their games and feel more confortable with ordering.
DarkCntry
2004-06-16, 02:38
Hmmm Lolicon alert Lolicon alert.
And about Kimi ga Nozomu's Translatons I feel it would be best if a Censored AND an Uncensored version was released. That way the censored version could be easily brought in stores.(I bet there would be a whole lot of "What the hell is this" Comments aimed directly at the game if someone were to find it in a place like Gamestop.)And the uncensored can be used for people who doesn't have a problem with a lil bit of H in their games and feel more confortable with ordering.
If only that were to happen though...sadly with the US's outlook on adult games, geeze, you're hard-pressed to go a day without hearing of some M-rated game causing another kid to shoot his classmate... Considering the ESRB, AO would be the rating KGNE would get and unfortunetly, that's a death sentence here...as there are no game retailers who will sell AO games. That's why I figured a censored, h-sceneless version, would be the only viable way to see it sold state-side :(
And about Kimi ga Nozomu's Translatons I feel it would be best if a Censored AND an Uncensored version was released. That way the censored version could be easily brought in stores.(I bet there would be a whole lot of "What the hell is this" Comments aimed directly at the game if someone were to find it in a place like Gamestop.)And the uncensored can be used for people who doesn't have a problem with a lil bit of H in their games and feel more confortable with ordering. You don't seem to know the difference between censored and uncensored :p
If a non h-version is released, they'll just cut all the h-scene and that's not really called censoring :D
As for my current favorite h-game it would be Turupeta, I have something for rpgs :p
cercia_highelf
2004-06-16, 08:05
Hi
I love Castle Fantasia, and all Studio Ego stuff because it's drawn by Kazue!!!!
bluemist
2004-06-16, 08:14
Censored: It's the original Japanese version of the ero-game. Apparently Japan has certain rules which disallow showing of 'some' parts of the body, and so ero-games all have censorship.
Uncensored: It's when an American company ports the ero-game for the American audience. They apparently uncensor those parts.
Non-H: It's when the ero-game gets ported over to the consoles.
As far as I can see, because of the US making the ero-games even more erotic by uncensoring it, I don't think they have the guts to reverse the process and removing all the H content.
Angela Sanctisstessa
2004-06-16, 08:32
Zephronite
we live in the same country....where can i buy those games??
Zephronite
2004-06-16, 09:55
Zephronite
we live in the same country....where can i buy those games??
Err, as you know, they aren't available for purchase here. I get mine through 'alternate means'.
I really should know better than to feed the troll (who'll probably get the post deleted for off-topic again, and maybe this one too), but I'd like to compare "real game" gamers to "ero-game" gamers:
http://www.cliparthost.com/accounts/sniperscope/AG3s/GTA.jpg
This was taken a few minutes ago by myself (yes, I DO play "real" games too). I've just slaughtered almost every guest at my club with a chainsaw. YEAH!!! I'm a REAL gamer now! Notice those little drops of blood on the camera lens? Hehehehehehe..... :D
http://www.cliparthost.com/accounts/sniperscope/Kana/SKana07.jpg http://www.cliparthost.com/accounts/sniperscope/Kana/SKana08.jpg
http://www.cliparthost.com/accounts/sniperscope/Kana/SKana05.jpg http://www.cliparthost.com/accounts/sniperscope/Kana/SKana02.jpg
Now THIS is some pretty sick stuff!! Would you look at that crap? Those two people seem to LOVE each other!! Sick bastards, if you ask me. I'm sure they'll even have SEX some time later. I'd prove it, but I can't post such extremely gross and sick pictures of it due to forum rules (not that it matters, there are only a few of them in the entire game). Needless to say, any gamer who indulges in stuff like this should be thrown in a mental hospital, and the key to the cell should be promptly tossed into the Atlantic Ocean afterwards.
95% or more of the stuff written above was sarcasm, just for the record.
Anyway, to stay somewhat on-topic:
I noticed kvant mentioning Brave Soul.
Brave Soul was one of my most anticipated ero-games. In mainstream gaming, RPG is one of my most favorite genres. I was thrilled at the thought of an ero-game which also was an RPG, as opposed to the same old ADV games we usually get. Of course, I wasn't expecting the RPG system to be remotely as good as Final Fantasy is (IMO), but it would be a refreshing change regardless.
Too bad it kept crashing after every other mission (which I solved after a few months and much angst). Anyway, I felt the combination of bishoujo/ero and RPG wasn't all that great in this game. Despite its non-linearity, repeating the same dungeons several times (to get all the girls' endings) wasn't all that fun since the RPG system is pretty primitive (aka boring). Also, the different girls' events tended to be a little too short for the amount of work you had to do before getting them. By all means, they weren't bad or anything, just too few and too short (mostly).
I hold greater hopes for Shield Gun Warrior SAKIGAKE. I'm not saying Brave Soul was bad, quite the contrary; I did enjoy it. But I know it can be done better, and I'm hoping we'll see that not too far into the future.
DarkCntry
2004-06-16, 11:09
You don't seem to know the difference between censored and uncensored :p
If a non h-version is released, they'll just cut all the h-scene and that's not really called censoring :D
As for my current favorite h-game it would be Turupeta, I have something for rpgs :p
Actually, what I meant was that for it to be sold in most retail outlets, it would require them to remove all h-content, otherwise you're not going to find it on the shelves anywhere. I know that a lot of ero games released here are uncensored with the removal of mosaic, but I have yet to see them sold in any brick & mortar store.
What I am trying to get at is that there's too many forces in high places in the states that keeps things like this from getting sold.
And AG3, feeding the trolls could probably be more fruitful than leaving them alone, especially when they show the total lack of intelligence by making asinine posts :P
Actually, what I meant was that for it to be sold in most retail outlets, it would require them to remove all h-content, otherwise you're not going to find it on the shelves anywhere. I know that a lot of ero games released here are uncensored with the removal of mosaic, but I have yet to see them sold in any brick & mortar store.
What I am trying to get at is that there's too many forces in high places in the states that keeps things like this from getting sold.
And AG3, feeding the trolls could probably be more fruitful than leaving them alone, especially when they show the total lack of intelligence by making asinine posts :P I was just pointing out on the fact that it wasn't really censoring :)
As for selling the games, most companies that are translating those sorts of games can sell them online, that's what the Internet is for :D
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-06-18, 22:22
As for selling the games, most companies that are translating those sorts of games can sell them online, that's what the Internet is for
That is correct but the thing with that is you need a Credit Card and the wait can be annoying.But if you have patience and a credit card to use then your fine.Remember people you can also order stuff online and not just count on stores.
Anyone here played Fate/Stay Night? The fighting scenes r sooo cool. But the game has only very little H, 95% r fighting and running and summoning.
The url is: www.typemoon.com/fate
http://img76.photobucket.com/albums/v231/tigerbest/slash.jpg
EvoSpace
2004-06-19, 03:28
My all time favorite is Utawarerumono (http://leaf.aquaplus.co.jp/product/uta.htm). It just has a perfect combination of story, characters, artworks, and even gameplay to my likes. It would have been a perfect game only if it had voice...
Then my favorite genre is the darker action adventures like Tsukihime (http://www.typemoon.com), Fate / Stay Night (http://www.typemoon.com/fate/), Demon Bane (http://www.demonbane.com/), and Phantom of Inferno (http://www.digiturbo.co.jp/entertainment/phantom_dvd/dvd_Sce.html). I also recently played a demo of a game called Paradise Lost (http://www.dark.co.jp/light/products/plost/); thought it was awesome.
And some of the classics I loved are:
Dragon Knight 4, Eve Burst Error. Kizuato, Moon, Wordsworth, Toujin Toshi 2
For me right now, as with most Japanese ero-gamers, are highly anticipating NekoNeko-Soft's newest game "Lamune" (http://www.din.or.jp/~nekoneko/game.htm) which will be due out next month...
Anyone know if there will be a second volume to Fate/Stay Night, i really disliked the True End.
Anyone know if there will be a second volume to Fate/Stay Night, i really disliked the True End.
i think the end is good
wanna be a hero? wanna save everyone? that's impossibile
you cant save sakura and saber together.....
DarkCntry
2004-06-19, 21:57
Well I just finished up Snow Drop...good strong story, a bit more repetitive than I would've liked, but overall the game itself isn't too bad.
I loved the OP/ED and the seiyuu's fit the characters nicely. Be warned, h-scenes aren't really that high in quantity until you start getting the "True" days. I believe there's only 4 sets of true H-scenes, the rest would go towards the more high-end ecchi.
But at least it's consentual and fitting to the story :) And the two totally seperate "Best" endings really contrast one-another.
I've got Kana and Chain up on deck to try out...I'm more of the story-driven ero player if you haven't already noticed ;) H-scenes are the just not the top of my must have list :P
Anyone know if there will be a second volume to Fate/Stay Night, i really disliked the True End.
Actually, I liked that end. Artoria finally had her peace and it could've been better than any other way. Granted it isn't a happy ending for Shiro, but it is a true end much like it was in Tsukihime. True ends are not necessarily happy like in Hollywood.
In a sense though, if TYPE-MOOn decides to do a fan disk like Kagetsu-Touya (which i am certain they will), they will do it from the perspective of Rin's Happy End since that is the ending where (except for Iria) everyone is happy and alive.
Never cared about Sakura or Rin in anyway, just totally loathed the scene that i had to kill Saber with my own hands, man that hurt that hell.
kj1980: sorry if i talk a retard, but what is a fan disk?
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-06-20, 04:02
A game Disc made by fans Maybe? Or maybe a special version of a game made especially for the fans because of popular demand? I think its one of those. Kj or someone else will have to confirm thou.
A game Disc made by fans Maybe? Or maybe a special version of a game made especially for the fans because of popular demand? I think its one of those. Kj or someone else will have to confirm thou. It would be more like the second one I guess :)
I don't think fan could make a game anyway or else they should start their own company :D
dreamless
2004-06-20, 05:45
Actually I think a lot of the stuffs in a fan-disk could be fan-made. Like little stories written and submitted by fans and some art drawn by fans. Those stuffs are mostly not counted as official thus there could be some very stupid and/or hilarious things inside :p
For Fate/stay night, all hail to Sasaki Kojiro! :D
http://img66.photobucket.com/albums/v200/dreamless_lavos/sasaki_pic.jpg
If it's made by fans, then IMO, it wouldnt worth much...
For Fate/stay night, all hail to Sasaki Kojiro!
Step aside, i rule. ;P
http://img76.photobucket.com/albums/v231/tigerbest/Lightning.jpg
DarkCntry
2004-06-20, 08:37
Heh, to bring some levity to this thread again....literally just finished Kana and I'm really wondering why these style games have got to have the best storylines. The depth and connection within Kana has done what only KGNE has ever done to me, actually caused me to sit here bawling like a 3 year old....
I don't know, maybe I'm a glutton for punishment for these types of things...despite the obvious 'incest' issues with this game I'd so love to see something more come of this story...kinda like Kanon and KGNE's success. Hell, even that issue isn't overdrawn in this game as most and it doesn't seem as the wrong taboo...I find myself feeling quite odd by lessening that issue :P
Anyways, for anyone who hasn't played Kana, if you can withstand the emotional torment of it, I suggest playing it.
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-06-20, 09:06
Heh, to bring some levity to this thread again....literally just finished Kana and I'm really wondering why these style games have got to have the best storylines. The depth and connection within Kana has done what only KGNE has ever done to me, actually caused me to sit here bawling like a 3 year old....
I don't know, maybe I'm a glutton for punishment for these types of things...despite the obvious 'incest' issues with this game I'd so love to see something more come of this story...kinda like Kanon and KGNE's success. Hell, even that issue isn't overdrawn in this game as most and it doesn't seem as the wrong taboo...I find myself feeling quite odd by lessening that issue :P
Anyways, for anyone who hasn't played Kana, if you can withstand the emotional torment of it, I suggest playing it.
Hmmm is Kana that sad? I heard theres no voiceovers in the game at all and to me hearing the emotion behind the voices combined with the music and Melodys adds to the drama in these types of game. But if theres good music in the game that would still make me feel sad then thats good enough. Oh that reminds me wasn't there supposed to be a X-box version of Kana coming out? Whatever happened to it?
DarkCntry
2004-06-20, 09:13
Hmmm is Kana that sad? I heard theres no voiceovers in the game at all and to me hearing the emotion behind the voices combined with the music and Melodys adds to the drama in these types of game. But if theres good music in the game that would still make me feel sad then thats good enough. Oh that reminds me wasn't there supposed to be a X-box version of Kana coming out? Whatever happened to it?
Well it's sad if you pay attention to the expressions, the lack of verbal dialog does hinder it a bit, but getting past that reading the words while noticing the visible expressions, all backed up by a very grabbing score...it worked.
As for the X-Box version, yes, there is one out somewhere, I saw it on a site the other day while I was in seach of the OST for it....The music alone is what I think did it for me with the lack of verbal dialog.
Hmmm.....I've only played 2 H games in my whole life and they were all stupid and boring.
X-change and Tokimeki Check-IN...I'm sorry to offend the people who liked them...I just find the girls totally unattractive and the story extremely lame and cheesy. Flame me if you want it's my opinion anyways your flames wont change what I think.
After I've seen the Tsukihime anime I was a bit surprised that an anime based on an H game could have such a great story (although I find quite a few plot holes and all). So i started to pay attention to H games again.
Unfortunately I could never find the Tsukihime game....so i gave up and started to look for Fate/Stay Night.
How do you play Fate/Stay Night? Is it like...another one of those click and read games (like X-change) or is like....RPG? Action? Is the story spectacular or is it just lots of fight and very little H scenes? Is it licensed...? Would it be illegal if I asked where you find your copy?
How do you play Fate/Stay Night? Is it like...another one of those click and read games (like X-change) or is like....RPG? Action? Is the story spectacular or is it just lots of fight and very little H scenes? Is it licensed...? Would it be illegal if I asked where you find your copy? I didn't play it myself but it seems like somewhat a combat h-game although I'm sure anyone who would have played it might tell you more and if I'm right or wrong :)
As for the links, they are not allowed, so you've got 2 choices : Buy it or search it yourself :D
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-06-20, 15:28
All I gotta say about X-change is.......PART 1 SUCKED!! The way the H-scenes were displayed disgusted me especially the BUS scene.The artwork also didn't do it for me either. X-change 2 was alot better then part 1 in my opinion.In X-change 2 the artwork was a little better and their wasn't....too much Unnessecary H scenes and I actually liked how the story was told compared to part 1.
How do you play Fate/Stay Night? Is it like...another one of those click and read games (like X-change) or is like....RPG? Action? Is the story spectacular or is it just lots of fight and very little H scenes? Is it licensed...? Would it be illegal if I asked where you find your copy?
Yep, click and read, so if u cant read Jap, it'd suck like hell.
Right again! 95% Combat+almost no H scenes.
Licensed huh...well of course it is.
Go look for it urself, but er...u may not be able to find it on Eng sites. ANyways, good luck ;P
Unfortunately I could never find the Tsukihime game....so i gave up and started to look for Fate/Stay Night.
How do you play Fate/Stay Night? Is it like...another one of those click and read games (like X-change) or is like....RPG? Action? Is the story spectacular or is it just lots of fight and very little H scenes? Is it licensed...? Would it be illegal if I asked where you find your copy?
It is highly unlikely that you will find a copy of Tsukihime (unless a CD image on the internet) since it was a doujin game. The actual Tsukihime game is hard to find even in Japan, and it sells for a whopping 30,000+ yen on Yahoo Auction now.
As for games, no I actually buy these games at my local Sofmap and stores in Akihabara. I can't help you where foreigners can buy their games that sells internationally, but some people in the past have suggested a place called himeyasoft and fromnippon.com
Never cared about Sakura or Rin in anyway, just totally loathed the scene that i had to kill Saber with my own hands, man that hurt that hell.
kj1980: sorry if i talk a retard, but what is a fan disk?
A fan disc is something like an append disc that many softhouses sell once they notice that a game has had tremendous success. Something as a "thank you" appreciation to fans, these special games are sold relatively cheap and have tons of extras and mini games, wallpapers, musics, and the like packed into a CD-ROM.
Some fan discs are hard to find since they only give those out to members of the softhouse fan members (which you can join for an annual fee).
Some fan discs are sold only as a limited edition at special conventions such as Comic Market.
And others are sold as regular ero-games in stores at a feasible price of 2000-4000 yen (whereas a normal ero-game can cost 6000-8800 yen).
What is inside the game varies from softhouse to softhouse. Some may give out a glimpse of the upcoming games (as Age did in "Kimi ga Nozomu Eien Gaiden~ Akane Maniax - Nagareboshi Densetsu Gohda," which showed a preview of "MuvLuv"). Some softhouses pack several past games into one tremendous minigame (which Leaf is known for as they did in "Aruru to Asobo" which includes side stories, mini games, and tons of extras from "Routes," "Utawarerumono," and "Tenshi no Inai 12gatsu"). Or some softhouses just give a special scenario that people can play which maybe an after story of the game you've just played (as CIRCUS did in "D.C.~Da capo~ White Season")
Why did I say TYPE-MOON is probably working on a fan disc for "Fate/stay night?" Well, because of two reasons: they did that for "Tsukihime" when they were still a doujin group with the "fun" disc game titled "Kagetsu Touya," and two, because Mr. Nasu Kinoko apparently gave out hints that they are probably working on one in the results of the "favorite character poll" for "Fate/stay night" on their HP - "Man, I never knew Ilya would get such high ratings! Maybe in the fun disc, we'd have to put in her scenario that was cut off from the original game..."
Man, I never knew Iria would get such high ratings! Maybe in the fun disc, we'd have to put in her scenario that was cut off from the original game...
o.O yada~ that girl's a demon...(Gomen to all Ilya fans, is it ILYA or IRIA?)
Hmm...if there really is going to be a fan disk, is it possible to get it on BT?
dreamless
2004-06-21, 12:46
I LOVE ILYA (I think it's ILYA is on the official website)!!!! but then I'm not really that enthusiastic about an Ilya scenario...
on the topic of tsukihime, anyone has any idea what are the stories in the current games considered canon? Are Kagetsu Touya, Melty Blood and Melty Blood Re Act considered part of the official storyline in Tuskihime universe?
Mr_Paper
2004-06-21, 13:16
Aside from probably every game ever made by KEY, I'd say some of my favorites are:
To Heart
Mizuiro
D.C.~Da Capo~
Kana~Imouto~
Kazoku Keikaku
Comic Party
Inagawa de Ikou!
Wind-a Breath of Heart-
Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien
MuvLuv
Phatom~Phantom of Inferno~
... and the list goes on ...
A some of my older favorites would be:
Custom Mate 3
Lovers
True Love
VR Date - May Club Gogatsu Kuchibi
Abunai Bunkasai
Ningyo -Rako-
Only You
Three Sister Story
Nocturnal Illusion
DiviDead
Ah, the glory days of the PC-98XX system... how I miss them. >.>;
With the remake of Lovers out I'll probably have something to do for a while. ;)
I LOVE ILYA (I think it's ILYA is on the official website)!!!! but then I'm not really that enthusiastic about an Ilya scenario...
on the topic of tsukihime, anyone has any idea what are the stories in the current games considered canon? Are Kagetsu Touya, Melty Blood and Melty Blood Re Act considered part of the official storyline in Tuskihime universe?
Ilya's full name is: Ilyasviel von Einzbern
Well actually, Ilya's scenario was originally in the story, but TYPE-MOON decided to cut it seeing that the game will become too long as it already was.
As for "Tsukihime universe," they are more likely to be considered to be part of Kinoko-world (the author's imaginative world). Hence they all revolve under Kinoko's definitions of "mahou" vs. "majutsu" and "mahoutsukai" vs. "majutsushi." You can say that most of TYPE-MOON (Kinoko/Takeuchi collaborations) all somewhat involve related characters. For example:
"Kara no Kyoukai novel" - notable references: Ryougi Shiki, Fujou Kirie, Aozaki Touko, Araya Souren
"Tsukihime" reference to above novel:
A. Nanaya family is similar to the Ryougi family that they both are clans that kill "things of un-human nature."
B. Kohaku and Hisui were brought over from the Fujou family to control Tohno family curse
C. Shiki's "sensei" who gave him his glasses is Aozaki Aoko - the younger sister of Aozaki Touko. While Touko couldn't become a "mahoutsukai," Aoko did.
D. Roa mentions in one part "that majutsushi 'Araya' " in one certain episode
Technically since Tsukihime's official end is Arcueid's "true end" in which she goes away (as seen in the anime as well) it isn't possible that "Kagetsu Touya," "MELTY BLOOD" and "MELTY BLOOD ReACT" actually falls into the timeline. As Mr. Kinoko explained, stories in Getcha (PLUS-DISC) and Kagetsu Touya is somewhat like an all inclusive storyline in which Shiki has gone through all the characters and all the stories. Yes, yes, I know that can't happen in real life, but it's more fun and you can do more that way.
dreamless
2004-06-21, 15:16
well, what I'm really wondering is that will there be a consistent official timeline/chronology in the tsukihime universe/Kinoko-world... it seems there won't be one I guess... I've seen many fan-made consistent timelines (most with Arcueid staying) for fanfics and such but of course they are not official...
MidoriShinobi
2004-06-21, 16:06
I'm currently trying to beat VR Date - May Club Gogatsu Kuchibi..
I love ero-bishoujo games, though.. (is a closet pervert)
They're so cute. Nothing wrong with a girl liking hentai, is there? :D
One of my favourites was True Love. There was actual movement.
Mr_Paper
2004-06-21, 19:42
I'm currently trying to beat VR Date - May Club Gogatsu Kuchibi..
I love ero-bishoujo games, though.. (is a closet pervert)
They're so cute. Nothing wrong with a girl liking hentai, is there? :D
One of my favourites was True Love. There was actual movement.Heh.
I loved Custom Mate 3. You have to play an entire year (365 days) through the game and keep your wife happy without cheating on her. ^^; It seems easy until your boss says you won't get that raise you need so you can afford to eat lunch everyday unless you go drinking with him. Next thing you know your wasted and the ladies wont leave you alone. By far though, the best part is when you wife gets moody and makes you sleep on the couch. :heh:
Heh.
I loved Custom Mate 3. You have to play an entire year (365 days) through the game and keep your wife happy without cheating on her. ^^; It seems easy until your boss says you won't get that raise you need so you can afford to eat lunch everyday unless you go drinking with him. Next thing you know your wasted and the ladies wont leave you alone. By far though, the best part is when you wife gets moody and makes you sleep on the couch. :heh:
Actually that is a real dillemma for Japanese salarymen. I can't count how many times I have had to go out drinking with my boss as part of "social duty" after work when I want to come home.
Like I said before, Japan is a crappy society when it comes down to what restrictions that your boss can place on you even after work - and if you refuse, you can be reprimanded and you have little say what to do. Mandatory overtime, mandatory "after hour" service and socialization with your co-workers, etc etc. And the same shit happens day after day. All I want to do is clock out at 5:00PM, return home, take a nice shower and relax. But no...my boss expects me to work well into 6-7PM, expects me and my co-workers to go out with him to drink and eat at the local izakaya, etc. etc. Why the fuck should I have to pay for beer (which I abhor since I hate barley) and food when I didn't want to come here in the first place? It's because I don't want to get fired nor reprimanded on my job.
Such things are one of the main reasons (other than I don't have any special someone) that I don't see myself being married anytime soon... I've seen my father come home drunk from work because he was forced to by his superiors while my mother was waiting past 11PM countless of times and it isn't a good sight to see.
Why do I keep on living this life? Perhaps, as I said before, is because I have an escape from reality - anime and ero-games.
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-06-21, 21:23
Whoa Kj1980 thank you for that detailed explanation on the faults of being a Salaryman in Japan. That was a new subject for me and I thought it was very Educational. By the way are those same rules you mentioned before the same for OfficeLadies(OL)?
And Custom Mate 3 sounds interesting.Could someone explain to me what its about and what its like? Any idea where I can get it?
Mr_Paper
2004-06-21, 22:54
And Custom Mate 3 sounds interesting.Could someone explain to me what its about and what its like? Any idea where I can get it?"One night going home, you see a place called Custom Mate. Wondering what the store is, you walk in. In front of you appears this girl. You soon find out that this store is just like the name "custom mate". You can customize your mate. You choose what kind of girl you like: her hairstyle, her figure and even her "experience". You and your mate gets married and thus starts your life being married."
The basic premise of the game is very much different from most ero games. Instead of trying to sleep with as many women as possible, you have to remain faithful to your wife. If you stay out late drinking, she gives you the cold shoulder treatment. Forget to complement her too much and she becomes angry, etc. It's really quite different form most ero games out there in that it portrays you wife as a pleasant virtious woman and all the women who try to seduce you as cheap street walkers. Of course, it also helps that you determine your wifes appearence, age, personality, sexual experience, etc. ;)
Don't misunderstand, this is still very much an ero game. It is possible to sleep with your wife nearly every night of the game... if she's in the mood. But there is a catch hidden within the statistic system of the game. Everyday there are certain things you must do to earn points. They could be things like telling your wife you'll be home late then suprising her by coming home early, saying she looks beautiful or even talking to her after dinner. These points build up her personality, temperment and tolerance. However, sleeping with her reduces these points and she can get very mad very quickly in the game. Of course, if you don't sleep with her for long enough she'll get desprite and offer herself to you.
Anyway, there is a very good review of the game here: http://www.densetsu.com/display.php?id=452&style=alphabetical
Unfortunately, the game has been out of print for some time now and is very hard to find by conventional means. The most I can say is, good luck hunting.
[Edit: After some digging, it seems I still have the original game disks. Now I just have to see if they still work... ^^;]
Actually that is a real dillemma for Japanese salarymen. I can't count how many times I have had to go out drinking with my boss as part of "social duty" after work when I want to come home.
Like I said before, Japan is a crappy society when it comes down to what restrictions that your boss can place on you even after work - and if you refuse, you can be reprimanded and you have little say what to do. Mandatory overtime, mandatory "after hour" service and socialization with your co-workers, etc etc. And the same shit happens day after day. All I want to do is clock out at 5:00PM, return home, take a nice shower and relax. But no...my boss expects me to work well into 6-7PM, expects me and my co-workers to go out with him to drink and eat at the local izakaya, etc. etc. Why the fuck should I have to pay for beer (which I abhor since I hate barley) and food when I didn't want to come here in the first place? It's because I don't want to get fired nor reprimanded on my job.
Such things are one of the main reasons (other than I don't have any special someone) that I don't see myself being married anytime soon... I've seen my father come home drunk from work because he was forced to by his superiors while my mother was waiting past 11PM countless of times and it isn't a good sight to see.
Why do I keep on living this life? Perhaps, as I said before, is because I have an escape from reality - anime and ero-games.
Wow, I guess thats the one thing thats the same no matter where you go. At least I never had to socialize with my boss after work. While you can get stuck working the crappy hours (exempt employee status SUCKS) your boss cant force you to hang out with him after hours. Hell my last boss would have liked it if we had, since we couldnt stand him.
But I'm in the same boat as you on the lifestyle thing. After getting laid off just before 9/11, I am working a job for 1/3rd of what I used to make, in a dying town in the middle of nowhere. So I to go for the anime/games route and contemplate where to find a woman that doesnt weigh 300 pounds or have 4 kids. (Note to you kids reading, 30ish and single sucks, you were warned!) :)
After finally trying some of the ero-games, I have liked most of the one I have tried, but its pretty obvious that to really get into the market, you must know Japanese, and where I am, thats not going to happen except by self-study. :(
I do find its interesting that the ero-games I have seen have so much tied up into the story and characters, which is NOT like most conventional games. Not that I dont think there have been good games here, but it is interesting to compare the focus on story vs flash that these two genres have.
As alienating and lonely as modern society is, it is surprising that these types of games havent been more popular here yet. I guess time will tell.
Mr_Paper
2004-06-22, 10:18
Actually that is a real dillemma for Japanese salarymen. I can't count how many times I have had to go out drinking with my boss as part of "social duty" after work when I want to come home.
Like I said before, Japan is a crappy society when it comes down to what restrictions that your boss can place on you even after work - and if you refuse, you can be reprimanded and you have little say what to do. Mandatory overtime, mandatory "after hour" service and socialization with your co-workers, etc etc. And the same shit happens day after day. All I want to do is clock out at 5:00PM, return home, take a nice shower and relax. But no...my boss expects me to work well into 6-7PM, expects me and my co-workers to go out with him to drink and eat at the local izakaya, etc. etc. Why the fuck should I have to pay for beer (which I abhor since I hate barley) and food when I didn't want to come here in the first place? It's because I don't want to get fired nor reprimanded on my job.
Such things are one of the main reasons (other than I don't have any special someone) that I don't see myself being married anytime soon... I've seen my father come home drunk from work because he was forced to by his superiors while my mother was waiting past 11PM countless of times and it isn't a good sight to see.
Why do I keep on living this life? Perhaps, as I said before, is because I have an escape from reality - anime and ero-games.While I know that that is the reality of the the situation, I found it somewhat humourous that a game designed to be an escape from reality would have such elements in it. It is like trying to escape from reality into reality itself; giving one a certain feeling of detachment from reality. While most games in the genre are designed to be fanciful escapes, this game was more realistic in the monotinous day to day chores you had to complete. In most games you don't have to worry about if you'll get a bonus during a month or if you'll have enough money to pay the bills, eat and still take your wife on that trip you promised her.
It's probably because of these things that I love the game so much. With the obvious exception of having your ideal woman, there is very little of the game that is fantasy.
I tend to stay more leaf/aquaplus based.
*such the leaf fan-girl*
http://www.naughtygamepictures.com/naughtypicture.jpg
hehehe
Ummm... You know that posting pics like that are against the forum rules, right? Right?
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-06-27, 01:35
That was....inappropriate and unnessecary. And it completely goes againest what I was trying to talk about in this topic.
Actually that is a real dillemma for Japanese salarymen. I can't count how many times I have had to go out drinking with my boss as part of "social duty" after work when I want to come home.
I count my blessings that I don't have to do this sort of thing if it's not something of interest to me. The hours are still rather bad, but at least once I leave the office, that's usually it till the next day.
I wonder if I can find a copy of "Custom Mate 3" floating about somewhere. Its premise sounds different and rather interesting.
Back onto topic, looking at "Fate/Stay Night" at the moment, but pushed to the back burner for now. Have also "Canvas 2" and "Yami to Boushi to Hon no Tabibito" waiting in the wings. Again, when I have time. :p
DarkCntry
2004-06-28, 15:16
Actually I found a copy of Custom Mate 3, unfortunetly it will not function on a system running XP, even while in compatability mode. Unless someone can find a way to register one of the dll files that it requires (which will not register), we're kinda stuck on the matter.
On a related note to the topic, I finished up Chain the other day, another quality release. Albeit the story is linear and only recieves one ending, it's still a very strong and fairly dramatic story. Good twist on an old Detective story...the translation was a bit rough but I could at least get the gest of what the story was. So far that's 4 G-Collection localized games that I can actually recommend.
Actually I found a copy of Custom Mate 3, unfortunetly it will not function on a system running XP, even while in compatability mode. Unless someone can find a way to register one of the dll files that it requires (which will not register), we're kinda stuck on the matter.
On a related note to the topic, I finished up Chain the other day, another quality release. Albeit the story is linear and only recieves one ending, it's still a very strong and fairly dramatic story. Good twist on an old Detective story...the translation was a bit rough but I could at least get the gest of what the story was. So far that's 4 G-Collection localized games that I can actually recommend. If you're speaking of a Japanese game, the best way is to try to put your whole OS in Japanese like this :
In config pannel, go to Regional and Language settings
Go to the advanced tab and put Japanese instead of whatever default language you're using
Go to the previous tab and put your hours/money settings in Japanese too.
Restart your computer.
Try putting your game CD again to install it, it should work that way :)
DarkCntry
2004-06-28, 18:34
If you're speaking of a Japanese game, the best way is to try to put your whole OS in Japanese like this :
In config pannel, go to Regional and Language settings
Go to the advanced tab and put Japanese instead of whatever default language you're using
Go to the previous tab and put your hours/money settings in Japanese too.
Restart your computer.
Try putting your game CD again to install it, it should work that way :)
No, actually Custom Mate 3 itself will not function on 2k/XP machines :)
As I also have a copy of XPj (which is the Japanese edition :)) for when I need to play my Japanese games.
As for your steps, the only one you need to do is install the Japanese language pack and set it to recognize Japanese UNICODE. Changing the currency and hours setting is going a bit overboard ;)
naninani
2004-06-28, 21:29
So far this year, they have been:
Fate/stay night
SHUFFLE!
CLANNAD
Aruru to Asobo!
Realize
My all time favorite list would compromise something like (in no particular order):
Dokyusei 1,2
Kono Sekai no Hatede Utau-mono YU-NO
Pia Carrot 1,2,3 TB
Shizuku
Kizuato
Saorin to Issho!
Hatsune no Naisho!
To Heart
Comic Party
Inagawa de Ikou!
Magical Antique
Utawarerumono
MOON
ONE
Kanon
AIR
Triangle Heart 1,2,3
SNOW
D+VINE LUV
Tobi D+VINE
Kana~Imouto~
Kazoku Keikaku
CROSS+CHANNEL
Tsukihime, PLUS+/-DISC, Kagetsu Touya
Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien
MuvLuv
Phatom~Phantom of Inferno~
Deus Machina Demonbaine
BALDR FORCE
Giniro
Clover Heart's
Wind-a Breath of Heart-
Mizuiro
Infantaria
Suika
D.C.~Da Capo~
Sorewa Maichiru Sakura no Youni
Kao no Nai Tsuki
Kichikuou Lance series
Dai Akuji
Dai Bancho
u kkno so much DAMN!!!!!!!!
No, actually Custom Mate 3 itself will not function on 2k/XP machines :)
As I also have a copy of XPj (which is the Japanese edition :)) for when I need to play my Japanese games.
As for your steps, the only one you need to do is install the Japanese language pack and set it to recognize Japanese UNICODE. Changing the currency and hours setting is going a bit overboard ;) The hours settings can also help since it helps the game to show the Japanese characters, so you'd better use this too, it's not really a pain to use it actually :)
Edit : Did you try right click on the executable file to play the game, go to property, go to the tab compatibility, then checking Windows 98 or Windows 95 in this part? It might also help if you try this.
I personally never had to use it, but it is what is it for :D
Mr_Paper
2004-06-29, 11:48
Actually I found a copy of Custom Mate 3, unfortunetly it will not function on a system running XP, even while in compatability mode. Unless someone can find a way to register one of the dll files that it requires (which will not register), we're kinda stuck on the matter.Of course it wont. :eyebrow:
The game is designed to run under Japanese Windows 3.1 or at the minimum, Japanese Dos 5. The most recent versions of Windows don't use or support the hymen memory drivers needed to run the game nor do they have actual Dos. That cheap version floating around the net is crap anyway, there were major conversion and porting errors which resulted in random losses of game data and the inability to save or load previous games. This means you have to start at day 1 every time you want to play.
The best way to play the game is to use an PC-98XX emulator with the floppy disk images or the hard disk image. Of course, you still won't be able to save your progress, but it's better than the alternative.
I'd recommend the Neko Project II (http://www.yui.ne.jp/np2/indexe.html) emulator.
I really like japanese RPG/Sim style so I try to get my hand on any h-games that has RPG or Sim element in it. Several RPGs and Sims from Studio e go! and also Dai Akuji/Bancho series were the ones I really enjoyed.
There are way too many ADV/Novel type h-games so usually I only pick the ones that are already proven to be good, like Kanon, KGNE and Kao no nai Tsuki. F&C also published several warm-hearted ADV games that I enjoyed quite a lot, although not as deep as the instant classics. It's a pity up to now I haven't got the time to play Tsukihime and Fate Stay Night. :(
Recently I was playing a daughter-raising sim from Studio e go! called Maoh no Musumedachi. It's not something ground breaking and is kinda short, but the conversations are pretty fun and the stories are warm (if you don't go for the bad endings). A nice game to spend a few days on. :)
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-07-03, 11:26
Just Managed to find Custom Mate 3 and here is what I think: This game requires alot of patience....And decent Japanese.Plus I heard theres alot of Endings and events in this game but I don't really know how to see them because theirs no Walkthoughs or faqs for this game in english or in Japanese.Plus for some reason I never get more Money after I spend them all in the game. Once I used all my money on one gift and I haven't gotten paid yet why is that? Also what are the requirements to increase or decrease your Wife's stats? Is there a way to make time go faster then just going by day after day? There are so many things in the game that I'm sure I don't know about but theres NO FAQS!! Some tips and tricks(or even a faq.) for this game would help alot
Just Managed to find Custom Mate 3 and here is what I think: This game requires alot of patience....And decent Japanese.Plus I heard theres alot of Endings and events in this game but I don't really know how to see them because theirs no Walkthoughs or faqs for this game in english or in Japanese.Plus for some reason I never get more Money after I spend them all in the game. Once I used all my money on one gift and I haven't gotten paid yet why is that? Also what are the requirements to increase or decrease your Wife's stats? Is there a way to make time go faster then just going by day after day? There are so many things in the game that I'm sure I don't know about but theres NO FAQS!! Some tips and tricks(or even a faq.) for this game would help alotYou should try, if you still haven't, to search on www.google.co.jp (http://www.google.co.jp) (for example) with the Japanese name and by Japanese I mean like for example おしかけ魔法少女ユイ : so you just need to find your game name in Japanese characters and do a quick search on a search engine :)
Note that the result will be most likely in Japanese, but you'll just need to translate them with an online translator :)
Mr_Paper
2004-07-03, 13:35
Plus I heard theres alot of Endings and events in this game but I don't really know how to see them because theirs no Walkthoughs or faqs for this game in english or in Japanese.There are many,many endings. How faithful you are to your wife determines what type of ending you get. I couldn't imagine a walkthrough for this particular game, it just doesn't seem possible. Walkthroughs and FAQs are great for event based games but this isn't an event based game, the events are pretty random (I've taken my wife skiing in July before).
Plus for some reason I never get more Money after I spend them all in the game. Once I used all my money on one gift and I haven't gotten paid yet why is that?The two money indictors display different things, the top one displays your savings (rent, bills, trip costs, etc. all come out of here) and the bottom/lower one is your monthly allowance. Once you've spent your monthly allowance you'll have to wait until you get paid again before getting more money in it. I'd personally recommend sticking to the 1000 yen gifts until you've saved up some money in your allowance.
Also what are the requirements to increase or decrease your Wife's stats?Talk to her, spend time with her, go out with her, buy her the occasionaly gift, don't lie to her (if you say you'll be coming straight home, you better come straight home) and don't cheat on her. It's all pretty simple, but in the end hard to get right at first. Also, if done properly, sleeping with your wife every now and then will also help. However, be careful, if you screw up you'll be sleeping next to the cold shoulder and get one of her lovely lunches for a couple days.
Is there a way to make time go faster then just going by day after day?Of course there is, I'd suggest that you avoid it like the plague though. It can be set to do 1 day, 1 week and upto 1 month automatically. However, it will spend all your money, kill all your stats and make your life after it very, very misrable.
There are so many things in the game that I'm sure I don't know about but theres NO FAQS!! Some tips and tricks(or even a faq.) for this game would help alotPlay around with the menus and the settings and see what happens.
I've been working on making a guide to the wife 'design' stage and the between days menus for some time now, have patience. ^^;
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-07-07, 16:27
I just got done playing Green Green. Good game. I thought it was gonna suck but the stories were pretty decent.The only thing I didn't like about the game was the artwork wasn't exactly that good. But it was better then the art in the Tsukihime game. Anyway if you guys liked the Green Green Anime(which I haven't seen yet.) you should give the game a try its good.
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-07-14, 21:32
I feel like Bumping this. So Bump.
babbito2k
2004-07-15, 01:45
Long ago, I got hooked on a H game called "Season of the Sakura" - but it's for DOS. It worked with some tweaking in Win98, but I don't think it'll work on 2K or XP... so it looks like it's lost forever. Unless someone finally makes a good XP dos emulator that'll run it.
In any case, it was a great game :)The game runs on DOSBox in XP.
The game I like best is Houkago Mania Kurabu/Casual Romance Club, which is less of a story and more about little conversations with a lot of different girls.
DarkCntry
2004-07-15, 02:24
The game runs on DOSBox in XP.
The game I like best is Houkago Mania Kurabu/Casual Romance Club, which is less of a story and more about little conversations with a lot of different girls.
CRC was a little tedious though...it took me 3 tries to actually get a 'good' ending, the rest I kept getting the standard "Have a nice day" picture ending :P Then it dawned on me, stick with Amy :P
However, CRC was rather funny listening to the voice actors speak in English, especially during the h-scenes....I don't know why, but I just couldn't stop laughing :)
babbito2k
2004-07-15, 03:25
CRC was a little tedious though...it took me 3 tries to actually get a 'good' ending, the rest I kept getting the standard "Have a nice day" picture ending :P Then it dawned on me, stick with Amy :P
However, CRC was rather funny listening to the voice actors speak in English, especially during the h-scenes....I don't know why, but I just couldn't stop laughing :)"Tedious" you say... "3 tries" you say... perhaps there is some relation there...
If you stick with any girl you will get a happy ending with that girl. Jumping around too much will get you nowhere.
What's interesting is that some of them change when they become your girlfriend. A couple are more interesting to chase than to catch.
The English dub is funny once or twice but I'm glad the game doesn't rely on it.
DarkCntry
2004-07-15, 03:44
Well, not tedious in a bad way, just something that I wasn't expecting...see I'm not much for the active scrolling of the text, mostly I have it come up all at once allowing me to read it at my pace, however I have yet to find that ability in CRC :)
The interface was a bit clunky, but that's just me, the useless map window and the semi-annoying locale window didn't really do much, but were nice little immersion touches. Don't get me wrong, I liked CRC a lot considering the nature of the game, even though the original premise was based upon the fact for the relationships to be casual I figured it'd take the road well-traveled and 'evolve' from there :) See, what threw me most were the days that the characters would be absent...this is what caused me to stray away from a single girl a lot...for example, I'd be talking to Sophie one day, she disappears for two days then I get interested in Charolette or someone else...but hey, I do like that little diary thing, neat touch :)
CRC was a little tedious though...it took me 3 tries to actually get a 'good' ending, the rest I kept getting the standard "Have a nice day" picture ending :P Then it dawned on me, stick with Amy :P
A few of the girls have one or two critical decision points you have to get right in order to progress with them. This can be very annoying, since there's rarely a clear "right answer, wrong answer" in this game. While it makes the game more "realistic" (unlike some of the extreme differences you find in your character's replies in other games), it makes pinpointing critical topics and answers very difficult. Also, a few of the girls have some very specific dates you need to get right (with regards to dating/asking for dates etc.), which contributes to making them rather aggrevating challenges.
For example, I was unable to get Charlotte (or all of her CGs) in several of the playthroughs, simply because I didn't know you had to ask her to date you several days in a row for the second date. I was looking for a specific time to ask her, I tried chatting with Amy and giving all wrong answers to get her off me, etc. None of it worked, of course.
Of course, there are girls that are easy to get too, and not just Amy. By the way, Charlotte and Jeannie are my favorites in this game.
However, CRC was rather funny listening to the voice actors speak in English, especially during the h-scenes....I don't know why, but I just couldn't stop laughing :)
Yeah, the English voice acting is... quite unique. Though I've met people who think it's better than the Japanese ones. Weird people... :)
Well, it's definitely better than domestically dubbed voices.
(Imagines Jenna Jameson or another Western pornstar dubbing all of the cute girls' voices) :twitch:
Oh, God, no.... :(
So, overall what do you guys thing of CRC? Worth it or not? Is it one "happy" ending per character or more? I picked up Tokimeki Check In, and with 16 endings, its taking forever to finish, espeically with all the repetive stuff to slog through.
Also, how is the overall tone of CRC? I kind of overdosed on angst (still havent finished Kana because of it) so Im looking for something a little less traumatic. :)
DarkCntry
2004-07-16, 01:25
So, overall what do you guys thing of CRC? Worth it or not? Is it one "happy" ending per character or more? I picked up Tokimeki Check In, and with 16 endings, its taking forever to finish, espeically with all the repetive stuff to slog through.
Also, how is the overall tone of CRC? I kind of overdosed on angst (still havent finished Kana because of it) so Im looking for something a little less traumatic. :)
Actually CRC, for the most part, is very light-hearted...it's almost to the point that you are playing a normal guy for a change :)
The sheer size of CRC is what keeps me from actively recommending it to people, while it's only a month in game time, the fact that there are 9 different girls to interact with is what makes the game feel much larger than most. Considering you start off in the diner with whatever girls are present that day (until the end of the month's CRC run, at most there were 4 girls absent at one time), you interact with them with a private message...you can talk with them, then you can either go out with them that day or give them a date coupon for the Saturday or Sunday of that week...If you ask them to go out that day, then the day moves on, if you don't go out or you give them a date coupon, then you can go another 'round' of talking with another girl...I believe there are 3 'rounds' before the day ends, but I haven't really tried to not go out with one of the girls.
As for happy endings...well, if you actually end with a girl then yea, it's a happy ending, but there are endings in which you don't actually end with a girl. At one point I even thought there might be an ending involving Jordan...albeit that would've scared me.
Being worth it depends on how you feel about Option ADV games...this one has a lot of variations, and like AG3 said, sometimes it actually requires you to pay attention to the conversations you have to answer some of the questions the girls ask of you. It's pretty well done in terms of that.
Oh, and AG3, it took me forever to get Charlotte too because I felt the same way you did...and I even ignored Amy thinking that would help, but alas, it didn't :) I still am a little smitten with Sophie though, maybe it's the older guy in me :)
babbito2k
2004-07-16, 03:10
So, overall what do you guys thing of CRC? Worth it or not? Is it one "happy" ending per character or more? I picked up Tokimeki Check In, and with 16 endings, its taking forever to finish, espeically with all the repetive stuff to slog through.
Also, how is the overall tone of CRC? I kind of overdosed on angst (still havent finished Kana because of it) so Im looking for something a little less traumatic.The game is definitely worth it. It looks good and plays well, has cute girls and doesn't fall apart after the first go-round.
You get one ending per girl. That's because you are playing within a club which lasts one month, and seeing a girl after the month is up is a special situation. It will take a long time to finish the game, but that's all good.
And you don't have to repeat too much stuff when you are moving on to a different girl. If the girl you are shooting for is not around, you can just chat up a couple of girls and then just go home. The girls' calendars are important to pay attention to - there are little symbols to tip you off about making a special effort on those days.
The tone is light-hearted, which is why I like it so much. There are no deep secrets - either you make an all-out effort for a girl or you don't, but you can't expect a girl to go out with you (or "put out") if you are out with other girls too much.
Talking to the girls involves talking about stuff they are interested in and being honest with them. There are little things like one girl might kind of hold back because of her friend, another girl takes awhile to make herself available for dates etc. They don't quite add up to a story, but give each girl a different feeling and let you know how to get closer to the girl.
Nobody has sick fetishes or dies or anything. You are not trying to control people's minds or enslave or train them, etc. When you get to be a girl's steady, she might change a little when she can be herself more. But the endings don't involve "3 years later" or anything, they are more about what it's like to be going out with the girl.
DarkCntry
2004-07-16, 03:55
Nobody has sick fetishes or dies or anything. You are not trying to control people's minds or enslave or train them, etc. When you get to be a girl's steady, she might change a little when she can be herself more. But the endings don't involve "3 years later" or anything, they are more about what it's like to be going out with the girl.
That is one of the biggest reasons I got CRC, the fact that these are normal girls with normal personalities, you have everything from the girl who is undeniably in love with you to the older and more intellectual types, with everything in between. It feels as if these characters are actual real people and the events are real things.
Like I said, these types are way to few and far between so if you like the style you pretty much have to jump on it when they come :)
I like X-Change 1 & 2. My friend bought them both off Ebay
I've liked "maid's story" best so far. It's kind of managering game, where you train maid's to they're future jobs. I like managering/rpg games, so I quess that's reason for my choise. Tho haven't played that much h-games, cause most of them (english translated) just suck :/
a_nevels666
2004-07-16, 09:42
I've liked "maid's story" best so far. It's kind of managering game, where you train maid's to they're future jobs. I like managering/rpg games, so I quess that's reason for my choise. Tho haven't played that much h-games, cause most of them (english translated) just suck :/
True, most translated H-games either suck, or they´re just visual novels where you can make like three yes-no choices in the entire ´game´.
I like it when the game has some actual, good gameplay. Like the games by AliceSoft for example. It´s a shame we´ll never see those games translated.
True, most translated H/games either suck, or they´re just visual novels where you can make like three yes-no choices in the entire ´game´.
I like it when the game has some actual, good gameplay. Like the games by AliceSoft for example. It´s a shame we´ll never see those games translated. That's obvious : none of the english translated games are worst playing IMO.
Japanese games in another hand are quite hard to understand, thought I was able to understand and enjoy Star Platinum since the gameplay isn't that hard.
This game is quite original compared to most others hentai-games and is quite good looking for an old game.
Babbitto2k & Darkcntry,
Thanks for the reviews. Sounds like something to try then. I have been holding off since it was a little more cash then I wanted to spend initally. But with everything else so dark/angsty or depressing, this sounds like a good change. :)
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-07-28, 15:29
Bump.Once again another bump.
My all time favorite is Utawarerumono (http://leaf.aquaplus.co.jp/product/uta.htm). It just has a perfect combination of story, characters, artworks, and even gameplay to my likes. It would have been a perfect game only if it had voice...
I would kill for an English translation of this.
Anyway, I'm just bumping this to wonder, has anyone played Hourglass of Summer (http://www.peachprincess.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=PP&Product_Code=HIRA007&Category_Code=BG2)? It looks pretty good, considering that most H-games imported to the U.S. are just shitty porn visual-stories. If I can't get Kanon, maybe I can settle for this.
I would kill for an English translation of this.
Anyway, I'm just bumping this to wonder, has anyone played Hourglass of Summer (http://www.peachprincess.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=PP&Product_Code=HIRA007&Category_Code=BG2)? It looks pretty good, considering that most H-games imported to the U.S. are just shitty porn visual-stories. If I can't get Kanon, maybe I can settle for this.
The "Hourglass of Summer" that has been translated to English is a non-adult version, in DVDPG format. Other than that, the people at the Peach Princess forums who have played it said it was a really good game (far better than the earlier DVDPG titles released in English, maybe with the exception of Phantom of Inferno).
I would kill for an English translation of this.
Anyway, I'm just bumping this to wonder, has anyone played Hourglass of Summer (http://www.peachprincess.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=PP&Product_Code=HIRA007&Category_Code=BG2)? It looks pretty good, considering that most H-games imported to the U.S. are just shitty porn visual-stories. If I can't get Kanon, maybe I can settle for this.
I have it, and its pretty decent so far. If you have been following the anime, its pretty much dead on with it.
My only complaint is that it runs from the DVD, so make sure you got a fast player that doesnt buffer to much.
Other than that, its got a pretty decent storyline so far, and the only thing I have noticed is that the character drawings are slightly different for Kaho between the anime and the game. Otherwise its almost dead on between the two.
Its certainly worth looking into, and since its non-H, its fairly cheap in comparison.
That is one of the biggest reasons I got CRC, the fact that these are normal girls with normal personalities, you have everything from the girl who is undeniably in love with you to the older and more intellectual types, with everything in between. It feels as if these characters are actual real people and the events are real things.
Like I said, these types are way to few and far between so if you like the style you pretty much have to jump on it when they come :)
Finally got around to picking it up, and you guys were dead on the money. No heavy drama, no "rip your heart out and jump up and down on it" moments. :)
Still working my way through, its pretty long, but I would have to agree with your reviews. Its pretty well done, and fairly realistic. The writers definately went out of their way to give the girls distinct personalities, and the certainly covered a pretty wide spectrum.
I like it so far, my only complaint is that the voice tracks are kind of spotty, and the Japanese voice track is MUCH better than the english dub.
My only complaint is that it runs from the DVD, so make sure you got a fast player that doesnt buffer to much.There might be problems with high-buffering players, but that's a plus in that I can play the game on my PC, PS2 or DVD player :cool:
Thanks for your review, I guess I'll have to put this on my to-buy list (after some Jpop CDs... w).
DarkCntry
2004-08-18, 22:30
Well, I *just* got Come See Me Tonight 2, I'll install it later if I get the chance and set a topic for it for a quick review.
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-08-20, 23:08
Hey does anyone plan on getting Kakyuusei 2? And if so how do you think its gonna be? Personally I have a little trouble deciding if I should get Kakyuusei 2 or Kimi ga Nozomu Eien fan Disc first.
I like Colourful Kiss and Colourful Heart & most Citrus games (Da Capo, Suika).
pastremnants
2004-08-25, 22:54
ummm i would like to ask you how can i get to some of these games?
Zephronite
2004-08-25, 23:21
The internet.
Oh, and shops, if that's your thing.
DarkCntry
2004-08-25, 23:25
http://www.himeya.com is a pretty decent place to start if you can't get to Japan in person.
www.g-collections.com is also another.
SiL Eighty
2004-08-26, 00:07
I have Jewel Knights Crusaders, Do You Like Horny Bunnies 2, and Brave Soul. Story wise Brave Soul is the best, and IMO the most fun cuz its an rpg with some cool CG's. Now the other 2 are just Pr0n games unfortunately. Stories are little to non existant.
Jewel Knights is friggen ridiculous and IMO funny as hell. The main character, Ginji, who you play just goes around raping everyone. Pretty dumb but the diologue makes me laugh. Havent gone all the way thru yet this mofo is long.
DyLhB 2 has alot more to it than Jewel Knights BUT, still lacking story wise. Art is great. Thats about it lol.
I did have Private Nurse and Heart de Roommate. IMO both these were great. Great art and great story to boot. I lost them though tyring to find them again. My fav was Heart de Roommate though.
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-08-26, 00:21
I Recommend Himeya. Best place to get Ero games IMO. The bad thing is most of the Ero games there are kind of expensive so I hope you're rolling in the bills.It also takes some time for your order to come in too. Speaking of time Right now I'm waiting for Kakyuusei 2.
I have Jewel Knights Crusaders, Do You Like Horny Bunnies 2, and Brave Soul. Story wise Brave Soul is the best, and IMO the most fun cuz its an rpg with some cool CG's. Now the other 2 are just Pr0n games unfortunately. Stories are little to non existant. The problem with most English ero-games is that they're mostly like this, that's why if you know Japanese you'd better try to buy a Japanese game unless you only like rape/sex scenes :)
lavarock
2004-08-26, 04:51
My favorite H game, is Kanon and air, both has translated version in my lanuage.
My favorite non-H bishoujo game, is Memory off series, include MO1/2 and also Ever 17 and Never 7 (like Ever 17 better though), all of them, fortunately has version in my lauange as well.
Also tried lots of others but can't continue coz of the lanuage, Tsukihime, Kimi ga, D.C, shuffle, snow and some others. Also games from Illusion such as Des blood sereis, bikou series (sp?) etc.
In general I still like non-H games much more than H-games, it's really the story that hook me up after all.
Thus I will make sure to play Clannad once it get published in my language.
My favorite H game, is Kanon and air, both has translated version in my lanuage.
My favorite non-H bishoujo game, is Memory off series, include MO1/2 and also Ever 17 and Never 7 (like Ever 17 better though), all of them, fortunately has version in my lauange as well.
Also tried lots of others but can't continue coz of the lanuage, Tsukihime, Kimi ga, D.C, shuffle, snow and some others. Also games from Illusion such as Des blood sereis, bikou series (sp?) etc.
In general I still like non-H games much more than H-games, it's really the story that hook me up after all.
Thus I will make sure to play Clannad once it get published in my language. Not all ero-games are only sex sex sex :)
There are a h-games that have a story.
Still the problem is that those are obviously in Japanese so unless you understand Japanese a bit, you won't get much of the story.
A good bet if you understand Japanese would be F&C.
I'm currently playing Gakuen Heaven: Boys Love Scramble Type B
It's not exactly hentai game (it's Boy's Love/Shounen ai). It's rated for 15 yrs and above...there's no explicit bits...only mild stuffs. (Although Type A is rated 18+).
This game is not about sex...you can just see a decent picture hinting that they have sex, and the voice actors' moans.
Ippo-Kun
2004-08-27, 07:48
so wat are some good english h-games i can download? i've only played true love and maid story so far. storywise they are ok. but that probly just means that im easily entertained :p
so wat are some good english h-games i can download? i've only played true love and maid story so far. storywise they are ok. but that probly just means that im easily entertained :p Hmmm it's kinda illegal to download english h-games, but anyway, most english h-games aren't even worst of using your bw downloading them illegally :P
so wat are some good english h-games i can download? i've only played true love and maid story so far. storywise they are ok. but that probly just means that im easily entertained :p
Awww you poor baby. Welcome to the 21th century. Try Come See Me Tonight 1 + 2, Slave Pageant etc.
Actually just go to g-collections.com and find them all there. Also Princess Maker :P
Don't be lazy and complain if you can't find it cause you can always GOOGLE it.
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-08-27, 08:30
I recommend you try Brave Soul if you like RPGs but you don't want to have to worry about the game being complex since your simply mouse clicking when your fighting so its easy. Also try Tokimeki Check in. You already tried True Love which was good. And I never played this one yet myself but I heard that this is really good try Kana Little Sister. I also recommend(And this is all up to you by the way.) you Learn Japanese or get a friend who does so you can enjoy better more superior H games. Like Kimi ga Nozomu Eien.
Awww you poor baby. Welcome to the 21th century. Try Come See Me Tonight 1 + 2, Slave Pageant etc.
Actually just go to g-collections.com and find them all there. Also Princess Maker :P
Don't be lazy and complain if you can't find it cause you can always GOOGLE it. Sheesh... Princess Maker isn't a hentai game, it's more like a cute simulation where you have to raise your 10 years old 'daughter' into an adult :)
English translated H-games are a drop in the ocean compared to the variety of original Japanese games (yeah, I'm sick of hearing Brave Soul or Dylhb in every other post). They come out let's say 2/3 times a month on big release dates. I don't mean one game, a whole bunch released all at once.
Someone said Dylhb has nice art. :heh:
I think I'll go play Clover Heart's now. :)
DarkCntry
2004-08-27, 09:47
The real problem with localization companies like G-Collections is that they are really nothing more than a bunch of fans who charge for their work. Of course, they do go about it the same way places like ADV liscense their animes, but that's only for the fact they charge for this work.
Looking at a lot of the translation quality you can see where they drop the ball. Kana ~Imouto~ is a great game that has many moments lessened because G-C used artisitic liscensing in their translation.
These companies are lacking the, lack of better word, balls to tackle the more complex games, such as KGNE or MuvLuv, or even Kanon and Da Capo. They want the quick edit the script, repackage the product, and sell it at a markup route instead of actually sitting down and cracking out some quality work.
I still faithfully buy products, both importing and through places like G-Collections, but that is only because I enjoy the titles that I do buy. The problem there is that the titles I enjoy are too few and far between compared to the mindless sex games.
I would have to agree, when you look at some of the popular titles in Japan vs. what gets translated, it is kind of surprising how few titles come over.
Now, from a monetary standpoint, I can certainly see where the 3rd party liscensers want to do simple titles. They present a short time to translate, and are a quick return on their money.
At the same time, by their own admission, titles like Kana and Crescendo have sold very well, supposedly better than they expected them to. But the porn titles are still the primary focus, or the titles they can get liscensed cheaply.
My suspicion is that we wont see a lot of english translated games making it over here in real numbers until the Japanese developers get more involved in the process. Casual Romance Club is a pretty good example of how that could work.
Until that happens, I just dont expect we are going to see a lot of the big titles getting released over here. The big titles are expensive to liscense, and have tons of dialog to translate, which represents a pretty sizable investment in translation services. Until the market picks up, it just isnt going to happen. :upset:
Is it legal to download non-licensed games translated into english ? If so where would I go to find a game based more on romance then hentai
No it is not. You must think it's legal to download fansubs of unlicened anime, too. That's also illegal.
I don't think there is a such thing as a "non-licended game translated into English". There are fan translations of unlicenced games but you have to buy the Japanese game.
DarkCntry
2004-08-30, 20:41
In addition to what TronDD mentioned, the difference between anime and software is that anime is a widely distributed product that is paid for via cable providers and advertisement slots, where-as software is solely a commercial product.
In other words, while download a fansub is indeed considered a grey area by most, downloading of software is not as it treads directly into piracy because there is no wide distrobution of such products.
TerryMathews
2004-08-30, 22:56
In other words, while download a fansub is indeed considered a grey area by most, downloading of software is not as it treads directly into piracy because there is no wide distrobution of such products.
You may consider it a gray area, but it's not.
I watch fansubs too, but no bones about it, it's copyright infringement just as if I downloaded a copy of Windows. You should consider yourself lucky that the Japanese content providers don't pursue legal remedies for non-US licensed shows, not flaunt it.
The only reason we're not in jail or paying heavy fines is apathy.
DarkCntry
2004-08-31, 01:46
You may consider it a gray area, but it's not.
I watch fansubs too, but no bones about it, it's copyright infringement just as if I downloaded a copy of Windows. You should consider yourself lucky that the Japanese content providers don't pursue legal remedies for non-US licensed shows, not flaunt it.
The only reason we're not in jail or paying heavy fines is apathy.
Unless I missed something, that's exactly what makes it the grey area...that the Japanese companies do not worry about groups outsourcing the anime to other countries. They recieve their 'profits' from advertisement and cable subscriptions, not by consumers purchasing the TV series while it's airing.
You may really wish to relook at the world of Fansubbing...believe me, I've been in it for a long time. Japanese companies aren't apathetic, they are actually embracing more and more the world that fansubbing has created. However, to each good side, there is a bad side, and there's been several reports that many companies aren't happy with fansubbing, but compared to the ones that are thrilled that their works are getting more diverse attention without the extra spending, it's a very small voice.
This is why it's all considered a grey area...many companies enjoy the free advertisement and increased chance of another distributor wishing to pay liscensing fees.
You may really wish to relook at the world of Fansubbing...believe me, I've been in it for a long time. Japanese companies aren't apathetic, they are actually embracing more and more the world that fansubbing has created. However, to each good side, there is a bad side, and there's been several reports that many companies aren't happy with fansubbing, but compared to the ones that are thrilled that their works are getting more diverse attention without the extra spending, it's a very small voice.
I see no proof anywhere that Japanese companies embrace fansubs. I've only seen proof contrary to that. I mean... if Japanese companies are willing to let their footage be freely traded on the Internet, they wouldn't put piracy warnings all over BS-i. One of the reasons Japanese companies haven't sued any fansubbers yet is because of the extraordinary cost needed to bring a suit over here.
That being said, I think it is nice that you can distribute full quality game patches without the actual game. In the fansubbing world, it would be equivalent to being able to distributing scripts and having users applying them to get the same quality results as a hardsub on pretty much any raw they get (from DVD, from tape, etc.)
DarkCntry
2004-08-31, 11:01
It's actually been said that GAINAX and Toei have both acknowledge fansubbing of their shows to places outside of Japan being a good source of new viewerships. Of course, like I said, there's a bad to every good...with fansubbing on the internet also brings the ability for people inside of Japan to download the shows, but that's simply one of the drawbacks that are being heavily outweighed by the sources of higher income from abroad liscensing.
Basically this all falls back to the similar ethics of fansubbing of liscensed material...it's up to this to keep the problems at bay and apparently we're seeing far less of this happening. So in effect the only ones hurting the fansubbing community are the ones who disregard those unwritten rules. It's not the fact that companies find it too expensive to persue lawsuits, it's more along the lines that they see more of a gain than a loss in the longer run.
Their bigger issues are the bootleggers whom are actually working for their own profits and undermining the actual animation studios. These people are no help to either the fansubbing or anime communities and are a much larger burden to the legit anime community than fansubbers. This is why fansubbing falls into the grey area.
Fan-translation patches are without a doubt a very big help to people like me. Since I actually import many games I tend to either deal with text hooking programs, my less-than-stellar knowledge of Japanese, and fan-translation patches to play the games. With somewhere between 50 total imported titles, I only get to play a handful and comprehend fully the story in them because of them, and it's a very expensive hobby :)
I'm still trying to get KGNE worked on but I am finding it leading to more and more dead-ends than I am open roads :p Oh well, at least I can play the game, get the general idea of what is said, and enjoy it. :)
TerryMathews
2004-08-31, 23:53
Unless I missed something, that's exactly what makes it the grey area...that the Japanese companies do not worry about groups outsourcing the anime to other countries. They recieve their 'profits' from advertisement and cable subscriptions, not by consumers purchasing the TV series while it's airing.
You may really wish to relook at the world of Fansubbing...believe me, I've been in it for a long time. Japanese companies aren't apathetic, they are actually embracing more and more the world that fansubbing has created. However, to each good side, there is a bad side, and there's been several reports that many companies aren't happy with fansubbing, but compared to the ones that are thrilled that their works are getting more diverse attention without the extra spending, it's a very small voice.
This is why it's all considered a grey area...many companies enjoy the free advertisement and increased chance of another distributor wishing to pay liscensing fees.
I was referring to the legal side of the matter, not the business side. Legally, there is no gray area, it is copyright infringement plain and simple. The fact that the Japanese companies do not press charges on traders means they are apathetic to the crimes being comitted against them.
(Warning - bad analogy ahead) Look at it like this. A guy steals your car and then totals it. Your baka insurance company gives you three times market value for the car. You were thinking of selling it anyway. You're apathetic to the crime comitted against you, because it's putting more money in your pocket, but it is still a crime.
Ippo-Kun
2004-09-10, 09:53
Hmmm it's kinda illegal to download english h-games, but anyway, most english h-games aren't even worst of using your bw downloading them illegally :P
i meant the translated ones... i think... unless ur talking about them as well
i meant the translated ones... i think... unless ur talking about them as well It isn't allowed to link to anything considered like piracy here.
If you really want these, try searching, it's against the rules to help you for this :)
If you meant for the patches, then I dunno, but I don't think they are considered illegals ; you might always be owning the original game and be wanting an English patch.
But most games that are being fantranslated are very low in terms of % (though I think Anono should be around ~50%).
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-09-12, 12:56
Does anybody have Kakyuusei 2 yet? And if so what do you guys think about it? I can't say much on the game overall since I have yet to complete it with everyone because of two reasons: Time problems and the game is running kinda slow for me and it freezes up sometimes making it impossible to switch from looking at a guide,Typing up scenes from the game so I can translate them later on my Japanese program,and playing the game with ease. But from what I gotten so far the games pretty good, you can't easily win a girl just by going on repeated dates with them like you could in part 1.You have to get a certain event to get ALL of them(it seems) to completely love you and become winnable.I also like how theres more conversation with the girls in this game. The Mini games are pretty fun if not a bit too easy(Especially the whack a mole game).My only complant is There isn't a token snob rich guy in the game for the Main Character to mock and make fun of. I recommend the game to anyone who loved the prequel.
So far this year, they have been:
Fate/stay night
SHUFFLE!
CLANNAD
Aruru to Asobo!
Realize
My all time favorite list would compromise something like (in no particular order):
Dokyusei 1,2
Kono Sekai no Hatede Utau-mono YU-NO
Pia Carrot 1,2,3 TB
Shizuku
Kizuato
Saorin to Issho!
Hatsune no Naisho!
To Heart
Comic Party
Inagawa de Ikou!
Magical Antique
Utawarerumono
MOON
ONE
Kanon
AIR
Triangle Heart 1,2,3
SNOW
D+VINE LUV
Tobi D+VINE
Kana~Imouto~
Kazoku Keikaku
CROSS+CHANNEL
Tsukihime, PLUS+/-DISC, Kagetsu Touya
Kimi Ga Nozomu Eien
MuvLuv
Phatom~Phantom of Inferno~
Deus Machina Demonbaine
BALDR FORCE
Giniro
Clover Heart's
Wind-a Breath of Heart-
Mizuiro
Infantaria
Suika
D.C.~Da Capo~
Sorewa Maichiru Sakura no Youni
Kao no Nai Tsuki
Kichikuou Lance series
Dai Akuji
Dai Bancho
And those were just your favorites?!?!
O_O
And those were just your favorites?!?!
O_O That means his game collection must be pretty big :D
Now I'm sure we wouldn't mind to have a description of the games and the reason why he likes them :P (don't hit me, I'm just joking!)
This is always pretty hard to give only one favorite game when you like a lot of them, trust me :)
Ive played CRC (my first h-game ) and it was very very funny in the beginning but it gets really boring so after 1 "happy ending" I wasn't in the mood to start all over again, so deleted it. NOT worth downloading/buying I'd say not sure about you guys.
Second game has, to my surprise, not been mentioned yet.. it's called Hana no Hime. This game is funny as hell!! It's a 3D(!) rape sim, all I can say. It still makes me laugh thinking about it. I've only played the first 10 minutes, but you actually move the character with arrow buttons and you can jump onto them with another button (forgot what it was). And the scences are 3D as well. ;)
Well these are the only two games I've ever played so Id say Hana no Hime is by far better, and funnier!
Also figured this isn't really my thing so I'm gonna stick with Burnout 3: TAKEDOWN!!
Does anybody have Kakyuusei 2 yet? And if so what do you guys think about it?
The main heroine and your osananajimi isn't a virgin...
And those were just your favorites?!?!
O_O
Actually, since then, you can also add:
Tomodachi Ijou, Koibito Miman
Rance VI
Haru no Ashioto
Sorauta
to this year's favorite list
Now I'm sure we wouldn't mind to have a description of the games and the reason why he likes them
Fair enough. I won't go through all of them, but I will mention that are worth notable treatment that the majority of Japanese would agree that the following(s) were big titles that left a big impact on the ero-game industry history. However, as I go along, I'll start off with a little Japanese PC/ero-game history 101 to make things a lot more interesting.
Chapter One - the dawn of the era
Back in the 1980s, Japan was competing with the United States in establishing a computer standard (obviously, we all know who won). However, Japan was also competing within itself with different companies on who were to set the computer standard. NEC had the PC-88XX series, Sharp had its X1 series, Fujitsu with its FM-7 series, and the Matsushita-Sony-Sanyo triad were shelling out clones of its MSX computers.
Now, in the late 1980s to the early 1990s, there was something interesting going on in the Japanese computer market. NEC was releasing two different computers at the time - the PC-88XX for the home market, and the newer and faster PC-98XX series for the business market. At the same time, Sharp released its X68000 - a computer which had the processing power as fast as normal arcade machines at the time with excellent sound (PC-98XX lacked any sound support). Fujitsu released its FM-TOWNS series, which shocked the industry with being the first computer with standard internal CD-ROM drive.
One would assume that the PC-98XX, which lacked the "specials" that Sharp and Fujitsu had would be the loser in the computer race. However, NEC's PC-98XX series was clearing leading the path as it dominated the computer market in Japan.
Why? At the front, people were saying "softwares such as Ichitaro (A Japanese word processor) and Lotus 1-2-3 that I use at work are easy to install and use it at home too." The reality was "there are tons of ero-games for the PC-98XX!" and "I can spend four times as much and get the more powerful X68000, or I can settle for less and get the PC-98XX to play tons of ero-games!!"
The PC-98XX's picture quality was 16-bit, 4096 colors, with a screen resolution of 640 x 400 pixels. While this was not enough to put in normal pictures, it was good enough to display anime-type drawings at a pretty good quality. But then, you may say "The Sharp X68000 and the Fujitsu's FM-TOWNS series were able to handle over 30,000 colors - weren't those displays better to show even higher quality anime pictures?" Ah, touche. Yes, 30,000 colors would look better - except that at that time - games were still played on a thing called "a floppy disk" and only few pictures were be able to stored into a such a high/double density formatted floppy disk. And sure, the FM-TOWNS had the CD-ROM drive, but it was very slow (single speed), and there was no internal hard drive back then (the thought of installing software from a CD-ROM to your hard drive was not considered yet).
So the PC-98XX established itself as the computer standard for...ero-games. Ero-games back then were what it said: "an erotic game." Much of the software out there were simple no-brainer & no-story plotlines where you just rape a girl that pops up on the screen. It was good while it sold, but eventually people became exhausted in spending over 8800 yen for something that had mindless sex after sex with a plotline along the lines of a "bad 1980s American porno."
Hence, ASCII took a bold step with its "Chaos Angel" - an RPG ero-game. It's success lead to several softhouses such as Elf releasing "Dragon Knight" series, and AliceSoft's "Rance" series.
Yet, ero-games were still porno games. A postive light is that at least a good story and plot was introduced into a mindless ramble of "just having sex." But still, "to be an ero-game, it is obvious to have sex scenes" still stood. You still had weak sex/pick-up lines where "the main character goes around and fucks girls everywhere he sees, setting up his own harlem world. Even when an enemy female character comes along, he takes her as captive and rapes her. All the girls that meets the main character falls in love with him instantaneously."
Softhouses still clinged on to the idea that "who gives a crap about plot lines - ero-games sells because it has sex scenes!" However, consumers were once again getting bored of repetitive and boring ideas with cheap and somewhat obtrusive plot such as "the girl will die if she doesn't have sex, etc. etc."
I mean, c'mon after playing two or three of the same type of games with everything that is out there practically the same thing, do you want to spend another 8800 yen for something that is going to be as similar to what you just played?
Just when consumer frustration was mounting, Elf released what was to be the most successful ero-game at the time:
Dokyusei (1992)
The biggest thing that pulled in consumers was the amount of freedom this game had. You were able to control the main character and move freely among the [two] towns.
What was (and was probably Elf's risk and gamble) appalling was the idea "the main character does not need to fuck every girl he sees."
Elf did some thinking here.
A. Being an ero-game, these games needed to have sex in them
B. But sacrificing sex scenes in order to develop a detailed and interesting plot line will also get complaints from consumers: "why can't I have sex with this character? yada yada)
C. Yet, if we were to listen to all of their arguments and have the main character go around having sex with every girl he sees, then its the same thing as the other dozens or so games that are already out there.
The answer?
E. Why not have stories for each different female character, so that the player (consumer) can go after which girl he likes - and if he wants to, can play it again and go after a different girl next time?
The Simulation RPG genre was born.
What the consumers felt by playing this revolutionary game:
A. There is no "easy sex" here - the player actually had to make the correct choices to make the girl you like to like you as well.
B. You get the motivation that "Yes! I'm one step closer to getting laid" by going on dates, etc. etc.
C. And the reward that you get after going through the hardships, you are rewarded with a sex scene.
Elf also went one step further by "how to make the pictures look as if it has many different colors when we can only use 16 colors?" Elf's devised a rather remarkable dither management in combining different colors over another per pixel to "make-believe" that many colors exist was practically an art on its own.
Chapter Two - Visual Novels
The next "big thing" for the computer was the introduction of....hard drives. This was the era where no USB nor IEEE1394 existed. Nor was any connectors were on the machine board itself. What you had to do back then was to buy a SASI/SCSI interface card and add the hard drive externally. And, it wasn't as easy as just hooking up the cable - you had tons of driver tweakings and jumper settings to work around with "just to get it work right."
Still, people wanted the hard drive even though it was pretty confusing to set up.
One theory exists is that the driving force was once again, ero-games.
As mentioned in the previous post, "Dokyusei" was a big hit. The game came in eight floppy disks. This game can be played in two different ways:
A. Copy and install the files onto your hard drive
B. Play it from the floppy itself.
If you didn't have a hard drive, you were forced with a very annoying pop-up screen like the following:
1. You go into a house in the map screen
2. "Please insert Disk H into DISK DRIVE 2"
3. Nothing was in the house, and you leave
4. "Please insert Disk D into DISK DRIVE 2"
5. Back at the map screen.
Irritating, ain't it? Supposed you accidentally went into a place where you know nothing was in there. You are constantly told to change the disk in drive 2 for each and every time you go somewhere new. Aaagh!!!
By the time the sequel, "Dokyusei 2" came out, the game data expanded itself into a whopping 13 floppy disks!
By then NEC finally realized the necessity of CD-ROM drives, and started including them in their latest PC-9821 model, boasting 256 displayable colors from 16 million available colors.
Around this time, a Super Famicom game called "Otogirisou" was getting much attention. This was a simple adventure/mystery story with an added twist - multi-endings existed in this game. And as the player progressed by completing each ending, a new selection pop-up appeared where there wasn't. Combining background pictures and music, you read the text on the screen and moved the story foward. ChunSoft (the company that made "Otogirisou") called this revolutionary idea as a "sound novel."
Shizuku (1996)
One relatively new softhouse, Leaf, thought that this might be a good idea to introduce into the ero-game market. With its previous two games being a flop, they decided to gamble by experimenting with the success of the sound novel genre. Leaf decided to take one step further by adding the characters and their facial expressions in addition to just the background and the music and called it a "visual novel."
You (the consumer) read as you are the main character (Nagase Yuuichi) of the story, as you dwleve deeper and deeper into the psychotic world of "doku denpa" (roughly translated as "poisonous electromagnetic waves") brain-washing girls into suicide and mass rape.
Kizuato (1996)
Leaf had another story in mind to go along with Shizuku. If their visual novel experiment failed, they decided to disband. If it was successful, they left its next idea aside so they can release it as soon as their experiment was successful.
Obviously, "Shizuku" did fairly well in its sales - at least they didn't have stockpiles of returned games as they did in their previous two flopped games.
So Leaf immediately released "Kizuato," their second installement in their Visual Novel series.
You (the consumer) once again read the story from the standpoint of the main character (Kashiwagi Kouichi) who dreams that he is going around murdering people. Then, the murder that he dreamt last night came to be the real thing on the news he say the next day? Am I the killer? Am I going around murdering people in the night!?
To Heart (1997)
The third installment of Leaf's Visual Novel series established themselves in becoming one of the leaders of the current ero-game industry.
180 degrees different from its previous two visual novels, "To Heart" was a heart-warming high school love story.
You (the consumer) read the story from the standpoint of second-year high school student, Fujita Hiroyuki. During the course of the spring semester, you meet different girls - all of whom have something special and you choose to fall in love with one of them.
Perhaps the biggest hit was the extremely heart-warming story of one cute little maid robot named HMX-12 Multi. Multi's hard work, the sad good-bye, and the dramatic ending where they meet once again ran tears down many eyes. Interestingly, the main heroine of the game was supposed to be Kamigishi Akari, but fan overwhelmingly voted Multi as the most favorite character in the game. Multi, in fact, has established itself as an iconic figure in the otaku world.
The CD-DA vocal music that was used in this ero-game (unprecedented at the time) was such a dramatic hit that it was selected to be a song to be sung at karaoke machines (also, unheard of - karaoke machines have the latest hit songs, but never was a vocal music from an ero-game ever introduced into karaoke tracks)
The success and effect of Leaf's gamble was immediately recognized. Many have been pondering "what is the best way to have consumers enjoy ero-games and have them play a good game at the same time?" The answer was what Leaf had just done: Visual Novels.
A. This system is rather simple and straight foward game, yet open to limitless possibilities
B. All you need is several great pictures, good music, and a great storyline.
C. No need for mind-boggling high-level programming or to think about game balances
D. If you have the right staff, a great game can be made with little investment
Hence, many softhouses began to take this path. Visual Novels have arrived.
"doku denpa" (roughly translated as "poisonous electromagnetic waves")
"Denpa" means "electromagnetic waves"? Well, that explains many things!
You've written a lot for AnimeSuki, but this essay is really great and has learned me a lot about the Japanese software industry that I did not know anything about before. I think I ought to archive it on my domain, or something.
edit: Is it okay with you if I reproduce your posts, public domain?
"Denpa" means "electromagnetic waves"? Well, that explains many things!
You've written a lot for AnimeSuki, but this essay is really great and has learned me a lot about the Japanese software industry that I did not know anything about before. I think I ought to archive it on my domain, or something.
Or chop out the posts and put them into a sticky in this forum. Save some time in case anyone ever asks. Very informative.
Chapter Three - "Crying games" hit the standard"
Formerly, the I/O systems for most games were very keyboard oriented. For example, you would type in "GET KEY" to get a key on the screen to open a door later in the game. One problem is that computers are stupid. For example, the door wouldn't open when you type in "open door," but you'd had to type in "kick door" to have it budge.
Hence, many ero-games became mouse pointer oriented. Dokyusei had mouse pointers with selections such as "rub breasts," or "finger the clitoris."
But, as the visual novels started to become the standard for ero-games, less and less selection points came into play - the main point of visual novels was that selection points were popped up only when it became to deal with what is going to happen in the story:
A. You decide to run away (leads to bad ending)
B. You decide to face your fears up front (continues story)
Consumers didn't want some flashy and hard to remember keyboard inputs nor spend two hours reading the manual just to figure out how to play the damn thing. They want it to install it and play it ASAP. Solution - simplify.
Since then, the gaming system engines for ero-games were tweaked little by little to give the best possible engine that is user-friendly to the consumers.
Now by this time, computers were running on the Windows 95 platform. Ero-game makers suddenly had much more freedom in doing CG art - now they can utilize as many colors as they want and store as much more data on a medium called the CD-ROM.
Elf's "Kono Sekai no Hate de Utau mono ~YUNO~" was perhaps the last game that was released for the DOS format - with much acclaim and show that will be remembered as the pinnacle of artistic work of DOS ero-games.
Now, as I mentioned in the previous post, "To Heart" was a major hit game. Multi's story was so heart-warming that it gave a hypothesis to one softhouse that perhaps heart-warming stories that make the player cry were the thing to make a hit.
ONE ~kagayaku kisetsu e~ (1998)
The core members of the softhouse, Tactics thought up of a simple formula:
(comedic first half) + (heart-warming romantic middle) + (tragic separation) + (emotional get together) = "crying game"
"ONE" was exactly written in this formula.
You play the role of a high school students named Sasaori Kouhei, who on the surface is enjoying high school life by meeting several girls. But deep within in his inner self, you yearn to spend an eternity with your sister, who died several years ago - one in which you blame yourself for her death.
The first half of the game is very comedic and fun. However here and there, you have philosophical flashbacks about "sheeps in the field" and "the infinite sky." Around the turning point, you have a heart-warming romantic relationship with a girl that you'd chosen. However, this where everything starts a down turn - suddenly, people that knew you before begins to forget about you. One by one, your friends and teachers starts to forget that you even exist - this is because you've chosen the path to spend an eternity rather than make yourself exist in this world. Tragedy is that you'd just started a romantic relationship...will the person that you professed that you love also forget about you as well!?
Of course, it is up to the scenario writer to how well he can write a story that makes the consumer read onto the story without ever realizing that its all a matter of a simple formula (think: Stephen King novels - they are all the same formula, but it's still a best seller)
Kanon (1999)
The creators of "ONE" realized that their formula was indeed what made a game successful. The main creators broke off from tactics and started their own softhouse - Key, to create one of the pinnacles of ero-game history to date.
"Kanon" was released on June 4, 1999. Speculation was amounting that this game is a major "watch-for" item even before it went on sale. The beautiful CG art, the astounding music, and the atmosphere of the story was captivating. Consumers were wondering, "would these guys that disbanded from tactics be capable of doing something greater than their previous work?"
They did.
"Kanon" was created somewhat of a anti-thesis of "ONE." Instead of the main character going to eternity, this time it was the heroines who had something. Mainly, Tsukimiya Ayu was indeed a spiritual being who runs around the town looking for her beloved Yuuichi - with a very emotional ending.
"Kanon" is touted as the best ero-game of all time. Well, that is a subject open to debate, but it sure did leave deep marks for not only the ero-game industry, but for otakus all across Japan. "Kanon" was such a big hit - that it is not that surprising to say "you cannot call yourself an otaku without going through the baptism of playing Kanon."
The success of "ONE" and "Kanon" on their formula to creat a "crying game" was adopted by many softhouses. For example, just to mention a few:
D.O.'s "Kana ~Imouto"
KID's "Memories Off" (non-ero game)
CIRCUS' "D.C.~da capo~"
Studio Mebius' "SNOW"
minori's "Wind ~a breath of heart"
were all major hit ero-games that can be said that they were very much influenced by Key's formula.
Even age's "Kimi ga Nozomu Eien" was somewhat of a twist of this formula by adding in a "diluted and dirty love triangle relationship" into the scenario play.
As the Visual Novel standard was adopted, the erotic parts in ero-games began to become less and less apparent. More and more people who used to reject such type of games began to become more open-minded that it isn't just about sex anymore. And as more and more softhouses began to adopt the "crying game" standard, both the industry and the consumers began to look at "hey, ero-games CAN have great stories after all!"
Hence, a successful ero-game transformed itself from:
[hard-core porno games with mindless sex] -------> [heart-warming love simulation game with an added touch of sex]
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-10-04, 13:03
The main heroine and your osananajimi isn't a virgin...
And there were like two girls in the game who wore something I had never seen in a Elf game until I played Kakyuusei 2:PANTS!! And Yes it was a bit of a surprise that the main female character isn't a virgin(And judging from how she acted she probably did it alot.) combined with the whole pants thing this was pretty refreshing.
Kj1980 also once again you always tell us some informative things. And as always you have our thanks for coming here and telling us things most of us wouldn't know about without you.I especially wanted to know how the whole Ero-industry evolved so you get a big SANKYUU from me.
Chapter Four - Importation of such games into Console Consumer Market
It is obvious that "games with better story" had more "citizenship rights" to be imported over to the console market than cheap-sex games.
One of the first ero-games to be imported over to the console was Elf's "Dragon Knight 2" which was released on the PC-Engine.
To be imported meant several things:
A. The game was successful enough that it could be sold on consumer consoles
B. But of course, there are tighter restricitions on console systems, so erotic sex scenes need to be cut out
On the plus side, the consumer console market had some pretty good gaming systems that they were capable of doing something that the ero-games for the PC couldn't back then - add character voices.
Elf's "Dokyusei" also followed in a similar fashion - first on the PC-Engine and then on the Sega Saturn. F&C's "Pia Carrot" series lead the path by importing much of their series onto the console format. And Leaf attained much success to non-PC users by heavily promoting their "To Heart" game onto the Sony Playstation.
During the mid 1990s, the console game industry was moving from the triad lead of Super Famicom/Sega Megadrive/NEC PC-Engine towards the dual superpowers of Sony Playstation vs Sega Saturn. During this time, the PC-Engine was becoming a dying format in which it managed to survive as long as it could by utilizing its voice capability on its CD-ROM2. The Sega Saturn and its successor, the Sega Dreamcast will inevitably follow a similar pattern as well. The last Dreamcast sale was on December of 2001, but still importation of ero-games onto the Dreamcast still continues to this date, such as:
Tsuki wa Higashi ni, Hi wa Nishi ni ~Operation Sanctuary~ (2004.6)
Patishe Nyanko ~hatsukoi wa ichigo aji~ (2004.9)
Suigetsu ~Mayoi gokoro~ (2004.10)
What is happening to the industry as a whole is that they began to understand that hard-core maniacs are suckers:
A. An ero-game is released on the Windows platform
B. If the game was successful, it will be imported onto the Dreamcast with sex scenes cut out. As an added plus on removing sex scenes, new scenarios, event graphics, and possibly a new character may be introduced on the Dreamcast version
C. Wait several months later, and release the game onto the more popular PS2 format. Some alterations are made, perhaps the OP theme might be changed to distinguish it from the Dreamcast version. As a plus for those who bought the Dreamcast version, they might add some more new scenarios
D. After several months, they will re-import all the added items from the consumer console release back into the PC format as an "all ages version"
E. Or they may re-import all the added items from the consumer console release and re-add the sex scenes to all the new characters that they added.
Hard-core maniacs are suckers. They will buy all of them. Each time a new "release" is made, the makers add something special into them that drags Mr. Yukichi (the guy on the 10,000 yen bill) out of our wallets.
Here's an example of some extreme manipulation:
1. An ero-game called "Green Green" was released
2. They decide to release two different consumer console versions of "Green Green" - one for the XBox titled "Green Green ~Kane no Iro Dynamic~" and the other for the PS2 "Green Green ~Kane no Iro Romantic~." Both had new extra characters on them...except that the added character on the XBox version was different from the the added character in the PS2 version
3. HOWEVER! Since the XBox isn't doing so well in Japan, they've decided to drop the XBox version "Green Green ~Kane no Iro Dynamic" all together and release that for the PS2 instead
4. BUT! They still released the original PS2 version's "Green Green ~Kane no Iro Romantic" as well
5. Hence what you ended up was that you had two games with the same title on the same PS2 platform, with each version having two different extra characters than the other!
6. Basically, what the softhouse is saying is that "if you want to play the two new characters, you have to buy both versions"
Hard core maniacs are suckers. We know it ourselves. They know it all too well too. But then, what the softhouses are doing is nothing more than following basic Japanese marketing strategy that had developed since the 1970s - milking money out of people who will buy them (I believe that the American anime distributor ADVFilms is practically following this marketing strategy from what I have been reading on this board for the past year or so).
What is happening here is that instead of "having your favorite game being imported onto the console game that you own," it is more like "when your favorite ero-game is imported, you HAVE to buy all of them"
Chapter Five - Ero-games becoming Anime
Actually, this isn't all that new. Many ero-games did become animated. However, they were only restriced to being "18 and older" pornographic OVA anime releases. It is simple to say that "well duh, the original game was erotic, isn't it obvious that the anime is going to be porno material for the adult video market?" However, the truth was that the anime versions of these ero-games barely touched on the actual story and plot lines - most of the animated parts were focused on sex scenes. In a sense, these OVAs were not truly "the anime version of the original ero-game."
But then, one anime began to open a path to change all that. In 1998, an anime called "Night Walker ~Midnight Detective" was aired as a twelve episode anime series (obviously sex scenes were cut out). The original ero-game was released back in 1993. This is the first actual anime TV series that was based on an ero-game. Around the same time, "Dokyusei 2" also aired, but this was more like "re-hashing the erotic OVA episodes, and editing them without the sex scenes for airing on TV."
While it "Night Walker" and "Dokyusei 2" did get attention at the time, the anime itself didn't do so well.
However, in the same year, the TV series "Sentimental Journey" which was based on the gal-game "Sentimental Graffitti" did pretty well (pretty ironic since the original game was crap). The success of this ignited the light that "TV anime inspired by ero/gal-games actually had some market value"
The first real successful TV anime that was inspired by an ero-game was technically AQUAPLUS' (the consumer arm of the softhouse Leaf) "To Heart" in April of 1999.
By this time, the Japanese anime industry was in a situation where dozens or so anime companies were scrambling against each other for short 13~26 episode late-night spots on TV channels. Otakus call this "shinya-waku ranritsu jidai" (The war of late night TV spots).
Anime companies wanted ideas fast to get a lead from their competitiors. Ero-game companies yearned to "make something like an anime, but don't have the money to do so." Eventually, the two got their points together, and you started have more and more anime based on ero/gal-games being released.
Just from what I can think of, here are the "anime based on ero/gal-games as they increased by year":
1998
Dokyusei 2
Night Walker ~Midnight Detective~
Kakyusei ~Anata dake o Mitsumete~
Sentimental Journey
1999
To Heart
Kakyusei
2000
Sakura Taisen
2001
Comic Party
Sakura Taisen ~the Movie~
2002
Kanon
Pia Carrot e Youkoso! the Movie ~ Sayaka no Koi Monogatari~
2003
Lime-iro Senkitan
Green Green
D.C. ~da capo~
Popotan
Yami to Boushi to Hon no Tabibito
Kimi ga Nozomu Eien
Shingetsutan Tsukihime
2004
Kita he ~Diamond Dust Drops~
Yumeria
Tsuki wa Higashi ni, Hi wa Nishi ni ~ Operation Sanctuary~
Wind -a breath of Heart-
To Heart ~ Remember my Memories~
Kakyusei 2 ~Hitomi no Nakano Shoujo Tachi~
Mahou Shoujo Lilikal Nanoha
Final Approach
W ~Wish~
Harukanaru Toki no Nakade
Myneribe
2005
AIR (TV series)
AIR (the movie)
Suki na Mono wa Suki dakara Shouganai
IZUMO2
Lime-iro Senkitan X
MuvLuv (?)
As you can see, more and more big-hit ero-games started coming onto the TV anime format. Leaf's "Comic Party," CIRCUS' "D.C. ~da capo~," Key's "Kanon," and age's "Kimi ga Nozomu Eien," just to name a few.
Then again, there are also anime based on ero-games that didn't do so modestly - such as "Popotan" and "Yami to Hon no Tabibito." These were more like they were selected due to the high quality of their CG work (both of these ero-games were done by pretty famous illustrators). In the end, even a doujin game - TYPE-MOON's "Tsukihime" went on to become an anime. Right now, it is not so modest to say that currently, "ero-games are created with an anime market in their view." I mean I'm sure I am not the only one who already sees "Fate/stay night" as an obvious anime marketing material.
In 2001, the first movie based on a all-ages love simulation game was released - Sakura Taisen The Movie. In 2002, "Pia Carrot ~Sayaka~" became the first anime movie that was based on an ero-game. Early next year, the second anime movie based on an ero-game, "AIR" will be released. It is astounding that the director for this is Sir Dezaki Osamu - a highly respected veteran anime director who directed major classic anime hits such as "Kyojin no Hoshi" and "Ace o Nerae!" In 2005, the first TV anime based on a ero-bishounen game (ero-game targeted for girls), "Suki na Mono wa Suki dakara Shouganai" will also begin airing on TV. The momentum for ero-game turned anime is unstoppable.
Non-erotic bishoujo games turned anime also increased. As noted above, in addition to "Sentimental Journey" (based on "Sentimental Graffitti"), you have "Kita e ~Diamond Dust Drops~," "Sakura Taisen," and "Harukanaru Toki no Nakade."
Perhaps, you can also add animes such as "Sister Princess" and "HAPPY LESSON" to the list. I mean, "you suddenly have 12 young sister all in love with you," or "you have five beautiful moms as your teachers looking after you." The plot line screams that it could've come from an ero-game. But, I intentionally left these two out since these two were original ideas that were serialized on Dengeki G's Magazine.
Then what kind of anime do these ero/gal game based stories evolve into? Well, duh. If you take in what was in the original story as an anime, you have a single male lead revolving around dozens of pretty girls - a typical harlem anime. While going through each sub-heroines' story, the main plot line evolves by maintaining and growing the relationship between the main male lead and the main heroine. Then there are those anime where no male lead exists at all and everything is told from the female characters' point of view ("Popotan" and "Yami to Boushi to Hon no Tabibito"). And then, there are those anime where each episode focuses on each individual female characters without the existence of a male lead ("Kita e" and "Sentimental Journey")
And then there are some interesting titles such as the anime version of "Comic Party." The main story of the anime involved the male lead, Sendou Kazuki working hard to attain the pinnacle of the doujin world. Interestingly, this ero-game based anime had the female characters as supporting roles rather than a love interest.
"Mahou Shoujo Lilikal Nanoha," which currently started airing this season is also pretty interesting to note about. This all began as a spin-off of the ero-game "Triangle Heart 3 ~ Sweet Songs Forever~" as a joke. The extra joke story within the original game was "what if we take the main character's younger sister and make it into a magical girl story?" (Think of it as something like the relationship of "Tenchi Muyo" to "Pretty Sammy" or "SoulTaker" and "Nurse Witch Komugi-chan"). Somehow this joke began to turn into reality (which is why the saying goes in Japanese anime industry "don't make a joke without thinking about the consequences"). What you have here now is a mahou shojo story that was originally developed as a joke plot within an ero-game.
Another interesting note is on the voices for these types of ero-game turned anime (or ero-game turned consumer console games). There are usually two ways these occur:
A. The seiyuu cast is entirely different from the ero-game and the anime/console version ("D.C. ~da capo~")
B. The seiyuus sound exactly the same, but the names are different
Focusing on "B," you have a character on the ero-game version and a character in the anime whose seiyuu's names are different, but they sound exactly the same. This is because the seiyuus use pseudonyms (even they themselves don't mind, their talent agency does not want the image of their seiyuus doing the voices for an erotic game, especially if they are rather well known seiyuus). Hence, what you have is something written like "the reason why you think they sound the same is because the seiyuus are long-lost relatives to each other" (How it was explained on NekoNeko Soft's HP for the consumer versus ero-game version for their game, "Mizuiro")
Say for instance, you have a big name female seiyuu who has leads roles in NHK children's anime show, using a pseudonym when she plays the role of a nice and grudging sister on a big hit ero-game (more bluntly: Mizuhashi Kaori = Uehara Tomomi). And you have a big name male seiyuu who in the light plays the role of a hard-broiled car driver while he uses a different name to make appearances in many ero-games. (Once again, more bluntly: Koyasu Takehito = Jumonji Hayato)
Thanks for the interesting read kj. :)
I have only played three ero games. Kana ~Imouto~ (DO), Ecchi na Bunny-san wa kirai? 2 (ZyX) and Tsuki: Possession (ZyX).
Everyone already knows about Kana, so I'll just say I agree with them. It's very touching and it has very little sex. I think it's possible to get to at least one ending without seeing one sex scene.
DYLHB?2 was more hardcore. It didn't have much of a story and while the characters were pretty interesting and had different peronalities, they were also a bit cliché. You know, there is something for everyone (except small breasts).
I found the game to be quite enjoyable despite it's very straightforward nature. The story (or whatever you want to call it) is quite happy. Nothing bad really happens to the protagonist and it puts you on a cheerful mood.
The artwork is simply amazing. The art style is one of my all time favourites in any anime/manga related product and the quality of the drawings is top notch. Some H-scenes are also animated, although they're only short looping animations.
I'm not yet done with Tsuki, so I can't say much about it, except the protagonist is a psycho, which I really dislike. He suddenly starts hearing voices in his head, gains knowledge in chemistry, hypnotism and possibly other subjects. Then he basically rapes girls or just blackmails them into having sex with him.
Again, amazing artwork from ZyX. The game looks very much like DYLHB?2, although the atmoshpere is radically different.
DarkCntry
2004-10-04, 16:47
Kana is probably one of the very few that you can get through the entire game and only have a single sex scene. Yumi's antagonist role in many of the story arcs is something that has to be done, no matter what course you take, you will have one ero scene.
Basically my likes for ero's became obvious for the ones that emphasized a deeper story over random sex. I'm not much fond of games like Tsuki or it's related brethren. Games like Bible Black with their 'kinky' nature are borderline for me because their story is far more engaging, but the scenes are far more hardcore. Games like Kana, Heart de Roommate, Private Nurse, and Crescendo all created an atmosphere of relationship and meaning before it pursued into the world of sex, and even when it did delve into the sex side of things, it kept it more emotional than erotic. Games like Chain which incorporate sex as a main plotline is something of an enigma to me, I enjoyed it despite me not normally liking the whole "sleep with everything that walks" feel. The way they incorporated sex as a story-driven element is probably what helped it for me. Then comes KGNE...a game that has quite a bit of erotic elements but also forged onto a very deep and thought-provoking story. I'm guessing because it was a story I can easily relate to is what kept me playing it and then watching the anime. The same could be said to DC and Kanon, however I haven't been capable of playing all of DCs games.
There is yet another game that I didn't think I'd be interested in at all, Divi-Dead...the thriller/horror-style story kept me further engaged while the erotic scenes just kept a specific flow of the game going. I think it was just because there are actually only a few of the titles out there that have been localized to English that have the style of story that Divi-Dead had, I had become fascinated by it's depth.
bluemist
2004-10-05, 03:31
Hard core maniacs are suckers. We know it ourselves. They know it all too well too. But then, what the softhouses are doing is nothing more than following basic Japanese marketing strategy that had developed since the 1970s - milking money out of people who will buy them (I believe that the American anime distributor ADVFilms is practically following this marketing strategy from what I have been reading on this board for the past year or so).
What is happening here is that instead of "having your favorite game being imported onto the console game that you own," it is more like "when your favorite ero-game is imported, you HAVE to buy all of them"
Very crazy indeed! Softhouses haven't heard of that other great technology called 'expansion packs'. Yea, they feel the need to repackage the same game and just add itty bitty extras and still make it sell, instead of upgrades to the existing game.
Because I liked the anime Da Capo I researched about the game, then I find out it was not just 'one game'. I have seen a hell lot of titles with DC on it (DCPS, DCPC, DCWS, DCSV). I have tried DCPC myself (DCPC = Da Capo + new characters), and I can tell a 'late Da Capo fan' will be lucky because (tell me if I'm wrong because I'm not Japanese) there is an option to play the original game without the new characters on it. It's like having the original DC as well.
And then milking further in terms of remakes (Leaf Visual Novel Series?) and sequels (what's with Memories Off/Pia Carrot 3.xx numbers?) and spinoffs (Akane Maniax) and fandiscs (too many to mention).
kj1980: Thanks for that interesting ero-game history and look-back by the way!
sarcasteak
2004-10-05, 04:00
My goodness, kj1980, you've really outdone yourself this time! I'll be sure to give you a positive rep as soon as I'm allowed to! :bow:
Because I liked the anime Da Capo I researched about the game, then I find out it was not just 'one game'. I have seen a hell lot of titles with DC on it (DCPS, DCPC, DCWS, DCSV). I have tried DCPC myself (DCPC = Da Capo + new characters), and I can tell a 'late Da Capo fan' will be lucky because (tell me if I'm wrong because I'm not Japanese) there is an option to play the original game without the new characters on it. It's like having the original DC as well.
Yah, there was a lot of DCs...I was quite surprised when I found out, too. :D
I have never played an erogame in my entire life but that was a very very interesting read, kj1980. A lot of things are making much more sense than they used to and it gives me a better understanding about the anime scene there. Thank you very very very much... You can't believe what a great help you are being to the English anime community as a lot of such insight and information is usually kept in the Japanese anime community and few people can bring so much over so clearly.
As for
I don't know the proper English word for it, but Elf's patented "dizzer" management in combining different colors over another per pixel to "make-believe" that many colors exist was practically an art on its own.
The word is "dither" :) I think a lot of us are quite familiar with that.
Zephronite
2004-10-05, 06:12
Duel Saviour is good fun.
Zap zap zap.
http://sapporo.cool.ne.jp/zephro/zap.JPG
ipridian
2004-10-05, 08:50
^^ .. Mine are currently :
True Love
Crescendo
Come See Me Tonight
Kango Shicyauzo 2 ~ Is the Sorority House Burning ? ~
kj1980 - That was very interesting !
Didn't even thought you would bother to make something that long :p
Duel Saviour is good fun.
Zap zap zap.
http://sapporo.cool.ne.jp/zephro/zap.JPG Looks interesting ;)
But rpg+fight is always good IMO :D
EtherNEZ
2004-10-07, 19:51
Blimey kj1980 !! I'll bet your fingers must have been steaming after typing that many mammoth posts.
Seriously : very informative and a wonderful insight as has been pointed out already . Thank you for spending the time to do it, it is appreciated.
Now It's just a race between : waiting for Kanon to be completely translated (at least for Mai's part ;) ) OR finish learning sufficient Japanese to carry on myself and enjoy it for every story arc too (rather than spend ages looking up every other Kanji or so, which distinctly ruins the mood). ^_^
And then there's AIR, Wind, Clannad, One etc etc....etc etc... oh dear.
*sniffs around at Duel Saviour* Hmmm..... will investigate.
DarkCntry
2004-10-08, 00:22
Well just completely finished Idols Galore and despite it not normally being a game I'd play, it kinda reverses the emphasis on sex and story...for example, the first half for the girls revolves around setting them up for erotic jobs to undermine your rival manager...very little to do with actual sex or visually displaying sex here...the mid-point of the game starts delving more into the story but it also brings the start of the sex scenes...ok, here's where it starts to feel like many other sex-games :P That's what I thought until I started towards the end...each girl's arc, including the harem arc, actually starts to make sense, the sex starts to actually play a more romantic role in the story...which is funny considering the harem arc, since it is normally seen as just an erotic tromp to get all the girls in the game naked at once....
I was pleasantly surprised at the game's story...it's no Crescendo or equal, but on it's own, it's pretty good for a light-romantic comedy.
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-10-17, 16:56
Another Elf game's coming out this month. It's called Worths Worth. Okay most of us may know that It's a remake of the original but the best thing about this remake is Its XP compatible. So we won't have to worry about running into any problems setting it up or during the game. I'm not sure if theres going to be any additions to the game like new mini games or new events or anything like that thou. Anyone mind filling me in on that? Anyway what do you guys think of this game?
Mashimaro
2004-10-23, 12:43
Kgne
Kanon
D.C.~Da Capo~
Cute cute girls. also great anime remade from these games.
Kam_Islash
2004-10-24, 04:47
Currently, my favorite is SoS but ic ant play it on XP
I downloaded Kana Little sister....
But its in a whole bunch of weird files (Namely .bin, .zip, .cue,and .rar)
The same thing happened to Do you Like Horny Bunnies and X change 2.
What the deuce is going on.
(I hope this topic wasnt too old...I fund it by google search)
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You might have better luck buying them. :)
Kam_Islash
2004-10-24, 14:17
Not enough shinies.....
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Not enough shinies.....
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Get a cute piggy bank, put some "shinies" in it every now and then, and Voila! Before you know it, you have enough to buy Kana - Little Sister. Truly a game worth buying if I ever saw one.
Mr_Paper
2004-10-24, 20:54
Currently, my favorite is SoS but ic ant play it on XP
I downloaded Kana Little sister....
But its in a whole bunch of weird files (Namely .bin, .zip, .cue,and .rar)
The same thing happened to Do you Like Horny Bunnies and X change 2.
What the deuce is going on.
(I hope this topic wasnt too old...I fund it by google search)
'///Try buying the games instead of downloading rips of them. -.-
DarkCntry
2004-10-24, 22:25
And people wonder why G-C is moving on with Virtual Mate........ :rolleyes:
Kam_Islash
2004-10-25, 00:36
I hate to break it to you, but college students who live on a 20 dollar a week for food allowance provided by their mother and subsist on burritos generally do not have that kind of cash.
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I hate to break it to you, but college students who live on a 20 dollar a week for food allowance provided by their mother and subsist on burritos generally do not have that kind of cash.
///Anyway, asking for help to use illegal material is against the rules because nobody want to have legal problems here :P
The same thing happened to Do you Like Horny BunniesThat game isn't even worse downloading anyway, just throw this crap away :D (sorry had to say it :P)
DarkCntry
2004-10-25, 01:31
I hate to break it to you, but college students who live on a 20 dollar a week for food allowance provided by their mother and subsist on burritos generally do not have that kind of cash.
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I got by apparently...besides, this is a luxury, not a neccesity. I'd love it if that mentality would work though...I'd be walking into my nearest BMW or Lexus dealership and stealing a car with the excuse that I'm a poor unemployed college student....think that would work?
Get a job, I worked 3 jobs while going to college full time, didn't bother me one bit. If you want the luxuries, you have to learn to earn them.
I got by apparently...besides, this is a luxury, not a neccesity. I'd love it if that mentality would work though...I'd be walking into my nearest BMW or Lexus dealership and stealing a car with the excuse that I'm a poor unemployed college student....think that would work?
Get a job, I worked 3 jobs while going to college full time, didn't bother me one bit. If you want the luxuries, you have to learn to earn them.
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"He who is without sin among you, let him throw the first stone at her."
(Bible, John, chapter 8, verse 7)
StoneColdCrazy
2004-10-25, 13:41
"He who is without sin among you, let him throw the first stone at her."
(Bible, John, chapter 8, verse 7)
"When I said that I loved you I meant that I love you forever."
(REO Speedwagon - Keep on Loving You, from Hi Infidelity, 1980.)
SCC
DarkCntry
2004-11-15, 14:47
...
"He who is without sin among you, let him throw the first stone at her."
(Bible, John, chapter 8, verse 7)
I don't deny that I've downloaded games before, but I will admit that all of the games that I have download have also been purchased, yes, this includes the ones that I despised with a passion. I don't believe in taking what isn't mine, but I also cannot see spending the prices some of these programs cost without some prior hands-on with it.
Of course, lately I've become much more pickier in my choices with games, so I haven't had an issue as of late, so I haven't even been downloading games for a while now.
AzureLight
2004-11-15, 15:45
Hmm. Completed Snow Drop, Jewel Knights Crusaders, Tottemo Pheromone, Kango Shicyauzo 2, Come See Me Tonight, Private Nurse, Secret Wives' Club and Shikaeshi.
I have an extensive knowledge of H-games, but can't play them due to limitations like geographical position and availability.
I am yet to play Heart de Roommate, it's ready and installed in my laptop, but will all the workload I'm having right now I doubt it o_O
So where WOULD you get collections of H images from Tsukihime?
If asking this is not allowed here, somebody just yell out "fuzzy bananas!" and I'll forget about it.
Leo_Otaku
2004-11-15, 17:22
I'm a huge KEY fan ^-^
Kanon and AIR
I don't own Clannad yet I would like to see if a PS2 version will come out ^-^"
Any case kj1980 what is the story for this one?here (http://key.visualarts.gr.jp/product/planetarian/index.htm)
MakubeX2
2004-11-15, 17:39
I'm a huge KEY fan ^-^
Kanon and AIR
I don't own Clannad yet I would like to see if a PS2 version will come out ^-^"
Any case kj1980 what is the story for this one?here (http://key.visualarts.gr.jp/product/planetarian/index.htm)
From the summary, Planetarian looks to be some Sci-Fi stuffs like Spielberg's AI.
Taｌks about how a city's was abandoned 30 year piror to the story because of biological warfare and now it's run by War Machine with AI.
And now a guy (the protagonist?) is visiting the place and encounter a gitl in a planetarium.
The girl, Yumeru, is a spoiled robot, seems to be waiting for someone for the past 30 years. And now all she can do is to act as a projector.
The guy will now patch her up to see what she has to say about her past.....
Village Idiot
2004-11-15, 18:55
Right now, I'm near obsessed with "Fate/ Stay Night" by Type-Moon :D
I don't deny that I've downloaded games before, but I will admit that all of the games that I have download have also been purchased, yes, this includes the ones that I despised with a passion. I don't believe in taking what isn't mine, but I also cannot see spending the prices some of these programs cost without some prior hands-on with it.
I don't understand you now. You bought ALL the games you've downloaded over the years, yet you say you need a system to check out these games first? Why? You're going to buy them anyway. Best to have the original box, probably a doll or two to go along with it, with a nice printed DVD inside. I really don't see any logic in this.
There's only two logical answers you can give to us now: either you're too impatient to get the games in your mailbox (which is complete bull if you ask me, I rather wait for something I order) OR you want to see which games you'll actually buy.
Basic human logic tells us not to buy something you don't like. Why? Because you'd be wasting your money. Period. These games can go all the way up to 90 dollars and the rips you get from Winny or Share or whatever warez program you're getting them from aren't for example fansubs which have lower quality than the DVDs. No, you get an exact copy of a game which you can play normally, mostly without much problems.
(If the thread participants were jury and you were on trial for downloading those games, you know what the verdict would be, don't you?).
We turn in to criminals as soon as we go online, you know that, right? ;)
DarkCntry
2004-11-16, 00:23
I support an industry such as this, even if I don't like the product. My logic is that it is my logic, something I don't expect other's to possibly understand. As it stands, in the last 4 years of me actively purchasing ero's direct from Japan, I've only purchased three titles that I previously categorized as 'crap' in my opinion...now why did I do this despite me not loking the title, was it because I wasted money...no, I did it because I downloaded the program with the intent that I was going to purchase it, then I turned around and resold it, lost maybe $5 in the shipping.
As you can see, I don't end up wasting my money, there are people out there with different tastes to mine and ones that will more than likely like the titles I don't, and I kinda hope it's true. This will allow me to follow my standards of wanting a shareware-style setup and still paying to support the genre.
Of course, I couldn't care less what you or anyone else thinks of me...let alone quote Biblical scripture...but please, engage the brain before trying to throw out insults. As for the quality, that's up to debate...several fansub groups release DVD-ripped versions, other's are strictly rippers...either way, there is no loss of quality and thus makes your arguement between the games and anime moot.
Besides, taking for example here...
I downloaded CRC on the whim of a friend's recommendation, in the beginning I didn't like the game all that much, but despite that I still purchased the, at the time, $95 game only to continue to play it and find that I actually started to enjoy it. To me, it was well worth the gamble that I took. I'm not rich, far from it...hell my last paycheck was *just* $150 after taxes because of slashing of my hours, but I will still do whatever I need to support something that I believe in...There are very few companies I will buy blindly from...Age, Key, and some Angel Smile products, I almost faithfully purchase all products from them just on principle alone because I want them to keep producing the good titles. Yes, this is a huge waste of money to some, but for me, I find that I feel better about myself for supporting a small community that I like.
RunningTARGET
2004-11-16, 01:04
I downloaded Kana Little sister....
But its in a whole bunch of weird files (Namely .bin, .zip, .cue,and .rar)
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These are image files, though zip and rar are archive files, dont know what they are then dont bother.
I'm also one of those who downloads before I buy kind of people, if I dont like a particular game i just delete it. Same thing goes with fansubs.
And dont tell me those who haven't downloaded anything illegal didnt at least download an illegal mp3 in their lives.
Anyway back on topic.
English: Private Nurse
Japanese: Wind A Breath Of Heart (and yes I will buy the rerealeased game when the english patch comes out)
Village Idiot
2004-11-16, 01:55
Anyway back on topic.
English: Private Nurse
Japanese: Wind A Breath Of Heart (and yes I will buy the rerealeased game when the english patch comes out)
Well you won't have to wait long, the english patch for Wind is finished and is scheduled for release sometime within 3 months ^_^
I'm just waiting for the english patch on Fate/ Stay Night...that game is incredible!!
Also, I'm wondering if its legal here to post a link to an english translation of the Fate/ Stay Night Demo? The demo was originally a public release as a free download.
Well you won't have to wait long, the english patch for Wind is finished and is scheduled for release sometime within 3 months ^_^
I'm just waiting for the english patch on Fate/ Stay Night...that game is incredible!!
Also, I'm wondering if its legal here to post a link to an english translation of the Fate/ Stay Night Demo? The demo was originally a public release as a free download.
I love that Saber Avatar! Yeah animesuki is an anime video fansub only site, but I guess there could be no harm *cough* in mentioning *cough* insani *cough* org *cough * because they are an expert group comprised of the very same fansubbers who do unlicensed anime.
MakubeX2
2004-11-16, 03:21
Fate/Stay Night is good, but I think that they should translate something dark and emotional such as Tenshi Inai No Jyuuni Gatsu (http://www.freetype.net/reviews/review.php?sid=00,0001130,20040228) ( 天使いないの十二月 ) as a test to see how emotionally mature the average western Gal Gamer/Anime fan is.
I've played it and was never the same gal gamer and to some extent, the same person I was.
As of now, I'm playing Fifth Aile (http://img117.exs.cx/img117/4576/FifthAile.jpg). Yah, loli yarugee (borderline kichiku), I know.But read my user title. :p
Hmm. Completed Snow Drop, Jewel Knights Crusaders, Tottemo Pheromone, Kango Shicyauzo 2, Come See Me Tonight, Private Nurse, Secret Wives' Club and Shikaeshi.
I have an extensive knowledge of H-games, but can't play them due to limitations like geographical position and availability.
I am yet to play Heart de Roommate, it's ready and installed in my laptop, but will all the workload I'm having right now I doubt it o_OYou don't really sound to have that much h-games knowledge (like English H-games were good H-games samples :uhoh: :heh: ) to me :)
As of now, I'm playing Fifth Aile (http://img117.exs.cx/img117/4576/FifthAile.jpg). Yah, loli yarugee (borderline kichiku), I know.But read my user title. :pThis game looks really cute :D
AzureLight
2004-11-16, 11:44
You don't really sound to have that much h-games knowledge (like English H-games were good H-games samples :uhoh: :heh: ) to me :)
Ha. H-game knowledge is not a contest. I did tell you that I can't get the ones not translated, even though my Japanese is sufficient enough to at least play them.
Of course the English-translated ones suck. But those are the only ones I can get.
...It's not a contest.
Ha. H-game knowledge is not a contest. I did tell you that I can't get the ones not translated, even though my Japanese is sufficient enough to at least play them.
Of course the English-translated ones suck. But those are the only ones I can get.
...It's not a contest.I never said it was a contest, I just said that saying you have a good knowledge of H-games while saying you're only playing English H-games is just plain wrong.
I hope you understand what I mean.
In no way I was thinking of this as a contest or anything : I'm just pointing out that most English H-games are bad examples of those sort of games.
If I really wanted to do a contest I would have just given the names+getchu link or whatever of all the H-games I currently have on my computer (not counting those I lost because of bad DVD/CD).
Timeless Enigma
2004-11-16, 23:54
My favourite ero-game is D.C. ~Da Capo~ White Season right now simply because of the mini game "After Banana" :heh:
Village Idiot
2004-11-17, 02:58
I'm really hoping for either a group to sub Da Capo or a company to license the game.
Well there was a group that was considering to translate it, but it was either Da Capo or Kimi ga Nozomu Eien, and KgNE won :P
Da Capo must be pretty damn popular in Japan for it to spawn 2 sequel/side-stories along with a remake with 4 (I think) new characters.
AzureLight
2004-11-17, 07:30
I'm really hoping for either a group to sub Da Capo or a company to license the game.
Da Capo must be pretty damn popular in Japan for it to spawn 2 sequel/side-stories along with a remake with 4 (I think) new characters.
D.C. is created by Circus (http://circus.nandemo.gr.jp/), who also did a lot of games, including Suika. While D.C. became a 26-ep TV anime, Suika became an H-anime.
They are also responsible for Mai-HiME.
D.C. is created by Circus (http://circus.nandemo.gr.jp/), who also did a lot of games, including Suika. While D.C. became a 26-ep TV anime, Suika became an H-anime.
They are also responsible for Mai-HiME.Usually, H-games with good reputation will come into anime (usually after a few others games based on them).
Hopefully, F&C will soon make a Suigetsu anime :D
MakubeX2
2004-11-17, 09:02
Usually, H-games with good reputation will come into anime (usually after a few others games based on them).
Hopefully, F&C will soon make a Suigetsu anime :D
Not necessary. Kizuato is still not animated after nearly a decade despite being one of the pioneer game of the entire visual novel genre.
bluemist
2004-11-17, 09:26
D.C. is created by Circus (http://circus.nandemo.gr.jp/), who also did a lot of games, including Suika. While D.C. became a 26-ep TV anime, Suika became an H-anime.
They are also responsible for Mai-HiME.
Circus and Mai-HiME... related? How?
Not necessary. Kizuato is still not animated after nearly a decade despite being one of the pioneer game of the entire visual novel genre.
I guess Leaf Visual Novel #2 (Kizuato) got overshadowed by #3 (To Heart), which was the one that is animated... twice so far.
AzureLight
2004-11-17, 09:54
Usually, H-games with good reputation will come into anime (usually after a few others games based on them).
Hopefully, F&C will soon make a Suigetsu anime :D
わは~!
Circus and Mai-HiME... related? How?
Check Circus' site, it's in their lineup under the Metal division.
I guess Leaf Visual Novel #2 (Kizuato) got overshadowed by #3 (To Heart), which was the one that is animated... twice so far.
Yes, To Heart is more popular that Kizuato as it seems. Although personally I like White Album better. Yuki Morikawa is my idol!
MakubeX2
2004-11-19, 05:41
It's a bit late for this but.....
. ⅩⅩⅩii
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{～～～～}
￣￣￣￣￣￣
Happy belated 32th Birthday Mitsumi Misato-sama.
Forgot that her birthday falls on the 16 Nov.
How times flies,she was such a young thing when she started out in Pia 2 and now she's an Obasan. :p
FYI :-
Mistumi Misato is a much celebrated (female) artist for lots of popular Ero-Game.
Her portfolio includes Pia Carrot 2, Comic Party and Utawarerumono.
ちゃん様三十路flash
http://www.geocities.co.jp/Playtown-Queen/3186/happy323.html
ちゃん様四十路カウンター
http://comipa_queen.at.infoseek.co.jp/323.html
To anyone who hasnt tried x-change or the second in the series, go out and get em :p They are funny as hell and a good replay when you try and unlock all the CG ^_^ Not to mention the art stle is pleasing to the eye.
bishounen_blue
2004-11-28, 01:52
I hate to break it to you, but college students who live on a 20 dollar a week for food allowance provided by their mother and subsist on burritos generally do not have that kind of cash.
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You only do that because you choose to. Don't give me such an excuse. I am a full time college student and I have a full time job as well. I have plenty of money to buy games instead of stealing them, and I pay my tuition without borrowing money from a bank. Now, it's very difficult to do it this way, but it's not difficult to get a part time job to buy a couple of ero games. You just choose not to work. That's fine, but it doesn't justify the illegal downloading of ero games.
HK anime seeker
2004-11-28, 02:20
You only do that because you choose to. Don't give me such an excuse. I am a full time college student and I have a full time job as well. I have plenty of money to buy games instead of stealing them, and I pay my tuition without borrowing money from a bank. Now, it's very difficult to do it this way, but it's not difficult to get a part time job to buy a couple of ero games. You just choose not to work. That's fine, but it doesn't justify the illegal downloading of ero games.
Thats true, Its realy up to you to find that extra bit of money. Get a part time job, go rob a bank, its better then just sitting on your ass and just whining that "I don't get enough maney" and also its up to time managment. Anyone can take a parttime and study at the same time you know :uhoh:
go rob a bankPersonally, I'd prefer he go download games instead of robbing a bank, but that's just a personnal opinion :P
Zephronite
2004-11-28, 07:47
Nekomimi make me go...
Kita----------!!
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-11-28, 13:00
Personally, I'd prefer he go download games instead of robbing a bank, but that's just a personnal opinion :P
Robbing a bank is too risky so getting a job is the much better choice. That way you won't be complaining on how broke you are and jobs can be pretty....fun sometimes. On a postive note I'm surprised(In a good way) my old topic is still going. :)
Anyone can take a parttime and study at the same time you know :uhoh:
That's not exactly true, but that's really off-topic. I'm still in HS and I have zero time to be part time working, because of our school system which is really study-focused. I admit I have 3 hours of free time during my studies, homework and sleep. And that's it. Just enough to watch an anime episode or play a game, take a shower, eat dinner and watch/read the news. Not everyone lives in the US where you can have As just like that and work part-time. One of my lame classmates was there for a year and he practically became a school hero (despite being bullied for being a foreigner).
These games are really cheap anyway. Takes me 5-6 hours to download them. :) Right now I'm playing a downloaded game called Onegai Papa! (and shut up you moralists, like you haven't downloaded an illegal thing in the world - ur fucken avatars are illegal)
~Uchiha~
2004-11-28, 16:38
Hentai/CARTOON PORN is rediculous, seriously guys. :bash:
These games are really cheap anyway. Takes me 5-6 hours to download them. :) Right now I'm playing a downloaded game called Onegai Papa! (and shut up you moralists, like you haven't downloaded an illegal thing in the world - ur fucken avatars are illegal)
Ahh, the typical excuse from the pirate book.
"Everyone has downloaded something illegal once in their lifetime, so it's my right to pirate these games!"
Note that you said that they are cheap to you, so why not buy them, eh? But I take it that was a typo and that you meant that they weren't cheap.
You should buy these games.
And so we get to the next excuse from the pirate book!
"They are too expensive, so I have the right to download them!"
Yeah, sure. Console games cost even more than $50. Yet people don't find that expensive.
Then we argue about how much work has gone into the games, and then we get the next rule.
"The games are low quality, so their price isn't fair, so I have the right to download them! This will cause the companies to see that their prices are too high, and they will lower it. So I'm actually doing them a favor."
It's the other way around, actually. Prices are lowered if a game sells really well, or if there isn't much demand for it, and gets thrown in the bargain bin. Next, prices will go up because else they wouldn't generate enough income.
Next the pirate book goes on about how the people who make the games are bastards, goes on and on about I-Tunes, how piracy isn't bad in general, etc.
Long live double standards.
Kamui4356
2004-11-28, 17:11
Hentai/CARTOON PORN is rediculous, seriously guys. :bash:
Play either kana: imoto or crescendo, then comment on it. :)
Seriously, you have a misconception about a lot of these games. Unfortunatly, most of the ones you have the misconception about don't get translated...
MakubeX2
2004-11-28, 17:38
Seriously though, speaking from my 8 years of H-gaming (don't ask me how I get them prior to boardband becoming the standard.)
A lot of those games sucks and not worth paying the inflated price for them.
You should see how many of those games are out in a month and how many publishers have come and go over the ages.
But I believe in paying the dues to the publisher if you find the soft to your liking.
As an exmaple, I've bought Fifth Aile from Rune and Jinkou Shojo 2 from Illusion.
Long live double standards.
Yeah, like how the actual makers of top-brand sports shoes cannot afford to buy them. Or how key animators make around $400 US a month to live by.
One way to curb piracy is to price a piece of software according to the economics of the country it's being sold in. If it's price the exact MSRP in US and Japan, just converted to the local currency, it's going to be too damn expensive (except in EU where you can afford it because your currency just owns). Of course pricing according to local economics can only be afforded if there's a good distribution system, and most software companies don't realize their software is reaching places they never intended to market to in the first place.
My colleague's brother ordered something original...and it got confiscating by customs because it was deemed pornographic. Pirates, however, are easily available because of the extensive black market. But rather than support that black market by purchasing a pirate, one can just download it. The former is not supporting the original creators. But at least the latter option is not supporting the profiteering thieves.
That was :topicoff: My most recent favorite was Come See Me Tonight, because it's consensual and monogamous.
bishounen_blue
2004-11-28, 22:34
That's not exactly true, but that's really off-topic. I'm still in HS and I have zero time to be part time working, because of our school system which is really study-focused. I admit I have 3 hours of free time during my studies, homework and sleep. And that's it. Just enough to watch an anime episode or play a game, take a shower, eat dinner and watch/read the news. Not everyone lives in the US where you can have As just like that and work part-time. One of my lame classmates was there for a year and he practically became a school hero (despite being bullied for being a foreigner).
I understand where you're coming from here. I know that many schools in Japan don't allow their students to work part time, even if they want to. My previous post was about college students, not high school. College students can get part time jobs, that's for sure. As for high school students, keep in mind that these games are intended to be sold only to people who are 18 or older. I graduated from high school when I was 17, but I it depends on your birthday. Many people are 18. Any high school student can get a part time summer job, so I think that the maximum amount of time that you could be 18+ and in high school would be about 9 months. So even the situation you present only applies to some people and only for a very limited amount of time. If you worked in the summer you could have plenty of money for ero games and anime during your senior year of high school. Again, it comes down to what you deem as important. If anime and anime style games are important to you, then you will buy and enjoy the legit games. If you simply don't care that much and want to get something for nothing, reguardless of the concequences, then you pirate. Really, it always boils down to that in the end.
"They are too expensive, so I have the right to download them!"[...]
"The games are low quality, so their price isn't fair, so I have the right to download them! This will cause the companies to see that their prices are too high, and they will lower it. So I'm actually doing them a favor."[...]
Next the pirate book goes on about how the people who make the games are bastards, goes on and on about I-Tunes, how piracy isn't bad in general, etc.
Gah, it's like reading V****fenix's guide to hypocrisy all over again, except it's in shortened form.
Hentai/CARTOON PORN is rediculous, seriously guys.
So, care to give a few valid arguments to back up that statement? And if you think ero-games like Kana - Little Sister and Crescendo are all about the sex, you are ignorant about this topic. Don't throw out statements about things you don't know anything about.
Kana - Little Sister and Crescendo are my favorite English games, for their great stories (IMO). Since my Japanese is next to non-existant, my favorite Japanese ero-games are mostly Studio E-go games, which usually have more gameplay than and fairly easy to understand stories, compared to the interactive novels. Games like the Men at Work series, Vagrants, My Fair Angel and a few others.
Ahh, the typical excuse from the pirate book.
"Everyone has downloaded something illegal once in their lifetime, so it's my right to pirate these games!"
"They are too expensive, so I have the right to download them!"
"The games are low quality, so their price isn't fair, so I have the right to download them! This will cause the companies to see that their prices are too high, and they will lower it. So I'm actually doing them a favor."
*laugh* And here I made my previous post to CLARIFY that I have NO intention of excusing myself of pirating ANYTHING. I do pirate... and so do you guys. We know we're all closet downloaders/pirates. THAT was the point of my post.
And your reply was a mixture of feeling you should say something really noble to all other people, thus becoming the downloading Christ himself, punishing all other pirates and not being able to read a board message properly.
These games are really cheap anyway. Takes me 5-6 hours to download them. :)
... and you actually mistook the joke for a serious statement. Just when I thought a leecher can't get any dumber.
I agree with bishounen_blue. If YOU really want to buy games, there's always a way you could buy those. I could too, probably. <--- Flame bait. So go ahead and take your best shot. Yet I won't make any excuses that I download. Wait... I'll say something else: There's actually a japanese campaign going on the internet after the whole Winny bubble burst. "We ALL download," is their main slogan. And they're right.
(btw, I'm 18 and will be in HS for something less than two years)
Gah, it's like reading V****fenix's guide to hypocrisy all over again, except it's in shortened form.
Not surprising, since that was my biggest influence for the post. :)
*laugh* And here I made my previous post to CLARIFY that I have NO intention of excusing myself of pirating ANYTHING. I do pirate... and so do you guys. We know we're all closet downloaders/pirates. THAT was the point of my post.
You did excuse yourself in the end, in stating that everyone downloads. That's an excuse, and one used by a lot of pirates. You're even saying the same thing further in your post.
And no matter what you say, just because you say everyone does it (true or not), that still doesn't give you the right to do it. Two wrongs don't make a right.
It's all thanks to people like you that localization companies like Peach Princess are having a tough time. I'm sure you're proud of yourself.
Hentai/CARTOON PORN is rediculous, seriously guys. :bash:
You should read my posts on a crash-course on ero-game history.
You did excuse yourself in the end, in stating that everyone downloads. That's an excuse, and one used by a lot of pirates. You're even saying the same thing further in your post.
Two words: reading lessons
It's all thanks to people like you that localization companies like Peach Princess are having a tough time. I'm sure you're proud of yourself.
Don't you mean people like us?
DarkCntry
2004-11-29, 17:18
Two words: reading lessons
Don't you mean people like us?
Trying to find validation in yourself by tossing the weight of the blame around is no validation, but just an excuse.
I admitted that I downloaded, but I also stated that I have also purchased all of the programs that I downloaded...I'm sure PeaPri is quite happy with the well over $400 that I've sent to them for the products I've purchased, same with G-C. Of course, I also stated that the games I didn't like, I turned around and sold them at various other places...so it's not like I'm at a loss.
Trying to find validation in yourself by tossing the weight of the blame around is no validation, but just an excuse.
That wasn't the case and your response was nothing more than a cliche attempt to single me out. I only wanted and pointed out noone else in this thread is 'better' than me when it comes to downloading. I think this offtopic discussion reached its end.
(DarkCntry, if you're so moral about copyright infringement, please, take off your avatar and signature picture)
DarkCntry
2004-11-29, 17:44
What you see is a doujin image for my avatar, which according to the Fair Use law, is completely legal...thank you, please drive through. Please make sure you understand what copyright infringement is before you go tossing it around.
What I said was the truth, and I don't believe there was anyone saying that they were better...only that validating your stealing is just making an excuse. It's pretty clear cut to everyone but you.
bishounen_blue
2004-11-29, 23:31
If YOU really want to buy games, there's always a way you could buy those. I could too, probably.
And people wonder why Peach Princess and G-Collections are shy about translating Kimi ga Nozomu Eien. :(
@ kj1980 - I sent you a private message. Did you read it?
What I don't understand is why are you continuing this ridiculous confrontation: none of you will ever agree with the other anyway, so you're just making argument for no real reason :)
Anyway, to go back on topic (well kinda, but more than this discussion anyway), I just got my hands on くれいどるそんぐ :)
Quite a cute game IMO :)
Bullsquat
2004-11-30, 03:14
I just bought Hourglass of Summer for $30. Well, this isn't exactly an ero-game but the story is really awesome. Actually bishoujo games can really work even if they leave all the hentai stuff out the window. This game is full proof of this. Too bad I've seen the first episode of the OVA, so it kind of spoiled the story a little bit.
This next game I'm thinking of buying is an ero-game. It's called Hitomi - Stepsister. Has anyone ever played this? I know the title sounds really perverted but you can't judge a book by its cover as I found out with Private Nurse.
Zero Murasame
2004-12-01, 00:47
I'm actually anti-Hentai, I just dropped by because this topic grabbed my attention. And I never really knew this much people bought hentai games. :twitch:
Kamui4356
2004-12-01, 01:25
I'm actually anti-Hentai, I just dropped by because this topic grabbed my attention. And I never really knew this much people bought hentai games. :twitch:
As I told someone else in this thread, try playing either kana: imoto or crescendo. You may find that you change your mind about these games. :) Personally I wouldn't touch a hentai anime, but many of the games actually have good plots. Now this isn't to say all ero-games have plots. There are also a lot of them that the plot is basicly an excuse for having sex. There are also quite a few that fall somewhere in between. I never thought I'd buy any of these games either, but then I played kana...
BTW, may I ask where you got your av? I've been looking for SO3 icons with little luck.
DingoEnderZOE2
2004-12-01, 01:56
Alot of us here were Anti-Hentai including me. But we changed our ways when we found out that there are "Hentai" games that are more then just sex. Theres also PLOT involved in them like Kamui said. Everyone has their own title that changed their views(Mine was Doukyuusei 2) but I think Kana-little sister and Crescendo are the games that converted alot of people. Oh and HENTAI ANIME SUCKS!!
Just like it took over twenty years for the notion of "anime are not only kids stuff" outside of Japan, it'll take another five to ten years for the notion of "many ero-games have high-quality story" to develop.
Perhaps you (non-generic usage of 'you') should give at least "Kana~Imouto~" a try. I assume you were one of those people who looked down upon anime before you got into it anyway. If you already changed your view on anime, then give some ero-games a try.
[side note aside]
"Kana~Imouto~" is a heart-warming story that provokes you to become a bone marrow donor, but I prefer "Kazoku Keikaku~Kizuna Bako~" from the same softhouse if you are looking for a very touching story on what makes a family bond special.
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