[PC/PSP] Seinarukana: The Spirit of Eternity Sword 2

[PhoenixG]

So i started the game and had a few questions.

1) The steam release is the all-ages version right? Was the h-scenes just out rightly cut or some story elements were added to make up for those so it doesn't look weird? i think they added extra routes and scene from PS2 version but i need some confirmation.

2) Is there any kind of free movement (i.e. grinding and doing events whenever i want) similar to games like Kamidori or just follow the script (as that's what i have been doing till now)?

3) Is there any tips for the First Campaign Battle? The last team wrecks me with Firestorm spell. Satsuki's Ice Banish doesn't seem to stop the spells......maybe she needs to be higher than Level 4?

4) Is there any full or partial guides that i can use?

Thanks in advance.

1) only played the original and SE version. There should be extra scenes, but no extra routes.

2) No, there isn't any free movement to grind stuff, but this game isn't about grinding. It's more about strategy and using the right skill. Like the first boss using lvl 5-7 character to beat his lvl 15. Heck imo the first boss is the second hardest boss.

3) already answered by others. But you should always check what the skill does/ equip etc.

[Brandark]

I did find an English version of a translation of a walkthrough a long time ago. I can send it by PM. It is way too big to post here.

From memory, doesn't Katima utterly wreck those clay giants once you do her route? Between Final Velocity and her ultimate attack which does % damage, Katima was the backbone of me getting through the game all those years ago.
Can you send it to me too?

Thanks in advance.

[Rasty]

You should get energy leak I to Satsuki which is uh, I think the first relic you've obtained in the campaign.

Not sure about this, but most likely you will get it only if you take the southern city. If you go by the northern route you will get a different one (well if you take both as I did there is no problem).

Am I strange if I feel like punching the MC into his face? I can get him being indecisive, but the seigi baka is a bit...
Also, "Justice is on our side!" is a good call to soldiers before a battle but you really shouldn't decide whether you help them or not. There are as many justices as many there are sides in a conflict and if somebody uses this as a main point for you to fight on that person's side you should run away fast, they will lose in 3 (2, 1)

[PhoenixG]

nah, you get energy leak before the end for the first mission. The first 3 relic you get is the same.

[Alexwuabu]

Hey guys.. How do i access all them different routes? Im already at chapter 7? and ive yet to speak more to any of the girls than the little small talk at the festival which btw was like 3-4 chapters ago? keke Have i done something wrong? :c

[Von Himmel]

nah, you get energy leak before the end for the first mission. The first 3 relic you get is the same.

No I'm pretty sure it's the first one since I remember that's the first skill I've ever teach to my character.

Anyway you can't really miss it lol

I can get him being indecisive
He's not indecisive, it's just he's really...uh, slow especially in romance department.

Hey guys.. How do i access all them different routes? Im already at chapter 7? and ive yet to speak more to any of the girls than the little small talk at the festival which btw was like 3-4 chapters ago? keke Have i done something wrong? :c
Pick all their character choice, get Nozomu in party with the girl you like and kill those heart enemies?

[TwilightsCall]

Hey guys.. How do i access all them different routes? Im already at chapter 7? and ive yet to speak more to any of the girls than the little small talk at the festival which btw was like 3-4 chapters ago? keke Have i done something wrong? :c

The routes aren't really all that different from each other in my experience. I've only cleared 2 and a half so far, but generally not much changes - there's a scene at the Festival, and then one mission later on is dependent on who's route you are in (each heroine has a different route), and then the last mission will change a bit depending on who's route you're in as well.

I imagine Narukana route is a bit more divergent than the others, but as I've never played it, I have no idea if that's actually the case.

[PhoenixG]

Hey guys.. How do i access all them different routes? Im already at chapter 7? and ive yet to speak more to any of the girls than the little small talk at the festival which btw was like 3-4 chapters ago? keke Have i done something wrong? :c

I thing is sure, you can't save load to get different routes, you really need to play through the whole game for each route. Like Von Himmel said choices and heart battles matter, but the most important is have Nozomu paired with the girl in the same team. Since each victorious battle adds one point to their route. So even you messed up the choices and ignore the heart battles, you still can get that girl's route since you paired her with Nozomu from the start of the game

No I'm pretty sure it's the first one since I remember that's the first skill I've ever teach to my character.



It's the same one, since you can chose to give it to different person and they get the same skill no matter which order you give. It the same with all other relics. Each relic gives a fixed skill to a character.

[bones]

Was wondering why Tokimi never tries to talk to Euphoria and found out Tokimi is still angry over something Euphoria said to her. That oba-san must have really stung lol :heh:

[amc9988]

I am kinda confuse with this series, I played Aselia the eternal, and currently playing seinarukana. But where did everyone get extra information regarding the other eternal, what they are doing, euphie's story? Is there some kind of short story somewhere in a different form of media?

Also, I saw Helion the dark spirit as an eternal (I think) in a youtube video about some OST, since when and how did she become an eternal? Is it in a game?

[Dragon_Slayer_X]

Thanks for the answers. I was confused at the start but now i got a hang of it. It's actually great that the battles need strategies and the right skills instead of brute force method. I managed to finish till the Evolia battle in Chapter 4. Ice Arrow and Banish 2 is quite a deadly combo against the recurring boss.

Anyway can someone please tell me how many routes are there? Thanks in advance.

[bones]

Is the rank of an eternity sword absolute? I mean can a rank two sword become stronger than a rank one sword. The way Narukana goes on about being a rank one it sure feels like that.

[korinojo]

Is the rank of an eternity sword absolute? I mean can a rank two sword become stronger than a rank one sword. The way Narukana goes on about being a rank one it sure feels like that.

As far as I can remember, It is absolute and the ranking is as follow
0>1>2>3>4>5>6>7>8>9

With anyone who owns a Eternity Sword with rank larger than 3 is an Eternal.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Is the rank of an eternity sword absolute? I mean can a rank two sword become stronger than a rank one sword. The way Narukana goes on about being a rank one it sure feels like that.

Yes it is absolute....


Rank is a factor of how close they are generation wise from the original Cosmic Balancer Swords

[PhoenixG]

While the rank is absolute, there is also the factor of the sync between the wielder and the sword. The famous example is Aselia. Her Eien is only rank 3, but their sync rate is so good that they fight on par with someone with rank 2.

Thanks for the answers. I was confused at the start but now i got a hang of it. It's actually great that the battles need strategies and the right skills instead of brute force method. I managed to finish till the Evolia battle in Chapter 4. Ice Arrow and Banish 2 is quite a deadly combo against the recurring boss.

Anyway can someone please tell me how many routes are there? Thanks in advance.

6 routes

[Cosmic Eagle]

That's still not actual rank though.

The rank is not based on combat ability but simple generation gap from the source.


And while synch efficiency is a large factor of Eternal or any Shinken user's combat ability, using Aselia as an example is well.....overkill

[prpa]

I did find an English version of a translation of a walkthrough a long time ago. I can send it by PM. It is way too big to post here.

From memory, doesn't Katima utterly wreck those clay giants once you do her route? Between Final Velocity and her ultimate attack which does % damage, Katima was the backbone of me getting through the game all those years ago.

Sorry, can you send it to me to.

[Angrypokstick]

I did find an English version of a translation of a walkthrough a long time ago. I can send it by PM. It is way too big to post here.

From memory, doesn't Katima utterly wreck those clay giants once you do her route? Between Final Velocity and her ultimate attack which does % damage, Katima was the backbone of me getting through the game all those years ago.

Yah, I m gonna need to take a look at that guide please. Thanks.:)

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

I guess I should say I'm disappointed with the translation in many places. I expected that, but it still bugs me a lot. Changing Dawn to Aurora and localizing Murakumo and Yuu-kun/Yuukyuu irks me like crazy. 理想幹 to Sephirot makes no sense and doesn't fit into the tree motif for me. Thalia and Sor's tsundere interactions are more crass and vulgar than they ought to be. A lot of dialogues are a bit too liberal, lacking the finer subtlety of eastern writing to reflect character personalities. I could go on. ^

I think a number of things need correcting if a wiki were to be made.

[TwilightsCall]

While I agree with basically...everything you said, I don't think it's fair to criticize the translation for the subtle character nuances not coming across in English. As a translator myself, its virtually impossible to get across all the nuances that Japanese is capable of expressing in English without making them wildly overexaggerated (and thus, wildly out of character).

That being said, Aurora seemed like a silly choice. Why would his sword be named after another god when...he himself...is a god...and some of the characters certainly seem more 'rude' than I think they were intended to be portrayed.

Also I can't help but sigh every time a script function pops up in the dialogue lol.

I haven't gotten far enough to meet Euphie/Narukana yet, so now I'm terrified of what those sword names could be localized to...

[korinojo]

Could anyone tell me how to reach Narukana route? Many thanks.
I'm near the end of Satsuki route now.

[Last Sinner]

Sent the English walkthrough to 5 people. If I missed anyone, contact me and I'll send it to you.

[Cosmic Eagle]

I guess I should say I'm disappointed with the translation in many places. I expected that, but it still bugs me a lot. Changing Dawn to Aurora and localizing Murakumo and Yuu-kun/Yuukyuu irks me like crazy. 理想幹 to Sephirot makes no sense and doesn't fit into the tree motif for me. Thalia and Sor's tsundere interactions are more crass and vulgar than they ought to be. A lot of dialogues are a bit too liberal, lacking the finer subtlety of eastern writing to reflect character personalities. I could go on. ^

I think a number of things need correcting if a wiki were to be made.

Reimei is now Aurora?

Does this include Nozomu's little loli too?

[PhoenixG]

ok, why the fuck do they even changes names.

[Von Himmel]

The spirit name is still Reimei but they changed the blade name to Aurora :heh: I'm still not used to them calling Narukana sword Heavenly cloud or something and other blade names for that matter.
edit+
Could anyone tell me how to reach Narukana route? Many thanks.
2nd or more playthrough and pick take her hand choice when it appears.

[Phantomlurker]

Sent the English walkthrough to 5 people. If I missed anyone, contact me and I'll send it to you.

I'll ask for one too. Trying hard to have no units killed and still getting only rank B and occasionally A is becoming frustrating. And I don't think the second playthrough will be much better regarding that.

[TwilightsCall]

Talking about the translation though makes me wonder about what they are going to do in the Aselia remake. They've listed Japanese, English, and Chinese on their website, so I wonder if they plan on doing an English translation right out the gate...and if so, who's going to do it?

I suspect they don't, and it'll just be Japanese at the start, but that begs the question as to why they put a language-switch on the website...

[Belgaesh]

I did find an English version of a translation of a walkthrough a long time ago. I can send it by PM. It is way too big to post here.

Could you send it for me?

Thanks!

[Cosmic Eagle]

Talking about the translation though makes me wonder about what they are going to do in the Aselia remake. They've listed Japanese, English, and Chinese on their website, so I wonder if they plan on doing an English translation right out the gate...and if so, who's going to do it?

I suspect they don't, and it'll just be Japanese at the start, but that begs the question as to why they put a language-switch on the website...

Maybe because Takase knows he has plenty of overseas fans....


I mean, he's really active in conventions outside of Japan lately.



At any rate, that remake better have new stuff...

[korinojo]

I made a pastebin from Last Sinner's messages.
http://pastebin.com/dqfVCjYC

Finally finished my 1st playthrough and Yaga is such a b*tch :heh:, at least 10 attempts to kill her and I learnt that using Zetsu as a defender in her battle is not a really good idea.

Overall nice gameplay, still many points irk me and many questions still remain, I will soon do my new game + and hope I will get my answers.

I also checked the extra and Satsuki has the most CGs, should I assume her route is the true end? :p

[Last Sinner]

The issues with a first time playthrough stem from the fact 2-1 and 2-3 are rather harsh missions to get SS rank on. Yet essential because getting Final Velocity on Katima after the very first mission is just absurd. Some of the missions around 4 and 5 can be testing. Once you get Narukana in Chapter 8, she really turns the tide in your favour. Whereas Shou.....oh dear....for someone being the only other White type character, you'd think he's have 'something' going for him. Nope.

I get my copy next weekend. Have to wait longer than some but not long now...Already busy all this weekend anyway so it's not much of an issue for me.

[Mahou]

ok, why the fuck do they even changes names.

Because there's no "rule" or guideline for translators stating that you cannot/shall not do it; at least I don't know about any, or not enough customers ripped them apart for doing it (or don't notice the changes without knowing the original source through forums or first-hand experience). And in some RPG localisation or early/-ier anime dubs (Satoshi to Ash, Yamato to Matt in Digimon, I think that pracise seems to be more common, at least or if only for some companies, than let's say in technical translation or stuff like translating a newspaper article.

[Dragon_Slayer_X]

6 routes

Thanks.

One more thing.........when do you get the indication of getting locked into a route? Chapter 7 or later?

[PhoenixG]

In chapter 9 after you rescued Satsuki the route will be locked. Chapter 8 has quite a lot of mobs with hearts, so I guess you can shift it on the last minute.

[Last Sinner]

Route specific stuff happens in 10, 11 and 12, depending on the choices you made. Doing their route mission unlocks some very powerful stuff.

If you're planning to move on to harder modes, it may sound tedious but it is worth doing all 6 routes, because when you get moves for all 3 positions on 6 characters, it makes a big difference.

Also remember that when you do Normal mode again, the core characters will retain all their levels and moves. So things will be a lot better the next time.

[Phantomlurker]

I was wondering, and before rereading the whole thread like before I made an account while looking for clues about when the game would be released (good times, not), what will be Euphoria's role in the big picture? From what I know the whole "remake the primordial Eternity Sword" thing of the law eternals seems to be more Temuorin's doing than their own rank 1 wish, and then there are the two other groups with a different mana system and I am pretty super Euphy will take a big role what with being the only natural born eternal.

[Cosmic Eagle]

More like as the holder of one of the three pillars of existence rather than a natural born Eternal lol

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

While I agree with basically...everything you said, I don't think it's fair to criticize the translation for the subtle character nuances not coming across in English. As a translator myself, its virtually impossible to get across all the nuances that Japanese is capable of expressing in English without making them wildly overexaggerated (and thus, wildly out of character).
True, but I know several translators who would have done a better job. Eastern writing tend to be subtle, descriptive, and use implications in a roundabout or rhetorical fashion, especially when for comedy, in particular rivalry between girls. Most of the dialogue in Seinarukana is liberal, direct, oversimplified, and quite far removed from the writer's diction, essentially Americanized. For a sense of what I'm getting at, compare the dialogue in chapter 10 when Nozomu asked Narukana to talk about his life as Jiruol and at the lighthearted comedy exchanges between Nozomu, Satsuki, Nozomu, Narukana, Zetsu, and Nanashi when they were at Nozomu's house in the same chapter.

Reimei is now Aurora?

Does this include Nozomu's little loli too?
Yeah, and translator made up a reason to name her to Reime instead (>_>). Well, at least Nanashi is still Nanashi and Gyouten is still Daybreak for Zetsu.

Another thing that irks me is Yaga's Yurushi being translated to Absolution and Joukai to Apostasy. The added Catholicism/Christianity feels wrong.

[Mahou]

True, but I know several translators who would have done a better job. Eastern writing tend to be subtle, descriptive, and use implications in a roundabout or rhetorical fashion, especially when for comedy, in particular rivalry between girls. Most of the dialogue in Seinarukana is liberal, direct, oversimplified, and quite far removed from the writer's diction, essentially Americanized. For a sense of what I'm getting at, compare the dialogue in chapter 10 when Nozomu asked Narukana to talk about his life as Jiruol and at the lighthearted comedy exchanges between Nozomu, Satsuki, Nozomu, Narukana, Zetsu, and Nanashi when they were at Nozomu's house in the same chapter.


Yeah, and translator made up a reason to name her to Reime instead (>_>). Well, at least Nanashi is still Nanashi and Gyouten is still Daybreak for Zetsu.

Another thing that irks me is Yaga's Yurushi being translated to Absolution and Joukai to Apostasy. The added Catholicism/Christianity feels wrong.

It feels like your issue is more within the realm of translation vs. localization - esentially two different approachs. With the latter being the case for this VN based on the comments here. Not saying that I disagree with you, but most of the time the issue at hand isn't as black and white as one might think/believe.

It's too bad that Jast hasn't some kind of translation blog where they comment on some decisions or design pilosophies, like a scanalation team for Bleach has done a few times.

[devilo96]

1.guys any tips for the final battle with yaga and what lv u guys recomended for the final battle?
2.and please tell me what happend to satsuki in her route cuz i really hate if she really disappear
if she really disappear i will try another route (almost at the end of satsuki route got scare if the ending is so bad)

sorry bad english

[Von Himmel]

I did her at level 30 Nozomu, Nozomi and Euphie :heh: it's more of luck rather than actually winning against her though...until now I'm not sure how the hell did I beat her. I think there's not much RNG in this game so if you try this team you might be able to beat her.

Satsuki will be daijobu :heh: I'm still surprised that the ending leaves in good end note compared to Aselia with a bit of bittersweet because everyone forgets about Yuuto and the girl he chose at the end. Lesteena was especially sad though :(

[devilo96]

I did her at level 30 Nozomu, Nozomi and Euphie :heh: it's more of luck rather than actually winning against her though...until now I'm not sure how the hell did I beat her. I think there's not much RNG in this game so if you try this team you might be able to beat her.

Satsuki will be daijobu :heh: I'm still surprised that the ending leaves in good end note compared to Aselia with a bit of bittersweet because everyone forgets about Yuuto and the girl he chose at the end. Lesteena was especially sad though :(

wew... i almost scare when i open the spoiler.....
now waiting for someone give me the full walkthrough

[PhoenixG]

Just All round Nozomu and switch around with immortal will and name breaker depends which support skill Yaga use. And as always, lvl doesn't really matter that much. If I must say around 25+

[Von Himmel]

Just All round Nozomu and switch around with immortal will and name breaker depends which support skill Yaga use. And as always, lvl doesn't really matter that much. If I must say around 25+

Yeah I did that without knowing we can change skill with AR unit :heh: shit was frustrating because my AR Nozomu skill uses can't keep up with the long fight. One wiki I read said to use AR nozomu and:
1 turn: Immortal Will/that sphere def skill/Inspire 1
2 turn: Immortal Will/same/Aura Photon Rage
3 turn: wait for mana
4 turn: Name breaker/same/Aura photon rage
5th+: immortal will/same/celestial will

Not sure how it goes because I didn't try that before.

[PhoenixG]

I kinda disagree with that. But can work.

First the support skill just stick on Celestial Will for heal and mana support for attack and def skill.
Second look what Yaga support skill is. If it targets the attacker, use Immortal Will. if it targets the defender, use Name breaker. The main reason to do this number of time you can use the skills. If you just can use only Immoral will, but you'll just run out before you can kill her and you really need the anti interrupt skill for preventing triggering Yaga's support skills.

While in this battle it isn't applicable. It might be good to know the combination of Immortal Will and Name breaker. Since Immortal Will reduce battle mana with 1 and Name breaker reduce battle mana charge with 1. It's possible to kill someone with a defense skill that cost 2+ mana with triggering the defense skill due out of mana. It's really good in hard/super hard mode.

But imo the real queen in super hard mode is still Euphie. Loves the dust to dust -> mana link -> doom judgement.

[devilo96]

satsuki route done
with nozomu,nozomi and euphie as the party pfft i cant defeat yaga with allround nozomu

and about the ending.....well kinda sad (come on i think they can make the ending better )but at least satsuki still alive :v
btw guys what happend to satsuki if i chose another route ?cuz kinda sad if satsuki gone in other route

[Last Sinner]

satsuki route done
with nozomu,nozomi and euphie as the party pfft i cant defeat yaga with allround nozomu

and about the ending.....well kinda sad (come on i think they can make the ending better )but at least satsuki still alive :v
btw guys what happend to satsuki if i chose another route ?cuz kinda sad if satsuki gone in other route

Each route has its unique ending. Satsuki doesn't disappear when you do additional routes.

There's some stuff for certain characters that you only see in the extras menu after you do certain picks during the school festival, so make sure you do them all.

[devilo96]

Each route has its unique ending. Satsuki doesn't disappear when you do additional routes.

There's some stuff for certain characters that you only see in the extras menu after you do certain picks during the school festival, so make sure you do them all.

kinda rude if i asking this....but can someone give me the save data for 100% CG ?
cuz i cant use the jp save data....
and i already saw all the CG from (some site)
1.so my question did nozomu really fuck thalia and got blowjob from jatzieta ?or some one else....and how to get that scene
damn i really need a walktrough

[Last Sinner]

Those could be spoilers for some people...tag that, man.

I don't think someone would have done all 6 routes already....ask again in a month, maybe?

As for your other questions:

1. No, it was a dream both simultaneously had. When the events preceding that 'scene' happened in reality, Thalia understandably flipped out and legged it. Obtained by seeing the part of the festival where Thalia is knitting.

2. Jatzieta gave Nozomu a prize for seeing her 100 times and gave him paizuri. Satsuki and Nozomi both found out and went full yandere on poor Nozomu. Obtained by seeing Jatzieta in the infirmary in the 3rd/final choice of the festival.

[Von Himmel]

Finally beat Narukana route..I really didn't expect that I need to beat final boss with Nozomu solo in this route :heh: Big thanks for phoenix since his tactic works well in this case :heh:

[bones]

I'm still trying to understand how Nozomu became an Eternal in Satsuki's route merely by absorbing null mana. The only thing that makes sense is that the null mana upgraded their low level eternity swords to at least level three.

[Phantomlurker]

Finally got to Et Ca Repha... and after two hours of trial and error I just can't beat her. Does someone have any tips?

[PhoenixG]

All round Narukana. Can't miss that.

[Phantomlurker]

All round Narukana. Can't miss that.

Errr no. I can barely get her to survive, or die if she tries to put some more pressure.
Only Nozomu managed to hurt her and survive as AR and even then all the work he did goes to the trash as neither he nor any other team can survive the rest of the fight. It is a royal pain in the ass

[Von Himmel]

I remember my Narukana getting rekt in normal too lol. Then again I'm not sure which move I set to it during my normal run. Flabellum and her hp regen should've do the trick until she starts spamming her heal I think...? But then again I remember her getting killed in 1-2 hits.

If you do her route in hard next though, you need to beat that guy solo using her only so be sure to level her up.

[PhoenixG]

Errr no. I can barely get her to survive, or die if she tries to put some more pressure.
Only Nozomu managed to hurt her and survive as AR and even then all the work he did goes to the trash as neither he nor any other team can survive the rest of the fight. It is a royal pain in the ass

Really? In most battle Narukana is the I-win button. But besides that. Only use Flabellum 2 as attack skill (since it has penetrate ability, it will go through the protect skill). Use Aura photon barrier 2 as defensive skill (well it's the best one she currently have at tha point) and support skill dissipate 1 (the counter her support skills, like her heal spell). And the easy part is, you don't even need to change skill in the battle.

Also don't get scared when you suddenly lose a lot of HP (same goes with the battle with Yaga and normal battle in higher difficulties). It's a trademark of offensive abilities with % damage. While it does lot of damage when have high HP, but almost no damage when you have low HP.

[Von Himmel]

Really? In most battle Narukana is the I-win button. But besides that. Only use Flabellum 2 as attack skill (since it has penetrate ability, it will go through the protect skill). Use Aura photon barrier 2 as defensive skill (well it's the best one she currently have at tha point) and support skill dissipate 1 (the counter her support skills, like her heal spell). And the even most easy part is, you don't even need to change skill in the battle.

Just tried this one on hard mode using the same skill set, confirmed to still work. Now I'm not sure how the hell I did get her killed in one run :heh:

[PhoenixG]

It even works on super-hard. But using the higher level version of it. Well you can always swap out Flabellum to Excalibur or Leavatein when she's NOT using the defensive skill with protect skill.

[Golden Lily]

Can someone send me walkthrough too?

[Phantomlurker]

Really? In most battle Narukana is the I-win button. But besides that. Only use Flabellum 2 as attack skill (since it has penetrate ability, it will go through the protect skill). Use Aura photon barrier 2 as defensive skill (well it's the best one she currently have at tha point) and support skill dissipate 1 (the counter her support skills, like her heal spell). And the easy part is, you don't even need to change skill in the battle.

Also don't get scared when you suddenly lose a lot of HP (same goes with the battle with Yaga and normal battle in higher difficulties). It's a trademark of offensive abilities with % damage. While it does lot of damage when have high HP, but almost no damage when you have low HP.

I am very used to shun leaving me at 10% life actually. Managed to kill her leveling Nozomu and Euphy to 30 and team them up with Narukana. That all rounder strategy was the second I used but she always hits me the other skill instead of using the healing one.

[PhoenixG]

What other skill? If you mean the attack skill with that whooping 17 mana cost, I've no idea how you can drag that battle so long. If you mean the blue vanishing skill, that is because you keep using skills other than Narukana's own vanishing skill. Even if she use that vanishing skill, you also just use it, since those two skill just have a stare match without doing anything.

I'm still trying to understand how Nozomu became an Eternal in Satsuki's route merely by absorbing null mana. The only thing that makes sense is that the null mana upgraded their low level eternity swords to at least level three.

It's kinda hinted in Narukana's route

[Dragon_Slayer_X]

Well i finally finished Satsuki ending. Thanks for the help/hints/info people especially to PhoenixG and Last Sinner.

The NG+ is like a curbstomp for now especially with the Levels and Abilities. Btw is there any benefits to playing Hard or Super Hard Mode other than the challenge?

Also the music during the boss battle with Yaga was pretty good. Now onto another route........

[korinojo]

Finally finished Narukana, for now I think Narukana route is better than Satsuki, Narukana abusing is the best.

I skimped through the thread, It seems that Satsuki is the canon ending. However, with 3 of them stick together for eternity, can I expect a threesome somewhere down the line? :heh:

Anyways, for now, I have some questions:
1. As I can understand, Null Mana does not really harm Satsuki in anyways as she is its vessel right?
2. With entire series will be remade, which information in the current Seinarukana will be canon?
3a. Each branch of the time tree is a "world", that "world" is a planet or an entire universe like our universe itself?
3b. Then we know that there is a "universe" outside the observed Time Tree in Seinarukana, can I expect that this Time Tree is in another bigger Time Tree? Then what would be at the top layer?
4. Can we actually access the future of any individuals in any of these Trees? From what I have seen, time seems to be only moving forward with all past data recorded in Log, nothing mentioned for future. (Or may be I miss something)
5. Why Jirol was chosen as the seed for Narukana's prison? From the two most important routes, I don't think It was mentioned anywhere.

Thanks you beforehand.

[bones]

What other skill? If you mean the attack skill with that whooping 17 mana cost, I've no idea how you can drag that battle so long. If you mean the blue vanishing skill, that is because you keep using skills other than Narukana's own vanishing skill. Even if she use that vanishing skill, you also just use it, since those two skill just have a stare match without doing anything.



It's kinda hinted in Narukana's route

I did Narukana before Satsuki, and I'm coming up blank can you explain further?

[PhoenixG]

In Narukana's route right before fighting Yaga, Narukana herself said that she/the sword was divided into 3 pieces; Vassel, Power and concious. Narukana is the concious part, while Satsuki has the vassal and Nozomu/Rehme has the power part. Because of that both can easily make a pact with the sword. Also in Satsuki route, Murakumo isn't fully powered unlike in her own route.


Well i finally finished Satsuki ending. Thanks for the help/hints/info people especially to PhoenixG and Last Sinner.

The NG+ is like a curbstomp for now especially with the Levels and Abilities. Btw is there any benefits to playing Hard or Super Hard Mode other than the challenge?

Also the music during the boss battle with Yaga was pretty good. Now onto another route........

besides challenge, all skill hording, some background info that is written in the skill discription and power balance between characters changing. Not much. (Like Nozomu getting more useless the game gets, until getting his eternal skill set on super-hard. % damage skills getting OP and why Euphie is getting stronger than Narukana in higher dificulties).

The music is a remix of Eien no Aselia's opening. The prequel of this game

[bones]

In Narukana's route right before fighting Yaga, Narukana herself said that she/the sword was divided into 3 pieces; Vassel, Power and concious. Narukana is the concious part, while Satsuki has the vassal and Nozomu/Rehme has the power part. Because of that both can easily make a pact with the sword. Also in Satsuki route, Murakumo isn't fully powered unlike in her own route.

That's doesn't make sense as Narukana when sealed had her null mana taken from her and placed in the root of the time tree, Murakumo then was separated into four parts not three. Her power was split into Reime/Nanashi, her consciousness became Narukana and the vessel for the null mana was Satsuki. How can Nozomu and Satsuki make the pact with what is essentially a clump of mana. For that matter who are they talking to? Please don't tell me it's Murakumo as she doesn't even exist having been split into three or four parts.

[Cosmic Eagle]

@korinojo

Almost everything is going to be remade. Characters will remain the same but history and various setting features like how Null functions is completely remade.

Seinarukana events should still remain canon though.


Each branch is a universe yes.

Seinarukana's Time Tree is Et Ca Repha herself. She's basically created by Seii and Rogus to act as Narukana's prison. Aselia's world of Phantasmagoria for example, is in another Time Tree entirely. The top would be the unified multiverse formed of all three Cosmic Balancers combined.

Yes, you can hack the Log Domain...if you are Tokimi. She does this to basically retroactively erase opponents from existence but doing so is dangerous since it introduces instability into the Log Domain. As for whether the future is set in stone somewhere....Well...let's put it this way, hacking the Log Domain enables one to screw with causality and only Tokisaka has been shown to do it so far and Tokisaka transcends past and future so.... Yeah

[bones]

@korinojo

Almost everything is going to be remade. Characters will remain the same but history and various setting features like how Null functions is completely remade.

Seinarukana events should still remain canon though.


Each branch is a universe yes.

Seinarukana's Time Tree is Et Ca Repha herself. She's basically created by Seii and Rogus to act as Narukana's prison. Aselia's world of Phantasmagoria for example, is in another Time Tree entirely. The top would be the unified multiverse formed of all three Cosmic Balancers combined.

Yes, you can hack the Log Domain...if you are Tokimi. She does this to basically retroactively erase opponents from existence but doing so is dangerous since it introduces instability into the Log Domain. As for whether the future is set in stone somewhere....Well...let's put it this way, hacking the Log Domain enables one to screw with causality and only Tokisaka has been shown to do it so far and Tokisaka transcends past and future so.... Yeah

But aren't Yuuto, Kaori and his friends from what Nozomu and company call the Copy World.

[Cosmic Eagle]

But aren't Yuuto, Kaori and his friends from what Nozomu and company call the Copy World.


They are from the Time Tree Phantasmagoria is in. Nozomu's Time Tree (Et Ca Repha) is a creation of Chaos Eternals and Seii.




And yes.....Nozomu and co are all from Et Ca Repha's world. IE not the same Time Tree as the Aselia cast

[Von Himmel]

Huh and here I thought that Copy World is basically just a similar world to Yuuto's that's inside Et Ca Repha Time Tree. Since uh, Narukana is in there when she's supposedly sealed inside et ca repha time tree.

[bones]

I thought that Yuuto's world or Copy world was one of the worlds that was closest to Nozomu's world as it was practically the same as Nozomu's world with minor differences and since Narukana was there.

[Cosmic Eagle]

I thought that Yuuto's world or Copy world was one of the worlds that was closest to Nozomu's world as it was practically the same as Nozomu's world with minor differences and since Narukana was there.

No? Yuuto is not from Et Ca Repha. What gives you the impression he's from there?

[korinojo]

Somehow this is getting confusing :heh:
I thought Copy World's coordinate was still in Et Ca Repha though.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Somehow this is getting confusing :heh:
I thought Copy World's coordinate was still in Et Ca Repha though.

If Copy World means Narukana's prison space then of course it's inside Et.


At any rate, the point is that Yuuto's home world is some planet in Phantasmagoria Tree. Him and the Aselia cast as well as the Chaos and Law Eternals are all from outside Et.



That's doesn't make sense as Narukana when sealed had her null mana taken from her and placed in the root of the time tree, Murakumo then was separated into four parts not three. Her power was split into Reime/Nanashi, her consciousness became Narukana and the vessel for the null mana was Satsuki. How can Nozomu and Satsuki make the pact with what is essentially a clump of mana. For that matter who are they talking to? Please don't tell me it's Murakumo as she doesn't even exist having been split into three or four parts.


Nozomu became a Null High Eternal only after fully absorbing complete Nullified Mana and making a contract with the complete Murakumo. And that is the reason why he's an incomplete Null Eternal in Satsuki route. Because Murakumo then was not complete.

[bones]

No? Yuuto is not from Et Ca Repha. What gives you the impression he's from there?

Err Kaori and Kotori are at Copy World so is Narukana so Copy World which is in Et Ca Repha is also where Yuuto's from.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Err Kaori and Kotori are at Copy World so is Narukana so Copy World which is in Et Ca Repha is also where Yuuto's from.

No.....go play Eien no Aselia and Third Destination and you'll see why


Suffice to say, Et Ca Repha is effectively Rogus and Seii's little science project to imprison Narukana


The only people from Aselia that directly appear in Seinarukana in major roles are Tokimi and Euphoria (kind of)


Kaori is a foreigner in Et's world trying to set up the meeting between Nozomu and Tokimi, that's all. It's flawed logic to say that just because she's there means that's her world......

[bones]

No.....go play Eien no Aselia and Third Destination and you'll see why


Suffice to say, Et Ca Repha is effectively Rogus and Seii's little science project to imprison Narukana


The only people from Aselia that directly appear in Seinarukana in major roles are Tokimi and Euphoria (kind of)


Kaori is a foreigner in Et's world trying to set up the meeting between Nozomu and Tokimi, that's all. It's flawed logic to say that just because she's there means that's her world......

I didn't see any hint in the narrative that Kaori and Kotori are not natives of the Copy World. Can you elaborate on that?

[Dragon_Slayer_X]

besides challenge, all skill hording, some background info that is written in the skill discription and power balance between characters changing. Not much. (Like Nozomu getting more useless the game gets, until getting his eternal skill set on super-hard. % damage skills getting OP and why Euphie is getting stronger than Narukana in higher dificulties).

The music is a remix of Eien no Aselia's opening. The prequel of this game

Well looks enough of a reason to play Hard Mode. Since i will play the game 6 times for all the routes, playing in Normal mode all the time will be boring.

Btw is there any chance the steam version will get the Special Edition contents? I took a look at the CGs for the Special edition (which incidentally has the double of the Normal one) and there seems to lot of extra scenes (both H and Non-H).

[shmaster]

Cough cough, Cosmic, you got one thing gravely wrong.
Yuuto and Tokimi are both from Et's tree. It even is where the Kurahashi headquarter is.

Phantasmagoria is in a different tree yes, but Yuuto and friends are not.
Remember Takase even explained how the cross tree summoning works.

[Angrypokstick]

hmm i just got to ch8. Is there a reason why i cant build any artifacts? none of my teams has an artifact option available at the starting stronghold izumo gate.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Cough cough, Cosmic, you got one thing gravely wrong.
Yuuto and Tokimi are both from Et's tree. It even is where the Kurahashi headquarter is.

Phantasmagoria is in a different tree yes, but Yuuto and friends are not.
Remember Takase even explained how the cross tree summoning works.


They should have Orihalcon Name then. I don't recall that feature in Aselia before they ascended to Eternal status

[Phantomlurker]

Neither of them is a reincarnation, or at least prett sure that Yuuto isn't. Besides his etranger career happened outside the tree.

[shmaster]

They should have Orihalcon Name then. I don't recall that feature in Aselia before they ascended to Eternal status

Because they got summoned to Phantasmagoria where such system does not exist.
Go back and read Takase's tweets on this.

[devilo96]

so after this we must wait for the sequel.....
sequel title Shinyaku Eien no Aselia -The Spirit of Eternity Sword-
新約 永遠のアセリア -The Spirit of Eternity Sword-(New Testament Aselia the Eternal -The Spirit of Eternity Sword-)
all ages and TBA....sigh i hope we can see nozomu in the sequel....
source VNDB

[TwilightsCall]

That's not the sequel, that's a remake of the original game.

There is a sequel planned, but probably won't be for like 5~10 years at the earliest.

[Last Sinner]

I finally have my copy...a decade-long wait is finally over...

Won't be long now, Katima.

[devilo96]

That's not the sequel, that's a remake of the original game.

There is a sequel planned, but probably won't be for like 5~10 years at the earliest.

oh...just a remake....damn i hope Vndb fix the info because when i go seinarukana page

prequel
ein no aselia
sequel-
Shinyaku Eien no Aselia -The Spirit of Eternity Sword-
^this make me think we got the sequel....

and i hope in the sequel they show us where euphy live in outside world
5-10 years for the sequel and then waiting another 5-10 years for jastUsa ver
at least iam still alive for another 20years except i got acident tomorrow lol

[Last Sinner]

I forgot how good the music was....like, damn....

[devilo96]

katima route done
well the ending a little disappointing for me....(my prediction nozomu become the king but well the ending really a let down sigh~)
soon narukana route......

btw what is the meaning of canon ending ?

[blahto]

Anyone knows where the hell is Katima in Ch. 3? or is she just busy doing things with MiniMon

[Last Sinner]

Anyone knows where the hell is Katima in Ch. 3? or is she just busy doing things with MiniMon

In what sense? The focus tends to go a bit with whoever you picked for going with you to investigate the second world early on, then to the content specific to that world. Katima is certainly around and appears in most scenes, but Satsuki and Nozomi would tend to have more dialogue than most characters by default. And of course, for that chapter, Ruputna.

[Golden Lily]

I forgot that you have to level up characters manually. Now I can't beat Drav since my party is like on level 4-5. Great.

[Last Sinner]

I forgot that you have to level up characters manually. Now I can't beat Drav since my party is like on level 4-5. Great.

Yep...you're not even close. You really need to utilise the rare chances you get in Chapter 2 before 2-4. There's one chance to level Nozomu and Nozomi in 2-1 then one chance to level some people in 2-2. You get a couple of chances to level Nozomu, Nozomi and Satsuki in 2-3. In 2-4 you get....three chances to level a lot of people if you time it right. Then you should have people at level 7, some higher, when you take on Drav. He's a brutal stat check.

[Phantomlurker]

Any tips on hard mode Evolia in chapter 10? I have yet to find the right team to face her, so she is wrecking me.

[PhoenixG]

If you have problem with her "recovery" defensive skill, use Nozomi/Zeles' attack skills with penetrate. Because those abilities ignores the recovery part.

Also Nozomi is also one of the characters that gets better offensive wise in harder dificulties. Loves Shot breaker and Typhon Buster

[Last Sinner]

Wow, I forgot how harsh it was to get SS in 8-1 the first time around....

Definitely didn't forget how much Narukana changes things though. 8-1 is a real pain but so worth the gains.

[blahto]

So can anyone explain those percentage base damage?

[Last Sinner]

So can anyone explain those percentage base damage?

The more health the target has, the more it does. Eventually Katima, Zetsu and Sorluska can one hit KO previously formidable targets regularly on Super Hard Mode, from what I've been told. This is why after Euphoria and Narukana being the super characters by default, Katima was the next most valued/popular. The percentage attacks on harder difficulties, Final Velocity - she hits like a boss and races around maps like a boss.

[PhoenixG]

So can anyone explain those percentage base damage?

Example: Nozomu's Dual edge has 350 material damage power, while Sor has a skill with 12% material damage power. Like Last sinner said if the enemy has more hp it does more damage.

The way it calculated is like this; if a minion currently has 1000 HP, Sor's skill has 1000*12%=120 power. So it's weaker than Nozomu's skill. But if the minon currently has 10000 HP the skill has 1200 power. So it's stronger.

So skills with % base power is only useful when an enemy has lots of HP, like in end of hard and super-hard mode. The main flaw in these skills are low HP means low damage output AKA you can't kill someone with these skills in normal situations. The only way to ko some with these skill is fighting in an area with high elemental boost or/and own elemental buffs and he's at max HP. The only way to get a sure kill is to pick a skill with % power and a static value (like Euphie's doom judgement) or you first hit the % skill and follow up with support damage skill.

[blahto]

Thanks!!
so that's why Shou deal a f*ck ton of damage to Nozomi on the 1st turn xD

[Last Sinner]

Thanks!!
so that's why Shou deal a f*ck ton of damage to Nozomi on the 1st turn xD

What difficulty was this on? From my experience, Nozomu AR with Dual Edge (pre-name breaker acquired)/Name Breaker/Immortal Will + his acquirable defenses + Celestiary handles Shou with ease every time regardless of difficulty.

[Last Sinner]

Two questions to anyone that's well versed in playthroughs of this game:


1. Is anyone able to explain the intricate sequencing + shuffling of moves that was required to defeat Null Yaga?

2. How is it that the defense move Nozomu gains from his supermode allows damage through from Level 1 minions....


These two things really left me stumped.

[PhoenixG]

1. You need to pay attention to Yaga's support skill. If it targets the attacker, you need to use the attack skill Immortal will. If it targets the defender you need to use the defense skill Disappearance Sphere. The main reason is both skill has Anti interrupt, so it prevents from triggering it.
Well you can stick with those two skills, but most likely you'll deplete your attack skill before you can defeat her. On normal you can stick with the defense skill, but iirc on higher difficulty it will also run out.

2. Most likely the mana cost. Since it needs 3 mana and in an offensive battle you start with 2.

[utcom]

Hi guys i have two questions for the gurus of animesuki

1- If you build an artifact in a stronghold mission 1 the artifact last for the rest of the game/chapter or it only works in the current mission ?

2- In the guide provided by Last Sinner it say something about "normal mode" "hard Mode" and "Super Hard Mode" do you get something for doing it in hard mode or its a self induced handicap ? or the game have difficulty setting and i missed it ?

Thanks for your time

[Last Sinner]

1. An artifact's effect will last for all missions in that chapter.

For example, if you built a Sands of Time or Mana Converter in the 2-1 mission, it will take effect in the other three missions in chapter 2.

From memory, I don't think you can do that in 2-1 the very first time if you want SS rank.


2. Normal mode is the one you start with. Once you clear a route in full, you can go on to Hard Mode if you want. However, I strongly recommend doing multiple routes on Normal first. Route specific moves are very powerful and without them, certain characters are weak in comparison to what their route moves provide. Also, the amount of mana you need to level characters goes WAY up when you go on to higher difficulties. It's worth building a stockpile of mana so you can level characters relatively uninhibited in harder difficulties. Particularly when the harder modes force certain characters on you underlevelled.

[antonn]

1. An artifact's effect will last for all missions in that chapter.

For example, if you built a Sands of Time or Mana Converter in the 2-1 mission, it will take effect in the other three missions in chapter 2.

From memory, I don't think you can do that in 2-1 the very first time if you want SS rank.


2. Normal mode is the one you start with. Once you clear a route in full, you can go on to Hard Mode if you want. However, I strongly recommend doing multiple routes on Normal first. Route specific moves are very powerful and without them, certain characters are weak in comparison to what their route moves provide. Also, the amount of mana you need to level characters goes WAY up when you go on to higher difficulties. It's worth building a stockpile of mana so you can level characters relatively uninhibited in harder difficulties. Particularly when the harder modes force certain characters on you underlevelled.
1.) The final chapter is an exception. Need to rebuild Artifacts throughout the mission. Also in Chapter 8 you can't build Artifacts at the starting stronghold, but you can at the others.

2.) To add to the first part, increasing the difficulty raises the level cap. Normal 30, Hard 60, Eternal/Super Hard 99. As for the second part, the Route specific abilities for heroines are nice for some characters, but aren't necessary and pretty time consuming to go through every time.
If you're interested in increasing the difficulty, you're obviously free to do what you wish, but I would only suggest 2 playthroughs on Hard before going to Super. I had SS in every mission from Normal to Hard and only had enough mana to have 2 60s, a couple of 58s, and everyone else 55ish. Also unlike Aselia both Bound and Free Mana carry over to new games.

[PhoenixG]

Yup on 2-1 you don't have time to build artifact or level up if you gunning for SS rank. Also you shouldn't build anything on the last chapter until you at the bottom floor, since you'll walking through a floor faster than you gain anything from it, heck you'll only lose free mana and gain even more bound mana that you'll need to convert.

[GVN.Chaos]

Can anyone give me some tips to deal with the boss of chapter 3 (Berbalzerd). I use Ruputna, Nozomu and Nozomi. I could handle one or two dozen turns, but when he used his Penerate attack, he completly slaughter my defense.

[Last Sinner]

Can anyone give me some tips to deal with the boss of chapter 3 (Berbalzerd). I use Ruputna, Nozomu and Nozomi. I could handle one or two dozen turns, but when he used his Penerate attack, he completly slaughter my defense.


Ruputna, Nozomu and Thalia. The key points for that lineup:

- Rotate Thalia and Ruputna over and over between the Attack and support slots.
- Thalia should have her split M/F attack, same for Ruputna.
- Have Ice Banish in Support on Thalia and Icicle Arrow on Ruputna.
- Keep Nozomu in defense with Aura Photon Barrier (aka the 720/320 defence).


The point of that lineup is that Nozomu can endure enough hits while Thalia and Ruputna keep the boss permanently silenced so that no major F moves go through to hurt Nozomu and allow you to chip away gradually.

[TwilightsCall]

Alternatively:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfZ5qQiNvEQ

Not my video, but a zero-damage run of him.

Strategy is Jatzieta, Nozomi, Ruputna. (A/D/S) with Icicle Arrow on Ruputna and a Team Defense Skill on Jatzieta. Everything else is more or less w/e you want, but you want force damage with a little material on Jatzieta as well.

Leave yourself in that order until he drops Hydra. When Hydra is set, switch your order to Ruputna/Jatzieta/Nozomi (A/D/S). After you clear Hydra, switch back to the first order. Repeat until he's dead.

Easy fight once you understand the gimmick, really tough when you don't lol.

[PhoenixG]

if Nozomu has aura photon shield 2 it's even better to swap out Nozomi for Nozomu. More damage.

The main gimmick is if you attack in your current turn with high material damage, the next turn he'll swap to material defense skill and if you attack with high force damage, the next turn he'll use force defense skill.

It's nice to know this, since you'll need to fight 2 more times.

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

『永遠のアセリア』『聖なるかな』から繋がる永遠神剣・第三章。
　高嶺悠人とアセリアの娘であるユーフォリアの物語。

　舞台は異世界アガスティア、『宿命』のミューギィを巡る戦乱が吹き荒れる。

　『宿命』に導かれた者たちの戦いが幕を開ける。


http://i.imgur.com/szWiDJB.jpg

[Von Himmel]

『永遠のアセリア』『聖なるかな』から繋がる永遠神剣・第三章。
　高嶺悠人とアセリアの娘であるユーフォリアの物語。

　舞台は異世界アガスティア、『宿命』のミューギィを巡る戦乱が吹き荒れる。

　『宿命』に導かれた者たちの戦いが幕を開ける。


http://i.imgur.com/GQDliHr.jpg

Never despair? I thought it's hope :heh:

Man I thought he'll be remaking first game first but getting the third game first sounds a lot better... Oh wait, that picture is a promo for another drama cd right?

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

Euphoria the Everlasting is the IP for the sequel. The other Eternity Sword related concept works like Tamers War and Tale Forgotten are prequels/remakes. And then Destiny of The Eternals 1 and its supposed (based on numbering) collected works are like gaidens.

Never Despair is another drama CD.

[TwilightsCall]

Is it just me or is 6000 yen a little steep for a drama CD?

I don't typically buy them so I have no idea if that's a normal price or not, but it seems...awfully high

[Cosmic Eagle]

It's actually normal...consider music CDs from Comiket can sell for like 3K + yen. A complete drama CD like this one is expected to be more expensive

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

HYPE.

Z3z9yklrZTc

[Cosmic Eagle]

Get that game running already Takase....

[PhoenixG]

Well listen to Nobana song gives me touhou vibes

[devilo96]

HYPE.

Z3z9yklrZTc

Damn the song is really good....btw the album already out right?

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

Release date for both CD and book is 8/14/2016.

[Cosmic Eagle]

https://www.melonbooks.co.jp/detail/detail.php?product_id=170338


Purchase link in case anyone wants to get


https://www.melonbooks.co.jp/detail/detail.php?product_id=170337

^^ Prototype book link

[devilo96]

wew next month...kinda sad right now i dont have any money...cuz i already use it for college fees
well i just hope someone upload the album when the album come out

[TwilightsCall]

Are the Prototype books basically the next line of the Phantasmagoria Spirits Guide?

I haven't picked up the first Prototype book yet, but looking at the pages for them on Melonbooks doesn't really give me a good idea of what the actual content of the books are. It seems to me like its basically Spirits Guide except starting the Tears of Fate story....or however we're translating it.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Are the Prototype books basically the next line of the Phantasmagoria Spirits Guide?

I haven't picked up the first Prototype book yet, but looking at the pages for them on Melonbooks doesn't really give me a good idea of what the actual content of the books are. It seems to me like its basically Spirits Guide except starting the Tears of Fate story....or however we're translating it.

Looks like it...although Melonbooks doesn't show page count sadly...

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

Tears of (fate) Karma.

To my understanding, Never Despair is the second of the PROTOTYPE series. If ToK is the introduction then ND is the first chapter of the staring story of the third sequel. Different from Spirit Guide, ND supposedly have world setting info as well instead of just character profile and backstories.

After the PROTOTYPE book series is done, I suspect production of the actual game will start. I'm hoping it won't be too long from now.

[Cosmic Eagle]

The last Spirits Guide (the super thick one from last year) had plenty of setting and history related stuff

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

All Spirit Guides have Q&A/encyclopedia sections that covers that, so touche. But the latest non-prototype book was LE Phantasmagoria and that isn't a Spirit Guide per se. That's more of a material book that summarized events of Aselia 1-2 and serves as a prelude by introducing stories and characters to set up Aselia 3. Of course, it could be viewed as a Spirit Guide to an extensive degree and more.

In any case, Never Despair is advertised to have immensed setting info, so we'll see.

[all_flying]

*knock* *knock*

Anyone still playing this game? Need some advice for Chapter 5 mission. I did read some guide but it was too short and too general for a very long mission. How about some ideas of what kind of skill I'll need? Do I need higher banish/block/attack skills? Certain point/skill which I shouldn't miss? And if I should be careful at certain point? What about those guardians? Do I kill it right away or do it later? Ect etc

Been playing for more than 50 hours and just reached this point. And crappy ranking system didn't help.

[PhoenixG]

I hope you have Photon aura shield 2 for Nozomu, or else Euphie will do some real heavy lifting. Can't remember if you can have Dual Edge 2 at this point, but cross divider 1 should be enough.

For normal battles any team you use before should do, but the main problem in this chapter are those guardians. All-round Euphie and Nozomu (only with Photon aura shield 2) can deal almost all of them. The only two that they can't kill in one battle are the white and green one.
The white one they need 2 battles for it, so you need a backup team.
For the green one you a team of Naaya, Nozomi/Salles, Jatzieta. Naaya and Jatzieta using their best attack focusing force damage, while Nozomi/Salles using their best defence skill with AOE. If their lvl are high enough they can beat it in one battle.

[DevilHighDxD]

Why does a VN need a battle system this confusing/complex/wordy? Meh... I guess it time to pull out the cheat engine.

[devilo96]

damn now i really confuse hope someone tell what is the difference between Eien no Aselia -The Spirit of Eternity Sword with Shinyaku Eien no Aselia -The Spirit of Eternity Sword-
someone said its just remaster for the 1st game but when i see the page (shinyaku)
Prequel
Seinarukana -The Spirit of Eternity Sword 2-
Description
A story that leads to third chapter of eternal divine sword. Summoning eternal divine sword, once more...
so which one is correct remaster from the 1st game or the sequel..

sorry for bad english

[Cosmic Eagle]

Shinyaku is the remake of Aselia according to Takase's new canon. It's supposed to open the way for the next instalment in the game series

[devilo96]

Shinyaku is the remake of Aselia according to Takase's new canon. It's supposed to open the way for the next instalment in the game series

so its just a remake from the 1st game....

[TwilightsCall]

From the art to the battle system to the change in story, its (imo at least) a pretty necessary remake lol.

I know I'm certainly looking forward to it almost as much as the third game.

[Cosmic Eagle]

so its just a remake from the 1st game....

The story is most likely quite altered

[bones]

The story is most likely quite altered

Does that mean they are throwing out the Aselia canon ending?

[PhoenixG]

I doubt that, since it's kinda connected to Euphie herself. Maybe some little changes, but the core stuff remains.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Does that mean they are throwing out the Aselia canon ending?

No....mainly history and setting related stuff





But in a story like this, it's a very significant thing

[devilo96]

my waiting list right now
seinarukana remake
Tsukihime remake
^the both remake make me cant wait for the realese date

[Cosmic Eagle]

my waiting list right now
seinarukana remake
Tsukihime remake
^the both remake make me cant wait for the realese date

The Half-Life 3 of eroge

[rd3123]

I could use a walkthrough from Chapter 5 on. I can not figure out the Google translated walkthrough and a bare bones one I found isn't helping either.

[PhoenixG]

I could use a walkthrough from Chapter 5 on. I can not figure out the Google translated walkthrough and a bare bones one I found isn't helping either.

This is aiming towards the SS rank

When I start this chapter, my units' lvl was around 11-12. So going through this part everyone around lvl 12-13 should be fine.

The teams; All round Nozomu and Euphoria is kinda a must. This is because they're the only one strong/safe/fast enough to kill the guardians/dragons (The green dragon is an exception).
The other teams can be any combination. Always go for balance teams in offense and defense. One good team would be like Katima, Salles and Cryst Wo.

As always when aiming for the SS rank build the sand of time in your starting town and after capturing a town a mana refinery (and start deleting refineries when you run out of mana to convert)

Have Euphoria or Nozomu take the right path while the rest take the left path. After the paths merge keep going till everyone gets teleport back. After you get teleport back you need make one team switch; team Jatzieta, Nozomi, Naya. This team will be responsible for killing the green dragon (Chapter 5.1, 5.2, 6.2). Sent one team to the right to kill the heart enemy team (The Katima, Salles, Wo team is quite good) While the rest go west and have team Jatzieta kill the green dragon. Also when you enter the next town on the left, you'll trigger an event and a battle with Shou. Euphoria or Nozomu can handle him.

From the SS rank skill bonus you get, I recommend to get Katima's skill. It's the first attacker skill that is aoe.


My recommend lvl of this one is only one level higher, but because of the very strict time to get the SS rank you should go without lvl up anyone. But if you really want to lvl up, focus on Euphoria and Nozomu. Since those dragons get 5 extra lvl, making some dragons can't be killed in one battle, so want to it to have as little hp as they can for the follow up team to finish it.

The teams can be the same a how you ended in the previous part. Still the must team is Jatzieta, Nozomi, Naya. AR Euphoria and AR Nozomu. And the recommend team Katima, Sallas, Cryst Wo.

At the start have Nozomu + one other team take the eastern route, while Euphoria and the rest take the northern route. As always let Nozomu or Euphoria take care of the dragons and team Jatzieta the green dragon. If Nozomu is two move away from the next town and the white dragon didn't move forward, wait a turn for him to move out. Since you can't kill it in one battle, you don't want the battle begin in a town. They will regen a bit back if they stay in the town, making it possible that you need three battles instead of two.
When both team meet at the town in the center sent Nozomu + one other team to the east while the rest take the northern route.
When Nozomu enters the next town, make sure that everything is healed up and all skill is maxed before heading to take down the two dragons. Also is really good if the other team take down the enemy team before the dragons, so that Nozomu start with everything maxed. After Nozomu take down the red dragon, don't attack the black one yet. Just camp before it, till the other group finish their clean up.
When the northern team reach the next team, only sent one team to the west (I recomend team Katima). When it defeat the enemy group 13, that team will be teleport to the bottom right, while it spawn two groups just outside the town where your rest of the team has camped. Have Euphoria and team Jatzieta going west and your third team go back east. Make sure that Euphoria soften the white dragon first before team Jatzieta to finish it. After the first white dragon is down go after team Katima and kill the last white dragon.

If everything goes well you should be able to finish this map just below 1099 IP. The limit to get SS rank.

For the last boss fight of this chapter, AR Nozomu is enough.

For the SS rank bonus skill is hard to recommend which one to take, since almost everyone get good skills. The one I don't recommend is Naya's, since she's isn't a material damage dealer. But if really need to recommend one, I will say Euphoria's since I'm biased towards her, because I'll AR her for the rest of the game and she needs better defense. Second good option is Jatzieta as we don't have many good attacker skills focusing force damage.

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

Prototype book and Song Collection 4 just came in! SC4 is the first true audio drama that tells individual stories for each main heroine. And the soundtrack is nearly all-around awesome. It has songs that seemingly emulated or was inspired by F/sn, Touhou (Bad Apple), Falcom Sound Team (Silver Will anyone?), and songs fitted for moege and nakige, which I thought missed than not.

Found a way, so scratch that. PM me if you want SC4's rips.

[devilo96]

Prototype book and Song Collection 4 just came in! SC4 is the first true audio drama that tells individual stories for each main heroine. And the soundtrack is nearly all-around awesome. It has songs that seemingly emulated or was inspired by F/sn, Touhou (Bad Apple), Falcom Sound Team (Silver Will anyone?), and songs fitted for moege and nakige, which I thought missed than not.

Found a way, so scratch that. PM me if you want SC4's rips.

check my Pm.... and thx

[Last Sinner]

Seinarukana has been listed on Steam for an October release on that platform.

[Von Himmel]

Oh god Rena and Lagrange(?) so cute :heh:

[PhoenixG]

huh, I'm seinarukana SE/Aselia Drama CD Eternal Sky Logus said that eternals doesn't need to eat. But here Euphie and Miyugi are starved to death.

And that Lagrange and her "talking" cake?!?! o_o

edit: ow, Temorin explained it later.

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

Oh god Rena and Lagrange(?) so cute :heh:
Rena is like the glue trying to hold everyone together. ^

huh, I'm seinarukana SE/Aselia Drama CD Eternal Sky Logus said that eternals doesn't need to eat. But here Euphie and Miyugi are starved to death.
I vaguely noticed that too. Eternals don't need to eat except out of pleasure. They should be able to sustain themselves entirely on mana. A lack of mana is something that could possibly emulate malnourished state, but starving from lack of food shouldn't be possible even if they are in a universe with little mana. Resting is fine, but sleep isn't required either. It's fine to excuse them of sleeping because it brings comfort to them, or to retain an aspect of their humanity (wouldn't apply to non-human Eternals), though.

That canon isn't something Takase should be messing with. Cosmic beings like Eternals just shouldn't need to eat or sleep for health reasons, it makes no sense otherwise. Someone should tweet him about that.

[PhoenixG]

Well Temu-sama explained it later in drama CD. Because of the universe they are present in supressed eternals power that much that they need sleep and food like normal person.

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

Io in Aselia could use mana for conventional purposes like cleaning her body, purify water, sustenance, etc and she isn't even an Eternal. Are you telling me powerful/skilled veteran Eternals can't do that?! The universe they are in even sounds comparable to Phantasmagoria.

[TwilightsCall]

I would suspect, seeing as how it was obviously something they didn't really have to worry about before, it was less a matter of 'unable' and more an issue of 'didn't know how.'

That being said, Io seems like a pretty huge exception to pretty much everything in Aselia, so I wouldn't be surprised if she was capable of some things even Eternals weren't able to do. Sure, some Eternals very likely can do similar things, but I see no reason to believe that all Eternals should be able to.

[shmaster]

Io in Aselia could use mana for conventional purposes like cleaning her body, purify water, sustenance, etc and she isn't even an Eternal. Are you telling me powerful/skilled veteran Eternals can't do that?! The universe they are in even sounds comparable to Phantasmagoria.

Worse, that world is designed to create misery and induce death to Eternals.

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

I would suspect, seeing as how it was obviously something they didn't really have to worry about before, it was less a matter of 'unable' and more an issue of 'didn't know how.'

That being said, Io seems like a pretty huge exception to pretty much everything in Aselia, so I wouldn't be surprised if she was capable of some things even Eternals weren't able to do. Sure, some Eternals very likely can do similar things, but I see no reason to believe that all Eternals should be able to.
Fair enough. I know that mastery over mana differs among mana beings, but it's just I'd like to think something like that would be basic ability to an Eternal.
Worse, that world is designed to create misery and induce death to Eternals.
Are you saying that in a joking sense? I mean, that world didn't seem to have noticeably negative impact on Spirits and Estrangers. Yuyu and Ajina were able to fight normally to Spirits like those in Phantasmagoria.

[shmaster]

And they are spirits. They don't use that much mana in the first place compare to the Eternals.
A heavy ban on mana would only be noticeable to those would use so many in the first place.

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

I thought you meant that the world was toxic through exposure to the atmosphere or something. But that doesn't seemed to be it. As long as they all don't over exert themselves then they should be fine.

[Mahou]

So after a two year "break" I decided to finally finish at least one route and have resumed my playthrough but decided to go for Katima's route. Heard her route-bound skills are quite powerful :D. Currently on Mission 8 and the enemies are a major pain >_<. The hill-side enemies murder AR-Euphy on their turn, yet the jp. walkthrough writers somehow managed to do it (while warning that these parts are tough, to be fair). Oh well, I'll remain patient and switch back to Aselia the Eternal for a "change" :heh:.

Otherwise the ride has been alright so far. There are a few annoying parts so far aka cheap drama with Babidi and Dabura the Administrators Etol and Edega or the scene with Evolia at the end of Chapter 6, the harem antics, or how the whole past life issue is only moving forward in snail speed until - I assume - Narukana joins after said Chapter 8. But nothing too extreme as to seriously "disturb" my motivation. Character interaction is generally fun as is the cast itself. The small scene changes to Yuuto and Aselia (+ Logis/Rogis?) are neat. Kaori without glasses was a nice surprise :).
What about Nozomu? Uhm, yeah... he's there. Combat-wise great, story and personality-wise average and nothing too special. I'm glad that I'm not a student at his school :p

[Last Sinner]

So after a two year "break" I decided to finally finish at least one route and have resumed my playthrough but decided to go for Katima's route. Heard her route-bound skills are quite powerful :D. Currently on Mission 8 and the enemies are a major pain >_<. The hill-side enemies murder AR-Euphy on their turn, yet the jp. walkthrough writers somehow managed to do it (while warning that these parts are tough, to be fair). Oh well, I'll remain patient and switch back to Aselia the Eternal for a "change" :heh:.

Try running a group of Katima/Nozomi/Naya on the main road and sending Euphoria and Zetsu to the west. The late spawn at the temple to the far east is very annoying and without Satsuki available, you will need a group utilising Thalia or Ruputna to take it out, as the group heal is far too strong to let through and will require a Blue silence at the ready at all times.

8-1 is probably the most difficult mission in the first playthrough and intentionally so. Because after you get Narukana, you get such a boost. 8-1 is about winning a war of attrition. Know how far you can push your frontliners and when you can afford to have them recover. You need to be efficient with Euphoria and Zetsu on the west side while have Katima/Nozomi/Naya utilise their power at hitting all slots. That trio also needs to be the one that pushes through the most as Final Velocity spamming is the only way you will reach the final point in time for SS rank.

[Mahou]

Finally managed to SS it while keeping everyone around level 21-22 with only Euhpy at 20 (she had to keep on standby near the target area) by the end :).
Euphoria, Nozomu as AR
Cryst Red, Nozomi, Katima -> Flame Shower and Katima's 400/400 hit-all attack
Jatzieta, Cryst Green, Zetsu -> Zetsu's 720/720 attack + Flame Shower
Ruptona, Subaru, Naya - For triggering the dialogue at the eastern shrine
Sorluska, Cryst White, Talia - For the finishing blow, artifiact building.
Everyone but the Final Velocity duo to the eastern part. Obviously, IP was used as much as possible to reach the level range. IP 1859
Credits: http://www.hazama78.net/narukana/chapter08.html

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

http://i.imgur.com/vKTL8vT.jpg
NANI?! (http://www.xuse.co.jp/product/055_aselia-pse/)

[Cosmic Eagle]

The real question....


Can it work on Win 7



coz screw 8 and 10....

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

It better. I also use Win 7 lol.

[shmaster]

NANI?! (http://www.xuse.co.jp/product/055_aselia-pse/)

I can't put it better.

It is really happening? IT IS REALLY HAPPENING!?

[Cosmic Eagle]

I can't put it better.

It is really happening? IT IS REALLY HAPPENING!?

After this one it seems

[Mahou]

Well, I'll wait first how the remake changes the battle system before deciding whether or not to bother again. Aselia had a few things I prefered more than in Seinarukana, but then again my preferences are rather boring :heh:

As for Seinarukana: Finally finished Katima's route. Okay-ish but I knew that the sub-heroine routes were shorter. The cast was enjoyable and I really liked Naya's voice and elderly? speech pattern :). The OST has some very nice tracks and the branch world journey was also neat.
The drama was cheap and mostly stupid. However, while I rolled my eyes at the drama after Evolia's defeat in Chapter 6, her farewell scene in Ch. 10 was for me touching *lol* (rather contradicting, right?). The whole attempt to reboot the southern<> northern god conflict felt lackluster as did the past life characters (Satsuki's). And let's not talk about Iyaga :rolleyes:. I'll wait for that until I'm done with Narukana's route at some time. I think I'll finish Aselia first to refresh my basic knowedge. I think the romance - for whatever it was worth - would have been more pleasant without the harem antics (coming from a die-hard sugary sweet romance fanboy). I was fine with Aselia the Eternal's approach, even though I'm aware that the circumstances are quite different.
I'm not sure whether I go for Nozomi/Satsuki's route first or jump straight to Narukana's but fortunately it's super easy to manipulate the usable mana + IT number with Cheat Engine :p. My first run was properly done.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Yeah....I am looking forward most to battle system and artwork changes

[PhoenixG]

Premium special edition? Looks like the special edition wasn't special enough :p

I really like the cover art.

[TwilightsCall]

I hope I can get the PSE without having to go to an actual store...far too lazy for this :/

I guess now I have a reason to hurry up and finish the other 4 routes in Seinarukana. Damn it feels so good to just have a date to look forward to, Christmas is going to be great this year xD

EDIT: As an aside, does anyone know what the random girl with a 20 on her face is supposed to mean/represent? lol

[Mahou]

I hope I can get the PSE without having to go to an actual store...far too lazy for this :/

I guess now I have a reason to hurry up and finish the other 4 routes in Seinarukana. Damn it feels so good to just have a date to look forward to, Christmas is going to be great this year xD

EDIT: As an aside, does anyone know what the random girl with a 20 on her face is supposed to mean/represent? lol

The girls with the 20 as "glasses" is a link to TGSmart (http://www.tgsmart.jp/top.aspx) (Tech Gian) which has apparently its 20th anniversary.

@Seinarukana: It feels good to cheese through the first chapters with level 30 charas in Normal :D. I've decided to first do Nozomi and as a (final) 3rd run Narukana on Hard.

And the final dungeon an Aselia the Eternal is a drag. Nothing is worse than the enemy (icons) not moving a single space while you trudge from dot to dot to dot.

[TwilightsCall]

I enjoyed that mission the first time. It felt like a boss rush, trying to find a way to face down all the Eternals where half of them seemed like almost impossible fights.

After the first time though...yeah, it gets a little...agonizing lol.

[Last Sinner]

The girls with the 20 as "glasses" is a link to TGSmart (http://www.tgsmart.jp/top.aspx) (Tech Gian) which has apparently its 20th anniversary.

@Seinarukana: It feels good to cheese through the first chapters with level 30 charas in Normal :D. I've decided to first do Nozomi and as a (final) 3rd run Narukana on Hard.

And the final dungeon an Aselia the Eternal is a drag. Nothing is worse than the enemy (icons) not moving a single space while you trudge from dot to dot to dot.


I strongly recommend you do a Satsuki playthrough before you do a Narukana run, especially if you plan to do it on higher difficulty.

[Mahou]

I strongly recommend you do a Satsuki playthrough before you do a Narukana run, especially if you plan to do it on higher difficulty.

Thanks, I'll include her somehow. I'm not really interested in doing Super Hard as I assume that the formerly obtained route-specific skills won't be automatically upgraded :heh:. Maybe two Hard playthroughs.

[Last Sinner]

:uhoh:Thanks, I'll include her somehow. I'm not really interested in doing Super Hard as I assume that the formerly obtained route-specific skills won't be automatically upgraded :heh:. Maybe two Hard playthroughs.

No worries. I recommend Satsuki because you will need her if you want to do the Narukana route. That's as much as I can say without spoiling it. Also, Satsuki's route moves are almost on par with Katima's. It's why Katima was #3 and Satsuki #4 on the power rankings behind Euphie and Narukana.

[PhoenixG]

Thanks, I'll include her somehow. I'm not really interested in doing Super Hard as I assume that the formerly obtained route-specific skills won't be automatically upgraded :heh:. Maybe two Hard playthroughs.

imo super hard mode is easier than hard, since hp isn't high enough to really feel the power of % based skills or your skills isn't strong enough to kill them due to the high hp. And most annoying part is Nozomu doesn't scale well in hard mode and almost useless in super hard until he gets immortal will. The fun part is Nozomi is exactly the opposite. In normal she has decent offensive and is great defensive. On hard/super hard her defensive stays great + her enormous HP and really great offensive due her % based skills. <3 shot breaker and buster typhoon.

Although the real challenge lies in the low usage count. But it can also be used as a strategy against bosses. One time I beat naru-Yaaga with Nozomu by withering her defense skills to 0, using dual edge 1.

[Mahou]

Well, the difference of the ultimate attack skills (in terms of the % value) between the difficulties doesn't seem to be as big as I feared. Katima from 10 to ultimately 18% is a bit unfortunate but to me as a layman bearable, in contrast to Naya where the jp. wiki states an increase from 10 to 25% :heh:
I'll wait and see. I have just cheesed through Normal past Nozomi's first h-scene so that my 3rd playthrough can be soon depening on my motivation.

[TwilightsCall]

Details for the Premium Special Edition are out:

http://www.xuse.co.jp/product/055_aselia-pse/


Quick rundown:

Item 1
-New Testament - Aselia the Eternal Setting Materials
-200 B5 pages
-Details the new setting for connecting to the third chapter in the series
-lots of illustrations

Item 2
-Drama CD detailing the story of Lia the Ultramarine
-58 Minutes

Item 3
-Aselia the Eternal Setting materials
-172 B5 pages
-The same as the book that was released in the Aselia Special Edition in 2010

Item 4
-Eien Shinken Vocal Collection
-11 Songs
-The same as the CD that was released in the Aselia Special Edition in 2010


As for the game itself, it lists Japanese Vista, 7, 8.1, and 10 as compatible, and will be touch screen compatible as well. Release date is December 22nd, and the price will be 9800 Yen before tax, and there will only be one run of the PSE.

Melonbooks is already taking preorders on their website for a whopping 300 yen price bump, how dare they!
(https://www.melonbooks.co.jp/detail/detail.php?product_id=184521&adult_view=1)

Also. it's listed on Melonbooks as 18+, which I think is a mistake. The Xuse page makes no mention either way, but the old website said it was All Ages, so....

[Cosmic Eagle]

Is there a difference between Japanese Windows and Windows elsewhere?


(assuming system locale and such are set to Japan)

[Mahou]

Is there a difference between Japanese Windows and Windows elsewhere?


(assuming system locale and such are set to Japan)

There may be differences. For example, there are VNs which require some sort of additional workaround even if you have changed every system setting to Japanese (as most VNs demand). I'm no IT expert or anything close, but I think the old Windows Language Packs had served that purpose because it changed also the icon names like My Computer, Recycle Bin etc to Japanese.

[TwilightsCall]

I know there was a difference for Windows XP since the original Seinarukana wouldn't work for me until I got a Japanese XP disc, but I'm preeetty sure that distinction stopped being a thing at Windows 7. Not 100% sure, but I guess we'll find out come December lol.

EDIT: Oh nevermind, it's actually cheaper through Melonbooks because their price includes tax. Of course it goes back up once you include shipping, but before that its about 400 yen cheaper. Sorry Melonbooks!

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

Buying for item #1 and #2.
>Melonbooks
It's my nemesis. We meet again.

[shmaster]

Cosmic, I lied.
The temptation is too strong, I have placed my pre-order now.

Buying for item #1 and #2.
>Melonbooks
It's my nemesis. We meet again.

Pre-order using credit card first. Melonbooks take foreign credit cards.

The have them ship to whatever proxy you use.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Euuurggh....


How much has it cost for you total?


I think I'll order it tonight

[TwilightsCall]

For me its easy because I live in Japan atm, so it totaled 10,700 yen.

I'd expect another 3000~4000 yen if you're using a shipping service to send it to North America. If you live closer than that it might be a bit cheaper.

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

Pre-order using credit card first. Melonbooks take foreign credit cards.

The have them ship to whatever proxy you use.
T-that's possible? I have to contact my main proxy (which doesn't accept MB) to see if they'll do that for me. At worst, I'll just have to open another proxy, although I really don't feel like making another deposit to open one.

[Cosmic Eagle]

T-that's possible? I have to contact my main proxy (which doesn't accept MB) to see if they'll do that for me. At worst, I'll just have to open another proxy, although I really don't feel like making another deposit to open one.

Very. It's how I buy from Melonbooks when outside Japan.


Have them drop off the items at your shipping proxy's address (Tenso in my case) and the proxy shld take over from there

[shmaster]

T-that's possible? I have to contact my main proxy (which doesn't accept MB) to see if they'll do that for me. At worst, I'll just have to open another proxy, although I really don't feel like making another deposit to open one.

Actual money deposit?
Then just use one that doesn't requires that.
I use Tenso too, they don't requires deposit for their service.

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

SMJ can't do it. Melonbooks have their place blacklisted.

Actual money deposit?
Then just use one that doesn't requires that.
I use Tenso too, they don't requires deposit for their service.
I guess. I'm asking Tenso and Big in Japan if they can order on my behalf. I hope one of them can >_>

I can always order from amazon.jp, which I seldom use, but their shipping prices are always high.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Tenso does NOT order for you AFAIK.


You place the order on Melonbooks and then put your Tenso address in the address space.




Also, didn't know that Melonbooks blacklisted SMJ.....Wow, I was even considering SMJ myself. Why, you know?

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

I figured, but I'm asking them anyways cause Melonbooks is more complicated with their drop down option, which auto-translate doesn't work on.

Coincidence, I guess? ^

[shmaster]

I figured, but I'm asking them anyways cause Melonbooks is more complicated with their drop down option, which auto-translate doesn't work on.

Coincidence, I guess? ^

Wait, I thought you can read Japanese. Why you would need auto-translate?
The address page should be simple enough that you can copy and paste things over.

And no, Tenso won't buy on your behalf, if you ask, they'll just refer you to their sister site: Buyee. Which buys on your behalf, but only the shops that's on their list, which does not include Melonbooks.

If you really need a proxy that buys on your behalf and don't give you much trouble, use Celga.
Celga buys from any shop as long as that shop is on-line, even those personal on-line shop of minor doujin circles. But they require you to pay full price in advance. But their service is very reliable.

[Cosmic Eagle]

One word though, Celga has good service but accordingly, the price can also become quite steep

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

Wait, I thought you can read Japanese. Why you would need auto-translate?
The address page should be simple enough that you can copy and paste things over.

And no, Tenso won't buy on your behalf, if you ask, they'll just refer you to their sister site: Buyee. Which buys on your behalf, but only the shops that's on their list, which does not include Melonbooks.

If you really need a proxy that buys on your behalf and don't give you much trouble, use Celga.
Celga buys from any shop as long as that shop is on-line, even those personal on-line shop of minor doujin circles. But they require you to pay full price in advance. But their service is very reliable.
o.O. I don't think I said I personally could Japanese before. I'm just good at using various machine TLs and have experience with translated text from machine. Although my sister is learning Japanese and she knows very basic stuff at the moment.

So, Tenso is out and so is their sister site then.

I checked out Celga and it looks like I'll use them. Thanks.

[Mahou]

Phew, finally done with Nozomi's, Satsuki's and Narukana's route. Trudging through the game 3 more times was tiresome in the long run and made me wish for a battle skip function :heh:, despite the battles ending faster with maxed characters.


Nozomi in bullet points as I've played her route first out of the three:
- Added letter conversations after her temporary "depature" were good. Should have been used during all routes after they were introduced once, but I can accept that it gave an exclusive flair to her route.
- Confession alright, but Nozomi's personal drama felt unnecessary
- Dialogue with Jirol better than Katima route.
- Zetsu-Nanashi scene was beautiful.
- Iyaga was lame with her OP situation and while the solution by Nozomu and Nozomi was cliche, it might have been as well their only way to beat her.
But, wow, that ending was terrible in its execution :heh:.

Satsuki:
Drama after returning from the log domain with losing taste, touch, feeling of temperature was strange-ish as never mentioned before. But as it seems to be connected to her route it was servicable. It felt like it dragged on after a while. Nozomi "beating" some common sense in Nozomu was definitely the highlight of her route for me *lol* as that had been causing some of the tedious feeling. Her and Nozomu becoming Null Eternals was fine enough and I actually liked the resolution how everyone could keep remembering them. Iyaga as the final enemy was tiresome. I've read on the jp. wikipedia that she's got more depth than the game showed and counts to the powerhouse members of the Law Eternals with her Rank 2 sword.

Narukana:
Narukana's change of attitude between haughty, depressed, deredere, honest and lonely were good and provided needed character depths. Her scene with Jirol was nice, but the latters suddenly-revealed purpose/dream of hardening Nozomu's mental prowress to resist the Null mana backlash was quite out of the blue. The party's confrontation with the Creator was kinda anti-climatic but Narukana roflstomping her was hilarious in a postive way.
Once again Iyaga was a complete :rolleyes:-moment. Narukana turning berserk and finally admitting Nozomu's and her own wish was probably the only redeeming moment here. Nozomi using the power of friendship with help of technology might be questionable (if only due to my half-@ssed comprehension of the jp. version) but I love her supporting function.

Last but not least: The transformation with Reme and Satsuki was ridiculous + out of place in terms of the comedy-way it was executed but probably better than Satsuki completely vanshing or something like that. Narukana disappearing and re-appearing was an "Okaaaay....?" moment. Her epilogue, or rather the last big scene was terribly bad.
Oh yeah, and the short notice of Euphy joining the Law Eternal was poor. I know it will be a (big) plot point of the next installment and gives her her own tragic fate, but come on a short bit of her thoughts wouldn't have hurt.

Overall: I think I still got my fair amount of entertainment, even though my nagging about the - for me - "negative" parts may not give off that impression; given that I don't consider myself as a huge lore enthusiast of the Eternal war.

[TwilightsCall]

Pre-order bonuses (or whatever you want to call them, not sure if it's restricted to pre-orders) have been announced. There's a set of 4 Tapestries, each provider giving one.

Sofmap > Aselia
Getchu > Esperia
Melonbooks > Orpha
Official site > Uruka

So if you haven't ordered anything yet, that might colour your decision as to who you buy it from.

[TwilightsCall]

And samples are up (http://www.xuse.co.jp/product/055_aselia-pse/#order).

[Cosmic Eagle]

Uruka's is nice

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

Well, that settles it. Now I have to get that Aselia tapestry. RIP my wallet.

[Mahou]

Uruka's looks the best for me :). Still not spending money on any preorder special edition thingy. If customs wouldn't be such a pain, I'd eventually wait for a normal edition.
And I still haven't found a job yet >_< -> no money for any entertainment goods

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

Xuse calendar for 2017. Deader wallet soon.
http://i.imgur.com/KfnOycC.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/tknZwNb.jpg
Makes me want a remastered version of Aselia 1 so bad.

[TwilightsCall]

Well well well, look what arrived today!


http://i.imgur.com/oviAr1ol.jpg


I would have actually got it yesterday, but I wasn't home to pick up the delivery.


And as luck would have it, my DVD drive can read the game disc fine, but doesn't recognize any of the other discs. Hurray.

Guess I'm waiting for a rip to listen to Lia's story >.>

[shmaster]

My copy arrived at my proxy.
But to save myself money, I have to combine it it with my other goods from rest of the month.
So I won't be getting it until January...

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

Mine won't come in any time soon, sadly. Celga is pretty slow, so I doubt I'll get the Two Princesses Song Collection 5 any time soon either.

Whoever gets theirs earlier should try to rip it! *cough*

[TwilightsCall]

I briefly considered how feasible it would be for me to take an external CD drive from work home and try with that, but then I remembered I won't be back at work until like January 10th anyways :/

At least I have lots of cool books I can read.

Also interestingly enough, it seems they've combined the original version of Aselia with Kono Daichi no Hate de, meaning they've got the added content of the PS2 release but still have the H Scenes from the original?

I haven't played the game yet to see if that's actually the case, but that's what the box is leading me to believe.

The box also mentions that the Spirit of Eternity Sword 3 is going to be all ages. Not sure why they felt the need to put that on the box, but uhhh...alright I guess lol.

[Cosmic Eagle]

What's wrong with your DVD drive?

[TwilightsCall]

I'm...not really sure. It can read the game disc fine, but when I put in the music discs it doesn't recognize there is anything there.

I've tried a couple fixes, like reinstalling the drivers and tweaking with the disc reading laser, but no dice. This is the first time I think I've actually tried to use the disc drive on this laptop, so I have no idea how long this has been going on for.

[Cosmic Eagle]

It's BD drive?

[TwilightsCall]

Nope, just a DVD-RW

[Cosmic Eagle]

Had similar problems before but I rectified it by switching to BD drive

[CapnBlaze]

:confused:
If you have problem with her "recovery" defensive skill, use Nozomi/Zeles' attack skills with penetrate. Because those abilities ignores the recovery part.

Also Nozomi is also one of the characters that gets better offensive wise in harder dificulties. Loves Shot breaker and Typhon Buster

Evolia's stardust reverse damage ability is making me a bit nuts. When I use Name Breaker and/or Immortal Will (both skills with penetrate) she still heals. It is driving me nuts. I get her to around 10k health, she whips out stardust and that's it - I'm toast.

I am hoping I will find something further in this thread to assist w beating her but I wanted to post because my experience is penetrate does NOT negate the health recovery part.

Incidentally any help in getting past this stage would be greatly appreciated.

[PhoenixG]

Yeah, this is the part where the game is inconsistent (there are more of those). About the part penetrate skills ignoring recovery skills only works if the skills with green background. Like Nozomi, Zeles, Narukana and the green crystal. Only their penetrate skills will ignore recovery. While Nozomu and Subaru not.

I don't know on which difficult you play, but on normal you can out damage the recovery. But on Hard/super hard not. You can use all round Nozomi with buster typhoon, best defense and earth prayer. Or keep using Nozomu, but when Evolia start using stardust swap to old outdated offensive skill, like dual edge 1 and keep hitting till stardust run out of charges. While keep healing yourself with Celestial ray

[CapnBlaze]

Yeah, this is the part where the game is inconsistent (there are more of those). About the part penetrate skills ignoring recovery skills only works if the skills with green background. Like Nozomi, Zeles, Narukana and the green crystal. Only their penetrate skills will ignore recovery. While Nozomu and Subaru not.

I don't know on which difficult you play, but on normal you can out damage the recovery. But on Hard/super hard not. You can use all round Nozomi with buster typhoon, best defense and earth prayer. Or keep using Nozomu, but when Evolia start using stardust swap to old outdated offensive skill, like dual edge 1 and keep hitting till stardust run out of charges. While keep healing yourself with Celestial ray

Thank you so much for replying. I had about given up on the game since I couldn't figure this out. I will give the green hero's a try. I already tried Nozumu but I run out of Celestial Ally long before she runs out of stardust. I am actually looking forward to his potential solution! I'll post again after I try it!

Update: Green penetrate does indeed stop the Stardust health gain! The slightly bad news was that the heroes still did no damage for reasons I don't understand as Stardust material/force protection was substantially lower that what being attacked with. I was however able to run Stardust to 0 uses and then beat her. At last!

Thanks again for the help!

[pheonix8421]

Guys, if I have some questions about the first game, Eien no Aselia, can I post it here or is there another thread for that?

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

Hmmm, go for it. ^

I might be able to answer if it's not about gameplay.

[pheonix8421]

Nevermind. Found an answer to my question already. Thanks for your time though.

[Last Sinner]

Apparently Seinarukana finally got a Steam release a couple of days ago. But I don't think JAST did a good job in letting people know...

[Dragon_Slayer_X]

For clarification, what are the differences outside the usual censoring/removal of erotic content?

[PhoenixG]

Looks like they use ps2 version instead the original pc version. Just skimmed through chapter 1 till the end of chapter 2.1. Some story battles are added and wasn't in the original/SE version. The CG when Nozomi's shinken awakens is there. It wasn't in the original one, but is in SE version.

Also I like how they sum up all the extra effect of a skill. Less cluster fuck as in the japanese version

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

I think you mean PSP version. ^ Odd though, shouldn't the SE version have the new scenes? It's supposed to have new scenes taken from the PSP that gets added onto the original while retaining uncensored elements/h-scenes.

>They used Holy Sword instead of Divine Sword for shinken
This irks me to no end.

[PhoenixG]

oh, might be the psp version. And yeah the SE has the new scenes. SE version is basically the original version + psp version + Eien no Aselia Drama CD -Eternal Sky- + seinarukana fandisc

I think they change the holy sword part. I keep reading as eternity sword.

[Aetherion]

Just finished the game and love it. Like the story, the heroines, the art.
Any recommendations for similar or better games?

[PhoenixG]

I can recomend Yumina the Ethereal. Combat system is a bit different, but there are some similiar things. Like the attack, defense, interrupt timing. There is also a bit dungeon crawling.
The first half of the story is comedy, while the mood turns half way the story.

[Von Himmel]

....Wait does that mean Seinarukana steam version has that bonus story/epilogue that the SE version has? :o I might need to get it again if that's the case.

Also I just tried Aselia special version and still in prologue now but uh, do they add anything new in it?

[PhoenixG]

nope it doesn't. Only an extra mission featuring Euphie about Evolia questioning Euphie's true potential

[Aetherion]

I can recomend Yumina the Ethereal. Combat system is a bit different, but there are some similiar things. Like the attack, defense, interrupt timing. There is also a bit dungeon crawling.
The first half of the story is comedy, while the mood turns half way the story.

Thanks, will definitely check that one out :)

[bones]

nope it doesn't. Only an extra mission featuring Euphie about Evolia questioning Euphie's true potential

The Narukana route epilogue has a different ending than the non-Steam one though.

[PhoenixG]

It's the same in the SE version, although lacking the ero scene in the original one.

[krati]

why are the swords in seinarukana so loyal to ther masters? isent it the instinct of the eien shinken to become one again? only rank 3 and higher can resist that instinct. in aselia the high rank ones (4 and 5) ware so bad that ther masters even hold killing intent to ther friends and wasent 1 of yuutos friend even turnt into a mindless killing machine? in seinarukana not 1 sword showd any sigh of crave for mana... why is that so?

[TwilightsCall]

It's been a while since I've read it, but if I recall correctly, the Shinjuu (or w/e they are called in English, I forget) act as a kind of suppressor.

Also as far as I can remember from Aselia, the only swords that really showed that kind of impulse were the 4 Etranger swords. Even when Aselia completely gave her will up to Existence, she never attacked any of the other Rakios spirits or Yuuto, so I figured it was a characteristic specific to Desire/Oath/Void/Karma.

Been a long time since I've read either of them though, so I could be remembering incorrectly.

[krati]

well i Thought that the shinjuu are the physically manifestation of the will of the sword...so i dont think they suppress anything. aselias existence was only a rank 7 so the impulse was weaker but the sword user in seinarukana ware all rank 6 3 of them even got rank 5...well even if they suppress the impulse there is none at all is still strange.
ahh there is another thing thats strange, about the "copy" world... thats the world yuuto was from so why can they use there eien shinken freely in that world? in aselia there was so low mana in that world that aselia almost died simple for being there for to long,
yuuto to was only able to use his sword for a limited time before it would lose all of its power so why was it different for nozomu and co.?

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

Phantasmagoria resides in a different Time Tree. So eien shinkens from that Time Tree operates a bit differently. But it's a general rule that eien shinkens try to force their will onto their wielders. However, eien shinkens that follow the path of chaos and form a contract of sorts to their wielders work together with them. Law Eternals are different from them in that they either have the same desire or are glad to follow the path towards making everything whole again so they allow their eien shinkens to make use of their bodies/wills.

Shugo Shinjuu is a rather unique trait that belongs to the Time Tree Et Ca Repha. The gods in Et Ca Repha are more or less a slave to their Orichalcum names and the endless reincarnation cycle since they are essentially wardens of the Time Tree prison. There's also a hidden function behind Orichalcum names and it's that they act as a safeguard limiter, more specifically from outside Eternals invading Et Ca Repha in that no one individual can be stronger than Et Ca Repha, the Eternal herself.

[Danny678]

I'm new to Aselia series. I would like to know what order of the entire franchise should I read/play to know the whole story.

[zerodragon]

question, i didn't realize that this has a English version, it was a game i follow a long time ago. i have a question, is the all of the original stuff here or has it been taken out?

[Cosmic Eagle]

It's been retcon-ed a whole lot until it's effectively another plotline altogether.... I don't see any game for the new canon yet. It's all guide books and drama CDs at the moment

[Cosmic Eagle]

https://twitter.com/ES03_Euphoria/status/878172217510567938


Yukyuu no Euphoria's release draws near it seems

[shmaster]

No, that's a commercial release of the foujin books and CDs.

[Cosmic Eagle]

No, that's a commercial release of the foujin books and CDs.

his commercial release involves re-releasing old stuff? One would have thought commercial release would at least include something complete like a game

[Von Himmel]

https://twitter.com/naofumi_takase/status/882699716068114432 guy is busy building his light pool instead of writing more aselia :<

...i didnt know he played gbf too. Honestly i read twitter everyday and today is the first time ive seen him post gbf stuffs lmao

[shmaster]

Takase has been playing GBF for a while now.
Why I was never surprised on how long things may took.

[Von Himmel]

https://twitter.com/ES03_Euphoria/status/884609335686385665 when's autumn in japan? :heh: looking at the cast it seems like it'll be a new drama cd story.

...hopefully the game can come soon too

[PhoenixG]

ugh, they really keep teasing us with drama cds

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

It's been too long since the last release, like over half a year already. So at least it's new content and story. I'm ecstatic either way!

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

http://i.imgur.com/y2hLsPA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/r5cT1MW.png
http://i.imgur.com/f4sSQfH.png

http://i.imgur.com/QJ5d3z2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/p4cuOU2.png
http://i.imgur.com/6wII2h5.png
I'm not fond of the tweaked armor and weapon designs, especially for Myugii. Hitomaru's original design is neater, elegant, and cuter. Although the hilt is too short, Euphie's blade is more fitting as it matches the concept of tuning. OTOH, Myugii's overall shinken is too big and unrefined than its original design :nod:

[Von Himmel]

So possible weapon design change because of story reasons? Myuugi wep looks fucking scary though..

[shmaster]

I do like Euphie's new design.
But Myugi on the other hand...

[Cosmic Eagle]

Dammit....Give me back my white Myuugi.....!!! (Hopes Shukumei Myuugi is still using that original design)


Myugii's overall shinken is too big and unrefined than its original design


Original Myuugi's Shinken was just a ring IIRC....which is the best design for its elegance of course




OTOH....Myuugi Phianan's CV seems super popular....Oh Love-Live idol, now wonder lol

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

So possible weapon design change because of story reasons? Myuugi wep looks fucking scary though..Their outfits went through a change too so I kinda doubt it. Even though Euphie's shinken can and has altered its form because it's still growing, Yuu-kun is supposed to resemble Aselia's shinken (long sword with a long hilt), but with two blades that can retract back to construct a blade of light that overlaps and fills the center. What she has now doesn't bear a resemble to that. Instead, it's much more like a tuning fork.

I do like Euphie's new design.
But Myugi on the other hand...
http://i.imgur.com/UlKQEQy.jpgEuphie's isn't too bad, but the poncho and overly long side bag hanging from her belt irks me as they are unnecessary and would have drawbacks in a battle. Just not sporty/adventurer and fantasy-like than her old one >_<

Mu-chan's wings, gauntlet, and shinken are now too bulky! Talk about dissonance and trying a bit too hard to make her look demonic or something.

Dammit....Give me back my white Myuugi.....!!!

Original Myuugi's Shinken was just a ring IIRC....which is the best design for its elegance of coursel
Give back? The original is still existing somewhere out there, isn't she? I'm sure she'll appear eventually.
http://i.imgur.com/gcI4MsO.jpgHmm, I don't know. I think Hitomaru got it perfect for Mu-chan at least. It's long and large, but it's not overbearingly big to be distracting. Plus, it's slender, elegant, deadly and moe with an ominous dark design. The gap moe is simply perfect here.

A ring is cool and very elegant, even majestic though. More so when considering the shape and use of a ring isn't that of a normal weapon, yet the power the original Myuugi has could be symbolize to the Ouroboros.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Oh...I thought you were talking about Shukumei when you said "old design." In that case, I don't really see a major difference between Phianan's earlier and current design lol. She's just gotten a severe case of uncontrolled wing growth but nothing much apart from that. And by "ring" I meant Shukumei itself. It's form is a ring IIRC....

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

Oh. Ah, but, it's not just the clustered growth of wings, but the bulky gauntlets with sharp edges and her shinken are pretty major differences imo. The hat is pretty different and it doesn't look cute like the old circularly uniform-shaped RPG battle healer-like crown. The new one looks too much like a protruding and over-sized nurse cap. ^

Its shape is stated to be a ring. I don't know what kind of ring though. A ring worn on a finger or a floating ring-like shape that watches over its wielder, I wonder?

[Cosmic Eagle]

I....thought it was nurse hat all this while....

[Zetsuen_no_Myuu]

http://i.imgur.com/LMYrx5I.jpgEr, well, it sorta is similar to a nurse cap, but the old hat goes all the way around like a crown, doesn't climb to stick upwards, and the front cap has two ends and whiten borders give it more style. The new hat is just NG!